Why do I keep coming back to it? The story is shit. The characters are shit. Drawing magic is shit. But every few years I get an itch to play through it. Why???????

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Anonymous Fri Jan 17 17:22:48 2020 No.6139532 [Reply] [Original]

Why do I keep coming back to it? The story is shit. The characters are shit. Drawing magic is shit. But every few years I get an itch to play through it. Why???????

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 17:26:07 2020 No.6139538 Good music.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 17:44:29 2020 No.6139580 comfy towns, quistis and selphie

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 17:54:16 2020 No.6139601 >>6139532 Stockholm Syndrome

Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:04:49 2020 No.6139620

>>6139532

The GF and refining systems are addictive as hell, and there are obscure secrets everywhere. It also has the best OST and everything (the world, characters, monsters, towns, and whatnot) is very pleasant aesthetically. I'm playing it right now and I can't stop playing cards against that guy in the desert prison to get a Rosetta Stone (1/256 after winning a game).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:07:47 2020 No.6139625 >>6139532 You're an NPC who bought into the meme that it was a bad game, but it's in fact so good that it has glitched your programming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:14:00 2020 No.6139646 Nah, I'm pretty sure you are the one person on /vr/ that keeps spamming this shit game and having whole threads talking to yourself about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:21:11 2020 No.6139679 >>6139625 I didnt even like it when it came out. I was really disappointed with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:23:31 2020 No.6139686 >>6139646 And this is me replying to myself

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:25:27 2020 No.6139691 >>6139532 Nostalgia. I do the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 18:31:54 2020 No.6139712 It makes me question my taste in games in general. My taste must be shit because I feel the need to play this again and again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 21:02:42 2020 No.6139958 Because it has probably one of the most immersing atmosphere complete with great sidequests and amazing music? I feel like FF VIII has some great world building and they didn't even try.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 21:22:13 2020 No.6139986 >>6139532 >Why do I keep coming back to it? You like to do things you don't like, I guess. Perhaps it's some form of flagellant repentance? Or maybe you have the memory of a goldfish?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 21:35:51 2020 No.6140001 >>6139620 Do this trick to get one every time. It sounds like bs but if you get the running part around the corners right, it does work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfYugQS-Kyo&t=132s

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 17 21:37:06 2020 No.6140004 >>6140001 Actually that vid is confusing. This one is easier to understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1B8LEQYn7c

Anonymous Sat Jan 18 01:06:43 2020 No.6140332

>>6139532
>The characters are shit.
Nigger wut? Tell me another JRPG with better character development. It's the only one i've ever played with relatable characters that you can actually form some kind of emotional connection with.

It also gets bonus points for being a JRPG where you never have to tediously grind levels. Only other ones I can think of are the Suikoden games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 01:07:38 2020 No.6140336 >>6139538 I like the prog rock boss theme. It is possibly my favorite in the series. I've never had the urge to replay this game since I beat it in 2001 or 2, though.

Anonymous Sat Jan 18 11:33:42 2020 No.6140905

>>6139532
Because the whole things feels like some sort of fever dream that you're trying to make sense of. The characters, the gameplay, the plot, the directions the game decides to take things and the directions that they decide not to and on top of that, the music re-enforces that dreamy atmosphere that's present throughout the game.

Great game for maybe the wrong reasons tbqh

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 11:40:25 2020 No.6140912 >>6139532 ULTIMECIA IS RINOA LIKE IT OR NOT ;')

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 11:47:32 2020 No.6140916 >>6139532 Best game in the series. Best music, best characters, best story, best atmosphere, best world

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 14:14:53 2020 No.6141132 >>6140001 >>6140004 Lol thank you so much guys, I kept getting shitty potions/ultrapotion+ and I'm gonna try this right now

