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Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:17:41 2020 No.6110319 [Reply] [Original]

the advent of 3D deprived us of reaching the true greatness of 2D gaming. As things were getting epic (think Final Fantasy VI, Super Metroid, Sonic 3 & Knuckles...), 3D came and put everything into a halt. I think 2D gaming never reached it's true maturity, not even with the 32bit titles. The 8 and 16 bit gens were gone too fast, meanwhile each 3D machine dragged for too damned long. I wonder what we could've had if 32/64 bit consoles (& 3D arcades) never entered the battlefield during the 90s. Maybe in an alternate universe gaming reached its own identity instead of aping cinema.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:20:52 2020 No.6110325 >>6110319 2d shit is being made today that easily surpasses retro 2d. Clearly you're aware of this as you posted one of the games yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:22:58 2020 No.6110326 People who were making 2D games didn't want to be making 2D games, except for a small minority, everyone, including developers. was left wanting for more. 3D was always going to be the future.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:24:39 2020 No.6110329

>>6110325
the point is that we don't know how much better things would've gotten with 2D AAA releases, instead of relying on one-man efforts (cave story) and small indie devs with little experience. I'm just saying IMAGINE an alternate universe Squaresoft putting 300 workers and massive budget behind a 2D JRPG in 1999 or so. Or new genres being born out of going beyond limitations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:30:31 2020 No.6110339 >>6110329 Considering these small indie studios are matching the AA/AAA 2D of the past, I'm content with that. Want to see what AAA 2D would look like? Go play Octopath Traveler and tell me that actually looks good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:34:19 2020 No.6110351 >>6110329 There's only so much better 2D sprite art can get before it becomes redundant and not worth the effort. At a certain point they stop being sprites altogether.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 16:37:59 2020 No.6110983 >>6110319 It's like the Saturn never existed...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 16:47:41 2020 No.6111001 2D peaked with SNK and Capcom. Games like Metal Slug, KoF, SFIII, never got beat. We had many years of GBA and DS yet there wasn't much improvement on 32 bit 2D games, if at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 20:24:55 2020 No.6111349 >>6110983 >the ultimate evolution of 2D gaming is soft core dating sims

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 20:29:55 2020 No.6111359 >>6110325 >surpasses retro 2d. Quite the imagination.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 20:36:36 2020 No.6111381

>>6110339
It looks pretty good, but Octopath is purposely trying to evoke a "16bit" look, even though the sprites are much higher resolution than Final Fantasy 6. It isn't trying to be highly detailed.

Unfortunately, even though pixel based 2d graphics look way better than polygon graphics, the fact that most consumers can't appreciate the artistry and the fact that they are actually harder to make means they'll only ever be an indie thing. Which is fine except I fucking hate metroidvania games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 20:43:42 2020 No.6111397 >>6110319 The problem is, that 2D sprite art that you're so nostalgic about? It only has that look and feel when it's made in low res. When developers try making the same thing in HD people whine and complain that it looks like a flash game.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 20:47:37 2020 No.6111404

>>6111397
The "flash game" look complaint is entirely legitimate. It has to do with "HD" sprites that have the exact same level of detail as SD sprites, and thus look lazy, combined with poor animation techniques. Even games that look great in stills (Odin Sphere) are revealed as looking awful in motion because the animation is garbage compared to traditional sprite frame animation.

Here's the thing though. Detail doesn't make things look "better". It doesn't make it look worse either. It is an artistic choice. People have known this in art for thousands of years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 22:17:26 2020 No.6111514 File: 13 KB, 812x463, glow up.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6111404 Disgaea 5 looks pretty great because it doesn't use any of those shortcuts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 22:33:11 2020 No.6111526 >>6111381 >except I fucking hate metroidvania games but why?

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 08:53:38 2020 No.6112118

>>6111526
I hate backtracking in a sidescroller. I feel the RPG leveling systems are a replacement for actual game design. I like platformers where every jump matters and enemy placement is designed around level layout.

