/CRT/ Thread - DeluxePaint Edition

[Anonymous No.6106991]

Previous thread: >>6078735
>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 5th Gen (+Dreamcast) games on back. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright. Tips'n'Tricks™ coming soon™.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for other's choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.

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[Anonymous No.6106996]

Remember to disregard the scart meme!

[Anonymous No.6107002]

>>6106996
Doing the lord's work.
>>6104205
your PVM isn't my pvm. They're way too noticeable on mine.
Though on the title screen the effect is kind of cool. I really can only bear to use mine for 480i/480p stuff.
>>6106991
Lovely convergence on that.
As for the drawing, the neck's a little long but I'm assuming you're aware of that already.

[Anonymous No.6107009]

>>6105092
What won't degauss? Are you >>6100869 ?
In that case open it up, make sure there's not some slipped convergence strip or a speaker magnet with something metal stuck to it. If you still can't make it clear up, you have two options. One is to try to manipulate the deflection yoke and use magnets strategically positioned to correct it, and the other is to give up, resign yourself to the warped shadow mask and get another set.

[Anonymous No.6107045]

>>6107002
thick scanlines are fucking gross

[Anonymous No.6107052]

Hi guys, newbie here (23yo) does anybody able to explain to me why I have a flat screen SD Trinitron that doesn't say Wega and a flat screen SD Trinitron that does say Wega and what the difference is? The Wega is 24" and the non-wega is 36". I'm also interested in the Sony KV crts because I like the thin black frame around the screen instead of the giant silver speaker boxes, are they good?

[Anonymous No.6107206]

How much is too much for a PVMeme?

[Anonymous No.6107212]

>>6107206
You've payed too much if
1. You didn't get it for free
2. They don't deliver it to your address at their expense
3. You don't get a blow job at the door
4. You don't immediately punch them in the face after you finish blowing your load

[Anonymous No.6107232]

>>6107206
That entirely varies from model to model and especially size. A good rule of thumb though is anything over $400 for most 20" models is too much, and anything over $200 for 14" models is too expensive. Note that I'm being rather generous with those prices because that's what I sell mine at, but you can find 14" cheaper than that if you're willing to get one with a problems (or possibly none). Same goes for the 20", but you aren't going to find those on sales postings for that price because of greed. You actually have to hunt them down for a good price.

[Anonymous No.6107273]

>>6107212
Fuck I didn't punch the guy. I got ripped off

[Anonymous No.6107331]

>>6107232
Thanks for the help, anon. Going by that info it seems like most ebay sellers are insane.

[Anonymous No.6107351]

>>6107331
I wouldn't nessisarily say that about them. You have to keep in mind that Ebay was literally made to allow people to sell their products exactly according to the current markets value (worldwide). This means the people who shop on ebay are more than happy to pay way more than they have to for something they either can't find where they are, or are just too lazy and rich to care. There are much cheaper ways to find pvms in most places, but say you live in Alaska for some fucking reason right? You're never going to find a pvm out there. Like ever. And if you do it's going to be incredibly expensive. Ebay would just make it so if you wanted one in Alaska you could pay less than what you would otherwise have to pay in a barren market.
What's insane is people listing their garbage on local markets and hoping to get ebay prices out of them.

[Anonymous No.6107382]

Hey this was from ages ago and I never really got an answer. Any help would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.6107419]

>>6103692
Why do I see this being posted all the time?

[Anonymous No.6107434]

>>6107419

[Anonymous No.6107481]

>>6107351
That's true, but I thought the days of finding a PVM in good, working condition for a reasonable price ended in the earlier part of the 2010's. I guess I haven't been looking hard enough despite being in a large city.

[Anonymous No.6107489]

>>6107382
>>>/diy/ can help you out better probably anon. theyre really crafty, i check it out here and there.

[Anonymous No.6107518]

>>6107481
I've found plenty of them in the New England area. My advice it to CALL, not email (although emailing as well couldn't hurt. Send pics though.) broadcast studios and just about anywhere that existed before 2000 and would have needed pro monitors to operate. I also recommend emailing electronic recyclers, hell you can try calling them too. I recommend calling though because they don't know what a pro crt monitor is unless you send them pictures.
Shame, I think I might have just about tapped this area out though. ME excluded though.

[Anonymous No.6107558]

>>6107206
>How much is too much for a pvmeme
$100. I've owned several and they really aren't worth the kind of money people ask for them (in my opinion).
As long as there are gullible fools there'll be scalping on them though. That's why they're a meme.
>>6107382
No idea what TP5 means, just get a correct rated cap and you'll be fine. It's probably not THAT important.
Stop fretting about frequencies and ripple currents. 99% of the time it doesn't matter for this kind of stuff.
>>6107419
Because someone thinks he's clever.

[Anonymous No.6107686]

I might actually prefer this commodore monitor over my Panasonic. Need to finally make that sync splitter so I can try it with the same consoles normally I use my Panasonic with.
It's nice that it has a matte finish, for sure.

[Anonymous No.6107687]

>>6107686
In the meantime just fucking around in deluxepaint.
It really is a great program for pixel art, even now. Though Grafx2 is probably a natural successor for modern hardware.

[Anonymous No.6107704]

>>6107687
The CRT part number in case anyone else is interested.
I always am interested when I find similar CRT's in vastly different products. Found nearly identical chungwha tubes in a dinky little magnavox PC (31khz) CRT and in a really, really nice pro 15khz monitor in the past, for instance.

[Anonymous No.6108131]

>>6107052
Hello other 23 year old (I'm not new though). It's a marketing term. Mostly meaningless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEGA

[Anonymous No.6108837]

>>6106991
Just checked 2 thrift stores in my area and no CRTs. Shit luck I suppose.

[Anonymous No.6108897]

>>6108837
If you have a goodwill or thrift store where old people or niggers live you can still find some CRTs

[Anonymous No.6109102]

How real does this look?
(Retroarch with Looksbuilder)

[Anonymous No.6109105]

>>6109102
original

[Anonymous No.6109114]

>>6108897
That's where I searched. 2 goodwills near me. Nothing but some good LCD's that I almost bought but I said fuck it I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.6109197]

>>6109114
You’re 5 years late to the bandwagon. Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.6109204]

Where the hell do I buy good CRTs in the UK?
Is it a pipe dream to look for a coveted 1080i CRT?

[Anonymous No.6109216]

>>6109102
I don't want to admit it, but that looks better than my CRT.

[Anonymous No.6109218]

>>6109216
How so?

[Anonymous No.6109229]

>>6107351
CRTs range from free to $50 on Craigslist. Even a modern 55" flatscreen doesn't break $200. If you price your shit there like eBay all you'll get is disappointment when your trash doesn't sell.

[Anonymous No.6109271]

>>6109197
Bandwagon? And you're seriously calling other people retarded. Got it.

[Anonymous No.6109291]

>>6107045
BASED. Why spend big money on a professional monitor that's just going to eliminate 50% of the picture.RGB mod a consumer shadow mask if you want quality.

[Anonymous No.6109296]

>>6107206
Having owned several pvm and bvm, I would say $100 for a 13" and $200 for a 20". I know they cost more, but honestly it's not worth the price. You'll find yourself playing on a larger consumer model if you actually game. PVM is for nerd cred and watching anime or non retro systems. I'm not being facetious here either. RGB is very nice, but you're much better off going rgb to component with something like the retrotek box and playing on a larger consumer set with component. This comes from a dude with an absolute perfect geometried 20" pvm. Maybe it would be ok for a desk, but it's best at collecting dust.

[Anonymous No.6109325]

>>6109204
there was like 1 HDCRT model in europe, and it's a Samsung slimfit aka shit

[Anonymous No.6109329]

>>6107382
5 *11 are the dimensions of the cap maybe, there are a ton of fucking sizes, 5mm x 11mm might be the answer, I know I need to be specific on AL caps size with my suppliers or they will send me whatever and usually it is not a perfect fit, but usually fits well enough nonetheless

break out the calipers and get the size of the orig cap

[Anonymous No.6109345]

>>6109271
Uh, yeah, CRTs are a bandwagon fad and you’re late.

[Anonymous No.6109372]

>>6109204
Facebook marketplace, Gumtree, eBay. You need to have a car and be willing to drive. Occasionally you can find them in your local British Heart Foundation furniture and electrical shops but they stop stocking all but the best ones. A lot of pople sell the Sony LS series on eBay not knowing they're excellent for retro games, even the wide ones.

