Are PVM’s overrated?

[Anonymous No.6124389]

If somebody wants a low priced way to play retro games with no lag and a good picture the way it was intended to be displayed I understand.

What I never really understood the appeal behind spending hundreds on a PVM when there are LCD’s with only ~10ms lag with much larger screens and better image by most measures. Throw in an OSSC and you have what is basically the same thing. Is it nostalgia driven mixed with the need for the best CRT image? Genuinely curious

[Anonymous No.6124397]

PVMs are a leddit meme that has infected the minds of otherwise sane men.
Friends don't let friends but overpriced broadcast monitors.
Consumer sets for life.

[Anonymous No.6124419]

They were a cheap replacement but a compromise to arcade monitors due to their small size, then my life in gaming made this video, people got hyped and the rest is history. It's not just about picture quality, you just need to see them in motion.

Faggots will say b-but some video is older, no, this is the one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAi8AVj9GV8

[Anonymous No.6124427]

>>6124419
>my life in gaming
I fuckin hate this faggot, half the shit he talks is misinformation.

[Anonymous No.6124430]

>>6124419
Why does he talks so slow

[Anonymous No.6124439]

>>6124389
>better image by most measures
No..? The only real advantage LCDs have is their size and weight, which is not related to image quality.

[Anonymous No.6124441]

>>6124389
They are nice but not worth the expensive price. A decent consumer crt that are practically free still gives you a better picture than any combination of LCD and hardware.

[Anonymous No.6124462]

>>6124430
So their target audience can understand, the second guy that isn't bald is the worse one.

[Anonymous No.6124469]

>>6124441

How does it give better picture? I see this mentioned here and there, but on paper it seems like LCD’s have better specs. I haven’t used a CRT in like 15 years so I can’t remember what they were like.

[Anonymous No.6124529]

>>6124419
>my life in gaming
I want to boot that fucking ugly balding fat nerd in the head and drop his carcass back to hell

[Anonymous No.6124546]

The real way to retro games is to use a woodgrain tv set and RF modulation

[Anonymous No.6124546,1]

LCD you mean led or you really talked of LCD since those are obsolete remember those got made to replace plasma TV on 2002.
Problem with modern TV is that there will be input lag since most retro games got made for 15hz TV or 60Hz TV but modern TV run at 115hz so there will be input lag since information is running slower then the TV and Hz has nothing to do with FPS since most games are running at 30 Fps (to be precise 29.95 frames per second since is the top human eyes can see,each frame is shown at over 1000 Km/h)

[Anonymous No.6124567]

Feels good to live in a country where people just sell out old PVMs for cheap without knowing it's an ebin collectors meme.

[Anonymous No.6124574]

>>6124469
Older console games and hardware are designed with CRT specifics in mind.

[Anonymous No.6124596]

PVMs are meme, but a quality consumer CRT TV definitely has its merits over LED. There’s grain and texture in the way light comes through the screen. Once you get used to it it’s hard to replace with a plain image on a plain screen. It’s like looking at a live painting vs. digital image. Sure, it’s clear, you can see everything just fine, but it’s missing a certain texture that made lower resolution content look more rich, and that’s something you might want to keep enjoying if you have the means to.

If you only care about playing, by all means play in whatever device or screen you already have.

You might not care in which paper your book comes in, you just want to read it. Or you might appreciate aspects of the experience, and enjoy the feel and smell of a certain kind of paper. To each his own.

[Anonymous No.6124608]

It's funny how the Framemeister's ad makes the case for a PVM.

[Anonymous No.6124615]

>>6124574
only genesis.

[Anonymous No.6124631]

With the killer black levels on an OLED, an OSSC to a fancy OLED might objectively beat out the picture quality on PVM. Also the input lag on some of those sets are incredibly low. Gotta put up some $ for a good oled, but they're the future.

[Anonymous No.6124635]

>>6124389
Your OSSC looks cooler then mine. Where did you get that case?

[Anonymous No.6124639]

>>6124596

Thanks- Makes sense. I’ll have to scope out a CRT once I move out of my apartment into my house in a few weeks

[Anonymous No.6124656]

>>6124635

The case is actually a mister built by somebody in Spain who’s name I don’t remember. Not a fan of the case personally but his hardware is great.

[Anonymous No.6124664]

>>6124596
Pvms aren't a meme, it's a definite improvement over regular (high end) crts. However your milage may greatly vary depending on your model. The difference between a crt and a 650+ tvl BVM is night and day tho.

[Anonymous No.6124681]

Do we have a wave of new posters or something? Feels like anti-PVM/professional CRTs and anti-RGB stuff is ramping up, with the arguments seeming to be mostly rooted in "why spend all that money on it, why not use this cheaper alternative [which I, the person complaining about professional CRTs/RGB, probably already have, how convenient]".

[Anonymous No.6124720]

>>6124389
Just look at the fanbase...

[Anonymous No.6124763]

>>6124469
digital displays are still catching up to cathode ray tubes in terms of color, true blacks and 0ms input delay. the fact that people are mentally conforming to the fact that digital displays have inherent input delay is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.6124773]

>>6124389
>Are PVM’s overrated?
Of course they are. Get yourself a big 27'+ consumer set, use s-video or even component. PVM were meant as a reference monitor, not to play games on.

[Anonymous No.6124780]

>>6124773
THIS SO FUCKING MUCH!