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 14:41:59 2020 No.6141172 >>6139532 FFVIII is worth playing once just to do a "don't level up until you get Bahamut and Cactuar GFs, then grind with all the level up bonuses equipped" It's like 90 extra points in the core stats the game never intended you to have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 16:03:11 2020 No.6141321 >>6140004 >Challenge the man sitting down. Decline to mix 54 times. Challenge again and accept. How the fuck does anybody discover stuff like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 16:05:05 2020 No.6141328 >>6141321 Typical Playstation era bullshit. Better be playing that game with gamefaqs open.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 17:20:29 2020 No.6141524 >>6139532 Squall dies an the end of disc one. Story not that bad then, Its emo Squall's final fantasy after all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:11:59 2020 No.6141753 >>6140912 "I don't want the future. I want the present to stand still." -Rinoa

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:49:59 2020 No.6141828 >>6140905 I heard someone describe FF8 as the Twin Peaks of Final Fantasy before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 19:57:39 2020 No.6141841 >>6141828 That's pretty interesting. I'd rather replay VIII than rewatch Twin Peaks personally. I play it every few years, most recently on its 20th birthday. If you play it assuming R=U it plays out as an outstanding tragedy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:00:35 2020 No.6141849

>>6141321

I guess once you got the idea in your head that actions such as declining to mix were reliably and predictably advancing the state of the random number generator, then you'd be in a position to just start repeating that kind of action different numbers of times to see what the result would be. And then once you got to the first number of repetitions that gave a good result, you'd stop, try it again a few times with the same number just to make sure, and then publish your discovery.

I wouldn't expect somebody to discover that 54 number purely by accident. And I wouldn't expect them to have performed some complex calculation that directly produced the result "54". That kind of thing tends to come from a limited theoretical understanding of how the game works - enough understanding to justify a brute-force trial of fifty or a hundred different numbers, but not enough to allow the exact answer to be obtained directly from a formula.

I dunno though, maybe it was different in this case, I don't really know FF8.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:10:18 2020 No.6141859 >>6139532 Because you are mentally ill dude, and you need medication right away. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:19:56 2020 No.6141879 >>6139532 How far in are you OP?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:28:02 2020 No.6141890 >>6139532 This happens to me and Final Fantasy 3 ds remake. It's horrible but the music hits that nerve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:45:56 2020 No.6141910 >>6141890 Do you have nostalgia for the DS remake? The music in it is stock, inspired junk compared to the melodious original Famicom/NES version. youtube.com/watch?v=V9xyV-Rz5Jk

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 20:48:40 2020 No.6141913 >>6141910 yes because i played the ds remake first. I love the NES music as well but since FF3 was the only ds game I really owned for 2 years or so it got a lot of play

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 21:20:50 2020 No.6141959 >>6141879 Just got to galbadia garden on 1st disc. Not very far in yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 18 21:24:39 2020 No.6141968 >>6141910 Superior PSP version lets you select the famicom ost if you wish.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 09:57:32 2020 No.6142728 >>6139532 Because it's actually great. >>6141890 The graphics suck, but other than that there's nothing wrong with the remake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 10:11:53 2020 No.6142743 >>6139532 for me it's the same but with chrono cross

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 12:24:04 2020 No.6142917 >>6139532 because deep down we know its a good game

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 12:32:29 2020 No.6142923 >>6139532 Because the SOUL still burns.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 13:16:31 2020 No.6142984 Card game

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 19 18:44:32 2020 No.6143709 Did anyone ever do the chocobo stuff in VIII? I couldn't get into it. I liked everything else about the game. My favorite to this day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 10:45:44 2020 No.6144865 >>6140004 Well shit I wish they'd said you have to hard reset first. Just wasted 2 hours of my life.