[Anonymous No.6109391]

>>6106996
>This post brought to you by jealous component-only NTSCfags

[Anonymous No.6109469]

>>6109197
>You're not allowed to have CRT's if you got them after 2014/2015

[Anonymous No.6109485]

>>6109102
that looks like shit compared to the original.

[Anonymous No.6109760]

>>6106996
the autism continues.

[Anonymous No.6109974]

>>6109345
Nice try. CRT's have been around a lot longer than people just being aware of their relevance again.

[Anonymous No.6109993]

>>6109485
How so does it look like shit?

[Anonymous No.6109994]

>>6109325
slimfit is a large line of tvs and my own 29" "hdtv ready" Samsung slimfit just downscale 1080i/720p to 480p afaik, 32" wide models doing the same accorded to reviews. quality is not bad, but some modes i.e 480i s-video with bad geometry, factory uncalibrated

[Anonymous No.6110361]

>>6109974
That doesn't mean they're not a bandwagon fad now, retard.

[Anonymous No.6110426]

Anon from last thread who tried RGB modding a Toshiba reporting back with success. The colors on this thing still put most LCD TVs to shame.

[Anonymous No.6110452]

>>6109325
I wonder why HDCRTs were not a thing in Europe

[Anonymous No.6111045]

would a simple composite to s-video converter cable give me the same visuals as using a regular s-video cable

[Anonymous No.6111052]

>>6111045
No.

[Anonymous No.6111195]

>>6111045
no

[Anonymous No.6111237]

>>6110361
>Implying that something people are interested in is a bandwagon
YEAH MAN THE NORMIES ARE PILING UP THOSE CRTS
HANG ON I HAVE TO MAKE A NEW TIN FOIL HAT REALLY QUICKLY HAHA NO BIG DEAL

[Anonymous No.6111246]

What's a good vga to component converter. Want the best Dreamcast output on my component trin.

[Anonymous No.6111268]

>>6111246
there's a guy on ebay called linuxbot3000 who sells them for a reasonable price. not in stock atm but you could go to his website which has his contact info. I think he should have a new batch ready in like 2 weeks or less.

http://wakabavideo.com/

[Anonymous No.6111271]

>>6106991
she cute

[Anonymous No.6111272]

Trinitron is a real meme. My Dell Trinitron monitor broke and I took it to the junkyard. Since I was already there I left with a Hitachi shadow mask set and at default settings the colors are so much better. On the Dell I had to make a compromise between deep blacks with anything below #303030 unnoticeable or bumping up brightness so #000000 looks like #202020.

[Anonymous No.6111284]

>>6111272
>Dell

[Anonymous No.6111287]

>>6111271
he*

[Anonymous No.6111317]

>>6111284
>literally a rebranded Sony Trinitron

[Anonymous No.6111385]

Have a low-effort PVMeme 20L5 pic.

[Anonymous No.6111387]

>>6111385
Yuck. Looks like a cheap shader.

[Anonymous No.6111393]

>>6111387
Please tell me what shader simulates misconvergence.

[Anonymous No.6111431]

>>6111271
Thanks.
>>6111287
Aiming for "she," but I can see why you'd say that. Not very good at drawing generally.

Slightly revised and improved I hope

[Anonymous No.6111434]

>>6111393
You hit the nail on the head, I'm trying to fix it. The yoke was loose for whatever reason on the tube neck.

[Anonymous No.6111465]

>>6111246
dreamcast VGA output is 480p. Even if you convert to component you'll need a CRT that can display 480p. If your trinny is SD it won't work

[Anonymous No.6111467]

>>6111045
No, but a really good external comb filter can produce similar results.

[Anonymous No.6111498]

>>6111465
Any way to interlace the signal?

[Anonymous No.6111574]

>>6111467
You'll never make it identical,even with a good comb filter.
>>6111498
Yes, there are, but they are not trivial ways.
I think mathematically you'd need a buffer of two scan lines minimum to downscale 480p to 480i (since two lines in 480p take around as long as one line in 480i). Plus, to make it look good you'd likely want to interpolate the lines instead of just discarding one.

[Anonymous No.6111692]

>>6111498
>>6111574
IIRC the dreamcast RGB signal is 15kHz or 31kHz depending on whether you leave floating or ground pin 6 of the AV port. Then you'd need to convert RGB to component.

[Anonymous No.6111943]

I found a PC CRT monitor at work today. It was pretty dusty and sorta dirty fronm sitting in a garage but the screen wasn't scratched and it looks and works fine after it got cleaned up. It's a Viewsonic E55 which seems fairly standard but I'm mostly planning on feeding it 480p anyways.
I've found it a lot harder to find PC CRTs vs TV sets nowadays.

[Anonymous No.6111963]

>>6111498
Get RGB scart to component converter

[Anonymous No.6112065]

>>6111963
>SCART
>>6106996

>>6111943
>I've found it a lot harder to find PC CRTs vs TV sets nowadays.
Me too. Especially decent ones.

[Anonymous No.6112182]

Just found a seemingly shitty CRT for 6 bucks. Brand is called Classic and the back of it is dated April 2001. Not the best but it will be used well for some N64 games.

[Anonymous No.6112186]

>>6110426
Nice work. Got any pictures of your mod?

[Anonymous No.6112430]

>>6106996
Why?

[Anonymous No.6112471]

>>6112186
I'd take it apart again if the screws weren't stripped as badly as they are now. Long story short it involved RCA couplers connected to the RGB pins on the jungle chip where the OSD generator connects to. A resistor lets the RGB through so all I have to do is put it into any of the two AV inputs and "switch on" the resistor for the video to show up as if it was the OSD.

[Anonymous No.6112592]

My Dell CRT monitor honestly looks better than the expensive LG monitor I tried out last year. Better motion clarity even at 75hz versus 144hz on the LG, blacks just as deep and color just as rich. The LG had ghosting and smearing so bad that I had to return it, it was terrible. Are there any modern displays that can even compare as far as motion clarity and contrast go? I want to upgrade my machine this year but the best I can get with this CRT is 1600x1200 or 1920x1080 letterboxed.

[Anonymous No.6112597]

>>6106996
i couldnt see shit before scart

[Anonymous No.6112604]

>>6112592
Until OLED computer monitors start becoming commonplace and selling under $1000 CRT is legitimately the best there is.

[Anonymous No.6112606]

>>6112604
I still don't understand why OLED is only being sold in 60 inch sizes. I remember years ago there were a couple models being sold under modest desktop sizes in 1080p, but not anymore.

[Anonymous No.6112609]

>>6112606
Pixel density. With current production lines a 4K 65" screen is much easier to make than a 25" 1080p screen due to the higher degrees of tolerance at larger sizes.

[Anonymous No.6112753]

Picked up a Princeton Arcadia 27" Color Monitor at a newspaper's moving sale but the composite inputs have a horizontal double image. It doesn't affect the system's graphics (input display, menus) and at first it was only like that on Video 1 with Video 2 being fine. Haven't tried the vga or s video. No remote to use menu based calibration and I'm really hesitant to fuck up the factory yoke calibration that's still epoxy locked.

[Anonymous No.6112792]

>>6112753
I jumped the gun on asking for help, it's just the composite cable I was using. Forgive my retardation, and good day to you all.

[Anonymous No.6112795]

>>6112792
gj anon, that's a nice tv you got

[Anonymous No.6113014]

Still have no idea what I'm doing but I found 2 5v pins to avoid, and through random combination I've found the audio/ground and I think one video/ground combination.

[Anonymous No.6113193]

>>6106991
A family member's getting rid of a Panasonic CT-27SX12 for a flatscreen. Worth trying to keep or should I just let it go?

[Anonymous No.6113214]

>>6113193
It looks like a good set. Panasonic made quality TVs and monitors.

[Anonymous No.6113234]

>>6113014
Now I just have to find the sync. Here's to hoping the tv accepts whatever sync my Genesis is pumping out

[Anonymous No.6113306]

Been getting better shots thanks to Open Camera.

[Anonymous No.6113307]

>>6113306

[Anonymous No.6113308]

>>6113307

[Anonymous No.6113309]

>>6113308

[Anonymous No.6113310]

>>6113309

[Anonymous No.6113312]

>>6113306
I know this is an AG tube, but what TV is it?

[Anonymous No.6113314]

>>6113312
PVM 20M4U

[Anonymous No.6113316]

>>6113314

[Anonymous No.6113318]

>>6113316

[Anonymous No.6113404]

>>6113193
>CT-27SX12
I'd go for it if only because Matsushita/Panasonic is high-build-quality stuff.
Not sure what kind of tube it has (tri-dot vs slot mask, my guess is slot mask), but it should be pretty good for a consumer set.