People emphasize on pickzel clarity, color density, and forget to actually enjoy the game for what it is. I've ran into fellow "retro enthusiasts" before who scoff at the fact that I use S-Video instead of a broadcast monitor.

[Anonymous No.6124789]

>>6124389
these broadcast monitors are a total fucking meme use by elitist to gatekeep people who just wanna play some fucking games. my reason for using a consumer CRT is because no input delay. but I know some people just want the biggest baddest display in the house so an OSSC is fine if you only care about the convenience that a digital display brings which is really only accessibility.

[Anonymous No.6125042]

For me it's the PVM-2950QM and KX-27PS1 Profeel.

Those are my go-to displays for retro gaming and together they cost me less than an 8" PVM on eBay a couple of years ago.

[Anonymous No.6125157]

>>6124389
They're my preferred way to play /vr/ stuff, but you should by no means be throwing down hundreds of dollars on a pro monitor when you can find a consumer set with component for $5.

[Anonymous No.6125214]

Geez alot of poor people with low standards on /vr/ today. I mean I get pvms are not for everyone but it just feels like next lvl cope to trash them because you can't afford them or don't care about video quality.

[Anonymous No.6125245]

>>6125214
I agree they don't deserve to be trashed, but they are insanely overrated and overpriced. Feels bad knowing someone might shy away from getting a CRT altogether because of all the people memed to think that anything less than RGB looks bad.

[Anonymous No.6125294]

>>6125214
>Geez alot of poor people with low standards on /vr/ today
and the races are off to a great start. no point in deeply investing in a hobby with an inflated market. it's as bad as Los Angeles' real estate market.

[Anonymous No.6125414]

>>6124664
>vement over regular (high end) crts. However your milage may greatly vary depending on
They aren't a meme until you figure in the current prices. If you get a well taken care of one for cheap, they are great. I actually don't like them for gaming because "muh scanlions" are so sharp, but for dvd or dreamcast ie something without scanlines, they look really great. Watching dragon ball dragon box on them is god tier experience.

[Anonymous No.6125440]

>>6125214
I don't think a poor person like you should pretend others are poor.
Catch me in my basement with my PVM and OLED + scaler, poorfag.

[Anonymous No.6125478]

>>6125440
>Catch me in my basement with my PVM and OLED + scaler, poorfag.

Not even the fag you're replying to, but your B8 is weak M8.

[Anonymous No.6125483]

>>6124389
PVMs look much nicer than your gross low quality fake scanlines. Wake me up when your upscalers support proper shaders.

[Anonymous No.6125486]

As far as CRTs go I much prefer consumer CRTs to PVMs. PVMs don't look right to me, almost looks too sharp on the PVM. As far as flat panels go, on a 4k TV with a clean 9x scale on 240p games it can look great

[Anonymous No.6125507]

>>6125214

[Anonymous No.6125512]

>>6124419
>They were a cheap replacement but a compromise to arcade monitors due to their small size
Retard.
PVM/BVM's are a lot better than some crummy Arcade Monitors.
That's why they sold for 5000 to 10000 dollars when they were brand new.

[Anonymous No.6125514]

>>6124389
The games weren't even designed for retarded ass huge displays.
They were designed for 14 to 20 inch 4:3 CRT TV's.

Also modern displays have shitty ass motion by comparison.
You've never seen a top CRT in person and you've only seen photos in the CRT thread and not much else.

[Anonymous No.6125526]

>>6125486
>a 4k TV with a clean 9x scale on 240p games
Is that really a thing? Is there equipment out there that scales at 9x? Or are you talking software emulator or a 4k TV's internal scaler?

[Anonymous No.6125536]

I think people who meme PVMs hard are all autsists. I've played retro games on a decent CRT from the early 2000s and a PVM, and the difference was so minor I can't imagine paying $500 for one, when I pretty much had the same experience with a free 32 CRT some old lady was giving away on Craigslist.

[Anonymous No.6125537]

>>6125514
Arcade monitors are better than PVMemes. They cost that much new because they were for the professional market, where everything is overpriced as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6125539]

Yeah, because you can get the same results on a VGA monitor using GroovyMAME or RetroArch.

[Anonymous No.6125541]

>>6125512
Arcade monitors are better than PVMemes. They cost that much new because they were for the professional market, where everything is overpriced as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6125542]

>>6125512
Arcade monitors weren't crummy and they were huge, you're just another idiot roaming the board making assumptions. Who cares what a PVM cost when they were made, when people started to get in their MVS, their superguns, their HAS, a PVM was a much more convenient option than to find an arcade monitor and very cheap before my life in gaming made that video and then other youtubers started to make videos and then everyone wanted one jacking up the prices.

[Anonymous No.6125543]

>play a retro game on a PVMeme
>pixels look sharp and squared and the same as they would look in an LCD

Am I missing something here? I thought people played on CRTs to avoid that kind of look. If you emulate and add some scanlines it's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.6125545]

>>6124389
Pvmemes are a joke. I have a computer monitor with vga and bnc and I would just use that. But I'm living 5 hours from home so i use a 20 inch sony I got fron craigslist for free. So whatever. Plenty good enough

[Anonymous No.6125547]

>>6124389
>~10ms
Try 200ms zoomer

[Anonymous No.6125550]

>>6124615
>sonic waterfalls are the only instance of dithering ever used!

