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Sega could have not designed a worse set of levels for a Sonic game than Marble Zone even if they were trying on purpose. How do you finish Green Hill Zone and then fundamentally forget what your game is? Jesus christ.

>> No.6120437

Yep, sonic 1 just isn't that good. 2 and 3 are much better

>> No.6120445

Sonic 1 is the only good Sonic game

>> No.6120491

While the first sonic game is my favorite, I just can't stand marble zone, not once have I enjoyed it. the platforms are too small, due to Sonic's ice like walking physics and the fact that there is lava everywhere, you die a lot

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>>6120430
>>6120491
Marble zone isn't terrible, I don't like it but after many playthroughs I just remember every step.
Spring Yard Zone just isn't fucking fun, it's a fucking pain in the ass of a level.

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>>6120430
something about sonic 1 and 2 didn't age that great, but theyre objectively better platformers/sonic games then S3. S3 is full of less bullshit but its also kind of boring. alot like megaman x 1 through 3 i guess.

i really like marble zone music.

what are some of your favorite tracks in sonic 1 or 2?

>> No.6120531

>>6120430
the first game went
>green hills = fast
>marble = slow
>spring yard = fast
>labyrinth = slow
>star light = fast
>scrap brain = mixed

>> No.6120538

>>6120523
I had nightmares of trying to beat Spring Yard Zone as a kid. Also, every underwater or liquid zone in Sonic gave me anxiety.

>> No.6120546

>>6120430
Marble Zone is why I barely ever played Sonic even early on and despite getting it as a pack in and only having two other games. Though I'm not a fan of platformers from the get go, Green Hill Zone has some fun bits to it. Marble Zone though was always just a slog and the few times I beat it I was so bored with the game I'd just turn it off after my first death in Springyard.

>> No.6120549

>>6120529

I love Marble Zone music as well.

My favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVAzxhh_cB8&t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIs4whWwTbA

>> No.6120551

Imagine getting pleb filtered this hard by one of the best zones in Sonic games.

>> No.6120689

>>6120551
It's very linear (beyond some simple "let's cut out all of this level" shortcuts), blocky, and except for a few jumps, ignores the fact that Sonic has momentum. There's a few bits where you can run full tilt (finding out that you don't need to wait on the slow lava block section in act 1 and 2 was great), but it's just more annoying than fun.

>>6120491
>ice like walking
I'd say Sonic's movement is precise enough for having precision sections of level like in Marble, although you do need to do some counter-inputs to not fall off.
It's not really slippery, but I guess it's more that Sonic just keeps moving. He stops easily at low or medium speed, but you need to stop him, he coasts along on momentum otherwise.

>>6120546
as a kid, I spent like 90% of my time playing Sonic 2 as a result
now that I'm older, Marble is ezpz, but really, it's not fun

>> No.6120716

sonic 1 is a platformer
sonic 2 is a pinball platformer
sonic 3 is mostly pinball

>> No.6120725

>>6120430
Yeah, I hate Marble Zone and even I think this is a zoomer take, OP. Clearly they were trying to establish early on that Sonic wasn’t JUST a hold right to win simulator. It’s a pity that everyone got the wrong impression anyway, but that’s as much SoA and SoE’s fault as anyone else.

>> No.6120784

>>6120430
Sonic is more than being just about speed. It's about getting all six emeralds and exploring levels.

>> No.6120794

>>6120716
and it's that balance that makes Sonic 2 the king

>> No.6120798

>>6120716
you mixed up Sonic 2 and 3 there, buddy

>> No.6120930

>>6120549
>starlight zone
my negro
>aquatic ruin
my nigga

>> No.6120949

>>6120430
>How do you finish Green Hill Zone and then fundamentally forget what your game is?
...Do you think games are developed in chronological order?

There's even a Romero quote about how you should always make the first level last.

>> No.6121006

>>6120784
Marble Zone is maybe the most linear zone in any Sonic game. There is virtually nothing else to see besides the main path.

