/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.612538]

Metroid thread, anyone?

Just stated a new file in Super Metroid, and fell in love immediately. Is Metroid II any good?

[Anonymous No.612562]

>>612538
Metroid 2 is the best Metroid game IMHO

It's amazing fun.

[Anonymous No.612573]

>>612562
Guess ill pick it up once I get a 3ds

[Ark No.612575]

I tried Metroid II long ago on the brick, couldn't get into it. Later I tried in an emulator (early one, no GBC palettes). Still couldn't.

But I am playing through it now, using www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=15989.0 and it is pretty damn fun. Just got the high jump, wave beam, and spring ball in the span of a few minutes (they probably should have spread those out more).

It is pretty good with color. And I am surprised how much closer to Super Metroid it is than to Metroid.

[Anonymous No.612587]

>>612538
I thought it was really fun. Has that retro feeling of difficulty without being as frustrating as the NES version.

[Anonymous No.613042]

>>612538
>Other M Samus model

[Anonymous No.613174]

Is this your first time playing Super OP?

Also, Metroid II is about as underrated as Zelda II. It's an above average game, but surpassed by the third installment in every possible way. It is a better game than the first though.

[Anonymous No.613203]

>>613042
The game is shit, but what's wrong with the model?

[Anonymous No.613213]

My favourite thing about old games is learning to use glitches all the time to your advantage. Super Metroid is amazing for this. Short charging a speed boost then doing a little hop to mock/mach ball feels amazing the first time around

[Anonymous No.613240]

>>613213
>implying everything in the game wasn't foreseen and intentionally programmed to be that way by DeerForce

[Anonymous No.613257]

>>613203
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.613262]

>>613240
My favourite thing about old games is learning to use advanced techniques all the time to your advantage*

[Anonymous No.613291]

>>613213
Whats your best run time? I had 1:55 with 75% of the items when i was in my super m craze

[Anonymous No.613303]

>>612538
Metroid II is only better than Other M and Prime: Hunters.

It's fun, but is too short.

[Anonymous No.613320]

>>613291
I don't actually have much of an interest in doing speedruns, I've always been a sequence breaking kinda guy. I like to practice the tricks but I never do a full run stringing them together

[Anonymous No.613509]

>>613320
>I've always been a sequence breaking kinda guy.
Same here. I love doing the bosses out of order.

[Anonymous No.616903]

>>613203
It's not bulky enough really. I personally think other than that it's fine. A lot of people claim it looks more like it's made out of flimsy plastic than thick metal, but I think that's more Other M's lighting than the actual game model. The figma looks pretty damn solid.
That said, yeah, Prime and Smash Bros. had much better 3D models for Samus than Other M did.

[Anonymous No.616945]

There was a Metroid II remake that modernized it a bit (mostly by stealing assets from the GBA games, but nevermind that) added a map and stuff. It's a bit sloppy, but I found it to be more playable than the original, which I found too clunky and couldn't navigate without a map (I started with Super so I'm a bit spoiled I guess). It was called Another Metroid 2 Remake, I think.

[Anonymous No.617143]

I recently won an auction ending on 12 or so dollars, can't wait.

That and ZM are the only games I haven't played at all, I'm considering bidding on the only auction for the latter+GBA since it starts at roughly $0.2

[Anonymous No.617443]

>>613303
I played Metroid II when it was new on a beige brick gb. The hours turned to days, the days to weeks... months passed and I just continued to run in circles, spider balling every wall, attempting to bomb jump passed the spikes... Eventually I finished it after restarting many times.

Then I replay it recently on <spoiler>3DS</spoiler>. Finished 100% in one sitting in 3hrs 3 mins. I can't believe I used to find it hard. Also, can't believe I missed the best ending by 3 minutes.

[Anonymous No.617449]

>>617443
><spoiler>3DS</spoiler>
HowDoISpoilered?

[Anonymous No.617470]

>>612538
It's okay, but nowhere near as good as Super Metroid.