[Anonymous No.6113408]

>>6113234
Spoiler alert. It won't.
The genesis sync signal is from an open collector. A 75 ohm load will basically make the video output go black because the sync line's not meant to carry a load. If you buffer it with a 7408/74LS08/74HC08 (if it is OK with TTL logic levels) (or perhaps a proper sync stripper otherwise) it should work, though.
A SNES would be a better console to use to test functionality.

[Anonymous No.6113425]

>>6113408
>basically make the video output go black because the sync line's not meant to carry a load
That's helpful then, I think I found my sync pin. I'll try with a snes tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6113431]

[Anonymous No.6113441]

[Anonymous No.6113448]

>>6113425
If you did and it works when you try tomorrow, please share your pinout.

[Anonymous No.6113454]

This game looks very nice in 240p here. I need to do a side-by-side comparison with the Sega CD version to decide if I like it more than the Amiga port.
Maybe tomorrow. I do have two tri-dot RGB monitors of similar size, so I could compare those, too.

[Anonymous No.6113607]

Anybody have a personal recommendation for an active VGA adapter? The ports I have available are DVI-D, HDMI, and DisplayPort and the card and monitor are both 800x600.

[Anonymous No.6114010]

>>6113607
This tendak one has worked fine for me so far.

[Anonymous No.6114081]

Why do PC CRT monitors have a fixed Green level?

[Anonymous No.6114235]

>>6114081
>fixed Green level
What?

[Anonymous No.6114274]

>>6114235

[Anonymous No.6114524]

>>6113425
>>6113448
Well SOMETHING showed up...

[Anonymous No.6114529]

>>6114524
This is what I'm trying to display so it is closer

[Anonymous No.6114704]

>>6114524
I get the same result with the Saturn and with the ps2 running sync on luma, so Im guessing the sync format is fine. There's no vertical hold adjustment because it doesn't have a tuner. I wonder what's up

[Anonymous No.6114737]

>>6113316
Falcon-flavored.

[Anonymous No.6114782]

>>6113607
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=Analogue_video_output_options_for_OSSC

Bunch of good options here. Tendak mentioned above is excellent.

[Anonymous No.6114935]

>>6114524
Looks like your monitor might need separate H/V sync signals.
That's what it looks like when I put csync on the H-sync pin of my Amiga monitor.

If you are ok with opening up a console, you can pull separate H/V sync signals off a playstation motherboard, buffer them, and send them to a TV. Or I think the falcon can do RGBHV, maybe?

That'd be a horizontal hold problem, if it does accept csync.

[Anonymous No.6114940]

>>6114935
>>6114524
Recommended sync splitter for you if you want to build your own circuit.

[Anonymous No.6114945]

>>6114940
(it's possible that the LM1881 would work if you fed csync to the Hsync pin, and the vsync output to vsync. But the EL1883 provides an actual hsync output. Not that I expect it will actually matter in practice)

[Anonymous No.6115147]

Is pic related any good? I have a JVC TM-H1375SU and I want to setup my hacked Wii for retro gaming. The CRT only has composite and S-video capabilities. I already have a component Wii cable though.

[Anonymous No.6115149]

>>6115147
Forgot picture

[Anonymous No.6115150]

>>6114935
Thanks that is what it looks like, would have taken me a long while to figure that. Tell me, does anything similar happen if you put csync on the vsync pin? I didn't find any other pins with this effect so I assume it doesn't do anything

[Anonymous No.6115153]

>>6115147
No
They are different signals, not just different connectors

[Anonymous No.6115172]

>>6115153
What should I do instead?

[Anonymous No.6115173]

>>6115149
that's about as useful as this

[Anonymous No.6115183]

just got this big ass 80 pound trinitron for free
what cable do I need for my SNES?
here is the back

[Anonymous No.6115404]

does it truly matter which crt i use? i've got a newer one from 2006 or so.

[Anonymous No.6115407]

>>6115404
Yes

[Anonymous No.6115424]

>>6115404
I'd just recommend finding an SD CRT with component inputs and maybe a CRT computer monitor depending on your setup. PVMs are memes.

[Anonymous No.6115425]

>>6115404
Yes
>does it truly matter which lcd i use?

[Anonymous No.6115701]

>>6111237
t. someone who doesn't realize they're a normie

[Anonymous No.6115703]

>>6114081
they don't always

[Anonymous No.6115706]

>>6115183
an rf cable

[Anonymous No.6115761]

>>6115150
pretty much the same thing should happen.
That or nothing will happen, because some TV's don't show a signal until at least hsync is present.
Thus it's possible you still will have to find a vsync pin after feeding it proper hsync.

[Anonymous No.6115765]

>>6115761
If I had a pic of the PCB's inside the TV that might help, too, but you're pretty close now so I think if you get a sync stripper/sync processor you might be good to go.

What model is that TV again? It's always interesting when a nice RGB screen shows up in america and it's not a "monitor".

[Anonymous No.6115778]

>>6115765
P.P.S.
How many pins on that connector again?

[Anonymous No.6115781]

>>6115778
I'm retarded, nvm. 15 pins.

[Anonymous No.6115823]

Why are pictures people take of CRTs always like 5 minutes into the game at most? Do people who take close up pictures actually play games?

[Anonymous No.6115848]

>>6115823
>Why are pictures people take of CRTs always like 5 minutes into the game at most?
You've actually posted this in a thread where that isn't the case. If you wanted to troll, you could have picked a better instance to loose your wit.

[Anonymous No.6115860]

>>6115404
just make sure it's a standard definition set and you should be all good.

[Anonymous No.6115867]

>>6115823
Because fuck you; that's why.

[Anonymous No.6115883]

>>6110426
Aaaayyyy. Nice! Was I right in >>6102628 ? Was the "blanking" pin the pin you needed to push high (Pin 13)?

[Anonymous No.6116216]

>>6115883
Yep. I don't have an oscilloscope but I verified that to be the case with a multimeter. Pulling the blank pin high was all that was needed to let the RGB through.

[Anonymous No.6116245]

>>6115823
Because I like CRTs not video games, idiot. To the point where I pretend current displays are not good.

[Anonymous No.6116327]

>>6115765
Zenith cv2562

[Anonymous No.6116423]

how do i tell if my crt is sd?

[Anonymous No.6116427]

>>6116327
thanks.
And wow, an american TV manufacturer putting RGB on their TV. Very nice.

>>6116423
Does it make a high pitched whine of about 15.6khz? If so, it's SD

[Anonymous No.6116430]

>>6116427
looks like i'm good then, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6116559]

>>6107419
Sour grapes.

[Anonymous No.6116565]

>6108897
>niggers
Imagine still trying to be edgy for anonymous clout in 2020.

[Anonymous No.6116598]

>>6116427
A lot of hotel/restaurant TVs will have that so the property owner can connect their set-top box to it.

[Anonymous No.6116709]

>>6115172
You have to get a new cable, a Wii s-video cable.

[Anonymous No.6116759]

>>6115147
You know that's probably super simple to RGB mod?

[Anonymous No.6116781]

>>6116565
>imagine doing x in the current year
God you're even worse than him

[Anonymous No.6116804]

Just picked up some Genesis games today. Got Bloodlines, Comix Zone, Revenge of Shinobi, and Sonic Spinball.

[Anonymous No.6116876]

>>6116759
(to elaborate: I believe but cannot 100% confirm that it is a sister model to the TM-H140PN, which has service manuals online. It is likely they use the same chip for OSD control.)

[Anonymous No.6116964]

>>6116876
Even more specifically, if it uses a chip called TA1276AN, adding RGB inputs should be a cakewalk. See the 49th page of the PDF

[Anonymous No.6117135]

>>6116565
There's nothing edgy about saying nigger unless you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.6117165]

>>6116565
Nigger

[Anonymous No.6117170]

>>6116804
All of them are great apart from Spinball

[Anonymous No.6117171]

>>6106996
This has been posted for so long that I can't even remember what memes are trying to "mean".

As in. I can't remember if scart is even good in the eyes of those that post this and they are trying to meme and pretend it is bad?

[Anonymous No.6117174]

>>6117170
I played a little bit of the GBA port (lol) and didn't think it was any Pokemon R/S Pinball but it was okay. Got it for real cheap. Bloodlines was the most expensive.

[Anonymous No.6117297]

>>6116759
I have no idea about these things. I just want to play video games.

[Anonymous No.6117298]

>>6117297
based

[Anonymous No.6117728]

I found Mario in LTTP
do I win anything

[Anonymous No.6117736]

>>6116216
Awesome.
It's a fun game guessing things like that.
>>6116245
b-baka.
>>6117171
>This has been posted for so long that I can't even remember what memes are trying to "mean".
That using scart for everything outside of europe is a massive waste of money.
>>6117298
>>6117297
Faggots.

