OSSC Pro Revealed

[Anonymous No.6139782]

Is there anything significant that this adds over the OSSC? I have no idea what most of that stuff means desu.

https://www.retrorgb.com/ossc-pro-concept-revealed.html

[Anonymous No.6139785]

>>6139782
it has 17% more autism

[Anonymous No.6139795]

It's almost entirely marketing bunk and spurious claims

[Anonymous No.6139796]

>>6139782
It means it'll potentially be as good as the Framemeister, since they added a dedicated framebuffer, so it'll be able to do proper video processing - actual deinterlacing, screen rotation, and outputting an actual TV standard video signal (original OSSC does oddball timings that not all TVs support).

[Anonymous No.6139807]

>OSSC!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6139815]

Interesting news. The OSSC is about as good as you need at the moment for old consoles - a lot of "issues" people tout with interlace content is remedied by turning on alternating scanlines or getting a TV that can resync quick enough to 480i/240p, but "hq deinterlacing" will probably make some happy. Looks like it's gonna end up being an appealing option for a lot of people outside /vr/ if it ends up being able to do 1080px2 with HDMI input.

[Anonymous No.6140046]

>>6139782
It means you'll be able to pick up a lightly used OSSC for cheap very soon.

[Anonymous No.6140259]

>>6139782
>"DIY" project
>use tiny smd components
Also note that the board design hasn't even started yet, it will take them months or maybe even years to have something functional

[Anonymous No.6140347]

>>6139807
>POOR!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6140369]

>>6139782
Its a true framemeister replacement with buffering options with the possibility of later add-ons like USB controller inputs to convert the OSSC into a MISTer-type FPGA gaming system.

[Anonymous No.6140370]

>>6140259
According to the thread on the shmups forum there is already a working prototype. They're currently still working on case design and software.

[Anonymous No.6140383]

>>6139815
The problem you are trying to say is so easily fixed is with the original OSSC input buffer and isn't an easy fix at all.

[Anonymous No.6140405]

>>6139782
Why the fuck can’t these retards get the component input colors in correct order?

[Anonymous No.6140419]

>>6139815
>a lot of "issues" people tout with interlace content is remedied by turning on alternating scanlines or getting a TV that can resync quick enough to 480i/240p, but

Alternating scanlines only make interlaced content slightly less vibrating and reduces overall brightness (going from memory here). It still makes toast out of your eyes in half hour, especially with a telly that's big or has good brightness. I use high tier plasma and interlaced stuff on the OSSC is actually painful to my eyes. Alternating scanlines just means that I can take it for 60 minutes instead of 30.

[Anonymous No.6140421]

>>6140370
>case design

fucking yes please, the OSSC I have is so fucking dusty due to the fact that it comes with no case, just a couple of top/bottom covers.

[Anonymous No.6140423]

>>6139815
>if it ends up being able to do 1080px2 with HDMI input.
It can't. It's still using the same 165 MHz HDMI transmitter. 4K stuff is still prohibitively expensive for hobbyists.

[Anonymous No.6140425]

>>6140419
>has never used a CRT in his life
Run along, zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6140432]

>>6140405
It supports RGsB too, you know. Though it may just be down to availability. Decent quality PCB mount RCA jacks in the G-B-R order are weirdly hard to source these days.

[Anonymous No.6140437]

>>6139782
retrorgb stop reading right there!
he and his circlejerk pals are the most biased bunch on the retro communitty

[Anonymous No.6140457]

>>6140437
Any specific examples?

[Anonymous No.6140528]

>>6140425
I have a CRT still, but don't use it because it has a smaller screen, takes more real estate, and I can't tune the signal to make it centered (last time I checked the schematics, you need to adjust them on the controller panel manually and I'm not going to bother disassembling a fucking CRT).

CRT TVs have a high phosphor afterglow which lessens the effect of deinterlacing, and the screen is smaller too. With digital panels you see every single line blinking at you, on a 42" screen.

