/CRT/ Thread - Something Edition

[Anonymous No.6138246]

Previous thread: >>6078735
>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 5th Gen (+Dreamcast) games on back. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for other's choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.

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[Anonymous No.6138248]

remember to disregard the scart meme!

[Anonymous No.6138253]

first for microwave

[Anonymous No.6138258]

>>6138248
no

[Anonymous No.6138262]

>>6138253
moomin?

[Anonymous No.6138267]

>>6138253
finnish anime isn't retro games

[Anonymous No.6138273]

>>6138262
yes
>>6138267
perkele

[Anonymous No.6138359]

>>6138016
>>6138017
$30 at the e-recycling plant. Generally I prefer trinitron to shadowmask, but I'll make an exception for this one because the specs are way better than the Sony 19" monitor I was using.
Does anyone know a way to set the background differently on two separate monitors?
Reposting my pick for r8s.

[Anonymous No.6138515]

>>6138248
Haven’t been in one of these threads in a good 2 years and you guys are still posting the same shit. Fuck man get a life

[Anonymous No.6138582]

>>6138515
/vr/ in general is stagnant as fuck, bordering on toxic.

Sometimes I wonder why I even come here any more.

[Anonymous No.6138668]

[Anonymous No.6138671]

>>6138515
You should go on /o/ generals, even worse. Suzuki shitposting and scootyboi.

[Anonymous No.6138787]

>>6138359
I can't even figure out who to speak to at my e-recycling plant. I talked to two and they both told me off, saying they can't let me take anything home because of "insurance reasons". Any advice?

[Anonymous No.6138812]

>>6138582
>>6138515
It's almost as if the idea of generals is a bad one

[Anonymous No.6138841]

>>6138248
Fuck off, I live in Europe

[Anonymous No.6138914]

>>6138787
You need to figure out who the head of sales is. Some plants just literally can't sell anything because they don't for some reason, but most are listing things on ebay to make more money and crts aren't sell-able to them (looking into their business plan it makes total sense why they couldn't put in the time to sell these at market prices).
The only advice I can give you beyond that is to try and sound professional so they think you know what youre doing. I could see them being serious about the insurance thing, but everyone has a price of admission.

[Anonymous No.6139928]

Welp, I got this tv/monitor today and it has a really nice picture, but after using it for about ten minutes, it turned off and wont turn back on. Might've blown a fuse, but I'll have to open it up and see. Hopefully its nothing major.

[Anonymous No.6140020]

>>6138359
assuming you're using windows 10 just select both images then right click one and set for monitor 1/2

[Anonymous No.6140030]

>>6140020
damn I'm using windows 7

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6140506]

>>6138359
>>6140030
You could potentially make a composite of the two images you want to use, in the proper orientation, and set it.

The solution I came to personally was to use an external program, in this case DisplayFusion.

>>6139928
Here's hoping; That's a rather nice little set, both in picture quality and just design wise.

[Anonymous No.6140907]

I'm getting back into Ps1 and 2 stuff and I'm hunting around for a nice 14'' CRT but haven't had much luck yet

Today while cleaning out my parent's attic I found 2 cheapish looking tv's, ones a Daewoo something with no label on it and the other is a Techsonic Q7 TXT

Both of them are cheap, small black units with only SCART and Co-axial input, and a permanently attached power cord

How do I go about finding out anything more about them? I can't seem to find much from google, is their a CRT library or forum I should be checking?

People around my area want £150 for a cigarette stained piece of shit from the 70's everyone's heard of the CRT meme now and are cashing in

[Anonymous No.6141278]

>>6140907
what the hell do you want to know? the TVL count? they're TVs dude, you've got access to them. plug them in and test them out.

[Anonymous No.6141643]

what's the best size CRT for a desk?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6141997]

>>6141643
One that fits on said desk.

If you're talking something for consoles, TV wise your decent options are going to be sitting between the 13 and 20'' range, with the latter really only being applicable if you've got the proper desk space for it. For my personal tastes, going any smaller just becomes a bit uncomfortable to use for general purpose stuff.

[Anonymous No.6142003]

>play boneworks
>PVMs and other CRTs all over the place

neat

[Anonymous No.6142021]

>>6137987
Your fake-Japanese wallpaper is dumb

[Anonymous No.6142268]

>>6140506
>displayFusion
Thanks anon that seem's to be doing the trick. Is the wallpaper feature premium version only?
>>6142021
You think so?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6142313]

>>6142268
Nearly positive I'm using some pirated version from 2012 or some shit, so that may be something to look into.

[Anonymous No.6142442]

Just got my new PVM guys!

[Anonymous No.6142546]

>>6141278
I didn't have time then and it'll be a week before I can get back over to look at them, and my mum vaguely said something about them being up there for a decade, and our attic isn't terribly well sealed so I'm imagining I'm probably going to have to clean them up a bit and pull them apart and check everything

I can do that, but if it's going to be too much work for a shit TV I'll not bother

[Anonymous No.6142669]

How the fuck am I supposed to set different resolutions for different cores without using the core/game override function of Retroarch, which fucks up EVERYTHING?

[Anonymous No.6142673]

>>6142442
That's literally mine though.

[Anonymous No.6142796]

>>6142003
I think the game takes place in the late 90s.

[Anonymous No.6143325]

>>6142673
do u remember when i saw you on a /v/ thread when you posted red dead redemption pics on your crt and I invited you to a chatroom and you ignored the invite on discord?

I remember

[Anonymous No.6143472]

>>6140907
>>6142546
Welp, in the end it didn't matter, got back over today and grabbed both, the Daewoo doesn't do anything what so ever despite looking fine on the inside, the Techsonic was filthy, after opening it up and cleaning everything I could see I plugged it in pressed power and the screen sparked then died, permanently, the magic electronic smoke then started to escape and set off the smoke detector

I think it was pigeon shit and trapped moisture on the deflection coils, there was some scabs of white in the right place on the outer casing

Poking around inside it I don't think I was missing much, lmao mono sound and this is the laziest put together piece of shit I've ever taken apart, heatshrink not shraken, big blobs of glue everywhere, lots of caps just sort of placed in vaguely the right place on the board, sat crooked on the PCB and 13 yo level soldering

RIP Q7 TXT, died as it lived, poorly

[Anonymous No.6144040]

Gogo is underrated.

[Anonymous No.6144575]

>>6142442

Average tranny room

[Anonymous No.6144618]

Is it possible for an s-video to component adapter to be unidirectional, or are all passive analogue to analogue converters by definition bidirectional?

[Anonymous No.6144675]

>>6144618
There are no passive s-video to component adapters.

[Anonymous No.6144698]

>>6144675
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32941070104.html
What's this then?

[Anonymous No.6144716]

>>6144698
A specialized connector for old graphics cards and laptops that sent component over an svideo port on the card. You had different breakout pigtails for different applications.

[Anonymous No.6144718]

>>6144698
That looks like the cable that some satellite tv services use for their receivers. Those already output component at their av connector.

[Anonymous No.6144727]

>>6144716
>>6144718
Are there passive component to s-video converters or is it not possible for the same reason?

[Anonymous No.6144753]

>>6138246
Redpill me on the CRT

How do systems designed to work with the electron gun even work with other TVs?

[Anonymous No.6144778]

>>6144753
Poorly.

[Anonymous No.6144894]

My HDTV has VGA but the Dreamcast doesn't work with it, what kind of transcoder to HDMI would be a good option?

[Anonymous No.6145072]

>>6142442
>>6142673
>paedophilia
>piss bottles
>various chemical vices
>trans flag
Checks out

[Anonymous No.6145079]

>>6143325
Sorry if you were offended, but there's no point in me joining a discord server full of people I don't know. I would only idle and eventually leave. I don't have anything to talk about, I'm a very boring, uninteresting person.
I barely understand what I'm doing to get my PVM working with custom timings, so I don't have much knowledge to offer either.