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 10:54:13 2020 No.6144875

>>6140332
>It also gets bonus points for being a JRPG where you never have to tediously grind levels
Only because the game actively punishes you for leveling up, and you can reach typical end-game effectiveness by spending a couple of hours at the start playing triple triad before going out to grab encounter-none.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 11:12:17 2020 No.6144915 >wanna replay it >remember it has level scaling Fuck that lazy shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 11:27:13 2020 No.6144938 >>6139620 >guy in the desert prison to get a Rosetta Stone i'm doing my first ever complete play through and i got one after three games

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 11:50:47 2020 No.6144975 >>6141524 SID is a brainlet theory. Did you also know that Cloud died when he fell through the roof of the church in Midgar?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 17:06:30 2020 No.6145435 >>6144915 If you break the junction system you barely notice it. I suppose that would require some level of thought on behalf of the player though....can't have that. Perhaps Fortnight is more your style.

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 17:18:57 2020 No.6145450

>>6145435
Even if you don't break the game, the game still tosses countless ways to just exploit without trying. Hell, summons will carry you entirely up until Ultemecia. A little late for THEN for the game to tell you that you've been playing wrong but whatever.

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 17:21:58 2020 No.6145454

>>6139532
I think people hating this game is a meme at this point. It's probably the most unique /vr/ FF game and the characters are actually pretty cool, well most of them at least. I think the draw , junction and GF systems are all fun as well. It's the weakest of the PS1 FFs, but it's still better than most other FF games when looking at the entire franchise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 17:24:33 2020 No.6145459 >>6145454 >but it's still better than most other FF games when looking at the entire franchise. The only reason it isn't dead last is because the first game is rather boring and 2 sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 18:25:12 2020 No.6145525 >>6139538 This is literally the only good thing about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 18:40:08 2020 No.6145536 >>6139532 >Why do I keep coming back to it? The story is shit. The characters are shit. Drawing magic is shit. But every few years I get an itch to play through it. Why??????? I love how broken the game is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 20:06:56 2020 No.6145634 >>6140332 >Tell me another JRPG with better character development Atelier as a whole is really character-driven. Especially Mana Khemia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 20:09:08 2020 No.6145639 >>6139532 Try the PC version with the Ragnarok mod. It makes the game much more challenging.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 20:50:41 2020 No.6145678 >>6145634 is this post some kind of a joke

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 20 21:16:46 2020 No.6145712 >>6145459 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > 8 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 12 > 15 > 1 > 13 > 2 Never played 11 or 14.

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 22:53:18 2020 No.6145854
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>>6145712
Based. My favorites are IX, V and VII. I stopped after X but for me the Playstation 1 and Super Nintendo eras were the golden age for sure. I love how you have them all next to each other at the top of your list behind only X. The order is within that will depend on individual taste of course but I would be interested to hear if anyone prefers any of the NES games or anything post X to any of the 6 Super Nintendo and Playstation 1 games and if so, why.

Mine is:

IX > VII > V > VI > VIII > IV > III > I > II

Anonymous Mon Jan 20 23:01:00 2020 No.6145869

>>6139532
It's my favorite, and I don't even know why. It's dreamy and mystical, and whenever I play it I feel like I'm high as balls. Ultimecia time compressing my brain. I wouldn't even say I'm nostalgic for the soundtrack, but the music puts me into a trance.

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 01:53:10 2020 No.6146142

>>6145435

I have no trouble beating the game, my hatred of level scaling is a matter of principle. its basically a way for developers to avoid balancing the game section by section. To make matters worse, the game is still completely broken even with level scaling. Its a shame because I love many things about ff8, but the combat system is absolute trash because they tried so hard to be different.

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 04:41:17 2020 No.6146328

>>6145854

I played FF1 as a kid and loved it then so I can remember that while playing it now, which is kinda nice-ish. Also the game doesn't add a lot of padding the way 3D JRPGs tend to do so it won't drive me insane while I wait for the game to finish playing itself so I can get back to playing it.