[Anonymous No.6140529]

>>6140457
Not the specific example you are looking for, (I'm not the guy you quoted), but he is SELLING the OSSC so by definition he would be biased about any news concerning it.

[Anonymous No.6140542]

>Still no RS-232 for real-time config over serial
At least the form factor looks slightly better with only the SCART cable coming out the side.
This guy still needs to decide if he wants this to be a part of peoples media systems or a box that sits behind the TV, cause the current OSSC is fit for neither.

[Anonymous No.6140546]

>>6140529
RetroRGB is? Where?

[Anonymous No.6140553]

>>6139782
It has screen rotation, so it'll be a lot easier to set up tate games (games that use a vertically aligned screen.)

The FPGA support sounds kind of interesting, but I can't imagine it will be as good as the already well established Mister, frankly I'd rather have a separate dedicated unit for that anyway.

The big plus, in my mind, is that the current ossc's in the wild will become a lot cheaper, so the entry level point for rgb on a retro console will become quite reasonable (I've had friends who want to get into this stuff, but the price point has been prohibitive to that end.)

[Anonymous No.6140556]

>>6139782
>FPGA

[Anonymous No.6140559]

>>6140457
Just look at the commercials Bob makes for those rad2x cables on YouTube for his friends

[Anonymous No.6140568]

>>6140559
And? He shills good products and shits on bad ones, but that's not really "bias" unless you can name an alternative to the RAD2X cables that perform just as well that he snubs. And no, the Hyperkin/LevelHike/Pound trash doesn't qualify.

[Anonymous No.6140618]

>>6140528

I play a lot of PS2 on my CRT and particularly on earlier titles, that 480i be strobin and shimmering like a disco ball. If you want to say that 480i is a crappy video mode there's an argument to be made, but the ossc doesn't do anything to exacerbate the problem in my experience, particularly once you dial in the settings

[Anonymous No.6140652]

>>6139782
>HQ deinterlacing
As long as it can do quick 480i/240p transitions like the RAD2X I'm getting one, that thing is just too useful. and not just for /vr/ related stuff.

[Anonymous No.6140657]

>>6139782
Just use a goddamn CRT.

[Anonymous No.6140660]

>>6140657
No.

[Anonymous No.6140682]

>>6139785
only 17%?

[Anonymous No.6140697]

>>6140652

It's crazy how nobody seems to understand this is a TV dependent issue despite it being clarified on this board many times

[Anonymous No.6140712]

>>6140697
Is that right?
Not him, and pardon my ignorance- I've not really investigated the OSSC, but I'm aware that the framemeister at least has its issue with transitions (taking several seconds to display a picture anytime there's a swap). Does the OSSC have weird timings or something that confuses some TVs?

[Anonymous No.6140714]

>Pro, still can't take non rgb/component inputs.
The one chance they get and they still can't put in composite support.

[Anonymous No.6140737]

>>6140712
This is even an issue on some PC CRT monitors.
A really high-end PC CRT should always check the resolution before they output so as not to over-drive the CRT which absolutely will lead to permanent damage on the screen. Absolute shit-tier monitors might not do this cause it cost extra to implement. And many TVs don't do this not only because of cost but because you're less likely to input something retarded into it.
Ever put in a shitty signal without proper syncing into a CRT and seen parts of the signal but it keeps scrolling in weird ways and stuff? That's no good.
With LCD the whole damn thing is digital and relies on knowing what is input so it can output the right thing. LCD is always driven at the native res. Thus the need for a resolution change. Some LCD do this quick, some slow. I mean, on a CRT the wrong resolution will just look fucked up or will give you an error.
If you've got a nice CRT you can sometimes hear relays clicking on resolution change as it basically reboots the entire thing to prevent damage to the tube.
TL;DR Shit's complicated yo

[Anonymous No.6140740]

>>6140737
Wait, so why were video games allowed to swap between 240p/480i if it was going to cause this kind of issue?

