Why is this computer so popular and beloved? It doesn't even have a single great game to its name.

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Anonymous Fri Jan 17 17:40:15 2020 No.6139572 [Reply] [Original]

Why is this computer so popular and beloved? It doesn't even have a single great game to its name.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 21:18:24 2020 No.6139981 >>6139572 >Why is this underageposting so popular and beloved? It doesn't even have a single great shitpost to its name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 05:42:59 2020 No.6140624 >>6139981 >why is this boomer's dull pedantic reply reposted so much? It's like he thinks he is some character on this board which sets the standards for discussion

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 09:30:48 2020 No.6140778 >>6140624 >why is this zoomer so butthurt nozone liked and upvoted it's post

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 13:59:25 2020 No.6141116 >>6139572 What is Cauldron II: The Pumpkin Strikes Back ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 15:03:18 2020 No.6141212 >google 100 top commodore64 games >literally 100 great games /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 18:43:52 2020 No.6141705 File: 26 KB, 311x311, you-must-be-new-here.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6141212 >telling zoomlets to google

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 18:45:28 2020 No.6141706 >>6139572 It had character display built in with two colors very nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 18:47:14 2020 No.6141710 >>6140778 >why did this boomer upvote my post ironically

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 18:47:22 2020 No.6141712 >>6141116 that's a good question, what is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 18:53:09 2020 No.6141729 File: 102 KB, 900x900, Norf FC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6139572 Luv me Commodore 64 'ate zoomers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:01:00 2020 No.6141738 >>6141729 Luv' me monster energy 'ate me exercise simpl' as innit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:06:01 2020 No.6141746 File: 51 KB, 256x256, Baz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6141738 luv me psygnosis luv me thing on a spring luv me metal warrior luv me cassettes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:12:23 2020 No.6141757 >>6141746 Luv me 8 bits 'ate me 32 bits

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:14:15 2020 No.6141758 >>6141757 Simple as

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 21:03:49 2020 No.6141928 >>6141710 >why did this zoomer not even know how zoomer shit works? >unironical cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 21:08:31 2020 No.6141939 >>6141928 >why are we still doing this its been days

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 04:45:34 2020 No.6142462 >>6141212 There's tons of decent C64 games but no obvious classic that can stand up to console titles, nothing that you'd get the system just to play. At least Atari 8 bit had Star Raiders.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 05:06:21 2020 No.6142478 >>6139572 >sopwith

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 08:34:08 2020 No.6142650 >>6139572 /Vr/ ..aka the "Let's just shit on anything that isn't a PlayStation, SNES or NES" board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 08:45:19 2020 No.6142658 >>6142462 I always really enjoyed International Karate and IK+

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 08:49:56 2020 No.6142660 >>6142462 What console titles? You mean Space Invaders on 2600?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 09:02:25 2020 No.6142675 It's most popular game is a Super Mario clone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 09:16:54 2020 No.6142682 >>6142675 Giana is vastly superior to Mario

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 11:01:56 2020 No.6142803 >>6142682 No. Also I just know you’re a europoor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 12:46:37 2020 No.6142940 Giana Sisters is very much less of a game than Mario. A lot less content, shorter levels, simpler physics, slower enemies and there's never more than one on screen at once, etc.

Anonymous Sun Jan 19 13:22:22 2020 No.6142997

>>6142940
Lot of C64 games are like this, just kind of feel like tech demos. Like the sort of games people only played because there was nothing else to do, and they derived fun as a result of that. I don't know, C64 stuff tends to bore me unless it's a cool demo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 13:33:39 2020 No.6143028 >>6142682 Not even close, the physics are rigid and the level design is repetitive and claustrophobic.

