/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6130639]

Name a harder game (that isn't another shoot 'em up). You can't.

[Anonymous No.6130645]

Ghosts n Goblins

[Anonymous No.6130653]

>>6130645
Nope. Good try though.

[Anonymous No.6130663]

>>6130639
Truxton.
Or
Sinister
No, definitely Sinister.

[Anonymous No.6130664]

*Sinistar
And Raiden is hard as concrete fuck, but it's in another-believe or not-easier league. And no I've never beat Raiden legit.

[Anonymous No.6130668]

>>6130639
Hudson's Adventure Island

[Anonymous No.6130674]

>>6130639
I played the first Raiden and it had checkpoints for when you died, but then I'm seeing videos of the game with the instant-respawn of the sequels. Was there two versions or a dip-switch that controlled how you restarted from a lost life?

[Anonymous No.6130676]

Pic related

[Anonymous No.6130682]

>>6130674
Later versions and regions remove the checkpoints, but Raiden 1 is supposed to be played with them.

[Anonymous No.6130690]

>>6130674
Original japan version is with check points. The later world revisions emoved check points (and they don't count and are fake and gay.)

[Anonymous No.6130705]

Battletoads

[Anonymous No.6130706]

>>6130639
Game of life.

[Anonymous No.6130712]

>difficult is inherently good
>in the era where romhacks and custom maps became ubiquitous
Autists latch onto this like a deity. The truth is nobody wants to play your mathematically difficult game because it's bland and not fun blind.

[Anonymous No.6130714]

Final Fight if we are only talking about Raiden's first loop

[Anonymous No.6130715]

>>6130712
Raiden was one of the most popular shmups at the time and is still very well respected by older players, unlike easier shmups you could 1cc blind.

[Anonymous No.6130724]

>>6130715
Shmups are trash for trannies. Nobody plays your godawful genre, it exists for the sole reason to cream yourself because of the le-so-many-bullets-soooo-hard factor

[Anonymous No.6130730]

>>6130724
>difficult is inherently good
Difficulty isn't sufficient in itself to make a game good, but it's a necessary part of all good games with good replay value.
>>6130712
>being mentally scarred by shmups
I love it.

[Anonymous No.6130731]

>>6130714
Final Fight on hardest dips you mean?

[Anonymous No.6130735]

>>6130730
Here's your (You), animefaggot. There's absolutely nothing good about autistic shmuptranny past time known as shmups.

[Anonymous No.6130738]

>>6130731
Doesn't make that much of a difference

[Anonymous No.6130739]

>>6130724
>Shmups are trash for trannies.
Projection. Trannies enjoy trash like Nintendo, JRPGs and such. Shmups are too manly for their feeble, effeminate minds.

[Anonymous No.6130740]

>>6130724
Raiden doesn't have that many bullets, it's all about tricky enemy positioning and dodging lightning fast bullets with a huge ship hitbox and slow speed

[Anonymous No.6130748]

>>6130739
>said balding crippled pillow tranny

[Anonymous No.6130753]

>>6130735
that guy's a touhou faggot. he doesn't represent real shmup players.

[Anonymous No.6130758]

>>6130740
>genre that takes no skill just bashing head against the wall until eyes get used to bullshit nonsense without any strategy to it
This is what caused nihilistic wasting of youth, instead of picking useful skills you just sink hundreds of hours into something devs shat out in 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6130759]

>>6130748
>grasping for straws so hard that you're calling normal guys trannies and cripples now

[Anonymous No.6130760]

>>6130748
balding is a sigh of high test and high dht, things trannies want to annihilate in their bodies due to mental illness.

>>6130735
>2KB jpg
Ummm sweety....

[Anonymous No.6130763]

>>6130758
It takes a huge amount of skill, and a lot of strategy as well at higher levels. I understand that this is quite difficult to grasp at your level though.

[Anonymous No.6130764]

>>6130759
>not calling out a pillow biter for what it is
Yeah nah, pillow cripple

[Anonymous No.6130769]

>>6130758
what games do you play? you're on a gaming forum after all, is shitposting here a useful skill?

[Anonymous No.6130770]

>>6130763
>stolen route from japanese runner is """"strategy""""
you're such a liar it's pathetic

[Anonymous No.6130773]

>>6130764
Dude's got a girlfriend, why you projecting bro?