I don't mind the occasional straight up metroid style game without rpg stuff, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 08:59:02 2020 No.6112121 >>6111381 There are a decent amount of fighting games that still use sprites.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 09:42:40 2020 No.6112169
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>>6110319
>Final Fantasy VI
It looked alright, but didn't need to be 2D at all. If it looked like that one N64 tech demo it would be cool as fuck.
>Super Metroid
You would have a point if there weren't so fucking much new Metroidvania releases all the time. Fuck them and fuck roguelikes.
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Isn't even that good of a game, GBA Sonic titles were better.
Either way, you are retarded. 2D basically peaked in presentation soon after 16-bit era. After that it's all about of how much more animation could be packed in game. And stylized 3D could look as good as 2D even then, while a shitton of 2D is lazy shit to this day. Same thing applies to cartoon visuals by the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 09:28:00 2020 No.6113752 Low Poly 3D and pre-rendered sprites is also good and a decent middle ground, which Sonic Mania unironically uses since since OP likes to be stupid

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 09:51:10 2020 No.6113775

>>6112118
>I feel the RPG leveling systems are a replacement for actual game design.
>implying RPG's aren't game designed

>I like platformers
Metroidvanias aren't platformers, retard. If you can't tell the difference between Metroid and Super Mario games you need to get laid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 19:32:05 2020 No.6114763 File: 211 KB, 499x555, Humpty Dumpty.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6113775

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:20:16 2020 No.6115203 >>6112169 >GBA Sonic was better stopped reading there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:26:18 2020 No.6115210 >>6110325 But the game design of modern games is much worse than in the past. Also most indie pixel games are a mishmash of styles and the aesthetics are usually horrible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:26:22 2020 No.6115212 >>6112169 >GBA Sonic the physics in those games are dead-ass complete dogshit, dude. some of the worst platforming gameplay i've ever sat through.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:23:15 2020 No.6115272 I would have liked 2d to continue but most developers were incapable of making quality 2d games, there was some real crap in the last 2 years of snes and genesis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 03:23:40 2020 No.6115382 >>6110319 >the advent of 3D deprived us of reaching the true greatness of 2D gaming 2D has been MURDERED. Courtesy of SONY. Because they were too gay to draw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 07:42:02 2020 No.6115612 >>6110329 >I'm just saying IMAGINE an alternate universe Squaresoft putting 300 workers and massive budget behind a 2D JRPG in 1999 or so cries in Xenogears

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 07:45:15 2020 No.6115613 File: 702 KB, 1920x1080, DOF off.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6110339 Octopath looks a million times better if you disable the depth of field effect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 07:47:09 2020 No.6115615 black and white films never reached their peak because color ruined it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 07:48:50 2020 No.6115617 File: 528 KB, 1920x1080, DOF on.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6115613 For comparison, this is with DOF. It's just way too intense

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 08:40:10 2020 No.6115675 >>6115615 MP3 files never reached their peak because MP4 ruined it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 11:39:08 2020 No.6115971 >>6111349 Duh, and the peak of VR will be sex robots.

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 12:30:34 2020 No.6116059

>>6115210
>But the game design of modern games is much worse than in the past
Modern AAA, sure. If you're including AA and indie in that, you're just being a contrarian nigger.
>Also most indie pixel games are a mishmash of styles and the aesthetics are usually horrible.
Not unless you're comparing the worst indie pixelshit to the best 2d titles we grew up with. Underrail, Dead Cells, Blasphemous, and Darkwood are a few recent examples of indie pixel-art games that are all aesthetically excellent.
>>6115613
>>6115617
Genuinely perplexing that they thought shitting up the game with that much blur was a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 12:41:57 2020 No.6116085 >>6111526 Not only what >>6112118 mostly said, but they're also oversaturated in the indie market (they're almost the equivalent of AAA shooters) and they barely offer anything different or unique compared to eachother and its inspirations,

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 12:54:26 2020 No.6116114 >>6110325 no it does not at all. the artwork in the old games is far superior as well as some of the creativity and work they put into them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 12:55:40 2020 No.6116118 >>6110339 this game is obviously 3d with some 2d sprites. hence, its shitty

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 14:32:51 2020 No.6116280 >>6116059 >>6110329 >>6110339 You guys know there is literally zero objective, subjective, or even implied definition to the term AAA right? Literally zero. I could call ET on the Atari AAA and you wouldn't be able to contradict me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 15:45:23 2020 No.6116436 >>6116280 >contrarian eurocuck brings absolutely nothing to the discussion yet again lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 21:53:46 2020 No.6117158 File: 143 KB, 1050x462, 6_most_common_battery_types-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6116280 where's your god now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:11:49 2020 No.6117184 >>6116436 Go back to /b/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 22:12:35 2020 No.6117186 >>6117158 >AAA batteries are the ones you always end up with but nothing in your house fucking uses Portmanteau

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 14:53:14 2020 No.6118642 >>6115212 You're actually supposed to play first one as Amy and skip the second one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:58:19 2020 No.6119179 Sonic Mania would have been a great game - if it were released 25 years ago.

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