[Anonymous No.6125553]

>>6124780
S-video honest honesty honestly looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.6125586]

They're not a meme, but they might as well be if you don't live near an area where a bunch of video editing happened when it was standard equipment.

[Anonymous No.6125591]

>>6125547
https://displaylag.com/display-database/

I await your damage control, eurocuck.

[Anonymous No.6125631]

>>6125486
PVMs look too sharp to you but integer scale on digital display looks great to you. Ok

[Anonymous No.6125634]

>>6124427
>half the shit he talks is misinformation
They bounce their scripts off people who are actually knowledgeable before making the videos dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6125658]

>comparing a PVM to an LCD screen

"Opinion" disregarded. You dont even know what a PVM is, if you're making this comparison.

Also, nobody spends hundreds on a PVM. You can literally get a pallet of them for free.

[Anonymous No.6126174]

>>6124389
>What I never really understood:
>grammar
>displays
>google
>everything else

[Anonymous No.6126851]

>>6124389
Motion clarity. LCD's can't compete unless you're no longer looking at low-cost screens. That said yeah just get a consumer set.

[Anonymous No.6126857]

PVMs were fucking sick years ago because you could pick them up for like $30 fucking dollars or for free. Now retards scalp them for thousands of dollars and other retards buy them. They are overrated as fuck now. You can still find PC CRT monitors and hook OSSCs to them and its pretty dope. PC CRT + OSSC is the way to go now imo.

[Anonymous No.6126862]

>>6124389
OSSC on a decent (calibrated) set at 1600 x 1200p and Line5x is something else.

[Anonymous No.6126894]

>>6126857

That would have to be a fucking massive PC CRT to be able to game comfortably while on bed.

[Anonymous No.6126920]

>>6126857
Maybe in the US, in Europe they were always above 100, usually $150 for a good model with the RGB card. Now they go for 200-300 for a lower model if you can find one for sale that isn't completely beat up.

[Anonymous No.6126924]

>>6124389
take it from me go onto facebook market place/ craigslist and get the following

1) a sony triniton
2)a non hd model that doesnt do digital conversion running lag time.
3) the ports you need, ideally component and s video. All sets will have at least composite.

[Anonymous No.6126929]

>>6125214
i agree
and in the grand scheme of things purchasing a PVM is a long term investment. They're built like tanks and arent gonna crap out in 5 years with proper care. If you treat it like buying a nice monitor/tv instead of old "outdated" tech the price is easier to justify.

[Anonymous No.6128238]

>>6124427
MLIG is based. Way more based than some seething anonymous 4channer.

[Anonymous No.6128241]

>>6125543
>LCD
Enjoy your input lag.

[Anonymous No.6128243]

>>6125658
Where do you get yours for free?

[Anonymous No.6128256]

>>6125658
>You can literally get a pallet of them for free.
If it were that easy they wouldn't be so coveted.

[Anonymous No.6128279]

>>6125543
You're missing out on real juicy scanlines, they're fat like in arcade monitors, that's compared to a normal consumer TV.

[Anonymous No.6128285]

>>6124389
You know how you can identify the casuals and zoomers? They didn't get multiple BVMs for free from news stations when they upgraded like 10 years ago and now act like consumer trash is better which it objectively is not. Yeah man my Honda Civic is much better than that Ferrari meme. Fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.6128289]

>>6128285
Maybe in the US that was true, in Europe I've never seen them being thrown out for free.

[Anonymous No.6128290]

>>6128289
You never looked.

[Anonymous No.6128294]

>>6128290
When was that? I've aware of them since 2007, after seeing the small Sony ones in a video production studio.

[Anonymous No.6128295]

>>6124419
is thanks to this idiot that the rbg PVM BMV cancer SPREAD

[Anonymous No.6128297]

>>6128285
I can smell your BO from your post.

[Anonymous No.6128301]

>>6128289
If there's an equivalent of medical hardware resellers in your country, check there. Where I am in the US, you're more likely to find some old stuff from an OB/GYN or other medical imaging who overbought fancy monitors because some sales rep convinced the doctors they needed them.

[Anonymous No.6128302]

>>6125634
I bounce my crank off your mothers face with a cockslap after I finish throatfucking her, you fudgepacker. That's the same kind of statement: one that has no evidence backing it up and seeing as how much bullshit and lies they pack into their videos just as true.

[Anonymous No.6128304]

>>6128302
They have mentioned it on the stream plenty of times. Point out some "lies", that aren't small mistakes, from their non-early videos.

[Anonymous No.6128309]

>>6128297
Your anger stemming from not being able to get free BVMs doesn't mean that I am not hygienic. I actually sold most of them to retards and kept the 24" BVM because I don't play games and watch movies (actual art).

[Anonymous No.6128313]

>>6128309
>y-you mad
lol unironically have sex.

[Anonymous No.6128315]

>>6128309
Now you're just trying too hard.

[Anonymous No.6128316]

>>6128313
I fuck my wife daily and still got free BVMs that I resold for thousands.

[Anonymous No.6128318]

>>6125631
The thick scanlines probably have something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.6128319]

>>6128295
RetroRGB has low viewers, at least on youtube.