[Anonymous No.617518]

>>617443
Protip: If you have 4chan x (which you should) you can press "Ctrl + s" to instantly make a spoiler

[Anonymous No.618179]

a 2D Metroid game
with Prime characters and features like scanning

[Anonymous No.618185]

>>618179

>a 2D Metroid game

Sold!

>with Prime characters and features like scanning

Eh. Still sold I guess.

[Anonymous No.618226]

>>617518
Also, press Alt+F4 to hide the shittier threads.

[Anonymous No.618240]

>>618185

There's a demo of the old, dropped Metroid Prime 2D project around the internet. It plays really well, I like the scanning.

[Anonymous No.618840]

So I havent played Super Metroid in around 5 years and...wow. Please dont tell me im the only person who got stuck at this part.

[Anonymous No.618864]

>>618840
You're not.

It's famously called the "n00b bridge"

[Anonymous No.618874]

>>618185
You must forgive him. He's an idiot who thinks Prime is worth continuing. We raised him on bad video games... as a joke, you see.

[Anonymous No.618884]

>>618840
That part made not continue playing the game two or so years ago. Picked up again now and got stuck there again before looking up how to get past it. It's just that games today for the most part don't even have a manual, even less require you to read it.

[Anonymous No.618892]

>>618840
I swear, when you finally figure out there's a run button it's like discovering a new suit upgrade.

[Anonymous No.618902]

>>618840
>>618884
>>618892
>not immediately going to the button config in options to move Jump to the more logical B button spot and by extension moving "Run" to A.

[Anonymous No.618920]

>>618874
>Prime
>bad

Must be a wonderful world where Metroid Prime can honestly be considered a bad game.

[Anonymous No.618945]

>>618840
back then i knew there was a run button but i didn't know it did anything without the speed booster

[Anonymous No.618947]

>>618920

It's not bad. But it's not Metroid either.

[Anonymous No.618949]

>>613042
>>613257
>tooprettyforyou

[Anonymous No.618959]

>>618947
It maintains a lot of the main premise of the Metroid series which involves a somewhat nonlinear exploration of desolate and dangerous alien landscapes with minimal to no narrative getting in the way of the player. I'd say it's a damn fantastic transition to 3D for Metroid.

[Anonymous No.618962]

Prime is cool and all.
But i would prefer if it was 2D.
I have Motion Sickness playing FPS.

[Anonymous No.618967]

>>618947
>OoT and Majoras mask aren't bad but they aren't zelda

[Anonymous No.618989]

>>618959
It's best a transition of Metroid 2, dressed up in Super's aesthetic, music and atmosphere. I just wish that the exploration was more like the original or Super instead of being like RoS.

[Anonymous No.618995]

>>618949
The suit is shit, and looks like some action figure. The actual character model is a boner-springer, though. Literally the one thing Other M did well.

[Anonymous No.619029]

>>618947
You seriously must just be joking when you say silly things like this. It's absolutely Metroid. I'm sorry if you're too autistic to accept that a 3D game can retain the same elements of its 2D predecessors, but that's not an issue with the game.

[Anonymous No.619032]

how do you even get to this fucking boss?
i cant get into him, no idea what im doing wrong and nothing anywhere that helps

[Anonymous No.619037]

>>618995

>The one thing Other M did well was turn Samus into a sexy blonde chick

You're what's wrong with gaming.

[Anonymous No.619038]

>>618989
A lot of that was all Nintendo's idea, and it became more and more obvious with each game in the series to the point where Retro couldn't understand why Nin was against the concept of a completely open world where Samus actually played as a bounty hunter.

[Anonymous No.619048]

>>618967
They really aren't.

[Anonymous No.619042]

>>619037
Excuse me? The game was ass. She was just fap material in it. What's your problem?

[Anonymous No.619061]

>>619042

I hated how they changed her look. Some fanboy faggots tried to say she always looked like that....