I can't deal with any 3D Final Fantasy game. FF7's superdeformed characters look like garbage to me, the "cool" look of FF8's characters nauseates me, the gaudy baroque costumes in FFX and FFXII endlessly irritate me... the cutscenes are too long, the battles are too slow, and once voices come in you can't even read at your own pace anymore. It's just bloat upon bloat and I can't handle it, no matter how adorable Vivi and Steiner may be.

If you don't mind frequently waiting then FFIX is probably going to be vastly superior to FF1 for you, I guess. I do mind frequently waiting though. I mind it a lot.

(I haven't played FF2 or FF3.)

I mean in practice I'm much more likely to play an action game. Because I want to do things, not wait. But if I had to play Final Fantasy I'd choose the first over any of the 3D ones. (I'd prefer FF6 to any of those, though.)

Hm I guess I might pick FFXIII over the earlier 3D ones, too. That one seems to streamline out some of the parts where you might expect to be playing it, which is another way of getting around the problem of mixing playing with waiting. If you're ALWAYS waiting then it's not a bad game after all, because it's not really even a game, it's a movie... well but then it might be a BAD movie, but at least I could look at Fang and masturbate. And the monster designs are really good I think. They had a real artist working on monster designs in that game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 04:57:19 2020 No.6146352 >>6139538 >>6145525 i thought it was pretty bad compared to ffvii and ix

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 05:39:38 2020 No.6146394 >>6146352 I thought you were pretty gay compared to Elton John and Liberace

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 06:54:53 2020 No.6146467 >>6145712 I used to hate X, but gained a new respect for it after playing XIII

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 08:26:02 2020 No.6146559

>>6146142
I prefer it to be different even when it's broken, because traditional JRPGs are either very easy (like most FFs) or require a lot of mindless grinding. Level scaling makes more sense for games that deviate from the traditional XP leveling, Romancing Saga did the same thing to make an example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 09:42:46 2020 No.6146645 >>6145712 I'm not considering whatever 13 or 15 are as Final Fantasy games, to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 11:50:18 2020 No.6146839 File: 32 KB, 545x362, time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6141753 How is this bad again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 11:53:43 2020 No.6146846 >>6146559 >I prefer it to be different even when it's broken This is the stupidest shit I've heard all 2020

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 14:18:46 2020 No.6147149 >>6146839 ikr

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 14:19:52 2020 No.6147153 >>6146846 The implication is that the classic JRPG mechanics are already broken.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 21 17:01:33 2020 No.6147729 >>6146839 I didn't say anything was bad.

Anonymous Tue Jan 21 19:02:54 2020 No.6147983
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>>6146328
"I don't think I have what it takes to make a good action game. I think I am better at telling a story."

-Hironobu Sakaguchi

I think it's an interesting statement in lieu of the fact that he also said IX was his favorite and closest to his intentions all along for Final Fantasy (although V was his favorite of the games he was a lead designer on.) The first one is like this interpretation of pencil and paper role playing games with influences from previous PC RPG video games and Dragon Quest. It really has its own thing going on like how spells reset on the basis of days.

It's understandable but interesting how you prefer I to IX because there's less waiting in battles, because going back to I on NES I get taken aback by how long battles chug on for. Of course, IX is no better and has even less of an excuse because it could have been faster, and instead you're just waiting for 3D environments, cinematic camera angles and animations to play out taking their own sweet time. IX is particularly slow even in comparison to VII and VIII and I don't think that the developers even processed that people might mind at the time because being cutting edge was the most important thing.

That also makes the fact that you like XIII particularly funny, I guess because that game is so brazenly a "passively spectate as pretty things happen on the screen" game that there's no pretense of interaction anyway. Not that the game does not have strategy or gameplay, but only at advanced levels and only if you seek it out. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's no pretense, so your mind doesn't have to go back and forth between feeling participating and waiting for things to chug on, so you can relax and enjoy the show. It does also help that the graphics are as far along as they are because everything flows more smoothly in the game as a consequence and the fully realized proportional anime art style is the least likely to offend anyone's tastes as a consequence.

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