[Anonymous No.6130775]

>>6130773
>trannies indulging their fetishes with other trannies they present as """""girlfriends""""" is the same as a healthy life with children and family
disgusting

[Anonymous No.6130778]

>>6130770
First off every player has his own routes even if they watch others, second off it takes a lot of indepth game knowledge and experience to understand the routes you're copying, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Lastly, name a single genre where players don't learn from other, better players.

[Anonymous No.6130779]

>>6130773
Two possibilities.
he's a burned out ex-player, or a tranny.
Ex player trying to cope with quitting and now playing casual shit that doesn't really interest him, but passes the time.
or tranny just mad and psychotic in general, taking a break from leveling up his MMO toon.

[Anonymous No.6130781]

>>6130778
Lying piece of shit you steal route off good japan players and then spend 1000s of hours grinding while shitposting tranny fetishes and depression on discord you disgusting freak. theres absolutely no skill involved in the retardation you indulge in, its all just a mindless time sink that requires """""natural"""""" skill you highly pride yourself on but what is in reality a degenerate wasting of your youth, skills that any dishwasher can compare to.

[Anonymous No.6130782]

>>6130779
An ex-player would be more knowledgeable about the genre at large, this shit reeks of psychosis and he's been at it for months.

[Anonymous No.6130785]

>>6130781
Lmao calm down, learning from your betters is natural in any game and more so in any hobby, and routes have to be adjusted for your level of skill and knowledge. Humans aren't robots, we can't perfectly memorize such complex strings of inputs and execute them every time. To top it off there's a lot of rng in bullet hell patterns, which you're complaining about. But lastly what's this about "natural skill"? You don't need talent to get to a good level in shmups (though the absolute highest levels may require it), most players promote commitment and smart play, not just being talented.

[Anonymous No.6130786]

>>6130781
>raging at shmups & insane ramblings
damn, I'm thinking we're back

[Anonymous No.6130790]

>>6130785
>Lmao calm down
Back to your transition discord, tranny. You don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.6130794]

>>6130790
>no response
>goes back to seething about trannies
Stay mad faggot

[Anonymous No.6130796]

>>6130790
>grrr why are these trannies better than me at hard games!
>IT'S. NOT. FAIR!

[Anonymous No.6130797]

>>6130786
>Boomer memes
Spotted the transitioning zoomer. Why are you here? Is it the combination of being a coomer and a shmup tranny that degenerated your dopamine receptors? You are a shell of a person.

[Anonymous No.6130798]

>>6130796
This is why you are looked down upon. Your skills are nothing but a result of 100s of hours of devolving into a pathetic grind monkey. anyone could do what you do. anyone.

[Anonymous No.6130803]

>>6130798
What a retarded anti-skill attitude. Anyone could do most things that don't go outside human ability, the more you do something while actively trying to improve the better you become, it's the essence of skill. You wouldn't come up to a performer, artist or cook and devalue their ability by saying anyone could do it if they practiced no? At least I hope you wouldn't, because THAT would be the true tranny mentality, shunning effort and using whatever excuses you can find to downplay the ability of others.

[Anonymous No.6130805]

>>6130798
Except you, because you lack commitment and perseverance.

[Anonymous No.6130806]

>>6130803
>prides himself on being good at a throwaway creatively empty genre
>doesn't see the ridiculousness in it
This is why you degenerated into a pathetic simpleton, the repetition rotted away the last remnants of your dwindling braincells

[Anonymous No.6130807]

>>6130753
but he represents *most* shmup players.

>>6130653
fuck off, no one asked you.

[Anonymous No.6130808]

>>6130806
I don't play shmups that much, my main hobbies are creative. I don't see anything particularly wrong with committing to video games though, we don't really choose our passions in some kind of bizarre cold and calculated way assessing the risks and rewards. And a lot of pursuits even creative ones are quite ridiculous, there are so many hopeless musicians and artists that nonetheless work hard on their craft and even make good music/art but won't get much out of it ultimately. Passion towards hobbies is often a bit absurd, and even insane.