[Anonymous No.619062]

>>619032
From the Brinstar-Norfair elevator, take the first door on the left. Speed Boost (or machball) past the gates, then drop a Power Bomb. Follow the path (it's only one way) until you come to a shaft where the floor crumbles and you drop to the bottom. Go into the next room, then Speed Boost and don't stop until the game stops you (you'll blast through a wall and stop at some stairs).

The door below you is that boss. The door on the right is more of Norfair. Above you and the next door on the right is a Save Point.

Good luck!

[Anonymous No.619067]

>>619042

Making your heroine "fap material" is not a good thing.

[Anonymous No.619076]

>>619061
Well, she kinda has always looked like that. Granted, the Zero Suit is relatively new, but she's always been a pretty blonde lady (unless you count NES color restrictions as her originally having green hair).

>>619067
No it's not, but as far as fap material goes, it did it well. I don't like that they had to assassinate the character to do it, but if you're looking for one bright spot in the shit stew that we call Other M, the fact that Samus was worth fapping to is about it.

[Anonymous No.619105]

>Other M
What went so wrong...

[Anonymous No.619107]

>>619076

no, in the first 3 games, she has a much more solid build

then the GC games and suddenly "dem hips"
"dat ass" and "dat face"

[Anonymous No.619123]

I didn't think Other M was so bad

[Anonymous No.619138]

>>619123
You're factually wrong, it's bad in every sense, and nothing you say can change that.

[Anonymous No.619159]

>>619107
Actually, she had dem hips in RoS. Super she was built to the point of visible abs. Fusion she was more toned and lithe rather than straight built. Zero Mission is where she got dat ass. She only has dat face in Hunters, and then Other M.

[Anonymous No.619257]

question /vr/, do you find Metroids cute and/or do they scare you?

[Anonymous No.619285]

>>619257
After Super, I think it's safe to say they're fucking adorable. I'd seriously buy a metroid-shaped hat and wear it to work every day.

[Anonymous No.619290]

>>619123
Commit sudoku at once for your dishonor

[Anonymous No.619319]

>>619123

I had the same thought, and decided to do a 2nd playthrough (don't remember my specific thoughts during the first but I think I had a relatively mixed experience) with the intent of solely ignoring how stupid the story and cutscenes are and I got really bored really quick. I don't even know what drove me the first time, probably hope

[Anonymous No.619332]

>>619257
>Original, first time playing, have the Wave Beam
JESUS SHIT FUCK WHY
>Backtrack and get the Ice Beam
Mildly annoying, kind of tedious
>Return of Samus, first encounter against any evolution
IT EVOLVES/IS STILL EVOLVING? Holy balls this is tense
>Return of Samus, fifth encounter against any evolution
These take way too many missiles. God damn.
>Super
That sounds fucking adorable.
>SUPER
I need a new pair of pants.
>Hyper
;_;
>Prime
They're multiplying?!?
>Echoes
I miss the adorable one.
>Corruption
Phasing through the walls is fucking cheating and I hate each and every one of you.
>Other M, first few minutes
I really didn't want to relive that moment in glorious 3D
>End of Other M
The fuck'd you mean my Power Bombs were authorized?
>Fusion
Oh hey, the adorable ones are back, neat.
>End of Fusion
Why won't you die, there's a time limit, shitshitshitshitshit
>Eventually get hit, acquire Ice Beam
Why is this working. I'm so confused.

And that's how I feel about Metroids across the series.

[Anonymous No.619339]

>>619285
My wife made me one. It's a stocking beanie with little teeth that come down either side of my eyes, and another two teeth are earflaps. <3

[Anonymous No.619371]

>>619339

[Anonymous No.619386]

>>619062
where do i get power bombs...