Anonymous Sun Jan 19 13:42:23 2020 No.6143047

>>6142997
SMB is running on a machine with a 75% faster CPU than the C64 has and it required some extreme compression tricks to fit into 40k of ROM. The guy who did that port for the C64 said the overall biggest technical hurdle to overcome was the CPU speed. The Famicom is not only faster, but you don't lose clock cycles from having memory-mapped video RAM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 13:43:28 2020 No.6143052 >>6142997 This is really more of a problem with European games than US ones, especially European games made after 86.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 14:35:50 2020 No.6143150 >>6143052 The trouble is all the US C64 games are multiplatform and not worth buying a C64 for. How many fucking platforms was Karateka and Lode Runner and Prince of Persia released on?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 14:42:32 2020 No.6143172 >>6143150 Big deal, 90% of European games are cross-platform on the C64, Amstrad, Spectrum, Amiga, and Atari ST.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 14:48:48 2020 No.6143190 >>6143172 I see, so the Commodore has NOTHING going for it then.

Anonymous Sun Jan 19 14:59:30 2020 No.6143220

>>6143190
>>6143172
>>6143150
C64 often had the best port of stuff. For example Cinemaware games are programmed better on there than any other platform they're on and most Epyx titles were primarily C64-centered. The games he's listing though are all Broderbund titles that originated on the Apple II. While many game developers in the 1984-88 period were C64-focused, Broderbund developed primarily around the Apple II since they had a heavy investment in educational software.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:01:32 2020 No.6143224 but then what do the Speccy, Amiga, etc have going for them if they have almost no exclusives?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:18:45 2020 No.6143261 File: 33 KB, 680x325, Poofs get out.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6143190

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:19:50 2020 No.6143265 >>6143190 It does have Giana Sisters, which, as stated, is vastly superior to Mario.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:44:13 2020 No.6143314 >ctrl+f >uridium >0 results Shame on you /vr/, shame...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:44:35 2020 No.6143315 Not even a shill, but Sam's Journey is a legitimately good game worth getting a commodore 64 for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:45:25 2020 No.6143317 >>6143220 Imagine actually knowing this shit off hand...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 15:47:24 2020 No.6143324 >>6143317 Imagine coming on a retro game board and complaining about someone knowing their shit about retro game development Fucking reddit zoomer retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 16:53:56 2020 No.6143486 the soundchip was badass

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 17:15:39 2020 No.6143538 >>6139572 Talking about a "great exclusives" is a console mindset.This is a computer, most of the best wetern computer games from the time were made for it and the other computer platforms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 17:50:00 2020 No.6143609 Project Firestart is a relatively rare example of a C64 exclusive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 21:46:37 2020 No.6144012 >>6141939 teh tism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 08:43:53 2020 No.6144756 >>6139572 never played world games with your brothers back in the day have you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 18:34:32 2020 No.6145532 >>6139572 this isn't /v/, you can just ask what good games there are for it pretty sure someone will eventually give you a nice introduction to the system

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 19:04:06 2020 No.6145561

>>6142462
Aztec Challenge.
That song would get in my head....
Spy hunter was also always fun.
and
"Stay a while...stay forever"
Spy hunter.
also a shit ton of old sierra games.

I had a golf game that's disk had been damaged and so you would find these hair-thing cracks that would, if your ball rolled into one send it careening around it's depths and sometimes shoot it out like a rocket...

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 19:09:51 2020 No.6145567

I also remember a game where you were topdown on a....spaceship?
where you went around hacking all of the systems and jumping from robot bodys of different types.

I also remembered the cool Alien game which was almost like and adventure game where you controlled the crew but they responded to commands based on if the alien was present, their wound state and state of mind. - each character could also carry two items at a time...like a shock stick or a cat box.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 19:12:22 2020 No.6145571 >>6145567 I got that game in a commodore lot the other month!