[Anonymous No.6145091]

>>6144753
TV signals are time based. Since the amount of time per line drawn is known, you can figure out how to divide that line into pixels.
If you know what parts of the signal need to be happening at what times, you can write software that records the information in that signal, and converts it to something an LCD can display.
That's one of the sources of input lag on modern LCDs. It waits for an entire frame until it shows the image. CRTs just shows a dot that changes in brightness, and that dot moves in lines across the screen. We only see a frame because the dot is moving so fast.

Fun fact. Devices like the Oculus Rift actually do what CRTs do and only show a single bright dot at any given point in time. This is called "rolling scan", and it gives similar input latency to a CRT. The only thing stopping an OLED TV from doing this today is the firmware on the TV itself.

[Anonymous No.6145229]

>>6145079
custom timings?

[Anonymous No.6145261]

>>6144727
S-video carries luma and chroma each on a separate wire. To decode chroma you need circuitry (like a phase-locked loop) that cannot be implemented with passive components.

[Anonymous No.6145371]

>>6138246
Why the fuck is it so hard to get 240p out of my pc to a crt? Its fucking current year.

Right now I am using a cheap vga to composite converter to get some shitty 480i but I would really like some 240p juicyness.

[Anonymous No.6145535]

>>6145371
https://www.aussiearcade.com/forum/arcade/m-a-m-e-emulation-projects-and-discussion/89704-a-guide-to-connecting-your-windows-pc-to-an-sd-crt-tv-pvm-or-arcade-monitor

[Anonymous No.6145601]

>>6145229
Analog video timings.

[Anonymous No.6145603]

>>6145601
im dumb, explain

[Anonymous No.6145616]

Fucking hueg Trinitron for free, worth a 90 mile drive across the breadth of the country in my tiny hatchback car, yes or no?

[Anonymous No.6145638]

>>6145603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwDPx6hP_4Y
This video will explain it better than I ever could.

[Anonymous No.6145647]

>>6145616
no. trinitrons pop up all the time, you shouldn't need to drive that far to get one.

[Anonymous No.6145728]

>>6145535
> not easy
> not cheap
I dont really want to pay $100+ just to transcode vga to component.

> vga 480i to composite -> $12.00
> vga 240p to component -> $100+

This just sucks.

Thanks for the link though.

[Anonymous No.6145735]

>>6145647
I live in a shitty, tiny country with a population of 2 million so stuff like this doesn't pop up all that often

Between my original post and now though I remembered I've got a friend who's down that way all week on business, he's going to pick it up for me, which is good, because I googled the dimensions and the thing literally won't fit in my car

[Anonymous No.6146082]

>>6145735
then go for it, just keep in mind that trinitrons aren't the end all be all of crts.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6146092]

>>6145371
You'd still be stuck transcoding, but a ~$50 transcoder from linuxbot3000 on ebay (currently out of stock sadly) would get you all you need to spit 240p out to a Component capable SD CRT. GroovyMame is nice for a dedicated system just for retro emulation and such, but simply setting custom modelines can get you 240p out of most GPUs capable of still spitting out analog RGB(VGA, likely over DVI-I).
Alternatively, you could look into an HDMI to Component DAC (not scaler, resolution in is resolution out) and trying to find modelines that don't anger the card from being too low of a pixel clock. Similar things can be done if you've got a raspberry pi laying around rather than needing one of the silly hats.

This is being displayed on an RGB monitor straight out of an old ass 8800GTS with nothing more than a custom modeline entered into Nvidia Control Panel, and would function identically if the display in question were a TV with component inputs that had a transcoder hanging off it's ass

[Anonymous No.6146143]

>>6145728
if you want cheap:
if all you want is console games up to ps1, get a raspberry pi for fairly good composite out at 240p.
if you want pc games too, the best bet is to get an actual crt pc monitor instead of a tv.

[Anonymous No.6147805]

>>6145072
You missed the diaper as well

[Anonymous No.6148320]

>>6146143
I might try that. I have a Wii but I havent tested any emulators on it.

My main focus is arcade shmups. How well does a Wii or pi handle shmups like dodonpachi and ketsui?

[Anonymous No.6148430]

>>6146143
There is RGB-Pi

[Anonymous No.6148486]

>>6148430
when I said cheap, I said real cheap.
raspberry pi addons are not cheap at all and the built-in composite out is about as sharp as composite can get, so not a bad way to go.

[Anonymous No.6148509]

>>6148320
with a wii you won't get very far with arcade games.
a raspi isn't also very suited for the task if you want cave shmups. some other shmups and old cave games run well, but anything newer than progear is not gonna run well, at least on a pi 3 which is what I have.

[Anonymous No.6148546]

>>6148320
>>6148509
I correct myself.
ketsui works flawlessly on my raspi 3.
I though it used the cv1000 hardware.

[Anonymous No.6148561]

>>6142442
What in gods name....

[Anonymous No.6148908]

hi kat you’re cool

[Anonymous No.6149347]

>>6148546
That may work then since I'm looking to play ketsui long term. My only concern would be input lag.

I may just say fuck it and learn to live with 480i. Its just frustrating that there isnt a cheaper/easier option.

[Anonymous No.6149364]

>>6149347
the mayor source of lag on a raspi comes from the hdmi output.
the raspi gpu does some weird shit and delays the image if it has too much to do, so outputing 1080p adds to that stress.
composite out, in the other hand, is low res enough to be a non issue, assuming you don't run expensive shaders (which would be stupid on 240p/480i anyway).
scaling shaders are ok and don't add lag at all. they are a necessity though, since it's almost the only way to scale the game picture perfectly without having to configure retroarch in a per-game basis in the case of arcade.
as for the inherent lag of emulation, I don't know how to accurately measure it, when I use the 240p test suit I get around 1 frame of lag, but that may as well be human error.

[Anonymous No.6149420]

>>6149364
Understood. As cheap as they are i think its worth giving it a try. I'm not an input lag autist but I dont want it overly excessive either.

[Anonymous No.6149448]

>>6142442
just gotta

K Y S
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[Anonymous No.6149460]

>>6149420
if you go for it I recommend you this configs.
https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/18624/custom-configs-for-crt-using-the-built-in-composite-out

there is also the CRTPi project, but I haven't used it.

[Anonymous No.6149527]

>>6148509
>with a wii you won't get very far with arcade games.
I'm not sure what arcade hardware anon is looking to emulate, but I've had success with Neo-Geo on Retroarch for Wii.

[Anonymous No.6149984]

[Anonymous No.6150062]

At what point did we go from autism to insanity?

[Anonymous No.6150082]

>>6145616
>90 mile drive
That's fucking nothing. Just over an hour at highway speeds.

[Anonymous No.6150083]

>>6150062
We need to find a group of chinese autists to buy up some low level CRT manufacturing equipment and start making artisan tubes like those guys that make the super thinkpads

[Anonymous No.6150092]

>>6150082
90 miles on mostly b roads and inter town driving is more like 2

[Anonymous No.6150203]

>>6150083
I'm amazed chinks haven't already done it. But as usual, chinks only steal the tech they counterfeit.

[Anonymous No.6150257]

Is it a bad idea to keep the brightness and contrast maxed out? I heard it will wear it down but it looks much nicer this way

[Anonymous No.6150289]

>>6150257
maxing out brightness will make your blacks turn to grey and maxing contrast will make everything less sharp. it will also wear out the tube faster. but hey, do you what you think looks good dude.

[Anonymous No.6150365]

>>6150257
on top of what >>6150289 said, you'll probably end up with incorrect color balance and shit.
grab a test pattern like the smpte color bars and calibrate that brightness, contrast and colors.

[Anonymous No.6150375]

What's the practical difference between RGB and ypbpr?

I've got a regular SCART port on the back of my monitor, a FAV (3 lead component signal) port set, and a ypbpr

I've never heard of the last before, also, is component scart a different port than RGB scart or is it the same?

I don't remember ever remember seeing a tv with dual scart back in the day, is component scart just an adaptor or was it its own thing?