[Anonymous No.619408]

>>619386
Fuck. Okay.
From the Brinstar-Norfar elevator (this time on the Brinstar side) keep going left until you get to the really long shaft with the Rippers (floating turtle looking things that go back and forth). Use the Ice Beam to get up, and keep going up the shaft, all the way to the top. Go right until you get to another shaft. Instead of going up, shoot the center of the floor (there's a bit of the floor that looks obvious about it. you might have to bomb it instead.) and drop down. Follow the only way to go to get Power Bombs. If you go back up the shaft, there's a save point on the right, and on the left is a room with more Power Bombs hidden in it (Go to the back of the room and drop a Power Bomb, then purposefully land in the only plant that doesn't have one of those pincer grabber motherfuckers in it).

If you ask me how to get the Ice Beam, I will slap you.

[Anonymous No.619420]

>>619408
i know how to get it, but fuck wall jumping is so frustrating, sorry mate, but its my first metroid, so i got no previous experiences

[Anonymous No.619427]

>>619420
There's only one spot in the entire game where it expects you to walljump and that's where it teaches you it. Also, you can just IBJ up instead.
Also also, if you're having trouble walljumping know that Samus has a sprite for when she's braced against the wall (as you press away from it) able to do it. That small window of time is your moment to press jump.

[Anonymous No.619440]

>>619427
fuck it, the wall jumping is way to frustrating, i know how to do it, but i die by the spikes before im even able to do it, fuck this game is retardedly stupid unless you have someone play it for you

[Anonymous No.619449]

>>619440
>fuck this game is retardedly stupid unless you have someone play it for you

What the fuck.

[Ark No.619447]

>>619440
As >>619427 said, you don't need to wall jump there. Just ice beam up.

[Anonymous No.619471]

>>619440
Look anon, instead of just calling you a baddie and telling you to git gud, I'm being patient and telling you what to do while giving tips (hell, you even got >>619447
giving you a screenshotted map). But you need to calm your shit and practice more I guess. Super's enjoyability ramps way the fuck up every time you master an inherent ability (wall jump, the momentum physics, shinespark, IBJ, machball, and so on.).

[Anonymous No.619606]

>>619447
>>619449
>>619471
the problem is this
>no grappling hook obviously cus you get from boss
>i cant even wall jump up to get the ice beam where you actualy need the grappling hook
>so i cant get back up because fuck wall jumping
not sure if this cleared it... basicly i dont have the ice beam, but normally you would need the grappling hook, but i dont have that because i cant get into him because you need the power bomb as anon tould me earlier, but i dont have it
tl;dr no ice beam, no grappling hook (obviously) i cant wall jump for shits

[Anonymous No.619696]

>>619606
I learned how to reliably wall jump in about an hour tops. Just spend a little while trying it, it'll get easier.

They did kind of make it unnecessarily difficult though, especially placed next to a game like Mega Man X.

[Anonymous No.619743]

>>619606
But... but that's wrong. And I think I remember you from another thread.
Take the elevator into Norfair, and take the first door on the left. Speed Boost past the gates, then keep going left. When you get to a dead end where you have to go up, go up, but do not go into the next room. Instead, go into morph ball, and drop from ledge to ledge on the right side of the room until you get to a small crevice that looks like it goes off-screen. Follow that, and you'll get the Ice Beam.

You got confused about the item order, and it's understandably frustrating the fuck out of you.

[Anonymous No.619775]

>>619606
So you're saying that the problem with the game is that you don't know how to play it?
Wall jumping isn't that hard if you have any sort of reflexes or motor control. If you don't have either of those, you're playing the wrong game.
You might as well be complaining that you can't shoot bad guys because they keep moving.

[Anonymous No.619790]

>>619775
That's what he thinks the problem is, but the actual problem is that he has the wrong order of items in his head. You get the Ice Beam way way before Grapple.

[Anonymous No.619798]

>>619790
I see. I haven't beaten the game since it came out, so I don't have that sort of stuff memorized. My point is that it's not even close to unfair, and you shouldn't complain about difficulty in a game when you can't even utilize its basic mechanics.
It's really not hard. You jump toward the wall, then press away from the wall a split second before pressing the jump button. You can commit that to muscle memory in minutes.

