/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6107496]

What went so right? No one in the "dream team" came close to approaching its perfection by themselves. Who was it that brought it all together?

[Anonymous No.6107581]

Square had he skill and experience, the "bones", whereas Horii and Toriyama knew how to make a good jrpg presentation or skin, the "soul". Sakaguchi brought the drama, and Horii the comedy.

I think that, in the end, it was a good mix that made the game feel more complete. It is said in some interview that Horii knew how to make good dialogues despise the limitations of the medium, and many of the situations in the game were planned by Sakaguchi. So I'll say it was all there, but not always in the same room.

[Anonymous No.6107608]

Mitsuda. The music is far and away the best and most memorable part of the game, or at least the part that people think fondly about the most when they're not actively playing the game. They associate it strongly with the art too, but you won't typically see people looking through art books in their spare time while you will see people listen to the music just on its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGqN1ZOEJQ

this is a cool video; this guy is able to talk about complex musical things without sounding too much like an "insider"

[Anonymous No.6107625]

Trigger is a hodgepodge of mediocrity that for some reason has been hyped by autists to high heaven. The music is the only good part, and that's just leftover tracks from SoM development.

[Anonymous No.6107640]

>>6107625
You may want to update this image. Even though it changed the word "trigger" to "triggered," the Japanese text still reads as a transliteration of "Chrono Trigger." It kind of ruins the effect.

[Anonymous No.6107657]

>>6107625
>hyped by autists
And then along comes this post >>6107640
Simply priceless

[Anonymous No.6107665]

>>6107657
I wrote that nonsensical post to fuck with you, and took this screenshot to prove my intent when you inevitably took the bait.

Come back when you've grown up a little bit, champ. Maybe you can troll with the big boys.

[Anonymous No.6107676]

>>6107665
What the fuck, how could you do something like that to me? I thought we were all friends here.

[Anonymous No.6107680]

>>6107640
OK

[Anonymous No.6107683]

>>6107640

[Anonymous No.6107684]

>>6107496
Why the hell does he look like a generic DBZ character

[Anonymous No.6107715]

>>6107684
Because Toriyama is a sameface hack and shouldn't have been drawing in the first place. Luckily the sprites only remotely look like his shit.

[Anonymous No.6107760]

>>6107715
Because JRPGs have never had an MC who wears a cape and/or goggles and uses a European sword

Certainly Toriyama has never designed an MC who wears a cape and/or goggles and uses a European sword for a JRPG produced by the exact same man in charge of Chrono Trigger

[Anonymous No.6107778]

>>6107684
thats toriyama for you

[Anonymous No.6107780]

>>6107715
chicken scratch doesn't look good

[Anonymous No.6107805]

Toriyama actually doesn't have a sameface problem per se. As you can see here he has a wide range of brow shapes, eye shapes, irises, noses, etc. If you Google "anime sameface" you will realize that he is actually WAY better in this regard than many artists.

If anything he has a samehair problem, with the males/shounen all having that kind of hair Goku/Super Saiyans have. Though this is a product of the demographic that buys/bought/watched this kind of show/game and is not unique to Toriyama (see Cloud). I would mention that many have black hair as well, but then Dragon Ball is supposed to take place in "sort of" Asia so this is understandable.

But really it's moreso that Toriyama just has a very distinct overall style, not just with his faces but his shading, lines, and other conventions. And again, this is something many artists, even fairly good ones, will never achieve and would give their left nut to do so.

[Anonymous No.6107823]

>>6107778
This picture never ceases to crack me up. Because of it I always read the game's dialog in Sabat's Vegeta voice.

[Anonymous No.6107840]

Everything in it is nice, I don't think any of it is particularly outstanding. I just find the future setting to be a drag but the rest of the game is very well executed.

[Anonymous No.6107878]

>>6107715
I wanna marry inventor girl

[Anonymous No.6107890]

>>6107665
>putting so much thought into your shitposts that you prepare and document refutations in advance

nope, no autism here

[Anonymous No.6107892]

>>6107890
What's worse: being a little petty, or being so predictable and dronelike that someone can write your responses on a card before you even speak them?