[Anonymous No.6150378]

>>6150375
nvm second question, found it while re-reading sticky

[Anonymous No.6150395]

>>6150375
the practical difference is that RGBs is only used for SD signals and component is used up to hd signals. Some stuff like gamecube and wii output component signals with half colour resolution (4:2:2 chroma subsampling) but not all consoles do. if there's no chroma subsampling happening and you've calibrated your display then component and RGBs should look identical.

[Anonymous No.6150402]

>>6150083
>Super thinkpads
You wanna bring me up to speed? I don't browse /g/ anymore

[Anonymous No.6150421]

>>6150402
Some guys in china have started putting together super high end retrofitted thinkpads using old chassis with new components and low volume run motherboards

https://liliputing.com/2018/03/x210-mod-turns-classic-lenovo-thinkpad-x201-into-a-modern-pc.html

They're kind of annoying to get (Jank forum buys and long wait times) but they're legit and better than modern lenovo thinkpads

>>6150395
So for stuff PS2 and earlier its generally ypbpr = RGB > Composite >= RF?

[Anonymous No.6150839]

>>6138246

[Anonymous No.6150879]

>>6150257
that's fairly common for consumer TVs
A PVM should be calibrated better than that, though

[Anonymous No.6150945]

>>6150839

i am still working on getting the audio to sound right. i think it needs a ground loop isolator.

[Anonymous No.6151009]

>>6150839
>that eq
Literally why?

[Anonymous No.6151013]

>>6150879
>implying any pvm owner knows jack shit about calibration

[Anonymous No.6151447]

protip: the front of your CRT actually has 2 layers of glass, by removing the outermost layer you can get a much clearer picture that more closely resembles what the developers intended

[Anonymous No.6151449]

>>6151447
What the easiest way to remove it? Lightly tap it with a hammer and peel it off?

[Anonymous No.6151457]

>>6151447
Decapped my CRT decades ago, shit's night and day

[Anonymous No.6151468]

>>6150062
when digital faggotry made a youtube video bragging about playing modern PC games on a FW900.

[Anonymous No.6152097]

>>6151447
Found this out when I accidentally dropped my old CRT, face down, on the carpet. The outer screen cap broke and popped out. I thought I had ruined it.

>>6151449
Yeah, it's kind of like a car windshield where it'll break, but it's held together by a coating so the shards won't go everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6152841]

>>6151449
https://youtu.be/Rq5dcaWct2k

[Anonymous No.6152845]

>>6152841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q--9tQBbPf0

[Anonymous No.6154527]

>>6150082
>>6145735
>>6145647
She's thicc
Sony KV-32FQ70, is that good or not?
It must weigh more than I do and its making a weird buzzing sound

[Anonymous No.6154541]

>>6154527
Where did my image go?

[Anonymous No.6154554]

>>6154527
Widescreen CRT HDTVs are as useless as regular flatscreen TVs for old consoles. Modern consoles (PS3/4, 360/X1, Switch) might look good on it.

[Anonymous No.6154564]

>>6154554
Are you telling me I did a 180 mile round trip and carried this thing through my house for no reason?

[Anonymous No.6154572]

>>6154564
Literally yes. You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.6154574]

>>6154564
I'm telling you you should've read the sticky

[Anonymous No.6154576]

>>6154572
>>6154574

That's not what the pastebin says tho, it says to look out for linearity issues, it doesn't say anything about them being useless

[Anonymous No.6154579]

>>6154576
Oh wait it does say that in the sticky, I didn't realise that this was that modern
Eh, even if it is no better than a flatscreen the trip was fun and it was free

[Anonymous No.6154586]

>>6154579
Omg the cope LOL

[Anonymous No.6154592]

>>6154586
No cope, this was objectively a waste of time, but I did have fun on the drive, good tunes and the roads were clear

I'll put this thing on gumtree tomorrow and see if i can get my petrol money back

[Anonymous No.6154602]

>>6154579
Damn, son.

[Anonymous No.6154745]

So I've obviously been very retarded, as I'm clearly a phillistine who doesn't know what he's doing, is there much actual point me looking for a CRT if I just want to occasionally want to play old games or should I just use an old flatscreen tv that I already own?

Realistically how noticeable is the difference to a casual?

[Anonymous No.6154792]

>>6154745
To someone as low IQ as you, probably not noticeable at all.

[Anonymous No.6154825]

could i run a weird resolution like 600 x 360 @ 45 hz on an SD ntsc set?

[Anonymous No.6154826]

>>6154745
if you use consoles that natively output 240p or 480i, it's invaluable. the low latency compared to an HDTV is also major.

[Anonymous No.6154831]

>>6154825
>600 x 360
Sure
>45 hz
Why?

[Anonymous No.6154840]

>>6154831
i dont know i was jsut goofin and thinking about what could be done as a progressive scan image at decent enough framerates

[Anonymous No.6154850]

>>6154554
>>6154564
it's a pal set so it's not hd ffs. it is 100hz though.

[Anonymous No.6154867]

>>6154850
redpill me on 100hz crts, im an amerifat and dont understand them

[Anonymous No.6154880]

>>6154867
In America we have 120hz TVs because our line frequency is 60hz. Euros have 100hz for the same reason. Also 60hz flicker is easier on the eyes than 50hz so you see more 100hz CRTs in Europe than 120hz CRTs in the US.

[Anonymous No.6154890]

>>6154880
what are 120hz crts? when were they made? are they hd?

[Anonymous No.6154902]

>>6154890
120hz CRTs draw the image 120 times a second, generally with an interpolation algorithm to make 60hz NTSC video look "smoother". They were mostly made in the mid 2000s all the way until LCD took over as the TV of choice for consumers, and as far as I know all 120hz CRT TVs are HDTVs. Computer monitors have been capable of 120hz and even 200hz since the 90s, those are not in the same league as HDTVs but some are capable of displaying HD (720p/1080p) video due to their tighter dot pitch.

[Anonymous No.6154916]

>>6154902
so it doesnt just double fire a single frame it actually does the interpolation frame insertion thingy?

[Anonymous No.6154926]

>>6154916
Either that or it draws each frame twice. The real crime is that it upscales video and that adds lag and blur which is part of why LCDs blow ass for /vr/.

[Anonymous No.6155076]

Hey guys, friend possibly giving me a dead 33" TV and got a hookup with cheap arcade chassis and was thinking tube swap. I've done a lot of reading but don't have any practical experience with any sort of CRT work.
I know I need to take yoke readings to check compatibility, but it's also from a 100hz TV (would be looking at 15k chassis), any sort of issue?
I know I need to discharge the monitor and use an isolation transformer, but any obvious safety tips/reading? Are resistors really required for discharging TV tubes or is that more for monochrome?

[Anonymous No.6155104]

>>6154926
So my roadtrip tv might not be totally worthless?

Although I've actually found a proper 50hz 90's manufacture replacement that I'm picking up tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6155112]

>>6155104
Get rid of it while you still can. Somebody's probably willing to take it for $30, HDTVs have their uses but /vr/ is not one of them. Movies probably look good on it assuming it's calibrated right.

[Anonymous No.6155282]

best way to play emulated light gun games on a crt?


wii?
pi?
pc?
other?

which gun do i use and do i just get a usb adapter for it? will be using a giant 36 inch tube

[Anonymous No.6155314]

is a widescreen crt good for Visual Novels? Most shit is 720p.

[Anonymous No.6155318]

>>6155282
Aimtrak

[Anonymous No.6155325]

>>6155318
does that have a sensor bar thingy?