>>6120725
Act 1 of Green Hill Zone can be beaten without ever stopping pressing right, but even Act 2 stops that with the spike traps. The entire premise of Sonic in the original document revolves around the speed of the character, which doesn't mean the game needs to constantly wrest control from the player in a tube sequence, but something in the middle that combines platforming, fast sections, and very fast segments that reward careful timing or fast reflexes.

Marble Zone's music is the saving grace.

>> No.6121072

>>6121006
There are hidden paths that allow you to gain more rings and extra lives.

>> No.6121081

>>6120430
>>6120437
>>6120491
>>6120523
>>6120529
>>6120538
>>6120546
>>6120689
>>6121006
Git gud

>> No.6121157

>>6120445
This would be correct if Sonic 1 for Master System didn't exist, but I guess it's still Sonic 1 so...

>> No.6121492

>>6120689
Yeah it wasn't necessarily super hard, it just wasn't fun enough that I wanted to play it till I was good and to this day I can count on my hands how many times I've played 2 and 3 together.

Spinball is weird but pretty rad though, and I've played the crap out of that.

>> No.6121637

Marbel Zone is kino for me because I played it so many times as a kid trying to beat the game.

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>>6120430

>> No.6121723

>>6121705
what the fuck is z8m

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>>6121081

>> No.6121731

>>6121730
He has a point. I can understand getting casual-filtered by Labyrinth Zone, to a degree, but fucking Marble Zone?

>> No.6121793

>>6120430
>How do you finish Green Hill Zone and then fundamentally forget what your game is? Jesus christ.

Underaged zoomer detected. The developers actually did purposefully make Marble Zone much less exciting than Green Hill Zone because they at the time had created the worlds first speed based platformer and thought that kids would get burned out if every level was similar to GHZ. It looks foolish only now but I would say they played it safe by doing this. Child me didn't care because I liked Sonic anyways. Marble Zone is right along the lines of most platformers of the day. These days though sure, this zone should have been way better. Hindsight is 2020 fucker but Sonic Team gets and deserves a pass for Sonic 1's level design.

>> No.6121806

>>6120523
>>6120430
Sonic 1 just feels like a prototype for Sonic 2. Casino Night is everything Spring Yard should have been.

>> No.6121814

>>6121806
>Casino Night is everything Spring Yard should have been.
I disagree. People often complain about the "waiting elevator blocks" in Spring Yard but Casino pulls off much more than that. Waiting blocks, cutscene elevators (Sonic 3 also did this on carnival zone), and overal Casino is full of bumpers and not really that much space to actually use Sonic's momentum.
Spring Yard is a pinball-themed stage but doesn't go full retard about it, and has plenty of tight platforming moments. Casino is still very memorable but kind of a clusterfuck in its design, and Carnival Night was even worse.
Spring Yard is just great.

>> No.6121821

>>6120523
Spring yard is fun as fuck.

>> No.6121886

>>6120531
better way
>green hills = fun
>marble = mixed fun
>spring yard = mixed fun at first, then fun
>labyrinth = not fun at first, then mixed fun
>star light = fun
>scrap brain = most fun

>> No.6121893

also
this >>6121081
and Sonic 1 is the best sonic that people bought Genesis for, since it was included.

>> No.6121923

Labyrinth Zone is the games biggest pleb filter. Literally the only negative is the music restarting if you stay to long underwater.

>> No.6121934
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Marble Zone is The Last Jedi of Sonic zones. It subverts gamers' expectations by following the fast moving and training-wheels design of Green Hill Zone and throws you into three Acts that require precision platforming and evaluation your surroundings before proceeding.

Some say it's the worst Zone. I say it's the thinking man's zone.

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>>6121934
>R1 DVDs
Go with R2 always.

>> No.6122116

>>6121081
Sonic 1's not hard, just dull in some parts. I still like it though I prefer 2, 3 and CD. If you want an actual pleb-filter Sonic game, play Sonic 2 on the Master System.

>> No.6122272

>>6120437
2 is better, 3 is shit.

>> No.6122280
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i've always wanted to see a sonic 1 hack that changes the slow zones into normal tiered speed ones.