[Anonymous No.6140747]

>>6140740
Cause it works on cheap TVs.
The problem with allowing such fast resolution switching on a CRT is not the switching itself, but the fact that even a single quick switch to something completely off-the-spec could destroy the gun which drives the tube itself.
As long as the resolutions themselves are good and can be displayed, there shouldn't be issues.
That's why PC CRT tend to have more protection, because some programs don't wanna behave, and perhaps even someone might make a malicious program that kills your display.

[Anonymous No.6140786]

>>6140697
If it's TV dependent why does the RAD2X not present the issue on the same TV,
That seems to me like you can make that not an issue regardless of how the TV handles it.

[Anonymous No.6140795]

>>6140786
You'd need the scaler to have a constant output at the same resolution and frequency to have the TV not notice. And unless you get really lucky with the input device and it's something that when linedoubled 240p and 480i-deinterlaced has the exact same output res, then you need a framebuffer like an XRGB. Oh and it needs to happen fast enough to not lose signal in the first place.
And with a framebuffer device like an XRGB, you need the device itself to handle the res switching fast enough, but it does solve the constant output ofc.

[Anonymous No.6140802]

>>6140795
Well hopefully the new OSSC does all those things and isn't much pricier than a framemeister,
Really fucking sucks needing 3 different things to handle everything well.

[Anonymous No.6140920]

>>6140457
search for retrorgb and badassconsoles (badassconsoles is a scammer) retrorgb deletes any comment about it, and promote badass, even after all the scandal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmiDv-y91d4&t=1h15m37s

the guy is a hypocrite example mikechi device is clone by a chinese company, gets mad and jump in with voultar
Buuuuttt deunan device gets clone and HE DESERVED AND praise the chinese for doing it!
EVERYONE THAT REMINDS HIM the hypocrisy of his words is a troll!

[Anonymous No.6140938]

>>6140457
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[Anonymous No.6140951]

>>6140568
like this one?
the guy likes to promote his friends hackjobs but trash official parts, because they are to expensive!
really take off the blindfold, retrorgb is biased!

[Anonymous No.6140953]

>>6140618
The OSSC is meant for digital panels and its 480i mode makes it look worse than how it looks like on the TVs, which all do some basic deinterlacing (even if it's a mode not meant for videogames). That's the issue. It makes 240p better but it makes 480i looks worse.

>>6140652
I found that the OSSC can transition as fast as the TV can but only after some tweaking. In the default config, it's slower. You need to disable all the HDMI extra information for it to be as fast as possible. There's like 3 or 4 settings scattered across the config.

OSSC is nice if you like tinkering but you can't get the best performance out of it just by plugging it in.

[Anonymous No.6140958]

>>6140920
I noticed that on almost every video he cries about trolls and being trolled, wonder if he tried not being such an unlikable cunt

[Anonymous No.6140962]

>>6140920
Bob probably shouldn't promote China GDEmu, and is a baby about how people talk to him on twitter, but there's a big difference between Mike Chi who makes a readily available product and Deunan that keeps stock low to a point of encouraging scalping and refuses anyone help with production of any products. He isn't losing any money from clones, sells out every single time instantly.
If he were running a business then sure it would be bad but he constantly says he does this as a hobby, and that these are just toys. If he doesn't truly care about increasing production and making more money off of the work then why care about clones?

[Anonymous No.6140969]

>>6140962
Deunan produces each board by hand iirc, which is why he is always on low stock.

[Anonymous No.6141008]

>>6140938
Your attempt at a link(?) didn't work but I'm assuming that's a repro. Not what the guy asked.

>>6140951
That's an RGB cable. Do you even know what the RAD2X cables do? That's not an alternative.

[Anonymous No.6141027]

>>6141008
gbatemp.net/review/retrotink-2x.1050/

[Anonymous No.6141030]

>>6141027
What does that have to do with anything? RetroRGB shills those too.