[Anonymous No.6117903]

>>6116781
>>6117135
>>6117165
tick-tock /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.6117936]

Do you guys have experiences with hooking up raspberry pies or similar to crts? How does it work and what would you look out for in the TV/Monitor?
I wanna build a retro gaming station/ maybe smart tv/streaming if possible.

[Anonymous No.6117973]

>>6117135
shut up nigger

[Anonymous No.6117989]

>>6117936
just use wii for emulators (except psx).
also there is hdmi to component, but quality might be bad.

[Anonymous No.6118038]

>>6117903
I don't browse /pol/. It's too full of niggers

[Anonymous No.6118068]

>>6117936
rasberry pi has only composite and it's horrible don't waste your time with it

[Anonymous No.6118270]

>>6118068
>has only composite
RGB hat and 240p cfg edit retard.

[Anonymous No.6118316]

>>6117728
No, he's super easy to find.
>>6118068
>buy more hardware to make it more expensive than just buying a Wii and PSX
Yeah right lol

[Anonymous No.6118318]

>>6117989
Not him, but I'm already using a Wii to emulate 4th gen and back. What would you suggest to be the best option for 5th gen emulation?

[Anonymous No.6118320]

>>6118318
Just buy a fucking PSX, they're like $15.
All three-ish good N64 games are on virtual console on wii.
Saturn is garbage.

[Anonymous No.6118331]

>>6118320
I'm going to mod my fat PS3 for PSX, but my question was mostly directed towards Saturn and N64. I know this is still a CRT thread and I don't want to get into emulation here too much, but Saturn had some pretty good titles, anon.

[Anonymous No.6118337]

>>6118331
Getting a saturn won't break the bank either, to be serious.
Better than a Pi anyway.

[Anonymous No.6118357]

>>6118337
You're right, but tracking down unobtanium foreign releases and dealing with reseller scum is something I want to avoid.

[Anonymous No.6118367]

>>6118357
A saturn modchip is a thing that exists, although admittedly that is more expensive than a PSX modchip.

[Anonymous No.6118371]

>>6118367
That being said:
I think the preferred route to buy a phantom modchip is to contact badad84 or zero directly. Not sure where they moved to since assemblergames died.

[Anonymous No.6118397]

>>6118367
>>6118371
Thanks, I'll look into that.

[Anonymous No.6118406]

>>6118371
You can also still get the old school universal v3 from console goods if you contact him. It's just not listed on his website due to PayPal issues.

[Anonymous No.6118410]

>>6118406
Good to know, thanks for the input. I don't own a saturn, was just giving advice so he hopefully didn't fall for the pi meme.
I'd rather just have a wii and a couple gen. 5 systems than deal with Pi bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6118432]

>>6118331
PS3 can't do 240p btw

[Anonymous No.6118435]

>>6118406
It's actually pretty funny that redditors shittalk the v3 because it looks old and homemade but who gives a shit it goes inside a Saturn.

[Anonymous No.6118452]

I just realized my Commodore monitor actually has a finer dot pitch than my 750TVL Panasonic monitor. (0.28mm pitch vs 0.39mm pitch).
That and the fact that it's a matte finish make all the more reason to just order that sync splitter chip already.
>>6118435
Being homemade looking means it's easier to repair (DIP chips). I don't see what the problem is.
>>6118432
Yep.

[Anonymous No.6118457]

>>6118452
never mind, it's higher pitch than the JVC equivalent of my Panasonic monitor (BM-1400PN).
It's the same pitch as the panasonic version.

[Anonymous No.6119130]

What do you think anons, did youtube permanently fuck up the game re: CRT computer monitors? I feel like the days of finding them in 2nd hand stores easily have come and gone, and in 17" or better sizes, ebay prices are at peak meme levels across the board, FW900 or not. My area is amazingly dry for them on the usual local sites too. I really want to get one somewhere down the line for a handful of 480p specific applications but it's looking like patience/luck are gonna be necessary to not get gouged right now.

[Anonymous No.6119196]

>>6119130
Maybe it's easier to hook up your crt tv to pc with tvout on some old video card. In Europe we have even some 480p capable crt TVs, like CS-29Z40HPQ. I have this one. And it even have subpixels or something like these. It's strange for tv, but necessary for proper crt monitor I suppose. Eye of fucking ff9 zidane via psp to s-video cable on pic.

[Anonymous No.6119216]

>>6119130
Yes, they did. You'd be very lucky to find any decent "pro-grade" PC CRT at a sane price, for some reason they're a lot less common than TVs since they were used until they died, often for 10+ hours a day compared to the average TV that gets around 4 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.6119227]

>>6119196
That's a bog-standard TV shadow mask.

[Anonymous No.6119234]

>>6119227
He's euro you gotta give him special room.

[Anonymous No.6119247]

>>6119227
Yeah. Somehow I thought it may be something different. Of course I saw dot shaped shadow mask.

[Anonymous No.6119254]

[Anonymous No.6119261]

>>6119196
those aren't pixels at all and have no relation to logical pixels in any way. you can even see some which are partially illuminated but not entirely since the beam doesn't need to activate the entire phosphor area of each grouping.

[Anonymous No.6119270]

>>6119261
ok. good it's just ordinary shadow mask. I've seen hate toward these 100hz all-digital TVs because they are closer to modern LCD panels.

[Anonymous No.6119287]

>>6119254
are we supposed to tell you how realistic these shitty shaders look and how we thought it was a real crt for a second?

[Anonymous No.6119308]

>>6119287
That's very accurate for a shader. Once 120Hz 4K OLED montors are affordable we can finally put CRTs to rest.

[Anonymous No.6119313]

>>6119308
it would look a hell of a lot better if it didn't have the shitty bloom/glow around everything but it's still far from what I'd call accurate.

[Anonymous No.6119343]

[Anonymous No.6119535]

>>6119313
That's partly a consequence of recreating composite quality on top of the shaders.

[Anonymous No.6119718]

>>6119535
This is CRT Royale?

[Anonymous No.6119813]

So how do you get your CRT to work on a computer? Right now my Wii is the easiest way to play games on this CRT.

[Anonymous No.6119849]

>>6117736
People are still this dumb. Keep on thinking this.

[Anonymous No.6120138]

>>6119813
video card with s-video (before 2004) or tv-out (up to 2009 cards, Radeon hd 4xxx or Nvidia gtx 2xx)

[Anonymous No.6120297]

>>6117736
>using scart for everything outside of europe is a massive waste of money
Complaining that a one-time expense which is still arguably the easiest solution is "a waste of money" is just weird to me. Especially when every other option requires custom made cables and finding places to tuck resistors and/or capacitors for said cables, or just straight up drilling new ports into your system.

[Anonymous No.6120310]

>>6120297
Amerishart here, I wish SCART or D-Terminal (the Japanese equivalent) was a thing here. Instead we have RCA connectors for everything and the average burger can't even match colored plugs to colored sockets and end up calling a "TV technician" to connect up their DVD player. I'm glad HDMI is used for everything digital now, it's made life a lot easier.

[Anonymous No.6120324]

>>6119813
CRT_emudriver and a VGA to SCART cable

[Anonymous No.6120331]

>>6120310
>D-Terminal (the Japanese equivalent)
Isn't JP-21 the Jap equivalent? I thought D-terminal was its own thing.

[Anonymous No.6120335]

>>6120331
>JP-21
>literally SCART but with a different pinout
i hurt myself today

[Anonymous No.6120342]

>>6120310
Scart is just a connector which can hold rgb with different syncs. To achieve good result you still need decent rgb supporting tech i.e pvm. I don't think European consumer grade rgb scart TVs was so good, it was low-cost shitty products in mass. In Europe scart often was used to transfer composite signal.
>>6120331
D terminal transfers ypbpr video. It's just component with different connector.

[Anonymous No.6120386]

>>6120342
The point of the other anon wishing that we had SCART is precisely because he wanted the option of more video output types. Well into the mid '90s in the US, most people still just opted for RF signals. The first video game system I recall getting that ONLY had RCA cables for hookup was the N64, and the RF adaptors for it were in such high demand they were often sold out at my local stores.

It's really weird that, for as big of a market as home entertainment was in America, we never embraced any advanced cable or signal formats. Most households were using composite video up until they got their first HDMI-ready flatscreen.

[Anonymous No.6120393]

>>6114935
this post >>6120324 reminded me that I could try the separate sync of VGA using crt_emudriver to hook up my computer to this tv, how does that sound?