[Anonymous No.6155337]

This may be a stupid question, but why play retro games specifically on a CRT?

t. /fit/izen who is just getting back into N64 and Dreamcast after a 15 year hiatus

[Anonymous No.6155345]

>>6155337
n64 looks like shit without $500 worth of equipment on a flat screen, for one

[Anonymous No.6155356]

>>6155337
>Less input lag than most modern displays (provided your monitor is SD or multiformat)
>When no additional hardware is used, older consoles look far better (especially the N64 as >>6155345 said)
>CRTs are still cheap and easy to find (even pro monitors, if you look hard enough and get lucky)
>They're cool

[Anonymous No.6155362]

>>6139928
This is pretty much my luck with CRTs of any kind. I've gone through a JVC I'Art, a 32" Trinitron, and a 15" Trinitron monitor so far.

[Anonymous No.6155364]

>>6155356
fps counter?

[Anonymous No.6155372]

>>6155364
That's part of the Touhou.

[Anonymous No.6155374]

>>6155372
is it part of the game or is it something added on?

[Anonymous No.6155382]

>>6155374
what part of "that's part of" you didn't understood?

[Anonymous No.6155407]

>>6155382
im not gay

[Anonymous No.6155462]

>>6154527
I think it's ok for ps2 480i games, you can use widescreen patches for games. Wii have some 16x9 only games. This tv still much crisper for 480i/480p than lcd.

[Anonymous No.6155470]

>>6155462
is it an hd set or not?

[Anonymous No.6155478]

>>6155470
just digital sd crt tv.

[Anonymous No.6155508]

found this bad boy on my local craigslist. Fucking boomer fell for the meme.
>500 FIRM. Relics like these are from a bygone era! they easily go for 1200 dollars!
>I know what I have man. It's not like these things grow on trees, or you can find them on the side of the road or something.

[Anonymous No.6155520]

>>6155508
what are the specs on that monitor tho?

[Anonymous No.6155525]

>>6155520
1600x1200 75hz
It's not absolute shit but also nothing to write home about.

[Anonymous No.6155541]

>>6155282
>>6155318
>>6155325
plz answer

[Anonymous No.6155835]

>>6139928
eat something

[Anonymous No.6155858]

>>6155541
Aimtrak has sensors but a lot of later arcade games used them anyway. You'll have a hard time getting any original guns to work with emulation on the original game let alone others, whereas emulating a mouse pointer will work across the board. No notable difference on a CRT when properly calibrated and pointers turned off, maybe for a purist but I'm assuming not if you're already emulating :P
They're expensive but I don't often see original guns cheap and I couldn't find any reliable way to reuse something like a Gcon on PC. There are some Actlabs models floating around but only drivers are for something like Win2K

[Anonymous No.6155995]

>>6155470
No, it's purely SD albeit 100hz unless there's an option to turn that off (unlikely).

I actually had the FQ75 back when it was new. Now that was HD internally with an upscaling tech called DRC (Digital Reality Creation). It had three modes:

SD 100hz
Upscaled 50hz
Upscaled 100hz

That thing was crazy good for TV and DVDs but I imagine the lag was pretty heinous for games (which I weren't playing back then)

[Anonymous No.6156012]

>>6142442
>>6142673
Clean your room before you an hero.

[Anonymous No.6156024]

Anyone have an idea about what's going on with the right side of the screen? I replaced the capacitors on the deflection circuit to fix some bad bloom/distortion but it still looks a bit squished. Is that just shitty flatscreen tube geometry?

[Anonymous No.6156140]

>>6156024
dude, it looks great for a flat tube

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6156265]

>>6154825
You really wouldn't want to deal with how flickery that would appear if the set would even support it.
That said, that would depend entirely on how the set itself is designed. A lot of them will only sync within a certain range of resolutions, especially when dealing with NTSC/US built sets, going into free run if you go outside of that.
On one set I had been messing around with, I want to say I got as high as (supposedly) 66hz without really changing resolution much at all. On the same set, it wouldn't even drop to 58hz.

I can't help but restate that you REALLY wouldn't want to use a display that flickery. 50hz is already pretty awful at times, 45hz would be even worse.

>>6154880
>>6154902
America didn't have 120hz sets. The HDCRTs of the 00s were fixed frequency 1080i60 displays for the most part that scaled incoming signals that didn't match this.

[Anonymous No.6156491]

>>6142442
Imagine the smell. Nevermind, don't, death would be preferable.

[Anonymous No.6156675]

>>6156491
he is a genuine nice guy though, thats why I asked him to come to a chat room

>>6156265
sup kya?

[Anonymous No.6156902]

Please advise.
https://www.adverts.ie/arcade-retro/sony-14-pvm-14l2-retro-gaming-crt-professional-monitor-hq-images-below/19684036
>This is in fine condition, except for small issue with colour caused by misaligned magnets inside or something when I bought it originally happened when shipped. Not an expert, so I used a magnet externally to correct the colour on the top
>I think inside somewhere the degaussing coil moved or it needs magnets added inside to fix the colour
How complicated would a fix for this be?
200 euro seems like a really good deal where I live (everything on ebay is from the US with obscenely expensive postage). This is the first good crt monitor I've seen on adverts.ie so I feel I need to snatch it quick.

[Anonymous No.6156957]

>>6156902
Lol
No
Book a ferry to GB from Larne or Dublin, spend a weekend over there and pick up something for cheap in Manchester or Birmingham, London is too far away to bother with and is hell to navigate

[Anonymous No.6156970]

>>6156902
>>6156957
Or if you don't have a car
There are plenty of CRT ebay listings in Mainland Britain that are collection only, message a ton of the sellers asking if you can send a courier to pick it up, slow boat courier services for the wait of a 14''-20'' CRT to Ireland aren't too bad and gives you a massive market to pick from

[Anonymous No.6157006]

>>6156902
Your Kung-Fu is weak

https://www.gumtree.ie/a-tv-dvd-vision-photo/dublin/tv-s-for-free/1006095237950910285774709

https://www.gumtree.ie/a-tv-dvd-vision-photo/dublin/tv-+free/1006653591040912528091609

https://www.gumtree.ie/a-tv-dvd-vision-photo/dublin/classic-22-sony-tv/1006616772970912525632209

[Anonymous No.6157023]

>>6156902

>200 euros
>a good deal for a tiny CRT

This is your brain on the PVMeme

[Anonymous No.6157032]

>>6156024

Every new flat tube owner ever:

>Hey guys, got a flat CRT here thats a bit shy of 100% perfect, LCD tier geometry. am I doing something wrong? Can I save this?

[Anonymous No.6157052]

>>6156140
Alright, thanks. I'll get this one reassembled and call it good for now.

>>6157032
This one is a dumpster save and had a lot of bad issues I've corrected over a couple months. Just curious of if that would be a normal variance in geometry from a flatscreen tube or if would be more in line with another failing component to replace. It's not visible in games just wondering if I need to look into replacing something else before it completely fails.

[Anonymous No.6157054]

>>6155525
lol, I paid $80 for my GDM and got a Samsung that does 1600x1200 @ 75Hz for free

[Anonymous No.6157056]

>>6157032
lol it's true
>>6157052
>had a lot of bad issues I've corrected over a couple months.
Do you have before and after photos?

[Anonymous No.6157127]

>>6157054
what program is that?

[Anonymous No.6157257]

>>6157052

If you can't detect geometry issues in-game, especially menus/2d stuff, you are already in the top tier of flat CRT geometry. My crt is a 32" FV310 and I've come to accept that it will always render boxes weird in one part of the screen or another, and the corners are going to be more effort than I want to expend to bring into focus.

It's useful to remember that when these were new, their target audience was people who wanted to watch DVD's/play their 6th gen consoles over component, not people who are into staring at grids and playing super nintendo. Your set seems like it's just fine.

[Anonymous No.6157301]

I'm clearing out space and I have a bunch of CRTs I'm giving away. I'm in the Ithaca NY area if you want them.

The crown jewel of my collection is obviously the FW900. It's an FW900. You know what it is. This one works great, screen has a few slight blemishes on the coating but you can't really see it when it's turned on.

The other VGA monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 997DF, it's not as good as the FW900 but it makes for a good companion monitor. It can do up to 1920x1440. Pretty good for 4:3 stuff.