[Anonymous No.6141036]

>>6140953
>That's the issue. It makes 240p better but it makes 480i looks worse.
So use the passthrough mode, then. That's what it's there for.

[Anonymous No.6141060]

>>6140714
>2×20 pin GPIO connector for future expansion possibilities such as:
>* composite & s-video input module

Looks like composite and s-video will be available in the future

[Anonymous No.6141069]

>>6139782
>still doesnt make light guns work on HDTVs
pass

[Anonymous No.6141120]

>>6141060
Weren't they making some sort of external addon box for the OSSC just for that? Looked almost exactly the same as the OSSC but with composite and svideo in and vga out.

[Anonymous No.6141171]

Figures that I finally buy a OSSC and they announce a new version. On the other hand, the OSSC has been out for a few years and has evolved into a fairly polished (although geared more towards the twinker hobbyist) product, to go any further with any improvements or new features a successor with different hardware is kinda necessary, so the timing makes sense.

I understand the original OSSC uses a FGPA, albeit a much simpler one. From the sound of it they are going with a much more powerful fgpa on the upgrade, which will allows for alot more possibilities.

On the shmups thread they explain that there will be an expansion board that allows other inputs such as s-video and composite. If they're considering designing a real case this time, I am not sure how that is going to work with the form factor?

I like that there are RCA inputs for stereo next to the inputs for component. On the current OSSC I got a simple stereo RCA to 3.5 mm cable to plug into the side, it's awkward and looks ridiculous. I like that most of the inputs are on that back, like a more professional device. SCART still on the side, but eh, what can you do.

[Anonymous No.6141180]

>>6141120
It was component out, and we've heard nothing about it since the initial announcement.

[Anonymous No.6141330]

>>6139782
tybmarqs

[Anonymous No.6141335]

>>6141180
>and we've heard nothing about it since the initial announcement.

https://www.retrorgb.com/koryuu-production-has-started.html
nov '19

[Anonymous No.6141354]

>>6140657
But this let me use my new consoles on my crt

[Anonymous No.6141427]

>>6141171
>I like that there are RCA inputs for stereo
You'd think people who are autistic enough to complain about lag on other scalers and use OSSC because of that, would also give at least the slightest of a shit about audio quality.
On what fucking planet is it a good idea to do Digital to Analog to Digital to Analog (and if you're running through a modern receiver add one more D-to-A)?

[Anonymous No.6141509]

>>6141427
This reminds me, one of the new features on the OSSC pro that jumped out at me is the optical toslink input. There are only a handful of systems or configurations where this will be applicable that I can think of, but very nice to have. There are Toslink mods for SNES, PSX, Saturn. The PS2 has optical out.

[Anonymous No.6141513]

>>6141509
When you can get digital audio from your console, keep the audio in the digital realm from beginning to end.

[Anonymous No.6141514]

>>6140660
Retarded faggot.

[Anonymous No.6141523]

>>6141509
>PSX Toslink mod
Was considering doing this to practice fine soldering.
Someone please explain to me why the fuck some people use a PCB with ICs to re-create the digital signal from the ones used by the built-in DAC instead of just tapping into the un-used signal the PSX already sends? I've got a 5500-series so as far as I understand, it's just one wire to the TOSLINK jack plus +5v and gnd to jack and +5v to chip to enable.

[Anonymous No.6141548]

>>6140369
Wow this is the future that will kill collectorcucks! A MiSTER and an OSSC in one solution and will work in 8k TVs.

[Anonymous No.6141557]

Ree

[Anonymous No.6141619]

>>6141523
>someone please explain
Nothing about what you're doing is practical or sensible. No one on planet earth can tell the difference between a stock ps1 and one where you have recreated the digital signal through a hard mod or a toslink mod. You people do this shit because its a hobby not because of the results, the practicality, or the application for playing video games. Directly questioning why one autist does X mod to his fucking ps1 instead of Y mod makes me think you have no concept of how inane and substanceless your interests actually are.