[Anonymous No.6130809]

Touhou is objectively the pinnacle of SHMUP because that's anyone into shmups can aspire to, infinitely practiced repetition that becomes second nature. Dadshit players will at least quit while they're ahead, stop playing after experiencing the most popular shmups. But what remains are the nihilistic monsters of the genre who will incessantly propagate their pride to continue the process of wasting away. It's the same thing as mastering a Rubik's cube, there's no practicality to it, but they will continue do it, they will continue to degenerate.

[Anonymous No.6130817]

>another day, another episode of /vr/ jarpigs seething at shmupchads

[Anonymous No.6130827]

>>6130809
Touhou is babby's first tranmaku before they decide to move onto the big boi shit like Cave.

[Anonymous No.6130840]

>>6130817
their frustration only motivates me to get better at shmups.

[Anonymous No.6130856]

>>6130758
>capping all this to post on 4chan
You're a sad littler person aren't you?

[Anonymous No.6130948]

I'm retarded but want to get into shmups
Is there a big pack of up to date roms and shit of worthwhile shmups?

[Anonymous No.6130954]

>>6130948
https://mega.nz/#!mlwG3ZCJ!NMdWxNY4pjqc1vFGwzyPIbtGor0GHObcfENNMgOQW1s
This has a lot of them together with shmupmame. Pic related is a list sorted by difficulty with higher level being more difficult

[Anonymous No.6130970]

Reminder the essence of shmups is pic related.

[Anonymous No.6130971]

>>6130954
Thanks anon,time to start the autism
Is it possible to add roms to it? I was pretty interested in Mushihimesama Futari

[Anonymous No.6130972]

>>6130971
Some yes, but it's an old version of MAME that doesn't support newer games. You want the latest MAME for Futari

[Anonymous No.6130978]

>He's not a triple Shmupchad, RTSChad and FightingChad

[Anonymous No.6130979]

>>6130970
Game?

[Anonymous No.6130980]

>>6130979
Under Defeat

[Anonymous No.6130981]

Getting OP a date

[Anonymous No.6130991]

Thoughts on Dodonpachi Resurrection and Blue Revolver? Looking to also get a few steam shmups

[Anonymous No.6131000]

>>6130991
Blue Revolver is really solid, the mission mode is cool and actually a good intro to some shmup fundamentals

[Anonymous No.6131001]

>>6130980
Can you play this on MAME?

[Anonymous No.6131014]

wicked art for twin cobra

[Anonymous No.6131019]

>>6131001
No, you need nulldc, demul or redream

[Anonymous No.6131026]

>>6130639
What the hell this was hard?!? I beat it on the Raiden project on PS1. Is that version supposed to be easier or what?

[Anonymous No.6131030]

>>6131026
Beating means 1cc in the context of shmups, but is Raiden Project a port of the ver with checkpoints or the one without?

[Anonymous No.6131035]

>>6131026
>raiden 1
>Easy
lol
PS1 version has no checkpoints. It has a couple easy difficulty settings as well. You probably used multiple continues to "beat it", right? Maybe played it on easier difficulty?

Try the arcade version with checkpoints, see how far you get without using continues.

[Anonymous No.6131078]

>>6130798
> "your skills are the result of practice"
No shit?

[Anonymous No.6131104]

>>6131078
don't reply to the seething schizo.

[Anonymous No.6131117]

>>6130991
This was never really supposed to be a /vr/ thread and should go back where it came from

[Anonymous No.6131123]

>>6131117
>Still seething about shmups
which one ass-blasted you this hard?
of course it's a /vr/ thread, raiden is retro as fuck.
Go cry to the jannies that someone mentioned a modern shmup.

[Anonymous No.6131126]

>>6131123
>seething
rotate in a new meme word while you're at it

[Anonymous No.6131128]

>>6131117
>Raiden
>not retro
WAT

[Anonymous No.6131134]

>>6130809
>Touhou is objectively the pinnacle of SHMUP
Close, but it's really Ikaruga, if that can even considered a shmup. Raiden is just primitive and aged terribly.

[Anonymous No.6131138]

>>6131134
What's so good about Ikaruga that cannot be found in any other shmups?