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 19:53:32 2020 No.6145615
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>>6139572
It's got some good games, you just gotta really dig for them. Honestly I think the MSX family had vastly superior games, even the first one with it's inferior specs save for supporting two buttons from the start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 22:06:46 2020 No.6145785 >>6145571 What's it called?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 00:29:37 2020 No.6146042 >>6145615 fuck off weeb

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 00:36:38 2020 No.6146054 >>6139572 Why don't you have a f'n clue about computer history with in the United States?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 00:55:05 2020 No.6146074 Probably has something to do with it being an affordable everyman computer that helped teach a ton of people how to program.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 09:05:45 2020 No.6146597 >>6142940 Hmm. I just realized Mario is such a sacred cow, no one ever gives it shit for reusing maps. Why, /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 09:08:58 2020 No.6146601 >>6145615 What ugly fucking box art. No wonder they sold a total of 50 systems worldwide...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:38:05 2020 No.6146732 File: 1.07 MB, 1920x1080, 1578770118432.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6139572 >the single computer that sold the most in all history. >thinks it didn't have great games >unironically

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:44:53 2020 No.6146736 >>6146732 >the single computer that sold the most in all history Not anymore : https://www.eteknix.com/raspberry-pi-becomes-third-best-selling-computer-ever/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:46:21 2020 No.6146738 >>6146736 Not comparable. Come on. Does the rpi bundle a keyboard? Does it boot to basic interpreter in a split second? Nah. Entirely different things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:47:30 2020 No.6146740 >>6146738 Facts are facts, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:48:01 2020 No.6146741 File: 2.20 MB, 1920x1080, 1549340389501.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6146736 The C=64 is a personal computer. Whatever the rpi is, it definitely isn't a PC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 10:49:33 2020 No.6146743 >>6146736 The Raspberry Pi has how many games exactly? Not counting compile-and-run portable games or emulators, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 11:16:08 2020 No.6146787 >>6146736 >In 2019 when the market is infinitely bigger than it was in the 80s. The C64 is what brought home computing and computer gaming to the masses, and for those reasons it remains a beloved machine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 11:52:46 2020 No.6146842 >>6146736 OK, Zoomer.

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 12:00:24 2020 No.6146857

>>6146738
>>6146741
>>6146743
>>6146787
It's not "the best sold computer that comes with a keyboard"
It's not "the best sold personal computer"
It's not "the best sold computer with the most games"
It's not "the best sold computer in the 80s".

It's "the best sold home computer", period.
As I said, facts are facts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 12:01:32 2020 No.6146862 >>6146857 >rpi >home computer Pick one and just one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 12:04:55 2020 No.6146873 File: 7 KB, 225x225, 1579626295221.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6146857 no u

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 14:26:33 2020 No.6147174
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>>6146042
>>6146601
Most C64 games are just flat out fucking shit. Only thing it had in it's favor are stronger video capabilities from the start and the based SID chip. The C64 had stronger specs from the start but the MSX had better games and that's what really matters. Even pic-related with it's choppy scrolling plays better than nearly all of the janky-ass euroshmups on the C64 and even Amiga.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 14:51:03 2020 No.6147413 >>6147174 i literally posted this game with the exact same arguments and some yuropoor was like "um like the sprites are monochrome and the scrolling is choppy??" even if it plays better than most shmups on the c64

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 15:01:50 2020 No.6147429 >>6147413 >>6147174 Who uses a C64 for shmups? You're supposed put on your fake elf ears and play a nice round of Bard's Tale. Computers are for computer games, consoles are for console games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 15:03:55 2020 No.6147431 >>6147429 >>6147429 there's no way the c64 couldn't pull a decent conversion of msx gradius considering the vic-ii is a souped-up TMS chip

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 15:05:08 2020 No.6147436 The MSX really has nothing outside of Konami titles worth playing on it--in the UK, it was just used for rubbish-tier ZX Spectrum ports.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 15:08:34 2020 No.6147446 >>6147431 In most regards it's better hardware, but the TMS9918 has one major advantage in having port-mapped video RAM which means it doesn't steal CPU cycles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 15:13:38 2020 No.6147459 Gradius was ported by Konami in-house. If it had been done on the C64, or if there was a Western conversion on the MSX, it would have just been the usual shitty shit arcade port done in two months by playing a Gradius cab and attempting to memorize it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 00:41:59 2020 No.6148597 >>6147174 >amiga >janky Pick one. Unironically never seen anything scroll at anything but perfect 50Hz or 60Hz on the Amiga.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 01:50:43 2020 No.6148754 The Apple 2 and Mac are the only good non-DOS systems for vidya