[Anonymous No.6120401]

>>6120386
Blame the manufacturers who price cables much higher than they're worth. I remember my parents buying a component video cable at Best Buy for something like $40 when it's just the same cables as composite but with different-colored plugs and slightly thicker insulation on the wires. Online shopping wasn't as widespread as it is now so you can't just get a chinesium cord set for $5 off eBay. Also our first TV only had RF so anything that we wanted on it had to go through the composite line input on the VCR first.

[Anonymous No.6120472]

>>6120401
>Also our first TV only had RF so anything that we wanted on it had to go through the composite line input on the VCR first.
Same. But, I mean, this is my point. In order for the cables to sell, TV manufacturers would have had to offer the features, and it just wasn't there. By 1998, I only had one TV in my house that had anything more than RF inputs, and it was just composite. This was made even worse by the fact that most of the sets we played video games on were the hand-me-down sets that went into kids' bedrooms. If anything was new enough to have s-video, chances are it was in the living room and off-limits. And even once you got into 6th gen territory, Nintendo actually removed the digital output port from Gamecube's after the early runs because they conducted a survey and found that fewer than 5% of people were ever even using it, and by 2001/2002, Component video sets were starting to trickle out, it's just that most people didn't care.

I mean, not that it really matters, in hindsight. As kids, we were just stoked enough to be playing hi-tech computer games on our magical, glowing video boxes. I remember that when the subject of video quality came up, I never really cared because I was so much more invested in just the fact that these video games existed and I could play them. Blew my fuckin' mind. I cared way more about trying to find all the heart pieces in Link to the Past than I did about seeing the game in slightly higher definition.

[Anonymous No.6120481]

>>6120472
That's the thing. Kids didn't habe to worry about the technical aspects of vidya because for them it's about the escapism. They don't see a computer program running the way developers envisioned, they see another world to lose themselves in after school. Finding out that it's all just code is like the night you catch your father putting presents under the tree.

[Anonymous No.6120502]

>>6120481
>Finding out that it's all just code is like the night you catch your father putting presents under the tree.
Eh, I don't think so. I remember actually getting into the engineering behind video game development around when I was 12 and the N64 came out. I was actually in substantial awe over how entire, explorable fantasy worlds were being created by a bunch of nips working at computers in stuffy office buildings on the other side of the world.

I quickly lost interest because coding is fucking mind-numbing, but I still think about it a lot, and the fact that a bunch of nerds can come to gether with a vision, reduce it all to ones and zeroes, plug it into a magic machine, and the end result is a game that allows such visions to become playable experiences... I dunno, it's pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.6120619]

>>6120472
>And even once you got into 6th gen territory, Nintendo actually removed the digital output port from Gamecube's after the early runs because they conducted a survey and found that fewer than 5% of people were ever even using it, and by 2001/2002, Component video sets were starting to trickle out, it's just that most people didn't care.
Nintendo did not sell component cables then, it was possible to receive them only for awards at the club. But the digital output was initially not for the component, but for the digital VR helmet, which never came out. The gamecube was some kind of joke all this time, starting with idiotic mini-disks and ending with a second life as a Wii, where instead of a digital hdmi port they installed a component through an analog port, which needed to be done in 2001.

[Anonymous No.6120942]

is a lightly used viewsonic e655 for $40 off craigslist a good deal?
should i look for a trinitron monitor instead?

im mostly going to be watching 90s shows/animes and playing old school games on it but it would be nice to play some modernish fps with high refresh rates

[Anonymous No.6120959]

>>6120942
it's better to find the 17" 2048x1536 model for modern games. samsung or something. 40 bucks is too expensive as for me. maybe if it's mint it's ok idk.

[Anonymous No.6120962]

>>6120942
>nice to play some modernish fps with high refresh rates
it's not very good as far as monitors go and it isn't worth that price
>>6120959
you really won't find a 17" model that can resolve that resolution.

[Anonymous No.6120963]

>>6120959
no 17" is going to resolve 2048x1536 very well. even a good 19" has trouble doing that.

[Anonymous No.6120971]

>>6120962
any recommended monitors i should keep an eye out for in the 15-19" range?

[Anonymous No.6120975]

>>6120962
>>6120963
mixed up with 1600x1200

[Anonymous No.6121151]

>>6120971
I think you should look past any 15" monitors you encounter unless:
-you want to use it for 480p content like dreamcast
-you get it with the intention of finding another, larger monitor when the opportunity shows
it's just too small and low res for wide use
as far as 15" go that one is actually not bad, and if you wanted you could lowball him maybe $20. Viewsonic is one of the best brands to find. others to look out for are mitsubishi, some HPs, LaCie, Iiyama, and then there are any of the monitors that uses a trinitron tube, which, depending on taste, are all decent to great monitors.

[Anonymous No.6121274]

I picked up a sony PVM-8045Q, but when i hook it up via scart it looks like this
Help

[Anonymous No.6121296]

>>6121274
toggle the A/B RGB/Y R-Y B-Y switch

[Anonymous No.6121309]

>>6121296
It looks the same only slightly brighter

[Anonymous No.6121342]

>>6121274
nevermind, i was trying to use scart cables with a american gamecube

[Anonymous No.6121405]

>>6120942
If high refresh rates is what you're after forget about maximum resolution, even the best CRTs will only do 85Hz on high resolutions like 1600x1200. That one looks like it'll do 160 at 480p and 120 at 800x600.

[Anonymous No.6121425]

>>6120942
If high refresh rates is what you're after forget about maximum resolution, even the best CRTs will only do 85Hz on high resolutions like 1600x1200. That specific model tops out at 100Hz and that's probably on 480p. A low-end set like that for $40 is a hard pass.

[Anonymous No.6121443]

>>6121425
>even the best CRTs will only do 85Hz on high resolutions like 1600x1200
mine can do 115hz at 1600x1200 lmao

[Anonymous No.6121459]

>>6121443
What model?
>inb4 FW900

[Anonymous No.6121467]

>>6121459
I can verify my fw900 cannot pull that off, so either he has the eizo f980 or he's lying

[Anonymous No.6121476]

>>6121467
>>6121459
lacie electron blue iv 22

[Anonymous No.6121484]

>>6121476
god tier diamondtron. Sony got destroyed by mitsubishi

[Anonymous No.6121508]

>>6121484
I wouldn't say that to be honest. Mitsubishi/NEC might have won by 3khz but Sony produced the tightest pitch aperture grille tube in existence and had a much higher market share.

don't tell the mods that dorf fort isn't retro

[Anonymous No.6121551]

>>6121508
That's because Sony had a patent on aperture grille tubes until the mid 90s, giving them a head start on flooding the market with the Trinitron.
Shadow mask looks better on computer monitors.

[Anonymous No.6121553]

>>6121551
I do prefer the look of a shadow mask but it's impossible to find a super high end one like the aforementioned f980 so I'll just have to suffer and use my lacie EBIV 22 instead :(

[Anonymous No.6121561]

aperture grille isn't bad in all seriousness though. it's nice being able to pump out like 150 cd/m2

[Anonymous No.6121917]

>>6120393
Might work. Try it.

[Anonymous No.6123141]

>>6106996
> disregard a superior standard
retarded americans, everyone.

[Anonymous No.6123147]

>>6123141
you're the retard since you fail to see the point in the message.

[Anonymous No.6123157]

>>6121551
>flooding the market with the Trinitron
good lord! a superior product that dominates a certain market? oh noes. they did well. everything else at the time was garbage.
>>6123147
not everyone understands the retarded and mindless gibberish from americans. we don't all speak/read english well (or give a fuck about it). consider suicide sometime. might be the best solution for all of us.

[Anonymous No.6123206]

>>6123157
so you're an idiot. got it.

[Anonymous No.6123229]

>>6120310
>the average burger can't even match colored plugs to colored sockets and end up calling a "TV technician" to connect up their DVD player
why do so many adults understand composite and not component? they see composite cables, they figure it out, they see component with more cables and their brains turn off, they call someone to help them. they're both fucking color coded.

[Anonymous No.6123231]

>>6123229
There is two reds. They can't handle it.

[Anonymous No.6123250]

CRTs are actually awful for fast-motion games
phosphor persistence becomes incredibly noticable at high vfreq and your image just crumbles into a blurry headache inducing mess

[Anonymous No.6123276]

>>6123250
sounds like your crt is fucking trash anon

[Anonymous No.6123379]

>>6123141
enjoy your audio buzz and/or workarounds to an inherent flaw in your standard.