[Anonymous No.6141631]

>>6141619
I ain't questioning why anyone would actually TOSLINK mod their PS1 when the PS2 exists. I wanna do that as a soldering learning experience and for fun.
I'm just wondering about the extra chips and shit. People be buying like a 100 bucks worth of PCB and IC from some guy online instead of just directly wiring it. Why even engineer such chip solutions when the direct wiring schematics I find are from the 90's, long before this complicated fuckery?
Someone knows something I don't. And I dunno if it's actual audio engineering or if they're just a better scammer than I am.

[Anonymous No.6141649]

The main problem with shit like this is still the screens themselves. Every flat panel I've ever seen looks good until things start moving.

[Anonymous No.6141667]

>>6141060
Nice, I just want it to work with whatever I throw at it without having to use a retrotink with it.

[Anonymous No.6141674]

>>6140969
Might as well outsource it, not like the chinks don't make them already.

[Anonymous No.6141680]

>>6141649
I've only really noticed it being a problem with IPS. Try a good TN panel or OLED instead. Still not perfect, but good enough IMO.

[Anonymous No.6141740]

>>6141523
>>6141631
I am not sure if this is the best place to get a straight answer to your question. On one hand, you never know, sometimes really knowledgeable people show up here from time to time, but imho that's not something you can safely bet on. If you are really curious, off the top of my head, I think Dan Kunz/@citrus3000psi is the guy who came up with this mod? And there is firebrandx. These people are not hard to contact and talk to, if you're interested.

Speaking of crazy autists modders, again that firebrandx guy.

>>6141619
>Nothing about what you're doing is practical or sensible. No one on planet earth can tell the difference between a stock ps1 and one where you have recreated the digital signal through a hard mod or a toslink mod.
From http://www.firebrandx.com/psxdigitalaudio.html:

>Is It Worth Doing?
>In a word: Absolutely! This is of course provided you have a means of receiving digital audio with your amplifier or capture device. Digital audio will almost always sound considerably more clean and devoid of background noise compared to analog audio. The Playstation is no different, and in fact sounds exceptional when transmitting digital audio from your games on the system.
>sounds exceptional
\_(ツ)_/

I'm not a crazy autist but I run a toslink from my TV to a headphone amp and will often watch movies, tv and play games with a decent set of headphones. Sounds better than the speakers in my cheap tv and good for late night sessions and not worrying about bothering people I live with.

[Anonymous No.6141763]

>>6141680
OLED only comes in giant ass $1,500 TV sizes or cell phone screens.

[Anonymous No.6141784]

>>6141763
People are paying that for tiny 20 year old PVMs these days.

[Anonymous No.6141815]

>>6141784
When I have looked into prices and availability of PVMs, not only can they be really expensive, but around 20 inches seems to be the most common size. Way too small. Then the opposite problem OLED, if you want that technology, you're looking at least 50 inches? For old games, I want large but not ridiculously large.

[Anonymous No.6141819]

>>6141784
I have a mid 2000s samsung flatscreen SD CRT-TV. Accepts component video and is absolutely great for playing everything up to and including PS2. I understand that it won't last forever, which is why I still follow technology like this.

[Anonymous No.6141826]

>>6141815
I dunno, as a kid I always dreamed of sneaking into a movie theater at night and hooking my NES up to a giant projector. (Of course, film projectors don't work that way, but I didn't know that back then.) Bigger has always been better as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous No.6141865]

>>6141826
For 2d pixel graphics, such as NES, Genesis, SNES, if you like that retro pixel look, they upscale very nicely and I am right there with you. But when you start moving on to Saturn and PS1 low-res 3d graphics, maybe even PS2 and Gamecube, well... you're not doing yourself or the games any favors by blowing them up on a huge screen, imho. I think a more modestly sized screen is a better solution.