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 05:07:15 2020 No.6148992 >>6148754 The mac hardware is not exactly good for gaming. The CPU does all the work, graphics are a silly framebuffer and that's it. Sound also a shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 05:24:36 2020 No.6149015 >>6147459 >If it had been done on the C64, or if there was a Western conversion blah blah blah I eat my own weeaboo anus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBqbSEBjZqI What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 05:38:40 2020 No.6149035 >>6145567 >I also remember a game where you were topdown on a....spaceship? where you went around hacking all of the systems and jumping from robot bodys of different types. Paradroid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 11:26:03 2020 No.6149525 File: 109 KB, 734x543, nemesis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6149015

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 11:28:06 2020 No.6149529 >>6148754 If you want to play Math Munchers in 3rd grade computer class I guess they are.

Anonymous Wed Jan 22 11:40:30 2020 No.6149548

>>6149525
Nemesis as usual is an arcade port done without the original source or art assets. It's not a bad port per se, but the MSX one is clearly more accurate because the programmers had access to the arcade source. Also FWIW Gradius was one of the very earliest arcade games to use a 68000. The Japanese cab used bubble memory for storage but it proved unreliable and international releases just used conventional ROMs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 11:56:40 2020 No.6149575 >>6149015 >>6149525 it's trash

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 13:55:26 2020 No.6149792 >>6149548 When is the last time you even looked at the MSX port of Nemesis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TB3j8rlQrU It looks like a fucking Spectrum game, doesn't sound much better and the scrolling is garbage as usual for MSX.

Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:04:45 2020 No.6149815

>>6149792
The MSX is based on an older chipset than the C64. But that's not the point. The point was the programmers had access to the arcade source+art assets+hit box charts so the enemy movement patterns and things like that are much more arcade-accurate than the C64 Nemesis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:05:47 2020 No.6149818 >>6149815 >muh accuracy It's just bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:42:08 2020 No.6149887 >>6147429 Spy Hunter and Gyruss for C64 were pretty based.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:43:10 2020 No.6149891 >>6146741 No one cares what anime posters think on this board. Here's a razor, you know what to do!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:44:12 2020 No.6149894 >>6146732 Drop and give me 20, faggot. You will never be a girl and you aren't Japanese.

Anonymous Wed Jan 22 14:49:58 2020 No.6149907
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>>6149891
I'd shave with it, but I get the feeling I'd catch aids, so I'll just dispose of the razor.
>>6149894
Umi a best.
I'll give you a few I used to love, not 20.
Freddy Hardest, Manic Miner, Delta, Maniac Mansion, Contra (aka Gryzor), Impossible Mission, Great Giana Sisters.
Drop by https://www.lemon64.com/ and check out the rankings there if you're at a loss on which games to try. I grew up on Amiga and I am the most fond of that, but only had a c64 until I was about 7 years old.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 16:18:43 2020 No.6150110 I would say the C64 had an above-average port of Commando while the NES one is mediocre and extremely buggy.

Anonymous Wed Jan 22 16:24:01 2020 No.6150117

>>6150110
The NES Commando was like the first game for the system Capcom did in-house and their lack of experience with the hardware shows. The C64 port is quite good especially that amazing Ron Hubbard soundtrack (the NES music is just bleepy shit). It did omit some levels because I guess the devs were under time pressure to finish, but some people made a remastered Commando a few years ago with the missing levels added in.

