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I'm trying to make a list of the 50 definitive pre-2000 / retro games that are generally accepted as either "must play" or "most important" to gaming. Things the game journos might have a hard-on for. I made a list of what came to mind, but could use suggestions and some help culling the list down to 50.

I do understand a number of these games have either sequels that are better, or similar but more obscure titles that are also better. I'm not looking to necessarily include those. I'm looking mostly for what defines that era.

I'm hoping to play them all and give an honest review of each is why I'm asking.

>> No.6119372

>>6119354
Super Metroid and Metal Gear Solid are good video games but not in the same top tier as Ocarina of Time. Not the best video games of all time. Just good games, in the top 500 but not 50. Easy way to spot a pleb.

>> No.6119376

replace pro skater with pro skater 2

>> No.6119389

>>6119354
>I'm hoping to play them all and give an honest review of each is why I'm asking.
wait, so you're trying to make a list of "top 50 retro games" without having played any of them yet? why, uh, why's that?

>> No.6119395

>>6119372
I'm with you on MGS but Super Metroid is OoT-tier if anything on the SNES is.

>> No.6119397
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>>6119372
>Super Metroid isn't on tier with OoT
You lick circuit boards as a kid?

>> No.6119463

>>6119389
I've played 32 of them. I want to get back into writing. The goal is to review all 50 of them in the context that they came out in 2020. Do they still hold up. It's something fun and different I'd like to try.

>> No.6119469

>>6119372
I'm not trying to make a definitive list of what the best games are here. That's not the objective. The objective is to give a fair critique of what are "generally considered" the Top 50 Retro games.

Yes I do understand game journos have masturbatorial tendencies reviewing what they think are "the greats". That's part of what I'm writing for. To give an assessment of what's actually good vs overrated nonsense.

>> No.6119470

>>6119376
Unfortunately Pro Skater 2 came out after 2000. :/

>> No.6119471

>>6119372
>>6119395
Oddly enough, MGS, Super Metroid and OOT are 3 of the 18 I have yet to play. It's gonna be interesting trying to give an honest critique without nostalgia goggles.

>> No.6119529

mario kart 64 has aged horribly imo

replace it with diddy kong or CTR

>> No.6119553

>>6119354
"Must play" and "most important" are very different qualifications. Day of the Tentacle is a far better game than Maniac Mansion, but Maniac Mansion is the important one. Some shit games are important, e.g. Wing Commander.

>> No.6119572

R6 Rouge Spear

>> No.6119578

>>6119469
>i'm going to review games!
My review of you: cringe

>> No.6119591

>>6119578
cringe is cringe

>> No.6119593

>>6119529
As a huge fan of kart games back then I loved MK64 and never even heard of DKR until probably 2010. CTR seemed like a joke since the Crash games were trash too. And only on this board have I ever seen praise for either.

>> No.6119597

Remember that this is important games, not most fun to play:
https://pastebin.com/8kHn3kef

>> No.6119602

>>6119354
Step back and really consider if ANY Pokemon game deserves a spot. Were any of them considered essential beyond the narrow scope of the fanbase? There are Star Wars games non fans can enjoy. I don't know if the same applies to pokemon. If you want to go there, cool. Just something to think about.

>> No.6119603

>>6119602
Pokemon Red/Blue is the single most deserving JRPG of a spot. Every normalfag has heard of Pokemon. Only FFVII comes close in cultural impact. Dragon Quest also qualifies by its influence on game mechanics and its cultural importance in Japan. No other JRPGs qualify.

>> No.6119726

>>6119529
I agree, Diddy Kong is superior, but this list is based on impact and a general sense of "great" on a mainstream basis. The goal is to critique and highlight there's better options out there.

>>6119553
Duly noted! Forgot about Maniac Mansion!

>>6119602
It's one of the largest cultural phenomenons in gaming history, and is probably the 2nd most iconic franchise on a mainstream basis outside of Mario. Totally agree there's better games in it's respective genre.

>>6119578
You're cringe.

>> No.6119730

>>6119597
Wanted to address you directly and tell you that you're a god! This went above and beyond in helping. Thank you very much anon! :)

>> No.6119737

Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment need to be on this list. They brought Black Isle (and consequently BioWare) to the spotlight and are considered definitive in terms of the influence they've had on the modern Western RPG.

>> No.6119762

>>6119354
Mario Kart 64 is fucking shit. CTR is way better. Also
>Pokemon
Man, why?

>> No.6119769

>>6119354
If SMB1 is on the list then Zelda 1 should be as well

>> No.6119802

>>6119602
poke games only apeal to weeaboos.
>>6119603
>>>/vp/

>> No.6119805

>>6119354
Quake 3 arena

>> No.6119810

>>6119805
It's just a refinement of Quake 1 (which is genuinely important).

>> No.6119936

>>6119593
>CTR seemed like a joke since the Crash games were trash too
Lmao fuck off retard. You are a joke. CTR shits on all Mario Karts. Only Mario Kart 8 is better than CTR

>> No.6120056

>>6119372
>Super Metroid and MGS
>not in the 50 definitive pre-2000 games that are must-play or important
Are you a fucking retard?