[Anonymous No.6107970]

>>6107778
>>6107684
Chrono Trigger is the least samefacey Toriyama's art has ever been though

[Anonymous No.6107992]

>>6107892
Is this a JoJo reference?

[Anonymous No.6108025]

>>6107665
Autism detected, and not the good Rain Man kind

[Anonymous No.6108031]

>>6107581
>>6107608
Basically everything OP
>>6107778
Kek

[Anonymous No.6108045]

It's the proto ps4 movie game ala the last of us. Straight forward but novel character driven story, very very strong plotting. Extremely brisk pacing to facilitate the plotting and story. Very low difficulty to facilitate the pace. An emphasis on spectacle and set pieces instead of depth of mechanics. All this allows the developers to imprint a very specific and intentional experience on the player, and for it to be uniform across every player. The design ideology is very far ahead of its time, all things considered. Personally I do not enjoy this style of design, and wouldn't recommend the game on its merits of gameplay at all, but for the theme park like experience which does have some value and it quite entertaining on your first playthrough. I would not recommend it to someone to "initiate" them on jrpgs as it is in many ways the anti-jrpg.

[Anonymous No.6108421]

>>6107970
Literally everything made by Toriyama looks like one of his handful of samefaces or two other samefaces combined.

[Anonymous No.6108470]

>>6107892
>say something stupid
>predict someone will call you stupid
>"lol owned!"
Wow, what a fucking wizard.

[Anonymous No.6108516]

>>6107805
So Crono is Goku+Trunks (I get a feeling it's not coincidental, Trunks is shown to use time travel in DBZ and is a sword fighter), Magus is Vegeta+Piccolo, and Marle is literally Bulma with different hair color. Kinda lazy when you think about it, but I still prefer Toriyama's designs over these made by that guy at Square >>6107715

Another reason why I love CT is that there are no fucking random battles out of the ass every five steps or so. And grinding sucks.

[Anonymous No.6108521]

>>6107625
tpbp

[Anonymous No.6108529]

Except dragon quest V and III are both better than it and so is FF7.

[Anonymous No.6108556]

Shit thread.

[Anonymous No.6108581]

>>6108516
I don’t know why people always tout the random battles thing. Sure, there are a decent number of monsters where you can hug the wall to avoid them, but for the most part the game still railroads you into most of the encounters it wants you to have. So they’re not random battles so much as they are “scheduled” battles, like in FF13 or something.

[Anonymous No.6108697]

>>6108045
they hated him because he told the truth

[Anonymous No.6108752]

>>6108697
But no one replied to him except you.

[Anonymous No.6108768]

>>6107496
Chrono Cross is much better

[Anonymous No.6109053]

>>6107665
I've done this shit before too lmao

[Anonymous No.6110170]

>>6108768
It's really not.

[Anonymous No.6110196]

>>6110170
yes it is

[Anonymous No.6110251]

Chrono Trigger is very efficient. If you try and examine its setting beyond what's required for plot and themes, you'll find basically nothing. Though this also means its sense of flow tends to be great, excepting getting red rock to fix the Masamune. There's also a lot of creativity to its components, in effect, it's got a lot of spectacle even if it's only skin deep.

[Anonymous No.6110275]

>>6107715
>>6107970
>>6108421
The problem is just post-DBZ Toriyama. Chrono Trigger would've benefitted from looking more like the original Dragon Ball or Dr. Slump, but he just didn't want to miss an opportunity to ride DBZ's popularity at the time with it.

[Anonymous No.6111754]

>>6108516
I thought Lucca was Bulma since they are both inventors

[Anonymous No.6111861]

>>6107823
I read him in Nick Landis' Vegeta

[Anonymous No.6111956]

>>6107640
neeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd

[Anonymous No.6111982]

>>6110275
Looks like crap too.

[Anonymous No.6112007]

>>6111982
He's still using the DBZ artstyle for Crono there. It's just a light parody. The point is that Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump are less samefacey than DBZ. Crono looks like Goku with dwarfism instead of kid Goku.

[Anonymous No.6112076]

The lack of CT doujins has always annoyed me.