[Anonymous No.6128324]

>people who never worked with PVM's in there heyday and discovered them through the retro gaming scene get mad that other people discover them through the retro gaming scene after they did

[Anonymous No.6128326]

>>6124631
oleds aren't there yet theres still too many downsides like burn in (yes there's a lot of reports). the blue issue is a big one imo, that kind of degrading alone will keep me away

[Anonymous No.6128328]

>>6128313
Why is it so interesting for plebbitards to think about 4channers having sex? Do you really want us to reproduce or do you fantasize about seeing a fat, hairy, smelly, obese man getting laid? Are you some kind of faggot? That's a stupid question, of course you are, you're from reddit. But why is a grotesquery having intercourse so interesting to you 'people'?

[Anonymous No.6128337]

I would also like to know where you can find these pallets of free PVMs. I suppose I would setup one in my home, put another two in storage and then maybe sell the rest at outrageous prices on eBay?

Please enlighten me.

[Anonymous No.6128339]

>>6128316
>anon's first day LARPing on 4chan
Cute.

>>6128328
It's more of a wake-up call. Like "hey you're acting really autistic, maybe if you got some pussy you'd calm down and act like a normal dude."

[Anonymous No.6128340]

>>6128337
There are no pallets of free PVMs or BVMs. Nobody is making thousands of dollars selling monitors. Stop falling for bait.

[Anonymous No.6128346]

>>6128339
Why would you need 4channers to act normal? We're not, that's why we're here. That's the point of 4chan, and you seem to completely have missed it. We are the social rejects, both from and against society. You're the odd man out, having sex and doing other normalfag shit. Why don't you find a place where you better fit in rather than fantasizing about hairy humanoid hippopotami having sex?

[Anonymous No.6128347]

>>6128340
Are you suggesting someone on here was BSing us?? Fuck..

[Anonymous No.6128354]

Just get a high-end consumer CRT like Bang & Olufsen, next best option.

[Anonymous No.6128364]

>>6128346

[Anonymous No.6128378]

>>6128364
Is this a new plebbit meme that I am not aware of? I don't even know who that is.

[Anonymous No.6128408]

>>6124615
>the absolute state of modern women
thanks, feminism!

[Anonymous No.6128474]

>>6128408
Take a shower.

[Anonymous No.6128484]

>>6128474
Why are you so focused on thinking about 4channers showering? Does the mental image of a rotund and porcine man soaping his body get you excited?

[Anonymous No.6128503]

>>6125507
Wêivós Ranchērous.

[Anonymous No.6128509]

>>6128484
Anyone who says "4channer" doesn't belong here

[Anonymous No.6128516]

>>6128408
I want to kick the fuck up of that fucking looser faggot!

[Anonymous No.6128519]

>>6128484
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.6128520]

>>6128509
He's shitposting. Just point and laugh, don't humor him.

[Anonymous No.6128524]

>>6125536
The difference is very obvious even with a low line count pvm. Preference is just that--one type of crt or signal type isn't better than another--but the differences are clear. Autism not required

[Anonymous No.6128530]

>all the shitposter's posts are getting cleaned up
Based.

[Anonymous No.6128539]

>>6128339
>act like a normal dude
Yuck

[Anonymous No.6128819]

>>6124389
OSSC owner here. I don't miss using CRTs.

[Anonymous No.6129042]

>>6128819
Fake scanlines are like plastic surgery. It's noticeable and looks horrid but those who use it think it looks good.

[Anonymous No.6129052]

PVMs are too clear. You might as well just play on an LCD at that point.

[Anonymous No.6129058]

>>6128354
>Bang & Olufsen
What if I don't want my room to look like the set of a scifi movie from the 60s?

[Anonymous No.6129059]

>>6129058
Compared to an LCD even fake scanlines on a PC CRT monitor are a step up.

[Anonymous No.6129060]

>>6129042

[Anonymous No.6129075]

>>6129042
Compared to an LCD even fake scanlines on a PC CRT monitor are a step up.

[Anonymous No.6129076]

>>6129052
>too clear
lol wut

[Anonymous No.6129085]

>>6129042 >>6128819
I don't use the fake scanlines feature.
No appeal to me.

[Anonymous No.6129090]

>>6129076
One of the advantages of CRTs is the degraded video quality, you aren't supposed see the individual pixels in games.

[Anonymous No.6129154]

>>6129090
I can see individual pixels on my consumer Tube TV if the console outputs Component, dude.

The point of CRTs is proper resolution, nice soft image, and perfect motion.

[Anonymous No.6129157]

Consumer tube with s video is all a nigga need

[Anonymous No.6129178]

>>6129157
So I've heard

>>>6129120

[MeowDangsh !!0vovlO1OQTw No.6129417]

>>6124389
Yes absolutely. The best compromise in my opinion is a pc crt with the ossc, scan lines on or off to your liking. This is a much cheaper setup that has the benefit of high quality and zero input lag. Pc crt's are also great for dreamcast/Gamecube/ps2 games.

The only downside is light gun games, those will only work on consumer crt's or pvms, unfortunately. If light gun games are your thing then you can try to find a decent trinitron TV for free, but that won't last long.

[Anonymous No.6129428]

>>6124574
lol sonic waterfall and mario 3 border. and that one commodore game too

[Anonymous No.6129430]

>>6129417
How would you go about connecting a GC or PS2 to a PC CRT?

[Anonymous No.6129467]

>>6129157
This is the definition of cope.

[Anonymous No.6129469]

>>6129430
You plug it in. lol wtf even is this question?