>> No.6120061

>>6119354
>Day of the Tentacle instead of The Secret of Monkey Island
Ya blew it.
Also, what the fuck is Soul Calibur doing on there? It's FAR from a must-play.
The list needs LSD, since together with Yume Nikki it's the progenitor of all the weird exploration/absurdist games that will come later

>> No.6120063

"Must-play" and "most important" aren't the same, which is why you need to divide the list into two segments.
For example, when it comes to 2D platformers, not a single one can compare to the importance of SMB1, but there are definitely retro platformers which are must-play because of how often they are discussed. For example, at least SMB3, SMW and DKC1 need to be on that list.

>> No.6120431

>>6119372
>Easy way to spot a pleb.
Nice way to sum up your post, windowlicker.

>> No.6120436

>>6119463
That's stupid, some of them having nothing going for them except that they were influential when they were released and maybe have some nice music or dialogue.

>> No.6120441

>>6119372
I don't love either MGS or SM but they're both much better than OOT.

>> No.6120448

>>6120436
This. Games like Mortal Kombat were influential but there's little reason to play it now. Ditto with Pokemon gen 1.

>> No.6120453

>>6120063
This, Legend of Zelda is more important than LTTP but the latter is the must play.

>> No.6120458

>>6119469
>overrated

>>6119471
>nostalgia goggles.

really looking forward to another "one zoomer's guide to what one zoomer likes and dislikes, presented as objective fact"

>> No.6120547

>>6119354
kick mortal kombat out and add marvel vs capcom 1 or marvel vs capcom 2. don't be a nostalgia kiddy. its not a must play just because it was controversial 30 years ago.

super metroid and oot dont belong.

>> No.6120553

>>6120547
MvC is garbage.

>> No.6120598

>>6119762
Like it or not, Pokemon was a very important game for the JRPG genre, same goes for Chrono Trigger, but for different reasons.
>>6119354
As for the list, I really dont see need for redundancy, if you have SM 64 in the list, you dont need to do other 3D platformers, same goes for the multiple JRPG games. Only one o the 2D Mario games would also be enough, I would go with the SMB. Theres also a lack of sports games, Wave Race 64 and ISSS 2000 certainly deserve a spot.

>> No.6120604

>>6120598
Important yes, but certainly not a must play at this point. Gen 2 maybe or the remakes but OG Gen 1, no way.

>> No.6120606

>>6119354
Looks like your list so far is "generic youtuber's clichéd favorites list". Calling those the best games of the 20th Century is dubious. Calling them the most important is a joke.

>> No.6120609

>>6120606
To be fair, the most popular games are obviously going to be on there. And it's not supposed to be a list of what was influential. OP is just retarded.

>> No.6120613

>>6120606
Cringe.

>> No.6120632

>>6119354
> no Castlevania
I know you have SotN on there but I dont think you should overlook the first as far as importance goes.

>> No.6120667

>>6120632
Ghosts 'n Goblins (arcade) did that game style first, and as such is the mechanically important game. SoTN is the culturally important game.

>> No.6120728

I don't think some people read my post all the way through, or maybe I didn't clarify well enough. I'm trying to catalog what game journos and mainstream generally accept as must play. The intent is to prove that most of the games are either not great or do not hold up in the context of 2020. I do understand there are much better games and that /vr can create a MUCH better list.

>> No.6120731

>>6120606
That was the point of the post.

>> No.6120740

>no strategy game
typical casual dumbass

>> No.6120752

>>6119470
Read the rules more carefully. Retro has nothing to do with the release year of the game.

>> No.6120880

Obscure games are garbage.

>> No.6120927

>>6120553
>I got raped in fighting games and never touched them again
wewlad

>> No.6121052

>>6119376
PS2 is just more PS1, first is more groundbreaking / influental

>> No.6121108

add ultima 4 and wizardry somewhere in your gay list

>> No.6121554

>>6121108
I was just thinking of this.
You can do "must play" maybe but I don't think even this place will tell you some of the most important games in the history of the medium

>> No.6121590

1. Super Mario Bros - Keep.
2. Super Mario 3 - Keep.
4. Super Mario 64 - Keep.
6. Ocarina of Time - Keep.
9. Pokemon - Keep. Red/Blue.
13. Chrono Trigger - Keep.
17. Castlevania Symphony of the Night - Keep.
18. Mario Kart 64 - Keep this one, remove the other Mario Kart.
46. Sim City 2000 - Keep.
27. Pac Man - Keep.
29. Half Life - Keep.
30. DOOM - Keep.
33. Galaga - Keep.

26. Star Fox 64 - Okay.
40. Day of the Tentacle - Okay.

8. Goldeneye - Remove.
39. Mario Kart - Remove.

10. Tetris - Pick one. Gameboy version.
35. Sonic - Pick one. Sonic & Knuckles 3.

21. Street Fighter 2 - Replace with Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting.
23. System Shock - Replace with System Shock 2.
37. Mortal Kombat - Replace with Mortal Kombat II.