[Anonymous No.6112078]

>shitting on based Toriyama’s beautiful style

[Anonymous No.6112113]

Does this game has the same frustrating Random Encounters mechanics as FF6? I'm currently playing FF6 for the first time, but I can't bring myself to finishing it because of the damn encounters.

[Anonymous No.6112567]

>>6107640
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.6112569]

>>6107805
>Toriyama actually doesn't have a sameface problem per se
>image full of samefaces

[Anonymous No.6112598]

>>6112113
Pre-existing encounters, either hidden or enemies walking in plain sight.

[Anonymous No.6112618]

>>6107625
oh look! the contrarian faggot is trying to stroke his ego again! Every classic game is overrated amirite?

[Anonymous No.6112846]

>>6107496
It's name is Masato Kato. Zeal was entirely his doing and is one of the most important aspects of the game aesthetically and thematically.

[Anonymous No.6112864]

[Anonymous No.6113474]

>>6112618
No but trigger sure as fuck is

[Anonymous No.6113880]

>>6112598
Sounds great, thanks

[Anonymous No.6114984]

>>6113474
You don't even like video games. You lurk CT and CC threads to shit on CT but you never actually say a game you think is better.

[Anonymous No.6116505]

>>6107625
>GOOD GAME BAD, WHAT NOW?
Riveting.

[Anonymous No.6116510]

>>6107715
I don't even like Dragonball and I think it looks fine. Sameface, sure, but it's not like you're gonna be looking a bunch at their faces for much of the game.

[Anonymous No.6116516]

>>6108025
How is Rainman autism good? He was a dysfunctional retard who needed constant supervision.

[Anonymous No.6117239]

>>6107496
>What went so right?
the sequel.

[Anonymous No.6117263]

This is better than Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.6117337]

>>6116516
He could count cards and make money gambling. You can’t make money screen scrapping your own troll posts to gotcha people on 4chan. Rain man has more of a functioning place in society than most people on this site

[Anonymous No.6117618]

>>6116505
See
>>6108045

[Anonymous No.6117638]

>>6117618
>>6108045
Interesting perspective. Don't entirely agree with it, but I see the logic in it.

[Anonymous No.6117693]

>>6108529
And Wild Arms 1.

[Anonymous No.6117758]

>>6107496
It's the most overrated Square game together with FF7/6

[Anonymous No.6117762]

>>6110170
It really is, casual.

[Anonymous No.6118159]

>>6117618
/v/-tier post.

[Anonymous No.6118559]

>>6117618
>See

More like SEETHING

[Anonymous No.6118584]

Is the DS version of this game alright?

[Anonymous No.6118598]

>>6118584
best version there is

[Anonymous No.6118601]

>>6107496
>Who was it that brought it all together?
Unironically Ted Woolsey. If it had as more sterile, faithful translation, it wouldn't be half as memorable and loved as it is.
>>6118584
No, they completely butchered the re-translation.

[Anonymous No.6119369]

>>6118584
Arguably the best.

>>6118601
How so?

[Anonymous No.6119460]

>>6107496

Aside from the graphics and music.

- the game had memorable scenes and a variety of places to visit
- it has no grinding
- it has no pointless paddding (see Assassins Creed)
- Sidequests don't take forever and give good rewards
- not too much side content but that makes it better
- the game isn't too long nor is it short. It also has replay value with new game plus!
- all characters are memorable, even the villains.

[Anonymous No.6119476]

>>6118584
The bonus dungeons are crap, and it's missing Woolseyisms. But the game is largely intact.

[Anonymous No.6119484]

>>6117239
Worst sequel ever

[Anonymous No.6119550]

chrono cross was good, damnit.

[Anonymous No.6119596]

>>6119550
Don't mind the "SNES JRPGs, especially Chrono Trigger, were the absolute peak of gaming and anything that tries to follow them is a complete fucking disgrace that I will bitterly shoot down in every 4chan thread, which I spend my life watching for" crowd.

[Anonymous No.6119819]

>>6119550
chrono cross KILLED THE FRANCHISE!

[Anonymous No.6119959]

>>6119550
It really wasn't by any stretch of imagination.

[Anonymous No.6120220]

>>6119959
compared to what? It was better than FF7, 8 and 9. and while it didn't have a strong cast of characters like CT, the story and battle system were still good and the art direction and sound track were better.