[Anonymous No.6131159]

>>6131134
>Raiden is just primitive and aged terribly.
raiden is timeless, simply doesn't age because it nails the essence of shmups extremely well
unlike modern attempts at the genre which turn into puzzle games, chaining games, or touhou which is an abomination

[Anonymous No.6131316]

>>6130730
>it's a necessary part of all good games with good replay value

Not really, there are plenty of good easy games with high replay value: most kirby games, mario 64, and the wario land games just to name a few

[Anonymous No.6131372]

>>6131316
>kirby
>mario64
>good
I used to say stupid shit like this too.

[Anonymous No.6131376]

>>6131138
Is this bait?

>>6131159
>touhou which is an abomination
Pure hipsterism, hating on what's popular.

>>6131372
And again.

[Anonymous No.6131423]

>>6131035
I did use multiple continues

[Anonymous No.6131426]

>>6131376
No it's a genuine question, what unique aspects of it do you like? The polarity system? What about the polarity system is so interesting besides it being superficially interesting?

[Anonymous No.6131429]

>>6131316
Those games don't have high replay value, but even if you do replay them you'll end up creating challenges for yourself to compensate for flaw of lacking difficulty. Either way challenge is a must.

[Anonymous No.6131438]

>>6131376
touhou is pretty trash

[Anonymous No.6131445]

>6131426
Personally I dont see what is so great about ikaruga. I didnt really care for the polarity shit.

BTW:
[Spoiler] Did gus use a standard 360 controller? I thought the dpad was shit on those.[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.6131460]

>>6131423
>I did use multiple continues
Then it doesn't count as beating a shmup.
To "beat" a shmup you can only use the lives it gives you on "one credit", so no continues allowed.

[Anonymous No.6131463]

>>6130639
>ctrl + f Tower of Druaga
>0 results
You plebs need to play that shit.

[Anonymous No.6131465]

>>6130714
I guess they are similar but I have an easier time with Final Fight.

[Anonymous No.6131467]

>>6131138
It perfected colour-based chaining and colour-based bullet absorption.

[Anonymous No.6131478]

>>6131467
That's kind of an empty statement. What's so good about the chaining? It's an extremely restrictive system, everything people criticize DDP for applies to Ikaruga, if not moreso in some ways.

[Anonymous No.6131487]

>>6131478
DDP is well liked overall, fantastic shmup. The people who play it for score enjoy the simple but tough chaining. Many features can be pros or cons, depending on taste.

[Anonymous No.6131493]

>>6131487
Right, so according to your tastes, what do you enjoy about the chaining that cannot be found in other shmups? If you enjoy the strict nature of it then surely Dodonpachi is a better fit because it's even more brutally punishing for the slightest mistakes.

[Anonymous No.6131506]

>>6131493
I'm not the ikaruga guy. But why are you trying to dissuade him? As if his preference is absurd. You are strange.

[Anonymous No.6131521]

>>6131506
Dissuade? I'm asking him to explain his preference because I can't relate, and he made some very strong statements.

It's also because we both know that he doesn't play the game and thus can't explain his preference, he merely used it as a tool for shitposting.

[Anonymous No.6131531]

>>6131521
Very well, carry on.

[Anonymous No.6131536]

>>6131445
He said he uses some specific pads that don't suffer from the problem of the dpad getting stuck when asked on the Electric Underground podcast

[Anonymous No.6131572]

>>6131536
How the fuck did I miss that. I will have to go back and take another listen.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6131576]

>>6131493
Are you retarded? They are different kinds of chaining, one uses a timer while the other is based on matching same colours. I simply prefer the latter style as it's a much more refined approach. I don't care about which game is "harder", although I doubt your claim that a DDP 500M+ score is harder than an Ikaruga 30M+ score.

[Anonymous No.6131580]

>>6131138
pretty little
it just has more concrete level design in the vein of horizontal shoot-em-ups, like R-Type
less just waves of enemies and bullets and more physical structures to avoid or hide behind

The polarity system is pretty neat too.

>>6131426
Polarity give the player a choice in what can hit them. Do you attack with opposite polarity and risk taking a harder to avoid attack? Do you stay safe with the same polarity while avoiding other, less dangerous attacks? What about the cloud of suicide bullets that's coming at you?

plus, the level design is based around it
beams of polarity that nudge you around, walls that need to be shot out of your way (and spray a cloud of bullets when done), etc

>>6131478
Ikaruga's chaining is nowhere near as restrictive as DDP's "literally follow the line or it drops, get fucked". Ikaruga's chaining emphasizes being precise with shots above all else.