There's also a Commodore 1701, which supports composite and Y/C. I have an adapter for it that lets you plug an s-video cable into the luma/chroma ports.

Lastly, there's an apple monitor that was made for the IIGS computers. It's not good for much else but it's small and is there if you want it.

Again, they all work great and they're all free but you'll have to meet me somewhere within Ithaca NY/Tompkins County if you want them. First come first served and all that. Drop me an email if you're interested.

[Anonymous No.6157308]

>>6157301
Thought I included my email but I guess I forgot, here it is.

[Anonymous No.6157318]

>>6157301
Fuck. Email is theironneet AT gmail DOT com

[Anonymous No.6157342]

>>6157301
Shit, tempting but a 5+ hour drive.

[Anonymous No.6157356]

>>6157127
The NVidia Xorg Server configuration utility

[Anonymous No.6157370]

>>6157301
You're missing out anon. That FW900 can get you a grand on eBay. The hard part is shipping it in a way that FexEx/UPS won't shatter it.

[Anonymous No.6157390]

>>6157370
I've seen them LISTED for thousands on ebay but idk if they ever actually sell for that much. Anyway I got it for free in the first place so I'm not really concerned about getting a return on it.

[Anonymous No.6157398]

>>6157390
See >>6150062. People are actually paying thousands for one. Start an auction at $1 and it'll hit at least $500.

[Anonymous No.6157446]

>>6157301
Dump it while its hot, the FW900 breaks itself over time. Ive never seen a CRT that breaks more

[Anonymous No.6157451]

>>6157446
This, you can probably ride the meme and get $300 for it on Craigslist.

[Anonymous No.6157462]

>>6157390
based af

[Anonymous No.6157469]

What's the best way to run RGBS on a VGA monitor? I have a NEC Multisync and I want to use it for my supergun monitor for 15khz games.

[Anonymous No.6157470]

>>6157469
I'd say to make a line doubler but lightguns don't work with that.

[Anonymous No.6157728]

>>6157470
I don't need it to work with light guns.

Do I need something like an OSSC or is there something simpler out there that doesn't cost as much?

[Anonymous No.6157756]

>>6157728
OSSC is overkill. You just need a device that takes each scanline and outputs it twice. The CRT can compensate for this but in the end you get the scan frequency to 31khz.

[Anonymous No.6157948]

>>6157728
>>6157756
there aren't anything cheaper than OSSC. All the other options are XRGB devices that are more expensive.

[Anonymous No.6157981]

>>6157948
retrotink2x is a lot cheaper than ossc

[Anonymous No.6157986]

>>6157981
that doesnt support RGBS

[Anonymous No.6158007]

>>6157986
you can laglessly transcode rgbs to component for relatively cheap.

[Anonymous No.6158069]

>>6158007
SCART to component transcoder + retrotink is going to cost the same as OSSC or more

[Anonymous No.6158171]

>>6158069
come to think of it you're right. plus both will need an hdmi to vga converter as well which bumps up the cost even more. gbs8200 with gbscontrol would be best I think.

[Anonymous No.6158595]

Reminder that Pi4 can do RGB via Lakka. You can also manually install RetroPie on top of Raspbian if you don't want to deal with the shitty Retroarch UI.
https://mega.nz/#F!21JGnKRR!o845BW9kDYBNj0LIdgO6DQ
You'll want these too.

>>6156012
Why would I kill myself? My life is better than ever now. You must be one of those brainwashed incels who think everything comes down to how attractive you are, LOL.

[Anonymous No.6158624]

>>6143325
Anon I've thought about it and I feel bad. If you still want to extend the invitation I'll accept it.
Marine#1789

[Anonymous No.6158676]

>>6158595
Isn't that achieved with other addon anyways?

[Anonymous No.6158690]

>>6158676
RGB? Yes. I use RGB-Pi, which is a GPIO to SCART cable.
You can also use RetroTink, which also uses GPIO, but the best you'll get from that is component.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5OYYTOO8xM

[Anonymous No.6158924]

>>6158690
How do you connect a scart end to american tv?
the inputs on old crts are svideo, composite and rf!

[Anonymous No.6159007]

I was moving my CRT monitor to rearrange some things. I'm not sure what I might have done to it but now I can't get it to work.
Monitor says it's working. But I plug it into my PC via VGA and get a message saying the USB hub exceeded its power limit, and the USB ports stop working entirely. I plug it into a HDMI-VGA converter, and the converter's power indicator flashes off and on.
It's like the monitor is trying to draw too much power or something. Can anyone help me to understand this?

[Anonymous No.6159015]

>>6158924
I use a PVM. I have a SCART -> BNC adapter.

[Anonymous No.6159023]

>>6159007
What is saying your USB hub exceeded its power limit? Your computer?
Either way it sounds like your monitor is either shorting out, out it has a blown capacitor or something. The USB hub isn't the problem. The VGA port on your monitor is an input only. Your monitor cannot communicate with anything else, it can only take in signals from the in input ports.

[Anonymous No.6159025]

>>6158924
You can also just buy RetroTink

[Anonymous No.6159028]

Are there any flat screen CRTs which have zero overscan?

[Anonymous No.6159031]

>>6159023
>What is saying your USB hub exceeded its power limit? Your computer?
Yes. I plug in the monitor to the VGA port on the motherboard and the USB ports stop working.

>>6159023
>your monitor is either shorting out, out it has a blown capacitor or something.
What can I do about this? Why would moving it delicately to the floor and back onto a desk cause this to happen after years of it working perfectly fine

[Anonymous No.6159041]

>>6159031
Try different computers. Chances are anything you plug into the VGA port won't work. I don't know enough about electrical circuits to know if your CRT is recoverable or not. Hopefully someone else is.

[Anonymous No.6159056]

>>6159041
I plugged it into a VGA-HDMI converter too and that wasn't working either

[Anonymous No.6159075]

>>6159025
don't buy retrochink's converter. get linuxbot3000's instead.

[Anonymous No.6159197]

>>6159075
Link? I don't need one now, but I want one just in case I ever have to go back to a consumer CRT.

>>6159056
Nothing else to test with?

[Anonymous No.6159203]

>>6159197
Nevermind, I'm a tranny and I found it using Google

[Anonymous No.6159205]

>>6159197
>Nothing else to test with?
My only other PC doesn't have a HDD right now.
When I turn the monitor on and it's not plugged into anything, the "Monitor is Working" display shows up, for what it's worth

[Anonymous No.6159250]

>>6159205
If the CRT itself actually works that's a very promising sign.
You could always open up and see if there's any obvious shorts, or bad caps. You need to be very careful though, the big red cable in pic related can kill you at worst, or harm you badly at best.
Really don't touch anything without knowing what it is. You could easily touch the power supply and get a bad zap as well, which may even be enough to kill the monitor completely.

[Anonymous No.6159280]

>>6159250
I don't trust myself to open it up but thanks for the tips
maybe moping a bit more will help

[Anonymous No.6159369]

Hey /crt/, does anyone here know how to span an image across four CRTs? I want to do Goldeneye multiplayer with no screenlooking, and I'd rather not resort to just covering up the opponents' portions of the screen. I've definitely seen this done before, but I'm not sure if I'd need professional equipment or if it's perhaps possible by changing service menu settings. Google wasn't much help, so I'm looking for someone to help point me in the right direction. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6159378]

>>6159369
Are you sure they weren't emulating the game?

[Anonymous No.6159396]

>>6159205
It seems like the monitor works which is why you're getting that message. It's generated internally. Either your graphics card is broken or the monitor video cable is broken somewhere. Less likely is the video board in the monitor.

