/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6142839]

Let's settle this once and for all.

How did the Dreamcast compare to the PS2? Was it really that much weaker? Why do Dreamcast games look so much cleaner and nicer today than PS2 games in a lot of cases?

[Anonymous No.6142847]

>>6142839
Many PS2 games output exclusively in interlaced mode. De-interlacing is hard. Dreamcast can do 480p on most games. Progressive upscaled will always look better than interlaced to de-interlaced upscaled because of less image processing. If you bust out a CRT, they should look the same in interlaced mode.

[Anonymous No.6142880]

Because the dreamcast actually happens to have the best image quality of all the sixth gen despite releasing so early, while ps2 has the worst image quality of any console post nes yes even worse then n64. As well as having only like 20 games that do progressive scan and actually happens to look WORSE in 480p because developers would lower the color depth.

[Anonymous No.6142884]

>>6142839
There's nothing to debate. Dreamcast excelled at simple, colorful cartoon graphics and the PS2 was capable of greatness.

[Anonymous No.6142885]

The combination of vram too small to hold a 480p framebuffer + mipmapping broken + anti aliasing broken ( so instead developers would go batshit crazy with post processing or downsampling weirdness, meant the ps2 had terrible image quality

[Anonymous No.6142926]

I could see that Dreamcast had crisper image quality than PS2 at the time. It looked as crisp as a PC. Problem was that PS2 had the games. Timesplitters, Dynasty Warriors 2, Summoner, Twisted Metal Black,

[Anonymous No.6142934]

>>6142839
The PS2 destroyed the DC because it was one of the cheapest DVD players in 2000, and it had the support of EA and all their shit sports games. DC didn't have either.

[Anonymous No.6142935]

>>6142839
>>6142926
Legitimately the biggest mistake that Sega made with the Dreamcast was to not have a second analog stick. Even moreso, they had less buttons on the Dreamcast controller than on a Saturn controller. The best move would of course been to have those two buttons move to the shoulders (L2 and R2), and have a second analog stick. In that manner, it would have been equal to a PS2 controller, with the exception of analog clicks, which would have been nice too.

There was a ton of games that just weren't compatible with the Dreamcast due to the massive difference in input capability. By my count its 13 inputs for Dreamcast (including 2 variable triggers) versus 18 for the PS2 (including 2 variable triggers).

[Anonymous No.6142936]

>>6142934
Dreamcast had lots of sports games. EA didn't have a monopoly on those until the mid 2000s.

[Anonymous No.6142945]

>>6142884
>the PS2 was capable of greatness.
This sounds like a shill line.
PS2 had the worst graphics of 6th gen.

[Anonymous No.6142956]

>>6142945
>>the PS2 was capable of greatness.
>This sounds like a shill line.
Yep, this guy is totally a Sony shill, infiltrating our message board to try and convince us to spend money on a Sony product from.. 20 years ago.. Wait, that doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.6142964]

>>6142839
Maybe because it was because on how the marketing handles it. Not to mention the sales was stifled since the Sega Saturn didn't catch on due to conflicts at Sega's headquarters.

Personally, I never tried a Saturn, let alone the Dreamcast. An alternate universe version of myself may own a Dreamcast still, but even he knows that the console had such limitations like not doubling as a DVD player.

[Anonymous No.6142965]

>>6142956
I didn't say you were an actual paid shill, but you sounded like one.
"Greatness awaits" lol.

[Anonymous No.6142980]

>>6142965
>but you sounded like one.
You got me. I am on Sony's payroll. My nefarious plan to get you to buy a PS2 rather than a Dreamcast has failed. lol

[Anonymous No.6142982]

>>6142980
Jokes on you, I own a PS2, but not a DC anymore.

[Anonymous No.6142993]

>>6142982
There are too many twists here, I can't keep up.

[Anonymous No.6142996]

This is the game that made me realize ps2 was substantially more powerful

[Anonymous No.6143082]

>>6142935
Literally no one cared about double analog sticks. Only racing games used those.

[Anonymous No.6143098]

>>6142839
Not even the Sega sports edition can beat against 15 fifa and street fifa and fififafiarinos

[Circuit Shitty No.6143103]

>>6142885
So much this. For a very interesting experience play around with GS Mode Selecter for PS2 to pull back the curtain and see which games are actually polished and which ones are totally not.

[Anonymous No.6143109]

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[Anonymous No.6143110]

>>6142880
>yes even worse then n64
You're fucking joking. The N64 with it's 4kb of texture RAM and forced Vaseline filter over a 240p image? With it's composite/S-video output with absolutely no support for component? Don't be ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.6143126]

In the year 2000 the Dreamcast was a much better console than the PS2. PS2 didn't have any good games until 2001 and Dreamcast died early that year.