[Anonymous No.6129472]

>>6129430
Not retro but I use a Behar Bros GARO component to VGA transcoder. More problematic with PS2 because most everything is normally 480i.

[MeowDangsh !!0vovlO1OQTw No.6129479]

>>6129430
Component cables into an OSSC, then the ossc into a HDmi > vga adapter (which weirdly just works) > pc crt.

Here's a vid of someone demonstrating it https://youtu.be/iPohK0D8qvM

They are using a snes but replace that with a ps2/gcn and use component cables instead of scart and you're good.

[Anonymous No.6129574]

>>6124389
PVMs are literal memes, if you want CRT visuals just get a $15 TV from your thrift store assuming you can't find one on someone's driveway.

[Anonymous No.6129576]

>>6124389
If you can find one for a reasonable price, it's worth it. Unfortunately the days of snagging up professional monitors for little to nothing are over and the few out there are all but in the hands of scalpers who want top dollar for them. For the cash they want, you're better off buying a G-Sync or FreeSync monitor (Or either an LG OLED or Samsung QLED as they both support VRR) and use it for RetroAch and Mame. RA has built in support for variable refresh monitors and while Mame doesn't support them officially, it works great with them and is a godsend for the arcade games with funky refresh rates.

I don't have any personal experience with the OSSC but it looks to be a solid option if you're a hardwarefag.

[Anonymous No.6129583]

>>6128279
I've never seen visible scanlines on arcade monitors. In fact visible scanlines are a detriment to the image.

[Anonymous No.6129623]

>>6128241
It's so close now that it's impossible from a human perspective to really notice and people who game for a living have largely switched for that reason, and the fact that games can run at much higher FPS. Note that input lag is not display lag, that may be still noticeable on bad LCD but good LCDs is around 1ms MPRT, which is noticeable but isn't a dealbreaker.

Really, as far as modern displays are concerned in technical qualities compared to CRTs, they are pretty much already there except for motion clarity and black levels if you are not going to use OLED. People underplay or forget how bad contrast and geometry is on CRTs also when they are real downsides, even if you can mitigate them. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3c1Ni4B_U for a good comparison with modern gaming displays.

>>6129576
I agree, and I will also say using a PC monitor CRT shouldn't be out of question either if the price is good. But yeah, modern displays with VRR is a godsend because you don't have to eat the input lag cost of Vsync and that brings LCDs much closer to CRTs.

[Anonymous No.6129654]

>>6124389
They're not, I remember when /vr/ would have never thought something so dumb. Now that they're expensive we have people 2nd guessing themselves on common knowledge because some people are sour grapes. Consumer sets are still fine, but anyone trying to play up LCDs with OSSC being the same is massively retarded. They're two different technologies. Input lag is not the only factor over CRTs.

[Anonymous No.6129663]

>>6129576
>use it for RetroAch and Mame
This is fine if software emulation is good enough for you. For me it isn't. I'd have to go with the OSSC and deal with the display's lag and lack of peak aesthetic blooming and softening inherent to CRTs. It would be a major downgrade for me

[Anonymous No.6129792]

>>6129090
Vomit

[Anonymous No.6130642]

>>6129792
>Zoom

[Anonymous No.6130861]

>>6129663
The OSSC experience isn't as bad as you imagine it to be.
I don't miss my CRTs.

[Anonymous No.6130885]

>>6124389

They're not overrated just overpriced. If you got one for cheap when you still could, great, if not, don't sweat it. You can enjoy the technical advantages of the CRT technology ie perfect motion, true black, with no input delay, on any CRT that still powers on, and if you get one with s video or component you have all you need for good color/clarity, simple.

[Anonymous No.6130890]

>>6124389
CRTs in general are overrated.
They have their place and they have their advantages over modern displays without question. I think the pursuit of resolution over image quality has been a foolish one.
But these displays are in no way worth their current price tags. They're old and temperamental. About 6 or 7 times out of 10 they will require some sort of servicing outside the realm of most consumer's capabilities. If they don't now they likely will a few years down the line unless you happen to luck into a mid 00s set. They look quite nice if you get an actual monitor (most consumer sets are fucking worthless thanks to their garbage PSUs) but if you're spending $200+ on any PVM you have lost the plot. Just stick with a modern display at that point.
>>6124430
Fetal alcohol syndrome

[Anonymous No.6130913]

>>6130890
>if you're spending $200+ on any PVM you have lost the plot. Just stick with a modern display at that point.
I'd much rather spend $200+ on a CRT than a digital display any day.

[Anonymous No.6131161]

>>6124763
Very custom driving circuitry, ridiculous refresh rate and strobed multi-segmented backlight or OLED are the only way to even approach something crt does by nature.

[Anonymous No.6131290]

>>6124430
Gotta stretch the video out for advertiser money.

[Anonymous No.6131294]

>>6125541
>Arcade monitors are better than PVMemes.
No they are not.

>They cost that much new because they were for the professional market, where everything is overpriced as fuck.
Again no. They cost that much because they were top of the line shit.
Quality costs. These were not toys, these were used to color check huge Hollywood Productions ffs, they certainly didn't use a shitty ass Arcade Monitor...the idiocy of you retarded fat nerds here never fails to astound me.