Anonymous Wed Jan 22 16:32:09 2020 No.6150145

One thing where the C64 always had a big advantage over the NES was the cleanness of the graphics. How many times have you seen a NES game with huge amounts of flicker/slowdown/graphics glitches? Even the best devs like Konami couldn't avoid it. C64 games almost never have flicker or artifacts when scrolling the screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 22 22:37:19 2020 No.6150895 >>6149792 >doesn't have color clash out the ass >simulates multiple colors by making enemies part of the tileset >has music i don't know man, no game on the spectrum is like this

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 11:48:31 2020 No.6151859 >>6139572 Maniac Mansion? Ultima IV?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 12:09:55 2020 No.6151890 >>6139572 It was used as toy for beginner programmers, serious games picked Amiga and PC clones.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 12:32:21 2020 No.6151931 >>6150145 A C64 can't do Kirby's Adventure for a number of reasons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 12:57:32 2020 No.6151969 >>6139572 10 PRINT "NIGGER" 20 GOTO 10 RUN

Anonymous Thu Jan 23 13:45:32 2020 No.6152037

BASIC 2.0 is known for its terrible slow garbage collection. Later BASIC iterations used an improved method. This will take roughly an hour and 40 minutes to execute on a C64 and the only way to stop the program is by pressing Run/Stop-Restore since BASIC does not scan the Run/Stop key while performing garbage collection.

10 M=9000:DIMA$(M):?"FREE STRING MEMORY: ";FRE(0)
20 B$="A":?"ARRAY SETUP...":FORI=0TOM:A$(I)=B$:NEXT
30 ?"GARBAGE COLLECTION...":TI$="000000":?FRE(0);"BYTES FREE
40 ?"TIME (HHMMSS): ";TI$;" /";INT(TI/3600+1);"MINUTES

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 14:04:50 2020 No.6152079 >>6139572 Bait Thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 14:07:33 2020 No.6152087 So since they did SMB for the C64, what other NES games could be ported? SMB2 doesn't look overly difficult.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 14:10:53 2020 No.6152098 >>6152087 No it doesn't have a large amount of sprites on screen most of the time especially compared to something like Mega Man. Of course it would certainly necessitate multiloading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 23 14:58:22 2020 No.6152208 >>6139572 Clearly you never spent an entire summer trying to beat Wasteland.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 00:55:01 2020 No.6153385 Of all 8-bit systems, it's by and far the most accessible and easy to code for.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 05:25:15 2020 No.6153739 File: 242 KB, 500x533, pyramid-scheme (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] basically, the difference between a programmable computer and a gaming console is the difference between creative people and consumer kids. i like diy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 06:31:26 2020 No.6153808 >>6147174 I fucking love the SID chip. I'm not sure how to describe it's sound, but it's almost like the whirring spin of a Hammond organ in purely digital form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymajs4GdeFI

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 10:41:39 2020 No.6154114 >>6141212 >looks at a few top-whatever lists >they're all ports of pc games yeah, c64 sure sounds like a real winner. can't imagine why it got slaughtered.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 10:53:13 2020 No.6154127 >>6141729 There's no way the norfeners could afford a C64. They're speccy all the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 10:59:18 2020 No.6154136 >>6154127 luv me speccy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 11:45:39 2020 No.6154219 >>6154114 What specific games are PC ports?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 12:01:58 2020 No.6154237 File: 164 KB, 1577x379, 115486.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6154219 He probably just did this and thought these games were all PC ports when none of them were ported from the PC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 12:14:30 2020 No.6154262 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkTsE2BdVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMcvOpPuy8 Lyl. C64 1, NES 0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 12:21:14 2020 No.6154291 If you always think in terms of AAA console exclusives, you won't "get" home computer games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 19:57:31 2020 No.6155352 >>6154262 Usually when a game is designed around a particular piece of hardware, it tends to work the best on that hardware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 24 22:10:29 2020 No.6155583 >>6139572 Bruce Lee is a great fucking game, and I'm honestly sick of how discussion threads always have to be started with bait

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 25 18:33:19 2020 No.6157392 >>6155583 It is.

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