[Anonymous No.6120221]

>>6119819
sure. the fact that all the creators left square to pump out shitty prequels to zenogears probably didn't have anything to do with that.

[Anonymous No.6120226]

>>6120220
>It was better than FF7, 8 and 9
It absolutely wasn't and it takes a tremendous level of delusion to say that, so I'm hoping you're joking.

[Anonymous No.6120227]

>>6119484
seething. cross was better than trigger and the only people who disagree are plebs who got filtered.

[Anonymous No.6120234]

>>6117758
no, the most overrated square game by a country mile is ffx. you're not even allowed to criticize that shitfest on /v/ anymore without a bunch of zoomers screeching at you. it has the exact same flaws as ffxiii but gets a free pass because the box says "squaresoft" instead of "square enix."

[Anonymous No.6121232]

>>6120221
>chrono cross KILLED THE FRANCHISE!
DEAL WITH IT! NO NEW GAME IN ALMOST 21 YEARS

[Anonymous No.6121832]

>>6108529
Yes for DQ, FF7 is trash though. If you had said FF4 then I would have agreed with you

[Anonymous No.6121836]

>>6120226
>liking FF post-6
Disgusting taste

[Anonymous No.6122169]

>>6121836
I don't, but I know it's a better made product that whatever the fuck CC was. Even the trash fire that was 8.

[Anonymous No.6122302]

>>6120227
A contratian /vr/ poster and video game design professor was teaching a class on Hiromichi Tanaka, known ruiner of franchises.
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Tanaka and accept that he was the greatest Square employee ever, even greater than Sakaguchi!"
At this moment, a brave, patrician, pro-Trigger anon who had gotten every ending on the original hardware and understood the necessity of a limited character roster stood up and held up his hand.
”What if one prefered Trigger to Cross, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked and smugly replied “then they're a pleb who got filtered."
”Wrong. It's been 20 years since Cross came out. If Trigger were for plebs as you say… then there should have been far more Cross threads than Trigger threads by now."
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of the Chrono Cross Official Strategy Guide. He stormed out of the room crying those contrarian crocodile tears. The same tears contrarianss cry for the "SaGa" series when people still like FF better. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Anon Anonington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than /vr/ dweller. He wished he had a good battle theme to encourage him, but he himself knew that Cross's battle theme was annoying and he tired of it years ago!
The students applauded and all started a playthrough of Trigger that day and accepted Toriyama's art as genius. An eagle named “Frog's Theme” flew into the room and perched atop the Rainbow Shell and shed a tear on the chalk. Belthazar's Mystery of Life was read several times, and Mitsuda himself showed up and composed a song to mark the occasion.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He was banished to /v/ and condemned to waifu-posting for all eternity.
His HP/MP was restored, but he was still hungry.

[Anonymous No.6122440]

>>6107608
I love that pinned comment.

[Anonymous No.6122446]

>>6111982
Injust realized I love everyone elses's character design except Marle and I hate Chrono's design.

[Anonymous No.6122449]

I liked Cross better.

[Anonymous No.6122548]

>>6122302
That Anon's name? Albert Einstein.

[Anonymous No.6122927]

>>6107496
Overrated trash

[Anonymous No.6123565]

>>6107496
>Who was it that brought it all together?
Yoshinori Kitase
>>6118584
It's fine but the SNES original is superior because of the higher resolution and better quality audio. The "new content" in the DS version just isn't worth it.
>>6119460
Also Chrono's pacing is near-perfect. The one thing that most JRPG's screw up.

[Anonymous No.6125375]

>>6122302

[Anonymous No.6126860]

>>6122927
kys.

[Anonymous No.6126875]

>>6122302

[Anonymous No.6126878]

>>6117263
Super Mario RPG may be the most overrated game of all time. Is it good, perhaps even approaching great? Sure. But holy fuck do people place it way too highly among Mario RPG's, RPG's in general, and SNES games.

[Anonymous No.6127131]

>>6118559
saved and /thread

[Anonymous No.6127243]

>>6122449
>I liked Cross better.
FRANCHISE KILLER!
I HOPE YOU ENJOY no new game in 21 years
because of that crappy game!