[Anonymous No.6123790]

[Anonymous No.6123801]

>>6123790
nice lcd, faggot

[Anonymous No.6123851]

>>6123801
It looks like that because it's so small, it's a 9 inch trini

[Anonymous No.6124047]

>>6123801
>implying

[Anonymous No.6125728]

>>6106991
finally making some money with my new job, ive done research on crt's before buts its so over whelming. Assuming i have a decent amount of money to spend (say $1000) whats the ultimate set i could get and where would be the best place to buy one.

[Anonymous No.6125738]

>>6115183
gonna want to do s video, so a SNES s video cable

[Anonymous No.6125791]

>>6125728
You can get a decent 20" PVM for around $400.

[Anonymous No.6125831]

>>6125728
A giant high end consumer set or monitor would be your best bet. Don't settle for less than 29", just make sure it has RGB. NEC made some monitors that might be what you're looking for but good luck finding one.

[Anonymous No.6125846]

>>6125728

If you want to spend a lot of money and get a meme get a 20L5

Otherwise just keep your eyes on fb marketplace, craigslist etc for a 27" or better consumer set with at least S video, component if you can get it. Most sets with component do however suffer from some geometry inaccuracy so if menu boxes not being perfectly square or some waviness on hori scrolling is going to kill your enjoyment, stick to a curved set. JVC D series are one of the few curved component sets so they're quite highly regarded, i think theyre shadow mask though?? (Not 100%) so wouldn't have the large scanlines of a trinitron.

[Anonymous No.6125851]

>>6125846
There's bucketloads of Sony "HD" CRTs on Craigslist and Facebook and unless you know what you're doing they're not worth it.

[Anonymous No.6125864]

>>6125846
Shadow mask CRTs show scanlines too if you run them at low resolutions. Here's a 21" VGA monitor at 480p.

[Anonymous No.6125891]

comfy

[Anonymous No.6125906]

>>6125891
a e s t h e t i c

[Anonymous No.6125954]

hi stan uwu

[Anonymous No.6125957]

>>6125891
c l u t t e r e d

[Anonymous No.6125961]

>>6125864
Or, you know, just look at @OP's pic...

[Anonymous No.6125980]

>>6125954
UwU

[Anonymous No.6126583]

Should I jump on the JVC train? What's a good substitute for a PVM/BVM?

[Anonymous No.6126616]

Should I jump on the JVC train? Also what's a good substitute for a Sony?

[Anonymous No.6126737]

>>6106996
True VGA/RGBHV is superior.

[Anonymous No.6126763]

>>6126737
Its the same shit, only H and V are on two different wires. Wooo crystal clear sync

[Anonymous No.6126846]

Should I put Overscan On or Off for my CRT monitor?

[Anonymous No.6126849]

>>6126846
Off. Computer programs are designed for you to see the full picture. Overscan is for multimedia hardware.

[Anonymous No.6126927]

>>6126616
If it has component it's good.

[Anonymous No.6126952]

>>6126616
wow based and huge!

[Anonymous No.6127205]

>>6126846
you should only overscan a standard definition display, never a computer monitor.

[Anonymous No.6127215]

>>6127205
Even overscanning a SD display is shit. One of the first things I did after getting to the service menu on my TV was adjust image height and width to get rid of it as best as I could.

[Anonymous No.6127256]

>>6127215
most TVs don't have very acceptable geometry along the edges and a lot of older games have junk in the overscan area anyways. I'd rather clean edges then a wavy ass edge so I just overscan to about the red dots in 240p test suite.

[Anonymous No.6127270]

>>6127256
I set it to overscan 2 "pixels" on all sides and that's good enough for me. The main difference is that on a monitor you want blank space on all sides while on a TV you want the entire visible area to be active.

[Anonymous No.6127275]

>>6127270
yes, and on a tv the visible area is below overscan. or at it should be if the developers or w/e knew what the fuck they were doing.

[Anonymous No.6127592]

Has anyone got crtemu driver up and running?
I have the right card, cables and a pvm 14L5 i just have a few questions.
Dos this work with many standalone emulators like BSNES or am I mostly stuck using it with mame?
Any tip I should know for getting it setup?
Will the crtemu driver fuck with the regular drivers? Should I just setup a separate windows or linux partition just for running this shit?

[Anonymous No.6127767]

>>6107045
>>6109291
t. retards who have never seen a BVM in real life from a normal viewing distance

[Anonymous No.6127874]

>>6127592
Standalone emulators are fine, it just won't do the fancy automatic resolution switching. It replaces the regular drivers. It's only for Windows, if you want to use Linux you just set whatever resolution you want with xrandr.

[Anonymous No.6127915]

>>6119308
OLED is dead on arrival. It will never have the brightness required for quality strobing to get rid of motion blur while maintaining acceptable brightness.

You want a small(equivalent to a 20 inch 4:3 CRT or so) 4K or 8K display not a mamoothian television which doesn't have enough DPI to emulate top quality CRT's.
You also want Variable Refresh Rate like G-Sync or HDMI's VRR or whatever so it can sync perfectly to the odd refresh rates of various consoles and arcade systems and such.

MicroLED is where it's gonna be whenever they make it to Monitors.
>High as fuck brightness for quality strobing and compensating for brightness loss during shader use
>Much better pixel response times than OLED and closer to CRT's
>Actually uses RGB pixels unlike WOLED trash which adds a White Subpixel to make up for the shitty inefficient Blue OLEDs

[Anonymous No.6127985]

>>6127767
don't need to see a bvm when I have a pc monitor that's sharper. you need to sit like 4 meters back and that's not ideal for a 21".

[Anonymous No.6127997]

>>6127985
For a 21" PC monitor 480p is the lowest I'd go. 240p is like looking through window blinds.

[Anonymous No.6128025]

>>6127997
it's not far off from what a 900+tvl bvm looks like.

[Anonymous No.6128034]

>>6128025
BVMs are essentially computer monitor tubes in a TV. That said your monitor can probably do 1200 lines or more depending on the dot pitch.

[Anonymous No.6128245]

>>6106996
Seethe.

[Anonymous No.6128251]

>>6106991
I know original Xbox isn't retro but does anyone here have experience hooking them up to a CRT?
Is it worth hunting down official component cables or should I just go with S-Video? how big of a difference is there?

[Anonymous No.6128668]

>>6128251
Retard

[Anonymous No.6128717]

>>6128668
This is an 18+ site.

[Anonymous No.6129016]

>>6128251
Difference is big in 480p games on 480p crt tv.

[Anonymous No.6129120]

>>6129016
480p looks fine with svideo

[Anonymous No.6129128]

>>6129120
idiot

[Anonymous No.6129129]

>>6129120
>480p looks fine with svideo
Is that a fact?

[Anonymous No.6129137]

>>6129120
I wanna be in the screencap

[Anonymous No.6129165]

>>6129120

[Anonymous No.6129665]

>>6125864
How did you connect a PS2 to a VGA monitor?

[Anonymous No.6129668]

>>6129665
It's an emulator.

[Anonymous No.6129683]

Presets folder, CRT Royale XM29 Plus

[Anonymous No.6129687]

>>6123276
Maybe he's playing at 120hz

[Anonymous No.6129692]

>>6129120
I agree

[Anonymous No.6129693]

Is this Toshiba good or should I wait for something else? Thanks in advance for the help.

[Anonymous No.6129697]

>>6123141
>muh americans xddddd
Your insecurity is showing

[Anonymous No.6129703]

>>6129693
looks like an MW20FP1 or similar model, so it's composite only. probably not a bad set but there's better stuff out there, even for dvd/vhs combo sets. something like the MW20H63 which has component too. personally I would pass for $20 and just find a set without the built in players that has component, s-video, and composite.

[Anonymous No.6129704]

>>6129693
I gave that model to my Mom a while back, though she has since gotten rid of it. It was pretty decent, but the DVD and VHS slots stopped working at some point.

It's 20 bones so you may as well just get it. Let me know if it's the same one.

[Anonymous No.6129719]

This a good one to get? $20 at goodwill

[Anonymous No.6129726]

>>6129683
meant for >>6119718

[Anonymous No.6129727]

>>6129693
>built in vhs and dvd
You'd be better off with a regular TV. Also it only has composite and RF.

[Anonymous No.6129734]

>>6129719
Sorry bout duplicate post it said I messed up the captcha so I tried again

[Anonymous No.6129736]

>>6129727
it's worth mentioning that there's a model which looks almost identical to the one that guy posted and it has component. look at where the brand logos are on the right side to tell the difference in the wild.

[Anonymous No.6129758]

>>6129736
Which is why model numbers and user manuals are a must. From the front nobody can tell whether it's good.