>Who cares what a PVM cost when they were made
Anybody who cares about quality and anybody who has common sense.
If you think Arcade Monitors are as good as top-tier BVM/PVM's which developers back in the day used to make their games on then you are fucking retarded. Period.

Also there were huge BVM's and PVM's too. There was one 4:3 monitor which was like 40 inches big.

[Anonymous No.6131297]

>>6125541
>Arcade monitors are better than PVMemes.
No they are not.

>They cost that much new because they were for the professional market, where everything is overpriced as fuck.
Again no. They cost that much because they were top of the line shit.
Quality costs. These were not toys, these were used to color check huge Hollywood Productions ffs, they certainly didn't use a shitty ass Arcade Monitor...the idiocy of you retarded fat nerds here never fails to astound me.
>>6125542
>Who cares what a PVM cost when they were made
Anybody who cares about quality and anybody who has common sense.
If you think Arcade Monitors are as good as top-tier BVM/PVM's which developers back in the day used to make their games on then you are fucking retarded. Period.

Also there were huge BVM's and PVM's too. There was one 4:3 monitor which was like 40 inches big.

[Anonymous No.6131298]

>>6131297
>They cost that much because they were top of the line shit.
They were still massively overpriced because of the market they were in. Don't be so naive.

[Anonymous No.6131313]

Is a LG OLED better than the best CRT? I have the money to buy either but not going to do both

[Anonymous No.6131326]

>>6131298
No they were not.
These kind of displays pretty much always give you way more features to mess with them than consumer displays.
They're also built to last a long time for long uninterrupted hours on end, they use much better/durable materials for safety measures(it's why BVM/PVM's are almost always very cube like in depth), they have extremely accurate color, they have much more I/O options than any consumer device at the time etc.
They cost a lot because they were very expensive to manufacture.

It's why Hollywood was still ordering them from Sony at $20K a pop up until a few years ago when Pro-OLED's got good enough.

[Anonymous No.6131335]

>>6131326
Do you also think Macs aren't overpriced?

[Anonymous No.6131339]

>>6131313
For old games? No.
You're better off with a CRT.
OLED has
more input lag
worse colors(due to WRGB subpixel layour)
worse motion(pixel response times are fast but not as fast as CRT and it simply doesn't have ULMB like strobing at 60hz which is want you want for CRT-like motion clarity and OLED doesn't have the brightness required to good 60hz strobing at acceptable brightness levels either)
It has a native resolution which means you have to buy an OSSC or Framemeister scaler(which only does up to 1080p anyways and doesn't offer support for shaders either)
All OLED TV's are fuck huge so they don't have the DPI required to work decently with good shaders either.
All OLED TV's are fuck huge which is terrible for Retro Games in general which were designed with smaller screen in minds anyways as well.

So in summary go with a CRT.
Years down the line when MicroLED hopefully comes out maybe grab a MicroLED monitor.

[Anonymous No.6131342]

>>6131335
>Comparing top of the line CRT's which Hollywood uses to master their movies on to fucking Apple shit
You are an actual sub-80 IQ idiot aren't you?

[Anonymous No.6131343]

>>6131342
You seem to think Hollywood is immune from overpaying.

[Anonymous No.6131379]

>>6131343
They were not overpriced.
That's simply the realistic price for those displays.

Consumer displays simply didn't have the features or the type of robustness Broadcast/Pro tier shit had. Neither did Arcade screens.
There's a reason Professionals bought them instead of just buying a consumer screen or yanking out a tube from an arcade cabinet.
What's next? Hospital/Oscillosope CRT's were overpriced too?

[Anonymous No.6131607]

>>6129430
>PS2 to a PC CRT
soldering wires to internal testing points outputting HSYNC and VSYNC.

[Anonymous No.6132316]

>>6125658
Maybe if you live in Brazil

[Anonymous No.6132831]

PVM's are only thing because of amerifats without RGB inputs on consumer sets.

[Anonymous No.6132842]

>>6131297
>Developers made games on pvms
Most studios were broke as fuck and used consumer sets.

[Anonymous No.6132965]

>>6129583
And this isn't even a particularly sharp arcade monitor.

[Anonymous No.6132974]

>>6132965
Here's a Nanao

[Anonymous No.6132981]

>>6132974
>Future war
Capcom covering all the bases.

[Anonymous No.6132997]

massive cope and sour grapes itt

[Anonymous No.6133006]

>>6132981
But how can they say for certain it's unrelated to future wars? It could be the very game that's going to start WWIII

[Anonymous No.6133015]

>>6132831
Underrated comment. Why the fuck did we adopt composite as the standard when our culture views excess as good?

[Anonymous No.6133031]

>>6132965
Most arcade monitors are literally just off the shelf consumer monitors crammed into the cab. You're clearly a youngfag who's never seen a PVM in person, an arcade monitor in person, or both.

[Anonymous No.6133058]

>>6125543
>pixels look sharp and squared
But they don't? They look like dots on a PVM.
You sure whatever thing you used to play didn't upscale your game to 480?

[Anonymous No.6133060]

>>6133031
>t.

[Anonymous No.6133069]

>>6133060
Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

[Anonymous No.6133095]

>>6132965
If it has an OSD it isn't an original arcade monitor.

[Anonymous No.6133115]

>>6129058
>I want something that probably has less lines of resolution, most likely has worse sound, can probably not switch between 60and50hrz, and looks like a black box.
MX series (4000/7000) look comparable to a pvm imo, who cares if it looks a little gay?