[Anonymous No.6141873]

>>6139785
Best commentary.
Pd framemeister rules

[Anonymous No.6141874]

>>6141865
PS2 needs to be viewed in standard definition just as much as the PS1. It leans almost entirely on the natural softness of the CRT for anti-aliasing.

[Anonymous No.6141883]

>>6141523
>Someone please explain to me why the fuck some people use a PCB with ICs to re-create the digital signal from the ones used by the built-in DAC instead of just tapping into the un-used signal the PSX already sends?

The PSX, Saturn, etc, output a digital signal. This is not a TOSLINK signal however: it's merely a serial output plus a clock signal plus something else I forgot. You need the extra IC to convert this signal to TOSLINK. The mini PCB is just to make it easier to solder since said extra IC has 20+ legs as it is basically a modern DAC with toslink capability.

I dunno if the PSX has a toslink pin on its own dac however, but if you give me a part number I can look it up. I imagine people wouldn't be adding extra ICs if you could just use a signal from the console itself.

[Anonymous No.6141886]

>>6141883
>The PSX, Saturn, etc, output a digital signal.

Clarification: the sound chips in them output a digital signal, which is then fed to a DAC that converts it to analog, which is then hooked up to the A/V connector.

[Anonymous No.6141904]

>>6141883
>>6141886
Sometimes this kind of talk goes over my head, but I get the gist of this, makes sense that the audio data being sent around internally is not natively compatible with something like the toslink format unless some form of conversion is done.

[Anonymous No.6142331]

>>6141883
http://park8.wakwak.com/~hilo/audio/digiout/digitaloutmod.html
The chip my PSX has is CXD2545Q, and there's forum posts of some guy adding an SPDIF RCA jack just by adding some passive components on the way.
Could probably check the schematics for some Sony CD players that already have digital out for more info I suppose.

[Anonymous No.6142334]

>>6142331
Worth noting that the FireBrandX mod doesn't use this signal. It uses the signal that's sent to the internal DAC instead.

[Anonymous No.6142370]

>>6142331
Well if you have that then just check the schematics and the recommended wiring for TOSLINK output, and you are golden.

The reason people still recommend the extra IC and PCB is, presumably, the fact that NOT ALL machines have a native toslink output pin. So using the extra chip they can do a kit that works on all types of consoles as well as multiple different consoles.

[Anonymous No.6142379]

If I had the room, sure, but I don't.

[Anonymous No.6142382]

>>6142331
>>6142370
I just checked the schematics for that chip you mentioned, and it looks like an all-in-one cd servo / pickup controller, not a DAC. If you tap into the TOSLINK output of that chip, all you'll get is CD Audio, if it even works. You won't get the actual PSX audio output from it, and most games don't even output CD audio, only some of the early ones, so most games will just give you silence.

You'd need to have toslink output on the final DAC chip, but as far as I know, those do not have it. Hence the extra IC and PCB.

I suppose accessing the cd controller for TOSLINK is useful if you are one of those hipsters who convert playstations into wooden frame CD players and shit like that.

[Anonymous No.6142436]

>>6140556
Fuck off wojak-kun, this is the actual purpose of that technology, and it's not replacing a real console.
In before he argues that it emulates an OSSC and is therefore emulation.

[Anonymous No.6142437]

>>6142436
But it DOES emulate the OSSC and that DOES make it emulation.

Therefore, this shit is the same as (((Analogue's)) product. PURCHASE ITEM BUGMAN.

[Anonymous No.6142439]

>>6142437
What does the FPGA in the original OSSC emulate?

[Anonymous No.6142440]

>>6142437
Only retards try and claim any of this is emulation. No one falls for this except retards who then post it as if they are trying to "teach" others their knowledge.

[Anonymous No.6144008]

>>6142440
Only retards seethe every time they read emulation bait