[Anonymous No.6129760]

>>6129758
I just fucking told you how to tell from the front.

[Anonymous No.6129769]

>>6129758
To the average thrift shopper they wouldn't know. Like >>6129693.

[Anonymous No.6129775]

>>6129120
720p Composite looks even better ;)

[Anonymous No.6129780]

>>6129775
hd composite is a real thing you know

[Anonymous No.6129795]

>>6129780
>hd composite is a real thing you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAICo-ec0w

[Anonymous No.6129810]

>>6129775
>>6129780
>>6129795
>implying you can't push 4k ultra HD out of RF

[Anonymous No.6129817]

>>6129795
it is a fact. look up hd over coax. and don't try to tell me it's not hd composite, it's a composite analog signal sending hd resolutions.

[Anonymous No.6129867]

>>6129817
Let me fill you in on a little secret: broadcast TV is already HD over coax

[Anonymous No.6129868]

>>6129867
it's digital, not analog

[Anonymous No.6129903]

hows it lookin boyes

[Anonymous No.6129941]

>>6129903

[Anonymous No.6129981]

>>6129903
inb4 some retard reeees about an n64 game ported to gamecube not being retro

[Anonymous No.6130010]

>>6129981
It isn't retro you fucktard and the fact that you pointed it out just confirms that your aware of it.

[Anonymous No.6130013]

>>6129903
Not very retro of you

[Anonymous No.6130035]

>>6130010
ports of games which came out on retro consoles are allowed, this is nothing new. animal crossing is just a localization of the n64 animal forest which never came out in north america.

[Anonymous No.6130089]

>>6129016
This TV only goes up to 480i.

[Anonymous No.6130093]

>>6130010
Fucking bawl about it, then.

[Anonymous No.6131694]

Fucking KEK

[Anonymous No.6131705]

>>6129665
Well, you could use something like a retrotink or OSSC plus a HDMI to VGA adapter.

[Anonymous No.6131730]

>>6131694
This kind of shit really makes me want to sell mine just to cash in on this hype before it plummets. Even a quarter of that price is too much

[Anonymous No.6131749]

>>6131730
Micro LED won't be getting put in computer monitors for at least another 3 years. FW900 is at its peak price thanks to DF's video so sell while you still can.

[Anonymous No.6131752]

Are Sony CRT's known for having messed up geometry?

[Anonymous No.6131757]

>>6131749
Most people jumped to OLED tvs. 120hz gsync on recent LG sets.

>>6131694
They have been $750-1500 for 10 years now. No one will pay more than that.

[Anonymous No.6131761]

>>6131752
Every CRT has messed up geometry. It comes down to how well you can adjust it and whether you're willing to accept the fact that there will always be imperfections near the edges of the image.

[Anonymous No.6131768]

>>6131757
there's already been legit sales of fw900's for over $2k so we're a bit past that point my friend.

[Anonymous No.6131784]

>>6131768
I still don't understand why FW900 is even worth that much. If I want a CRT it's for /vr/ and 90s /a/ which are all in standard 4:3 aspect ratio. What makes people want a widescreen CRT other than to go on reddit and post "look what i have guise xdddd"?

[Anonymous No.6131795]

>>6131784
people like myself who use them for modern games. I use a 4:3 21" trinitron for all my modern gaming cause I can't afford a nice high refresh rate lcd and I love the lack of any motion blur even at 60hz. fw900 is just notable cause it's one of the like 3 widescreen pc monitors.

[Anonymous No.6131807]

>>6131795
144Hz LCDs can be had for under $300. I have a 21" Mitsubishi CRT for my 4:3 needs but modern games really don't look that much better on them.

[Anonymous No.6131841]

>>6131807
that's $300 more than I can afford to spend on a monitor these days. one day I'll be able to beef up my battlestation but until then I'm enjoying the crts quite a lot. hard to beat 1920x1080p@120hz for basically free.

[Anonymous No.6131853]

>>6131841
>1080p@120hz
I'm calling bullshit until you post model.

[Anonymous No.6131856]

>>6121476
>>6131853

[Anonymous No.6131863]

>>6131856
Are those professional grade monitors because I've never seen them anywhere? Plenty of Sony Trinitrons and HP/Dell/IBM but none of those can go past even 100hz on 1080p.

[Anonymous No.6131867]

>>6131863
yeah it was meant for graphical and other high end stuff. it's a rebrand of the 2070sb from mitsubishi. lacie catered towards photographers and shit, sold it with a hood and colorimeter. I've got other high end monitors aside from that though.

[Anonymous No.6132320]

Is my childhood crt good?
What the fuck is a broksonic?

[Anonymous No.6132370]

>>6132320
It's when you get hit by the spikes and before you grab some more rings.

[Anonymous No.6132432]

>>6132320
Looks like a shitty store brand.

[Anonymous No.6133009]

>>6125891
I've always been a sucker for interior brick walls, and I like this a lot, but you should clean up a bit.

>>6126616
>Also what's a good substitute for a Sony?
A lot of things. It needs to be brought up more often that, nowadays, brand is far less important than condition. Even a Zenith or Sylvania that has seen little use is probably going to look better than a Sony that was used and abused.

Sony gets hyped because it's a common, reliable brand, but that doesn't mean you can't find something similar or better. I'm a big fan of late model JVCs and older Mitsubishis, myself. My mom has an 18-year-old Panasonic in her bedroom that still looks really great.

>>6127985
Most people have PVMs over BVMs. I have heard that the scanlines on BVMs are so sharp as to be distracting, unless you're an autismo who is trying to have super-visible scanlines. I play on a 20" PVM, and sitting back at 3 or 4 feet away, the scanlines are pretty inoffensive. They're clearly there, but they just add a nice texture to everything as opposed to looking like venetian blinds.

[Anonymous No.6133380]

>>6131694
> This listing has ended.
Who the fuck bought it?

[Anonymous No.6133387]

Scoring some tubes tonight

[Anonymous No.6133495]

>>6133380
Just because a listing ended doesn't mean someone had to buy it. It could've expired or the seller ended it early.

[Anonymous No.6133627]

I just got a Samsung GX and it was working completely fine. I unplugged it, started taking the stickers off and wiping the thing down to make it look nice. Plugged it in and now all I get are blinking lights on the power and speakers

[Anonymous No.6133860]

>>6132320

[Anonymous No.6133965]

>>6129941
ayy, someone else with a Hitachi

[Anonymous No.6134064]

>>6119813
I've done it 2 ways:
1. Connect modern pc to extron super emotia (had to use displayport to vga adapter for this part) then connect super emotia to pvm with 5 bnc cables, then went into nvidia control panel to set the output resolution to the pvm to 640 x 480 at 60 hz. Wa la, the pvm is now another monitor.

2. Before I bought the emotia, I used an extron rgb 109xi. Connected pc to rgb 109xi with display port to vga adapter, then connect rbg 109xi to pvm with the 5 bnc cables, then same thing as before I went into nvidia control panel except this time I outputted a 320 x 240 resolution to the pvm. However, I had to manually adjust specific values for this 240p resolution in order to get it to look okay.

I much prefer using the super emotia because it's almost plug and play. There was much less headache in that compared to connecting my pc to the pvm with the rgb 109xi. And with the 480p resolution it makes using the pvm as a second monitor completely viable (240p is definitely not viable as a second monitor).

One last warning though, extron super emotias are stupid expensive on ebay and I even had to buy a replacement power supply for it so my method was not the cheapest route by any means.
I hope this gives some insight to people who had the same question.

[Anonymous No.6134113]

>>6134064
you went from doing it properly to using the meme box to cut out half of the actual image. wow.

[Anonymous No.6134134]

>>6134064
>extron super emotias are stupid expensive on ebay
I see units going for under $200. That's not free, but it's also not exactly expensive for what seems like a computer-to-TV converter.

[Anonymous No.6134138]

Just bought a LACIe Electron22BlueIV, hyped as fuck. Can't wait until thursday when it finally arrives.

[Anonymous No.6134143]

>>6134138
how much?

[Anonymous No.6134154]

>>6134143
70 britbongerinos.

[Anonymous No.6134167]

>>6134154
lucky son of a bitch. let us know how many hours it has when you get it.

[Anonymous No.6134189]

>>6134113
don't know what you mean, non of the image is cut off

[Anonymous No.6134253]

>>6134138
Enjoy your broken monitor. Unless they packed it well expect it in a million pieces.

[Anonymous No.6134324]

>>6134253
Come on lad, no need to be jelly. I know who I'm buying from, it will be well packed and brought by a private car straight to my doorstep. I'll be sure to post some pics when I get it so you can foam out of your mouth a little bit more.