>> No.6122303

>>6121081
>>6121731
It's not hard no one said it was hard, it's just fucking slow and boring (Marble Zone that is). Waiting for Spike Platforms to drop down or waiting while on Lava Blocks goes against everything that makes a Sonic game fun.

>> No.6122682

>>6121934
So it's the worst entry in a series of things made for children?

>> No.6123036

>>6120430
Marble zone is fine, git gud.
Labyrinth zone is the only sonic 1 zone that can draw legitimate criticism

>> No.6123061

>>6123036
It's not fun though. That's supposed to be the point of a game.

>> No.6123070

>>6123061
ghet fucking ghood
>>6123036
labyrinth is the biggest pleb-filter of the Sonic series

>> No.6123080

>>6121157
The SMS/GG Sonic games are great

>> No.6123107

>>6123070
I'd rather just spend my time on a good game.

>> No.6123252

>>6120445
This, but only if we talking about Megadrive.
Those >>6121157 >>6123080 are legit, but I would also add Sonic CD.
Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 kinda suck and misinterpret what the original was about. Sonic and Knuckles is passable due to better level design. Spinball is fine for a spinoff, I guess.

>> No.6123268

>>6123107
>sonic 1 isn't a good game
peak contrarianism

>> No.6126073

>>6121793
i also thought it was the standard "early bullshit" level that made you rent the game again.

>> No.6126282

>>6121814
Casino Night doesn't ever really feel like you're just waiting around. Really, it ends up feeling like playing pinball.
There's spots where yeah, you're not actually doing anything, but Spring Yard ends up leaving the player with much more of a feeling that you should be going faster.

>Waiting blocks
usually just like one or two blocks, and you generally get to rev a spindash
>cutscene elevators
again, you're certainly revving a spindash here

>Carnival Night was even worse.
oh yeah
CNZ is actually just kinda obnoxious. It's got its share of platforming, and some of it is actually good, but it's just not a well laid out level. CNZ act 2 is a reasonably strong contender for the worst single stage in the classic Sonic games.

>> No.6126289

>>6120430
Levels where you go through castles with obstacle courses are fun. Labyrinth Zone took all the game's strengths and threw them out the window.

>> No.6126293

>>6126289
Great music though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKgprdDRTY

>> No.6126625

> BAWWWW it makes me feel like I'm bad so I don't like it :(

Holy shit grow a spine

>> No.6126684

>>6120430
Sonic 1 is my favorits jump n run and Marble Zone is my favorite zone in the game.

>> No.6126759

>>6120529
I love Hill Top Zone and I don't care who knows it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKUcIaGvSmw

>> No.6126761

Sonic 1 > all the other Sonics

BTW, Amy Rose is an abomination.

>> No.6127471

Labyrinth Zone was supposed to come after Green Hill Zone. After Labyrinth Zone would come Marble Zone.
Now you know!

>> No.6128781

>>6120430
This board is fucking dead

>> No.6128813

>>6120716

Does that mean Sonic Spinball is really Sonic 4?

>> No.6128817

>>6128781
sonic is a shit franchise deal with it

>> No.6128820

>>6128817
Sonic 1 is a great game. OP is just baiting.
Marble Zone being bad is a recent meme, everyone loved that art deco as fuck level back in 1991.

>> No.6129413

>>6128820


>>6128820
>everyone loved that art deco as fuck level back in 1991

True, I still do, too.

>> No.6129438

Good to see people admitting that Sonic, and by extension Sega, were never any good.

>> No.6129716

>>6129438
Nintenbabby.

>> No.6130537

When I think about it, Marble Zone alone is better than most "hidden gem" platforming games

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>>6122272

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>>6122272
>3 is shit.

>> No.6132674

>>6120430
Sonic 1 was just ok

>> No.6133537

>>6120430
They knew exactly what their game was. But eventually forgot.

>> No.6133557

>>6120430
Half the levels in Sonic 2 are worse.

Underwater and indestructible pillars that require you to float jump? Check.
Traps that fire from behind you (as if watching in front isn't enough already)? Check.
Pits that have spikes in the bottom with no way out (just make them abyss you fucking retard) making you wait the time as Super Sonic? Check.

No idea how my 14 year old me tolerated this shit.