[Anonymous No.6159407]

>>6159378
It wasn't Goldeneye, I'm just saying that I've seen a full video displayed on a mosaic of CRTs before. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that the image was split on the fly using some sort of processor. It's pretty likely that they just took the video and cropped it into fourths beforehand, then sent each edited video as a separate signal to its corresponding CRT to create the full picture. I'm not sure, I'm just speculating based on what I've seen and the limited information I could find

[Anonymous No.6159413]

FUCK PVM/BVMs! I just spent much of the last three weekends driving around half my state looking for a good one and this is what I found:
-A PVM with a bad tube and power supply
-A PVM with broken deflection controls
-A PVM that was great for a few days until the tube shorted
-A BVM which looked great until I put it in a dark room and saw burn in on the screen
I just wanted a nice PVM bros... Do I have to spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on ebay to get a fully functioning one?

[Anonymous No.6159449]

>>6159075
this one?
The guy didn't post a front picture so I'm not sure about it!

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6159482]

>>6156675
soup

>>6159407
You're looking for some sort of video wall processor. You're going to be introducing some level of delay to this no matter what, and if you're trying to use original hardware, it's also going to look like complete ass.
Emulation would likely make things simpler, but it's still gonna be a pain to get right.

>>6159449
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174151197805
Yes, that's the one. 15khz RGBHV from the PC on one side, S-Video spat out the other.
This is a photo of an older revision from the same seller. I've poked them to see if they can get a photo of the other side for you.

[Anonymous No.6159502]

>>6159413
Just buy an actually nice consumer grade CRT and forget about the PVMeme's

[Anonymous No.6159524]

>>6159502
I wish I could but I don't think I can go back to TVs after seeing PVMs in action. The one I got that shorted was the best looking monitor for 240p-480i content I've ever seen. Too bad it's a paperweight now.

[Anonymous No.6159570]

>>6159482
>15khz RGBHV from the PC on one side, S-Video spat out the other.
VGA is 30kHz though. Would this even work with a ThinkPad for example?

[Anonymous No.6159617]

Did CRT reach its peak capabilities or could it have continued to be developed?

[Anonymous No.6159639]

>>6159617
The only meaningful development would have been widescreen. HD CRTs were digital like modern LCDs, so CRTs had been past their peak by the time they were replaced. Late, flat screen CRTs tend to be worse than curved screens even, especially curved Trinitons.
Regardless CRTs have low contrast in anything but pitch black rooms, inherently imperfect geometry, inherent gaussian blur, and had a practical size limit that simply couldn't be broken due to how bulky they'd be.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.6159652]

>>6159570
Depending on the context of the conversation, VGA can be referring to a connector, a signal, or a resolution; Sometimes all at once, other times only one.
In this case, an HD15 "VGA" connector is being used to accept RGBHV "VGA" signal that is being sent at a non-VGA resolution.
Depending on the hardware (and OS) your Thinkpad has on it will make it more or less difficult to get it to output the resolution you want. Dedicated GPU and Windows can be workable; Intel GMA shit will be "fun" to work with.

Linux with xrandr or a distro specifically setup for 15khz vidya emulation will work just fine, relatively regardless of GPU availability. The very limited messing around with it I did years ago had no issue getting Intel GMA shit (945 if I remember correctly) to spit out 15khz.

>>6159617
>>6159639
Getting much finer of a mask was also getting damn difficult at that point as well, so outside of some radical change to using a monochrome tube and an external filter for color, you wouldn't have been able to get much higher in terms of resolution either.

[Anonymous No.6159674]

>>6159449
The VGA side is exactly the same as the component-VGA ones, just a different sticker, proper photos soon™

[Anonymous No.6160119]

>>6159674
>>6159482
>>6159449
Ok I have the following
i5 9600k
zota geforce gtx 1660Ti 6gb
16gb ram ddr4
what do I need to connect my pc to my tv and play some old school games?
also and rpi3 and pi2scart
ancient crt 32 inch apex tv, (Svideo, composite and rf)
that I want to use as old school gaming monitor

[Anonymous No.6160187]

>>6159652
>a distro specifically setup for 15khz vidya emulation
Those exist?

[Anonymous No.6160989]

>>6160187
I think he means setting up your own install from a minimal install.

[Anonymous No.6161023]

Is RGB-Pi SCART a good way to connect my R Pi to my Phillips CRT TV?

[Anonymous No.6161106]

>>6159674
I searched online and found this!
to normal svideo, however is for europe not NTSC! the device you posted from ebay accepts NTSC signals? also what cable do i need to go from normal scart(the rectangle 21 pins box) to that rgbvga input?

[Anonymous No.6161251]

Shit picture I know, Got this for 4$ at Value Village. Had some fun with it.

[Anonymous No.6161283]

>>6161251
That's pretty cute, anon, what kind of inputs does it have?

I keep wanting to nab one of those little 5-8 inch PVMs just so I can daisy-chain it to my big one. But I honestly don't have a reason to do it other than because I could. And as the PVMeme continues to grow, even those little ones are getting stupid expensive, so it's getting harder to justify.

[Anonymous No.6161292]

>>6161251
Oh dude I had no idea they came in black. I'm a big fan of mine but it sure does have some issues. Circa 1985, it's a 5' tube with composite in only. Got a VTR on the back too. It's more a novelty than anything else but nice for practicing hard games lag-free in my tiny room where my large tubes don't fit.

[Anonymous No.6161308]

Every time I think this place is the worst, I pop over to reddit to be proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.6161403]

>>6161308
it used to be a nice place...like 3 years ago when the sub count was 5k...

[Anonymous No.6161406]

>>6161283
VGA monitors plus an adapter make way more sense than shelling out for a PVMeme anyways

[Anonymous No.6161416]

>>6161406
cope

[Anonymous No.6161482]

>>6161416
Not that guy but how does using a superior tube amount to cope?

[Anonymous No.6161514]

>>6161482
because he's actually picrel

[Anonymous No.6161518]

>>6161514
Reminder CRT projectors are still used by home theater enthusiasts and "videophiles" for their superior image quality.

[Anonymous No.6161532]

>>6161518
pain in the ass to set up and move though, bought mine for ten and sold it for 400

[Anonymous No.6161535]

>>6161518
I own two crt projectors so I'm personally well aware of it. The real reminder is that you're a fucking retard if you use them for gaming.

[Anonymous No.6161541]

>>6161532
How often do you move your home theater setup?

[Anonymous No.6161543]

>>6161541
only took me one time to sell it

[Anonymous No.6161553]

>>6161023
If you have SCART yes. You need to learn about CRT timings though.

[Anonymous No.6161560]

>>6161518
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.6161563]

>>6161560
http://www.curtpalme.com
These guys still sell new/refurbished tubes and other projector parts. Seems that people serious about the at-home movie experience know what they're doing.

[Anonymous No.6161571]

>>6161563
mr. palme got rid of the majority of his crt stock and moved onto reel to reel last year. he was basically giving stuff away if you paid for shipping. the forums are still active and there's other people but mr. palme is essentially out of the crt game unless it's shit like a g90 or cine 9.

[Anonymous No.6161965]

I just picked up a CRT monitor for my mame setup. Do I need to run 320x240 120hz with BF insertion or keep 640x480 and use an interlacing/scanline shader?

I mainly play 240p shmups.

[Anonymous No.6162050]

So how do I figure out a CRT's "resolution" if I can't find the datasheet?

I know the TV is 50hz and mid-late 90's and a black consumer grade trinitron

From looking about it most likely tops out at around 480i right?

[Anonymous No.6162238]

>>6162050

All consumer SD CRT TV sets are 15khz, ie 240p/480i. Later model HD crts iirc are digitally driven so they have input delay and scale everything to their native res of 1080 or w/e so they are not good choices for /vr/

[Anonymous No.6162242]

>>6161965

BFI is for motion handling. All CRTs have ideal motion handling. Just apply whatever shaders or scanline filters to your taste and go nuts.

[Anonymous No.6162246]

>>6162238
Cool, thanks

[Anonymous No.6162260]

>>6162242
bfi in this context is because you need to run 240p at 120hz to reach 31khz so you're drawing double frames. this leads to ghosting and jerkiness. so you run bfi to blank the second frames.

[Anonymous No.6162372]

>>6161965
480p60 looks much better than 240p with BFI imo. If you can't run super resolutions just use 480p60.