[Anonymous No.6134446]

>>6134138
I had the 19" before I threw it away once the image started to go away. Even so, it had very bad geometry that was never perfect and it had a green tint that wasn't possible to calibrate right using the OSD. For a CRT it had pathetic black levels. Hope yours came with the hood cover because you'll need it to remove all the glare.

[Anonymous No.6134469]

>>6134446
Flatscreen CRTs always have shitty geometry. My Toshiba TV has a flat CRT and I've learned to live with the fact lines will never be straight.

[Anonymous No.6134493]

>>6131694
thank you john!

[Anonymous No.6134497]

>>6134469
It was worse at the corners and the general geometry was like a stretched trapezoid. It was great to run at 640x480 @60Hz, very fat scanlines and extremely sharp screen overall.

[Anonymous No.6134505]

>>6134497
Don't forget to take photos of all the settings because the reset option doesn't work as expected. If the OSD is locked search on the net and you'll find the right button combo.

[Anonymous No.6134641]

>>6134446
I've got the 19" version and it's fucking perfect. Yours must have been dead when you got it dude.

[Anonymous No.6134727]

>>6134469
>>6134505
don't compare a flatscreen tv to a monitor. monitors are much more complicated and advanced deflection circuitry compared to a tv. also, the whole service menu thing only really applies to tvs. some monitors have service menus but for the most part you wont ever need to go into it. all the geometry, convergence, etc adjustments are done in the user menu.

[Anonymous No.6135146]

>>6125846
20L5 owner here; don't do that.
Just get a nice tri-dot screen.
It's really not worth it.
>>6131694
I KNOW WHAT I GOT
>>6131784
because people fall for the memes.
>>6132320
Probably not, but turn it on and see what it looks like.
>>6133387
They look pretty but the pictures probably won't.

[Anonymous No.6135232]

>>6134138
>Getting it delivered
facepalm.jpg
>>6134154
>70 sovs
Mine was a tenner 6 months ago, eBay BIN. It's a good monitor though, assuming it survives.
>>6134167
How? Hold a seance? That facility is not available.

[Anonymous No.6135278]

>>6135232
>How? Hold a seance? That facility is not available.
Shows what you know, eh. The 2070sb has a service menu and keeps track of hours. Most later Mitsubishi/NEC monitors do.

[Anonymous No.6135308]

[Anonymous No.6135361]

>>6135308
He's full of shit, though. He did art for computer games. Computer monitors were never blurry; they were literally the sharpest monitors in existence. He's just a boomer talking out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.6135373]

>>6135361
t. zoomer
Typical monitors on an early 90s PC was no better than a TV. Shit ran at 640x480 and if you're lucky 800x600.

[Anonymous No.6135392]

>>6135373
You are full of shit

[Anonymous No.6135393]

>>6135361
Some of the computers he made games for were those keyboard-only little shits that everyone plugged into their TVs.
He also worked on plug-'n'-play TV games, and a fair portion of his presentation is how he made trees from a single background on one such TV game look like clouds or even city buildings using just palette cycling.

[Anonymous No.6135402]

>>6135373
>Shit ran at 640x480
So? PVMs run at even less when playing retro games, and people are trying to decry them for being "too sharp". Having a low resolution does not mean the image is blurry, especially if that image is native to that fucking resolution, and the video signal is RGB, you absolute tool.

If early '90s PC monitors were no better than a TV, you literally wouldn't have been able to read text on them. Sounds to me like you're the zoomer who just read a wikipedia article on old monitor resolutions and fancies yourself a scholar.

t. someone who actually owned a computer in the early '90s.

>>6135393
I dunno, looking at a list of his stuff, his most famous games seem to be straight up PC games; Loom, Monkey Island, X-Wing, Fate of Atlantis, etc... All of this stuff got played on 640x480 VGA or 800x600 SVGA monitors, which are way sharper than even a PVM.

[Anonymous No.6135405]

>>6135373
>early 90s PC was no better than a TV. Shit ran at 640x480 and if you're lucky 800x600.
t. a zoomer who thinks that low resolution = blurry.

Literally the only people who think that are retards and zoomers who have only used upscaling LCDs.

[Anonymous No.6135406]

>>6135373
here's a rather basic monitor from 1994. you have not a clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6135408]

>>6135402
>looking at a list of his stuff, his most famous games seem to be
So you didn't play them at the time and are just speculating without personal experience?

What gives you the gall to disagree with the artist himself in a presentation of how he did his art back then compared to how he imitates that look with modern tools?

[Anonymous No.6135418]

>>6135408
Not that guy but I did use them. They were sharp as fuck compared to contemporary TVs. He's probably just making a general statement rather than Loom specifically

[Anonymous No.6135423]

>>6135408
>So you didn't play them at the time
When did I say I didn't play them? I just didn't know Mark Ferrari had anything to do with those games because I'm not some autist who memorizes game credits. I played the shit out of X-Wing, Monkey's Island and Fate of Atlantis. Well, I didn't play Fate of Atlantis, my friend had it and I used to come over and watch him and try to help him figure shit out.

I'm not saying he's wrong about how he created his own art, but he absolutely was wrong if he thought all of those computer games were being played on "blurry" monitors. Because they weren't.

[Anonymous No.6135424]

>/crt/ is literally full of zoomers who don't remember how sharp computer monitors were in the early 90s
Fuck, no wonder this place is such shit.

[Anonymous No.6135441]

>>6135424
one idiot made a dipshit comment and everybody is calling him out for it, but sure the place is "full of zoomers"

[Anonymous No.6135447]

>>6135424
A few threads back some zoomer was asking whether crts always have a dark strip running up and down the screen because he has only seem them on tv.

[Anonymous No.6135460]

>>6135447
Peak zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6136564]

Anyone know off what the model of this Trinitron could be? Its listed for an estate sale this weekend in my area, and I'm probably gonna buy it if it's there when I hit up the place. I have a bad habit of buying every crt I come across (got something like 20 now). Looks like it's from the 80s, and the remote looks the same as the one for a KV-1370R I got a few weeks ago. Couldnt find anything on google though.

[Anonymous No.6136589]

>>6136564
KV-1311CR judging by the amount of buttons on the front.

[Anonymous No.6136642]

>>6136589
Thanks, that looks like it! For a moment I thought it might be a KX series one, since it looks very similar except for the little black stripe there. Seems this model still supports RGB, and can be used as a monitor, which is pretty cool. Also trying to find out what the crt in pic rel is. Probably just a tv, but with that computer next to it, it could be a monitor. My best guess on the computer is a Dell Dimension 3100, but I can't find any info on what the included monitor was.

[Anonymous No.6136885]

>>6135373
>t. zoomer who thinks he remembers how 480p monitors looked

[Anonymous No.6136887]

>>6136885
Date of manufacture: March 11 1993

[Anonymous No.6136892]

>>6135402
Reminder that unless you owned an MT-32 (which cost as much as a PC without getting you a PC) the best Monkey island port played in 240p (technically 200 lines active region on NTSC and 256 on PAL).
(Amiga)

[Anonymous No.6136910]

Any good use for my childhood crt? Still works good just not very good in lit rooms.

[Anonymous No.6136915]

>>6136910
Turn it on and show us what it can do and maybe we can tell you.

Of course, if you can find a new or lightly used matching tube, that'd be a good replacement for its current one.

Not about to tell you "it's great" when you show us a picture of it turned off and don't even give anything for us to look up.

[Anonymous No.6136923]

>>6136915
Gimme a sec to drag it over to my xp build

[Anonymous No.6136949]

>>6136923
No osd so can't figure hours. Will run up to 1280x768. Working on taking a picture that doesn't pulse or black bar. Also makes audible flyback noise even my deaf ass can hear.

[Anonymous No.6136962]

Still working on the dials getting it aligned well. Quake II looks good

[Anonymous No.6136994]

>>6136962
Looking through princetongraphics old website looks like the ultra series was entry level office stuff. The EO and Arcadia were their high end.

[Anonymous No.6137384]

LM1881 sync separator acquired

[Anonymous No.6137705]

>>6136962
I don't miss the days of PC CRTs having nothing but image size controls. Had an old 15" Gateway monitor like that and I eventually donated it to a thrift store along with the computer.
I kind of regret it.

[Anonymous No.6137987]

Rate my pick. Just found it today.

[Anonymous No.6138016]

>>6137987
very nice, good specs and size.

[Anonymous No.6138017]

>>6137987
Nice haul. I have a similar monitor and it's real good.