[Anonymous No.6131586]

>>6131576
So you prefer color based chaining just because it's color based chaining? What's "refined" supposed to m-
WAIT A SEC


KRAUT?

[Anonymous No.6131591]

>>6131580
>Ikaruga's chaining is nowhere near as restrictive as DDP's "literally follow the line or it drops, get fucked".
You kidding? Ikaruga requires you to shoot every enemy at an exact time, it requires you to memorize literally every single part of every single wave, whereas Dodonpachi, while being extremely punishing for dropped chains, mainly focuses on specific difficult to link points

[Anonymous No.6131961]

>can't make a shmup thread on /v/ because >/v/
>want to talk about shmups that are more recent so /vr/ is out
>no arcade general or shmup general on /vg/
Where should I make a thread to talk about all sorts of shmups?

[Anonymous No.6132002]

>>6131961
try discord

[Anonymous No.6132006]

>>6132002
>discord

[Anonymous No.6132062]

>>>/vg/278072138

[Anonymous No.6132184]

>>6132006
Best players are on discord, and most are eager to help.
Mark's discord is also p gud, for Cave talk

[Anonymous No.6132186]

>>6132184
link?

[Anonymous No.6132195]

>>6130639
Super Contra
N.A.R.C.

You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.6132196]

>>6130639
raidens up there

[Anonymous No.6132207]

>>6132186
https://discord.gg/8HxRxuR

[Anonymous No.6132217]

>>6130639
Try the arcade version, where the time limit is pussy-tight.

[Anonymous No.6132278]

>>6131961
system11, but they'll probably ban you if you're a complete asshole, which explains why our threads are the way they are

[Anonymous No.6132280]

>>6132278
Is that the socalled farm?

[Anonymous No.6132312]

>>6132280
yes, it might take a while for your account to get activated but it's worth it

[Anonymous No.6132387]

>>6130639

[Anonymous No.6132641]

>>6130639
Raiden is hard as fuuuuuuuck, that being said I'm pretty confident I can make it to stage 5 now. Stage 3 boss was a big wall until I figured out how to speed kill him without triggering the fucken graphical Glitch. Stage 4 is okay.

[Anonymous No.6132642]

>still haven't found that one game to dedicate my time to

[Anonymous No.6132658]

>>6132642
dedicate your life to NMK

[Anonymous No.6132660]

>>6132642
Gemini Wing.
Thank me later.

[Anonymous No.6132787]

>>6132642
this is a very hard question that you'll have to explore for yourself, meditate on.

Some suggestions
Gunbird 2, Sengoku Blade, Dragon Blaze
Thunder Dragon 2
Armed Police Buttrider
Battle Garegga
Raiden (1, 2 or DX)
Hishouzame
Same!Same!Same 1P version (if you are crazy)
R-Type Leo
Rayforce
Vasara 2
Dangun Feveron (Cave game, but acceptable)
Batsugun
Varth
P-47 Aces
Outzone

[Anonymous No.6132832]

ninja gaiden no sub weapons no deaths

[Anonymous No.6132840]

>>6132832
>self-imposed challenges
Why not compare it to Raiden no upgrades no death, which would be a roughly equivalent challenge run?

[Anonymous No.6132845]

>>6132840
because I didn't

[Anonymous No.6134343]

Dare I say it, but, are shmups becoming more popular?

[Anonymous No.6134398]

>>6130758
>pic
Sounds just like any other depressed person with no future. He also seems very aware of his shitty situation. Seems similar to my life, minus the touhou shit games.

[Anonymous No.6134406]

>>6130798
>You’re not good at x! You just spent many hours doing x until your rate of failure was lowered!
Wow, just wow

[Anonymous No.6134562]

>>6132787
great list desu

[Anonymous No.6134954]

>>6130639
yep, they don't make games like these any more.

[Anonymous No.6135132]

>>6130639
Whats best way to play Raiden games? Just fire up Shmupmame or are their some pretty decent ports?