[Anonymous No.6162457]

>>6161965
>BF insertion

A CRT monitor won't display 15kHz, you can only run at a minimum of 640x480, no 240p. Get a regular CRT TV, a VGA to SCART cable and configure GroovyMAME.

[Anonymous No.6162461]

>>6162457
what part of 120hz did you not understand

[Anonymous No.6162469]

>>6162461
First, good luck finding a CRT PC monitor that supports 120Hz at any res, second learn 2 read.

[Anonymous No.6162515]

>>6162469
Most CRT monitors support 240p what are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.6162516]

>>6162469
you're either trolling or a moron who has no right to be in this conversation.

[Anonymous No.6162525]

>>6162469
320x240@120Hz is a 30kHz resolution. It's twice the frames of 320x240@60Hz, a 15kHz resolution.

[Anonymous No.6162526]

>>6162469
GOOD LUCK I'M BEHIND 120HZ !

[Anonymous No.6163272]

On the topic of BFI, it seems like LG's OLED sets for this year are getting 120hz BFI as a feature, and finally being made smaller than 55 with a 48 entering the lineup. Does anyone here have experience with /vr/ related stuff on OLED? I want to be excited but I feel like flat panels always end up disappointing in one aspect or another for old games

[Anonymous No.6163275]

>>6163272
You ideally want an OLED that can do rolling scan instead.
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/
The end result will look similar, just with less lag.

[Anonymous No.6163283]

>>6163275

Are there any non-pro monitors that will do that? Also I thought turning on BFI doesn't impact input delay, if that's what you're referring to by lag

[Anonymous No.6163296]

>>6163283
BFI is running a 60hz signal at 120hz, while making every other frame pure black.
Rolling scan only shows a portion of the image at any given time, with the rest of the screen being black. It does this so fast that your persistence of vision makes it look like a full image.
Rolling scan is closer to a CRT, which only displays a dot at any given given time. The fact that both are mostly displaying a black screen at a frozen point in time is why they have little to no motion blurring.
It's entirely possible, and may even be the case that what your TV labels as "black frame insertion" is actually a rolling scan. Either way BFI should look basically just as good on OLED as a rolling scan, you'll just have the normal input lag you'd expect with a modern display.

[Anonymous No.6164080]

Have I done better this time?

Trinitron KV29K5U, also free, only 3 miles away this time

[Anonymous No.6164115]

>>6164080
Endgame set desu.

[Anonymous No.6164146]

>>6164080
Literal cream of the crop TV right there. You did good anon.

[Anonymous No.6164197]

>>6161965
So, I'm not having much luck forcing my CRT monitor to 120hz. I dont think it supports it and I cant find any info on it. Its a Proton GM 1771 (all they had) I picked up at the goodwill for 5 bucks.

It list 85 hz as max in settings and I have tried using CRU to set custom 320x240 120hz but it is not giving me the option to select it after restarting. The PC im trying it on has had some issues in the past so it may be at fault.

I tried it at 480p with retroarchs interlacing shader and jt looks a bit nicer but it darkens it a lot. The monitor isnt very bright to begin with. So I dont really like this.

Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.6164293]

>>6164197
Try just using 480p60. Sounds like EDID is interfering with things otherwise. If it isn't very bright then using black frame insertion for 120hz is going to look far too dark anyway.

[Anonymous No.6164321]

>>6164197
I've found that sometimes you need to use a super-resolution to get it working, something like 1920x240 or even 3840x240

[Anonymous No.6164518]

>>6164293
Yeah there is an option to disable EDID in catalyst control center but it doesnt seem to help. You make a good point about BFI.

>>6164321
I will give this a try.

[Anonymous No.6164586]

>>6164321
Can confirm. My monitor supports vertical refresh from 48 to 160 Hz but for 240p I need to use 2560x240 and then it'll do 120Hz.

[Anonymous No.6164624]

Reminder slot mask tubes are generally best for vintage games.

Only zoomer consoomers prefer the aperture grille gimmick universally.

[Anonymous No.6164631]

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

[Anonymous No.6164636]

>>6164631
Almost anything has issues and flaws

[Anonymous No.6164658]

>>6164631
Fuck off zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6164675]

>>6164631
>4:3 is bad
Shoo shoo Hollywood mafia

[Anonymous No.6164719]

>>6164631
>zooming this hard

[Anonymous No.6164816]

>CRT monitor out of commission
>think about playing some older PC games
>get depressed at the thought of having to play them with scaling on my LCD
How do people who play /vr/ games live without CRTs? How are you supposed to play games at 640x480 or 800x600 and not have them look like shit?

[Anonymous No.6164916]

>>6164816
You set it to windowed at an integer scale. On a 4K monitor that means 2560x1920 for 480p games.

[Anonymous No.6164934]

>>6164916
Crisp pixels look bad without the screen door effect provided by a CRT running at low res

[Anonymous No.6164950]

>>6164934
Still better than the blurry shit you'd get running it on full screen.

[Anonymous No.6165357]

>>6164636
>>6164658
>>6164675
>>6164719
>replying to copypasta bait that is literally 6 years old

[Anonymous No.6165370]

>>6164934
Kind of agree. I've never been a sperg about MUH SCANLINES but they do play an important role in giving a bit of texture to otherwise flat colors.

[Anonymous No.6165405]

>>6151447
Thanks. I think I have superpowers now!

[Anonymous No.6166176]

I'm in a bit of a pickle trying to build an emubox here. Tried looking for the awnser on google but couldn't find anything. Even if I'm using an old GPU with VGA/DVI-I out and CRT_emudrive, do I still need and in the middle converter or can I just use a X to Y cable (VGA to Component for exemple)?

[Anonymous No.6166203]

I'm in a bit of a pickle trying to build an emubox here. Tried looking for the awnser on google but couldn't find anything. Even if I'm using an old GPU with VGA/DVI-I out and CRT_emudrive, do I still need and in the middle converter or can I just use a X to Y cable (VGA to Composite for exemple)?

[Anonymous No.6166358]

>>6166203
VGA is an RGB cable with wires for both Horizontal and Vertical sync. There are no (passive) cables that can take VGA and output composite. Any cables that exist like that are for hardware which can output a composite signal over a VGA cable.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-VGA-to-NTSC-S-video-and-composite-transcoder-encoder/174151197805
This might work for what you want, but I don't own one at the moment.

[Anonymous No.6166792]

Now that I have a CRT tv, I need a CRT monitor for my computer

Can I use a HDMI to VGA converter without issue or does it introduce problems?

I've used a converter in the past with an old dell 4:3 office LCD, not sure if it would have adverse effects on input lag or anything

I don't have the space or budget for a dedicated emulation box so I'd prefer to use my main machine with my 1060

I'd probably be looking at a 768p monitor going off what's showing up in gumtree around here

[Anonymous No.6166959]

>>6166792
HDMI to VGA is fine if you're not going for crazy high resolutions.

[Anonymous No.6166968]

>>6142442
>>6142673
95% sure you're KevinDDR

[Anonymous No.6166985]

Apologies if this is obvious an obvious question: does converting composite (or component) to VGA introduce input latency? My only CRT displays are VGA monitors and unfortunately not all consoles have official VGA support like the Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.6166987]

>>6166792
>Can I use a HDMI to VGA
Does your computer not have a VGA out? I bought a video card just a few years ago that has HDMI and VGA. But yeah, even a cheapo converter would probably be fine.

[Anonymous No.6166995]

>>6166985
converting any sd signal to vga (assuming you mean literally vga, as in 480p) will introduce latency as you need to scale or linedouble it. linedoubling is pretty damn quick though. component to vga with a 480p signal is completely lagless though, as long as you get a good transcoder and not some chinkshit.
>>6166987
he said he has a 1060, lrn2read.
>>6166792
go with dp to vga instead. there's much better options out there like the delock 62967.