[Anonymous No.6133140]

>>6133031
Maybe at whatever shithole arcade you went to.

[Anonymous No.6133160]

>>6133115
>not even the same tech
>totally looks liek a pvm guise pls buy my fancy tv!
Go away.

[Anonymous No.6133165]

>>6124389
Yes. Just get a consumer CRT for like $10 or less.

[Anonymous No.6133182]

>>6133160
I never understand why people who don't know anything about the subject feel the need to pretend that they do. Fuck off retard you obviously haven't seen them side by side.

[Anonymous No.6133194]

>>6133095
Why? Modern monitors are almost always calibrated electronically instead of with knobs. Easier to confirm settings and there's less analog drift.

[Anonymous No.6133197]

>>6133182
>I'm not retarded, YOU'RE RETARDED
Retard. I have two B&O's, a consumer trinitron and a 20l4. They don't look the same, no.

[Anonymous No.6133224]

Anyone tried running those fancy retroarch shaders in a regular PC CRT monitor? I remember back in the day using those early CPS1-2 emus by running them in 640x480 with the emulator scanline option, it didn't look that nice but still better than any shader in an LCD monitor.

[Anonymous No.6133231]

>>6133194
Because the ones from back in the day were all knob based.

[Anonymous No.6133242]

>>6133224
An OSSC seems like a good option to use with a PC CRT.

[Anonymous No.6133358]

I have two crt tv's and I prefer lcd by far

[Anonymous No.6133512]

>>6133015
Too good.

[Anonymous No.6133529]

>>6133224
If you're using retroarch on a CRT why not just use native resolution? What's the point shaders when you've got real scanlines, misconvergence, and blur?

[Anonymous No.6133539]

>>6133529
This looks nice. What's the dot pitch on that monitor?

[Anonymous No.6133549]

>>6133539
0.22mm

[Anonymous No.6133865]

>>6133549
Would have thought it was coarser. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.6133871]

>>6133865
The camera blur makes the scanlines look tighter than it does in person. Anything less than 3 feet away gives me massive eyestrain, it's like looking through blinds.

[Anonymous No.6133968]

>>6133529
To get the punchy scanlines from the shaders, must look great on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.6134086]

>>6133197
Sure buddy, you're forgetting your huge mansion made of candy and stardust where you keep those tho

[Anonymous No.6134827]

>>6134086
It was a hot summer day and I was in my workout room benching 1200 pounds. My abs were flexing and girls within a 10 mile radius were getting wet. Once I was done with my daily 32 hour workout I called one of the bitches I know, Jessica. She is really damn hot and looks like a supermodel. SO I got into my Lamborghini Gallardo and reved it up to 40,000 RPM (this is an Italian import with special engine system). I got onto the freeway near my house and threw it into 8th gear, I hit about 600 mph and I could hear the sonic boom as I broke the sound barrier. As I was flooring it on the freeway like a badass, Jessica called me and said she wanted me to fuck her. So be it.I came to a full stop from 700 mph in front of her house. These Ferraris have top notch brakes, you know. So she gets out of the house and walks up to my Bugatti and starts eyeballing my dick. I could tell she was staring at it because when I looked at her I noticed she was looking at my dick. Booya.
Flash forward 10 minutes later, my 30 inch dick is going inside of her VAGINA, hitting them walls. I'm holding her entire body up with my left pinky as I'm fucking her and she has 30,000 orgasms. She looks me in the eyes and she says "harder." V-TEC just kicked in, yo. I blow my load so hard she falls off my dick. There had to have been about two pints of cum everywhere. People say I cum like a pornstar, I wouldn't disagree with them.
I throw her a towel so she can clean herself up then I do a triple backflip into my Maserati and drive home.

[Anonymous No.6134867]

>>6134827
I can tell this post is fake by the knowledge that V-TEC is proprietary technology owned and patented by Honda.

[Anonymous No.6134970]

>>6134867
If that's the only way you can tell you need help. A lot of help.
I can tell by some of the pixels.

[Anonymous No.6135029]

>>6134086
One actually is at the house by the sea. Biggest one is 25" so they don't take up a lot of space.

[Anonymous No.6135169]

Can i use an OSSC just fine with games that constantly switch between different resolutions? Arcade ports on ps2 for instance

[Anonymous No.6135223]

>>6135169
The OSSC itself switches between resolutions almost instantly, much faster than the Framememeister.

That said your TV/monitor may introduce a further delay, depending on how shit it is.

[Anonymous No.6135280]

>>6124427
Please explain how so?

[Anonymous No.6135521]

>>6135280
Hello Try

[Anonymous No.6137407]

>>6124427
literally everything on the internet about upscaling has come from one source: fudoh and the rest is just shmup forums shit.

[Anonymous No.6137997]

>>6135169
It handles it much better than the Xrgb mini, but it's still not as fast as a CRT. I'd say you'll be alright in everything except fighting games that swap resolutions.

[Anonymous No.6138210]

>>6124389
PVMs weren't always so expensive but the hype for them never went down as prices went up. Most people in the CRT scene don't realize that the original appeal was that they take RGB natively (only a big deal for americans) and used to be fucking dirt cheap. Now they aren't cheap and are seen as some status symbol.