[Anonymous No.6135181]

>>6134954
>Raiden III
Bleh, Raiden II,DX and Raiden IV are great though I also like to pretend Raiden V doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.6135195]

>>6135132
There is no reason not to emulate the original games. Well, unless you're using an ancient version of MAME, since Raiden 2 was emulated properly not all that long ago.

If you want to play them on hardware, the Playstation port of 1 and 2 is excellent.

[Anonymous No.6135198]

>>6135132
>>6135195
Raiden 2 doesn't work on shmupmame, have to get the normal version of MAME for it

[Anonymous No.6135208]

>>6130639
Wizardry 4

[Anonymous No.6137104]

>>6135208
Read one strategy guide, becomes easy

[Anonymous No.6137287]

>>6130639
isn't that a game you just memorize all the enemy spawns and win?

[Anonymous No.6137292]

>>6137287
You're telling me you could watch a run on youtube a few times to memorize the stages then boot it up and 1cc it first try?

[Anonymous No.6137321]

>>6137292
it would take more than a few times, it's a long game but...that's the jist of it.
not really hard if you think about it

[Anonymous No.6137325]

>>6137321
It's not that long, a bit over 30 minutes so you could do it in a couple of hours easy no? Go for it, champ.

[Anonymous No.6137327]

Cheetahmen II

[Anonymous No.6137391]

>>6137325
each stage has a lot of simple stuff to memorize, it would be extremely tedious

[Anonymous No.6137412]

>>6137391
Not really, you could memorize the enemy spawns pretty easy, figuring out where you need to be, what you need to do and when then learning all that timing and practicing until you're mechanically skilled enough at it to pull it all off without dying is the hard part.

[Anonymous No.6137559]

>>6131463
The only good jarpig.

[Anonymous No.6137669]

>>6130798
>With practice, anyone could do what you do.
How strangely inspiring, thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.6137706]

>>6130639
This game really isn't that hard. I had Raiden Trad on my genesis and my friend and I beat it when we were like 7. Kickass soundtrack.
>>6130645
>>6130653
Are you fucking kidding?

[Anonymous No.6137707]

>>6130668
desu this game was not that much harder than mario iirc
but i played it on an emulator like 12 years ago
i didnt use save states tho.
>>6130664
sinistar is unbeatable though. raiden is.
>>6130639
ninja gaiden

[Anonymous No.6137709]

>>6134954
I have that on PS2 and PC, i didn't know there was a neo geo version.

Also I have that exact tv lol.

[Anonymous No.6137714]

>>6132787
Ah, a man of culture as well.
May I suggest you add GIGAWING to your list?
>>6134343
Shmup-influenced games like Monolith are, sure.
>>6134406
>>6130798
This but unironically
Being good at it first try is where the real skill is
Autistic grinding is unimpressive.
t. someone who autistically grinded ikaruga to i

[Anonymous No.6137721]

Battle garegga

[Anonymous No.6137742]

>>6137714
>Being good at it first try is where the real skill is
There's no such thing as being good at these or any games first try, you can only be slightly less trash than others who blind flailed through them. Being innately good at something isn't a skill by definition, also.

[Anonymous No.6137761]

>>6137721
>that isn't another shmup

[Anonymous No.6137768]

>>6137706
Is this a meme or do you just not know that Raiden Trad is a significantly easier version

[Anonymous No.6137974]

>>6137706
Lol is this guy serious or just retarded?
Get mame and play the jap version, see how hard it is , no credit feeding.

Much harder than gng.

[Anonymous No.6139861]

>>6137974
You have to beat gng twice in a row though, with one being a higher difficulty.

[Anonymous No.6140915]

>>6139861
Still not as hard as one Raiden loop, I Guess the hardes Ghost n goblins revisión is comparable though.

[Anonymous No.6140918]

>>6139861 #
Still not as hard as one Raiden loop, I guess the hardest Ghost n goblins revision is comparable though.

[Anonymous No.6140941]

>>6139861
The only part that's significantly more difficult on loop 2 is the bridge level, the rest is mostly just a slight increase in speed, and slightly smarter Red Arremers.
>>6140918
That version might be more difficult but only because of Satans, the fights just boil down to luck. The rest isn't that bad.