[Anonymous No.6167002]

>>6166995
>linedoubling is pretty damn quick though.
So even if this takes place, would you estimate that in total I'd probably have less lag than I would on a cheap 2009 LCD?

[Anonymous No.6167006]

>>6167002
yes because anything that is scaling an sd signal is going to be deinterlacing then scaling it. this means that you can only have at bare minimum like 2 frames of lag, usually more. you should just emulate on the vga monitor instead of falling for the real hardware meme.

[Anonymous No.6167038]

>>6166995
It should be possible to it line-by-line without waiting for the whole frame, or not?

[Anonymous No.6167067]

>>6167038
a comb filter can do that sure but it's still an interlaced output. with deinterlacing you absolutely need to wait for both fields and then the added time for scaling.

[Anonymous No.6167109]

>>6138246
I am temporarily moving for work. At the earliest I will be back late fall or next winter at the latest. I don't want to take my CRTs and I was thinking about keeping them in my family's storage unit. It's one of those outdoor rental units with a pull door garage type door. Will they be safe in here from cold/moisture or should I splurge on climate controlled storage?

[Anonymous No.6167112]

>>6167109
I kept a pc monitor in my garage through manitoba fall, winter, and some of spring. It worked just fine when I brought it back in despite the temperature going down to -30c at some points. just make sure you let it acclimate to the inside temperature when you take them back inside.

[Anonymous No.6167197]

>>6161406
Is it easy to convert RGBS/Component to VGA? Actually struggled to find a whole lot of info and didn't think I had many options other than Chinese signal converters.
Monitor takes VGA 75Ohm 0.7VP-P (31K/38K) and a Molex with RGB (HV or CSYNC) which does 15K/24K but it's 470Ohm 2.2VP-P which doesn't seem standard and I can't work out if I'll send too strong of a signal? I was just going to fiddle with an LM1881 or EL1883 to try to work out the sync for VGA (I know how to make a safe signal for that)

[Anonymous No.6167261]

>>6167109
As long as it doesn't condense you should be fine. That means no PMS weather where it's freezing one day and blistering hot the next.

[Anonymous No.6167343]

>>6138246

[Anonymous No.6167365]

>>6159413
My BVM broke on its own, so much for "high quality parts" made to last more than consumer sets.

[Anonymous No.6167436]

>>6164197
D'uh I was right in warning you about most monitors not supporting those res modes. 320x240 @120kHz looks like trash too. Just get a normal CRT TV and a VGA to SCART cable, make sure you get a compatible and a good Radeon card with native VGA connector, there's guides online teaching how to configure the ATI drivers and enjoy the glory of 15kHz.

[Anonymous No.6167540]

>>6157301
Anyone bite on this yet?

[Anonymous No.6167967]

>>6167365
This is unavoidable when using electrolytic capacitors.

[Anonymous No.6168002]

>>6167197
It's probably easier to just buy a VGA cable for whatever console you want to use.
If it's an older console you'll need an RGB mod (if the hardware can't do it normally) and then you'd want something like a SCART or BNC to VGA cable. But even then you might run into problems because the RGB may use composite sync, while VGA has a wire for Hsync and another for Vsync.

[Anonymous No.6168131]

>>6167436
No SCART tv. I would need a vga to scart cable and then a scart to component transcoder. Ive looked into doing all that but dont know if its worth all the hassle and expense.

I could also get a CRT that can be RGB modded to cut out out the transcoder but again that seems like more of a hassle than its worth.

I can experience 240p on my Wii but so far the difference isnt that substantial to warrant a ton of time and money.

[Anonymous No.6168308]

Why are the NES pixels not aligned with the screen's
Why are there no scanlines
I have so many questions
(it's a Magnavox 1337 w101, don't try finding anything about it because apparently no one knows what they are)

[Anonymous No.6168326]

>>6168308
NES pixels have a weird jagged effect on edges by default
Also, the scanlines aren't very visible since it's a normal consumer TV and it's small so the lines are packed very close.

[Anonymous No.6168327]

>>6168308
the screen doesn't have pixels. the mask and phosphors are not pixels. there's no scanlines cause it's an incredibly low end tv and scanlines were never considered to be desirable until modern times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6tw-gulnQ

[Anonymous No.6168574]

>>6168308
TVs don't show visible scanlines because they're designed to only show a single resolution. Only high-res monitors have blanks between lines on low-res video.

[Anonymous No.6168832]

>>6168574
>TVs don't show visible scanlines
Of course they do. TVs were expected to run 480i. 240p works because the video signal outputs frames to a single set of scanlines, either odd or even. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.6168847]

>>6168002
The HV sync to CSYNC is my main issue. Not /vr/ but first is an Xbox 1.6 where I can't get VGA out natively, only RGB or ideally component (will allow 480P) but need to convert the sync. Will also do a PS2 which is similar ballpark, want RGB but need the sync sorted.
All I can think to try is feeding clean CSYNC to HSYNC, or I think an EL1883 will do CSYNC to HVSYNC but can't work out if I need extra components for it to work correctly. The VGA header is ideal since the other header is limited to EGA resolution at highest.

[Anonymous No.6170137]

what a loser i am... this heavy, space-killer, piece of junk is almost half dying... and finally find a repair guy, he just looked up and said, the issue is from "decode board" (literally translated from my native language, so still don't know what officially english name is). yeah, the front small one has mitsubishi logo in the picture. he gently keep knocking in the front of this board by using screwdriver, and the screen immediately showed up/closed down of a piece of horizontal normal display, piece by piece (in sometimes, if get very lucky, it suddenly showed up the full normal display and keep it); otherwise it just full black display while the screen/power is always on and working.

so he want to take off the board, and found it really hard to take down, he quick give up and also say, even he take off the board, this "decode board" is out of his level...

shit, i still want to fix it... since the whole monitor is fine, especially the brightness is pretty new and bright. and most importantly is that it's my virgin shot... just can't be dead in this way... i mean if there was something like the tube part borken or dead, i sure face it and let go, than move on, pick another.

there are a few guys told me, in mitsubishi diamondtron, you shouldn't pick in 90s early modules (say power/overheating issues, massive x-ray radiation), should pick the lately, those made in late 2000s.

[Anonymous No.6170147]

>>6081681
>>6081683
>>6086020
thanks all of you guys, it does the cable issue. and i do have a dock, why i have a one? oh i remember i unironically used to fell the /g/ thinkpad meme.
being a lazy ass recently, sorry to this late to reply. since the thread is keep rolling.

[Anonymous No.6170298]

>>6170137
Well, ask in mailach(2ch) in their crt threads, if you are Russian or throw out this garbage, find another. The price is ok now usually for monitors in Russia.

[Anonymous No.6170573]

>>6170147
>220V written in pen next to the 100V
seems legit

[Anonymous No.6170605]

How heavy is 15-27'' crt monitor without speakers going to be?

I'm looking for one but I don't have much deskspace, I'd have to give up one of my regular monitors to fit it in
I have an all steel pc case, could I sit it on top of that or would it hurt the pc?

I literally only remember them being too heavy for young me to lift easily but that was like 2 decades ago now

[Anonymous No.6170637]

>>6170605
*15-17''

[Anonymous No.6170651]

>>6170637
45 to 55 pounds
If you can't lift that up a flight of stairs I've got bad news for you.

[Anonymous No.6170691]

>>6170651
When I was 6 years old?
Oddly enough a bit too much for me

[Anonymous No.6170818]

Is there a good repository of CRT schematics? I got a nice panasonic with component in for free but the geometry is a little wonky. Heard that replacing caps is probably the way to go for these consumer sets.

[Anonymous No.6170829]

Can anyone tell my why I have no picture on RCA input but I have picture on RCABNC adapter?
BVM

[Anonymous No.6170940]

>>6170818
Before you go in there and risk killing yourself look and see if your TV has a service menu. If it's made after the turn of the century chances are it will.

[Anonymous No.6171008]

>>6170829
Same reason your cock looks the way it does
Christ despises you