[Anonymous No.6138241]

>>6138210
>they take RGB natively
So does any decent CRT made after 2006. People meme the PVM because it has that thicc industrial look and high-res tube.

[Anonymous No.6138265]

>>6138241
That's isn't RGB it's component which is a digital (but very good) signal.

[Anonymous No.6138270]

>>6138265
>component which is a digital
U wot? Component is fully analog.

[Anonymous No.6138271]

>>6138265
component isn't digital...

[Anonymous No.6138476]

>>6138210
>the original appeal was that they take RGB natively
And are built with higher quality parts designed to last, are easily stackable and rotatable with cosmetic styles distinct from consumer CRTs, and for better or worse have to varying degrees sharper tubes

[Anonymous No.6138769]

>>6132974
I have a blast, and it looks incredible

[Anonymous No.6138809]

>>6135029
Bro, if you actually have evidence then post it. It would actually contribute the conversation and maybe we wouldn't have these endless circlejerks.

[Anonymous No.6138813]

>>6138270
>>6138271
Not him, but there's both analog and digital component formats.

[Anonymous No.6138895]

>>6138271
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCbCr

[Anonymous No.6139001]

>>6125512
You don't want a screen that it too good or else it will look like an emulator

[Anonymous No.6139076]

>>6138813
>>6138895
yeah, a ycbcr input on a tv. we're obviously talking about ycbcr when we say component, not ypbpr. who the fuck would ever refer to ypbpr as component? that would be fucking stupid. go get some fresh air you fucking nerds and learn to talk to people.

[Anonymous No.6139104]

>>6139076
no need to be a tranny about it though

[Anonymous No.6139301]

>>6139001
You can set the focus deliberately slightly off if it bothers you.

[Anonymous No.6139303]

Yeah, PVMs are kind of a meme, but CRT in general most definitely is not. You have to be either old enough to remember it, or try it out for yourself, and you wouldn't have a shred of doubt.

The best example I can think of is a game with pre-rendered backgrounds, like the PS1 FF games, or Resident Evil. Those games looked FUCKING SICK on CRT's, butwhen you play them on an LCD, all you see is how low-res the artwork is. CRTs had a natural anti-aliasing quality which, through some kind of magic I don't fully understand, made them look crystal clear and beautiful.

And there's the thing- PVMs give you such a sharp pixel definition, that you can see exactly the same blocky graphics like you do on a modern LCD. Same applies if you play on a VGA PC monitor, which are basically the same thing as PVMs. The actual image quality benefit of a CRT is largely in the natural anti-aliasing effect that makes 2D artwork, and therefore retro vidya in general, look amazing.

But hey, if you like the way they look, you like the way they look. Personally I like it when my girlfriend tickles my butt hole with her tongue, you might not.

[Anonymous No.6139343]

>>6139001
Emulators look great. What’s the issue?

[Anonymous No.6139830]

>>6124389
>Are PVM’s overrated?
Absofuckinglutely
>a good picture
A consumer TV with RGB/Component looks 10 times better than a PVM, especially if it's a slot/shadow mask panel.
>there are LCD’s with only ~10ms lag
That's horse shit. That's lies from the manufacturer, the actual lag is much higher than that.

[Anonymous No.6140283]

bought a bvm in 2014 for $60 on ebay
i would not spend Today Prices on one
i use my Super NT on my 4k tv more anyway lole

[Anonymous No.6140294]

>>6139830
>the actual lag is much higher than that.
Not according to video evidence, only according to you.

[Anonymous No.6140384]

>>6124389
Those devices don't turn LCDs into CRTs, they just even give you a means to play your analog content on a modern LCD television. All the LCD limitations are still there.

[Anonymous No.6140621]

>>6140294
>hurrrrr
Explain how the tv manages to get a whole frame in the buffer and displays it before the console has even generated it.

[Anonymous No.6140715]

>>6139303
>And there's the thing- PVMs give you such a sharp pixel definition, that you can see exactly the same blocky graphics like you do on a modern LCD
You're dead on about the antialiasing effect, but there's a wide variety of pro monitors. Some are too sharp, some give you the fat clinical window blind look, but others are perfect, especially some of the shadow/slot monitors; they're like consumer TVs with better colour, geometry, convergence, settings, and reliability

[Anonymous No.6141930]

>>6124389
>Are PVM’s overrated
yes, they display an image too sharply, its an issue with low res and scanlines, looks basically the same as a 320x240 game displaying in 640x480 on a vga crt with a blacked out scanline generator in the line, or a filter. Its way too clear. A low hours and high end consumer set is much better, and they literally sit on curbs as trash.

[Anonymous No.6141935]

>>6140621
I don’t need to explain basic science to an idiot for free. Go do some reading kiddo

[Anonymous No.6141938]

>>6141930
Also this is coming from someone who has owned two pvms, and still has an ikegami, and like 20 other crts, for retro testing purposes

[Anonymous No.6142007]

>>6141935
Go eat a fat dick while you jerk it to your shitty LCD, turbobrainlet.

[Anonymous No.6142018]

>>6141930
Some people like that look though. These days I find the scanlines on the BVM too strong, in the 90's-00's I would be blown away by the picture quality but I've moved on from that look.

[Anonymous No.6142235]

>>6141930
This basically. My biggest gripe is how it handles PS2 games. Flickering is god awful and my eyes want to go to orbit. But I must say Genesis games looks really crisp
t. 800 line bvm