[Anonymous No.6143128]

>>6143110
Not hardware enforced at all and could be turned off by developers, except the scaling of 320x240 to 620x240 when in 240p mode. Arguably the screen filtering done in many ps2 game is much worse anyway because its all cheap software based solutions

[Anonymous No.6143148]

>>6143110
The difference between component and composite on ps2 is so small except maybe for 2d games

[Anonymous No.6143171]

>>6142885
>>6143103
Here is Midnight Club 3 running as-is on hardware.

[Anonymous No.6143176]

>>6142885
>>6143103
>>6143171
Here is Midnight Club 3 running on hardware after being unfucked in GSM Selector displaying 512x447 as designed.

[Anonymous No.6143182]

you can spaz about the technical stuff no one gives a crap about but at the end of the day the best console was the one that had the best games and that was the ps2

[Anonymous No.6143193]

>>6143182
All you ps2 zoomys do through is talk about multiplats

[Anonymous No.6143196]

>>6142926
Timesplitters is on xbox and summoner is on gamecube two cons with far better image quality

[Anonymous No.6143235]

>>6143176
the car is obviously the wrong proportions

[Anonymous No.6143254]

>>6142884
Based

[Anonymous No.6143256]

>>6143193
Amazing PS2 exclusives:
>all the SMT games
>Front Mission 4
>Final Fantasy XII
>really I could just list dozens of 10/10 JRPGs
>Haunting Ground
>We Love Katamari
>Ace Combat Zero
>Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution
>Ico
>Rygar

[Anonymous No.6143257]

>>6142839
games never mattered
DVD is why the PS2 won

[Anonymous No.6143258]

>>6142935
>Legitimately the biggest mistake that Sega made with the Dreamcast was to not have a second analog stick.


The dumb shit you read on this website...

[Anonymous No.6143280]

>>6143235
Yes, it's one of those games where the 3D and 2D are not displayed in the same aspect which is a problem but what can you do

[Anonymous No.6143281]

>>6142847
This. PS2 games look like a blurry mess because of the mandatory interlacing and even look like shit when emulated at a high resolution because of it.
DC doesn't have this problem, although PS2 games had fancier lighting and post processing, the games look much clearer and therefore nicer.
Thankfully there's some people making deinterlaced patches for some games like ace combat.

[Anonymous No.6143285]

>>6143258
Couldn't even play its own UT99 and Quake 3 properly lol, without using KB+M crutch of course.

[Anonymous No.6143312]

>>6142839
PS2 was the superior console and had more hype for its launch. DVD video also helped in sales. Dreamcast library is also not that good but that’s more of a personal opinion.

[Anonymous No.6143378]

>>6143196
The initial entries of both series are PS2 exclusives (except a shitty PC version of Summoner).

The timesplitters sequels are multiplatform and are better games, and the summoner sequel is on gamecube and is not as good a game. This is all well post-Dreamcast relevance, however, and not thread relevant. Timesplitters was the Goldeneye spiritual successor everyone wanted; it was a huge deal. Summoner is a personal favorite but not hugely popular game. It certainly was what I wanted at the time, though.

[Anonymous No.6143418]

I doubt the DC would have been able to move SH2 or MGS2 let alone FFX or SH3, the DC felt outdated very early in it’s lifetime.

[Anonymous No.6143539]

Look at DOA2 on both consoles. The PS2 is better at everything except textures.

[Anonymous No.6143595]

>>6142839
PS2 > DC

Dreamcast had the benefit of some inspired early titles that really used the hardware well while a lot of the PS2's early years stuff was technically sloppy, but the sheer variety of titles the PS2 had and its longevity gave it plenty of time to shine, the DC didn't have that length of intense development for it, the later PS2 would make the Dreamcast cry in despair and catch fire

The PS2's massive success also had a lot to do with its reputation for poor graphical quality, lots of shovelware, lots of yearly release crap, the titles people think of when they think PS2 (SH, Ace Combat, MGS, Ratchet and Clank, Jak, FF etc.) all mostly hold up

[Anonymous No.6143669]

stealth ps2/gen 6 thread

reported

[Anonymous No.6144035]

>>6142839
DC > PS2
There were a lot of good exclusives on the Dreamcast, plus some of the same games they have, it looks better on a Dreamcast than a PS2.

[Anonymous No.6144140]

>>6142839
>African American DC next to DC stand
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.6144251]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9qF14duAP8

[Anonymous No.6144506]

DC vs PS2 ?

Two words: Emotion Engine