[Anonymous No.619903]

>>619696
>>619775
yes im terrible at wall jumping, but its so frustrating, but i know how to do it

>>619775
>>619743
thank you very much anon, because this has confused me for the longest time, i knew being bad at the game was one thing, but i knew it was something i did wrong

[Anonymous No.619943]

>>619903
You're welcome, just so it doesn't happen again, I'll list the intended item order:
Morphing Ball
Missiles
Kill Torizo (Acquire Bombs)
Energy Tank
Charge Beam
Kill Spore Spawn (Acquire Super Missiles)
Hi-Jump Boots
Spazer
Kill Kraid (Acquire Varia Suit)
Speed Booster
Ice Beam
Power Bombs
Kill Crocomire (Acquire Grappling Beam)
Wave Beam
X-Ray Scope
Kill Phantoon (Restore Power to Wrecked Ship)
Gravity Suit
By now you may also have acquired a Reserve Tank, if I had to choose an intended 1st one, it's the one in the Wrecked Ship.
Kill Botwoon (Acquire access to eastern Maridia)
Kill Draygon (Acquire Space Jump)
Plasma Beam
Spring Ball
Kill Golden Torizo (Acquire Screw Attack)
Kill Ridley
Go to Tourian

Anything else is sequence breaking.
Most people's second runs go a bit differently (For example, the most common sequence break is Spazer before Hi-Jump).

[Anonymous No.620162]

>>619420
>>619427
>>619440

Once you recognize the sprite/timing for it, Wall Jumping is balls easy. It's actually gamebreakingly easy, hence why later games had the wall jump forcibly propel you away so you can't just flip up walls all fucking day.

[Anonymous No.620323]

>>620162
Actually, only Fusion pulls that. And it was done that way to prevent sequence breaking. They really locked down on sequence breaking in that game (although humourously enough, the one sequence break they did put in can itself be broken). You can single wall jump in Zero Mission. In the Primes, wall jumping was locked to the Screw Attack and only worked on certain surfaces.

[Anonymous No.620365]

>>620323

Doesn't Zero Mission do it to a small degree? I remember it not being as dramatic as Fusion, but still there. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

[Anonymous No.620389]

>>620365
You're remembering wrong. ZM and Fusion also don't have the sprites for Samus bracing against the wall to show the timing for it either.

[Anonymous No.622049]

>>618947
>>619048
>if it isn't a clone of the NES original it isn't a "true" [X] game

You're what's wrong with gaming.

[Anonymous No.622454]

>it's a good game, but not a TRUE [franchise] game

Actually, it seems that it's only Metroid and Zelda fans that make this kind of claim. You never hear anyone say this about, for example, Super Mario Sunshine, despite the fact that it has almost nothing in common with the NES Mario games other than the names of the characters.

Just further reinforces my belief that Metroid and Zelda have two of the most autistic fanbases in gaming.

[Anonymous No.622475]

>>622454
People say it all the time. Halo, BF3, Dragon Age, etc.

[Anonymous No.624847]

>>618902
The bad thing is that I actually went to the button config, saw that B made you run, and still didnt know how to get across.

I have no idea whats gotten into me.

[Anonymous No.624860]

I was trying to speedrun it but died at the boss before the ninja pirates. I forgot I could use space jump to avoid his shit. I should get better at it.

[Anonymous No.624872]

>>622454
It's just a way of saying "It's a good game, but it isn't good for the same reasons as other games in the series." Take a chill pill, you autist.

[Anonymous No.624878]

>>624872
>responding to a 12 hour old post

[Anonymous No.624910]

>>624878
>bumping two days old thread

[Anonymous No.624918]

>>624878
>>624910
Get a load of these guys and their wannabe janitor shit.

[Anonymous No.624927]

>>624918
>implying we're not doing it just to bump the thread