You need the following games:
- Planescape Torment (or equivalent Black Isle game)
- The Secret of Monkey Island
- Another RTS. Either Command & Conquer: Red Alert or Age of Empires.
- Lemmings
- Dragon's Lair
- A flight sim or space combat game like Wing Commander or Falcon 4.0

Don't care:
3. Super Mario World
19. Metal Gear Solid
20. Soul Calibur
22. Tony Hawk Pro Skater
24. Donky Kong
25. Yoshi's Island
28. Earthbound
31. Space Invaders
32. Contra
34. Punchout
36. Asteroids
38. Streets of Rage 2
41. Starcraft
42. Tekken 3
43. Tecmo Bowl
44. NBA Jam
45. Super Mario RPG
47. Tomb Raider
48. Donkey Kong Country
49. Turtles in Time
50. Grim Fandango
51. Oregon Trail
52. Gauntlet/Gauntlet Legends
53. Crash Bandicoot
54. Gran Turismo

>> No.6121612

>>6121590
Worst post of all time

>> No.6121750

>>6119354
>Galaga
>Space Invaders
Highly underatted. But I do not know if anyone would agree on Puyo Puyo and Pokemon Snap being on the definitive list. Also it should be the top 100. 50 is far too low for anything Pre-2000's era.

>> No.6121762

>>6121590
Thanks for the feedback!

>> No.6121858

>>6121750
>Galaga
Galaga is just an incremental improvement over Space Invaders. Xevious is more deserving of the place. First notable vertical scrolling shmup, and a huge commercial success. The soundtrack was included in the first ever video game music album, and included in the Earthbound soundtrack as representative of arcade games because it's so recognizable.

>> No.6121949

Missing games:
Ultima Underworld
Dungeon Master

>> No.6122098

>>6119376
Remove any THPS on the list. Maybe if it were a top 500

>> No.6122102

>>6119529
Diddy Kong is terrible and CTR is just ok. MK64 is far better, but F-zero x easily outclasses it. So does Waverace

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>>6122102
>F-zero x easily outclasses it
F-Zero X is a much better game than Wipeout, but Wipeout is the more important one. What other racing game was cool enough to be first revealed in a movie? What other racing game licensed music from big name dance acts? Wipeout sold Playstations, and F-Zero X was largely forgotten.

>> No.6122191

The one that doesn't belong is fucking DKC. There are so many good platformers, it doesn't stand out as particularly revolutionary. Zelda II is much more interesting than it.

>> No.6122193

>>6122134
>F-Zero X is a much better game than Wipeout, but Wipeout is the more important one.
Agree

>> No.6122195

Add the SNES version of Dragon Quest III

>> No.6122201

>>6122134
The Chad Wipeout vs. the virgin F-Zero X. And it was almost the Chad PSX (only virgins called it PS1) vs. the virgin N64, but N64 had a single Chad game (Goldeneye). PSX's aura of Chadness was so powerful that it got actual Chads playing jarpigs (FFVII). Hardware didn't matter nearly as much as XTREME 90s marketing.

>> No.6122205

>>6122201
>F-Zero X
>XTREME 90s marketing
See, even Nintendo tried it with that "X" in the name, but I didn't notice because N64's virgin aura is too strong.

>> No.6122210

>>6122201
You ought to be castrated for typing out this garbled drivel. Stop being such a fucking 4chan tryhard and type like a normal person.

>> No.6122213

Needs Spacewar! for the PDP-1. Easily the most important game before 1970 and frankly more interesting than 70s games like Pong.

>> No.6122271

>>6122210
Chad post.

>> No.6123651

>>6119354

1. Wing Commander Series

2. Command and Conquer

3. WCW/NWO World Tour (and any of the following AKEI/TKO games)

4. Max Payne (bullet time with a soap opera story line)

5. Postal

6. Twisted Metal

7. Ken Griffey Baseball

8. Sunset Riders

9. Lethal Enforcers

10. Punch-Out (should be every top ten list)

11. Mario Paint

12. Pilot Wings (loved that game)

13. Double Dragon

14. TNMT (fuck that game)

15. Top Gun (SNES)

>t. old fag

>> No.6123656

>>6123651

Whoops I meant Top Gun for SNES and Max Payne came out in 2001... I feel shame.

>> No.6123665

Aces of the Deep (still an amazing submarine sim)

Falcon 3.0

Microsoft Flight Simulator

Red Baron was probably the best early simulator

>> No.6123689

Operation Wolf

Terminator 2: Judgement Day

>> No.6125158

>>6119354
>>6119389
this is a dumb fucking thread

>> No.6125548

>>6125158
You're a dumb thread

>> No.6125924

>>6123651
This is a great list! Does anyone know how popular Command and Conquer was in general? I had thought I already had Punch-Out on the list.

Man Mario Paint is giving me some nostalgia.