/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6105748]

Name 1 (one) console revision that was actually better than the original

[Anonymous No.6105757]

>>6105748
NES Toploader

[Anonymous No.6105765]

>>6105748
AV Famicom
Panasonic Q

[Anonymous No.6105767]

Game Boy Pocket (or Color if it counts)
Lynx received a better revision as well

[Anonymous No.6105769]

>>6105748
GB Pocket
AV Famicom

[Anonymous No.6105770]

Isn't the Genesis Model 2 better at video than Model 1? but Model 1 is better at audio.

[Anonymous No.6105785]

>>6105770
The answers are mixed with several of the older consoles. There were revisions within the same designs that offer a much different picture with say, the SNES.

[Anonymous No.6105793]

Neo Geo pocket colour, Neo Geo CDZ

[Anonymous No.6105805]

>>6105757
>RF only
>>6105770
Out of the box the model 2 has better picture, but you can put a 32X into a model 1 and get the same quality picture as a model 2.

[Anonymous No.6105806]

AV Famicom
SNES Jr. (with RGB mod)
JVC X'Eye
GameBoy Color

[Anonymous No.6105807]

>>6105767
>Game Boy Pocket
/thread
>easier to see
>easier to hold
>smaller batteries, better life
>screen doesn't have sewer-inspired colors

[Anonymous No.6105816]

>>6105805
Not if you're using RGB, it only applies to composite.

So out of the box, the Model 1 is still the better revision all round.

[Anonymous No.6105867]

>>6105816
I wouldn't use RGB out of a Genesis, it breaks the dithering effect commonly used, taking advantage of the blurring effect of composite output to make it seem like the console could output more colors than it really could, and create smoother gradients.
https://youtu.be/x0weL5XDpPs

[Anonymous No.6105885]

>>6105806
AV Famicom doesn't have a microphone on the second controller like a regular famicom, and it doesn't match with the Disk System as well either.

[Anonymous No.6105934]

>>6105748
PSOne
Sega Saturn Model 2 White(Japanese)

[Anonymous No.6105942]

PC Engine Duo R

[Anonymous No.6105950]

>>6105748
-Funtastic N64 models that have slightly sharper output than other models
-Saturn model 2
-WonderSwan Color
-NGPC
-GBC

[Anonymous No.6106015]

>>6105950
>Funtastic N64 models that have slightly sharper output than other models
That’s not due to an improvement, but because Nintendo used fewer components along the composite line to save costs. So you get technically get a ‘sharper’ image, but it is also shitloaders noisier.

[Anonymous No.6106018]

Genesis and Saturn model 2 simply because of the controllers.

[Anonymous No.6106049]

>>6105942
It lost the headphone jack the Duo had tho

[Anonymous No.6106121]

>>6105748
The Genesis 3 is trash...No 32x/SegaCD/Game Genie support

[Anonymous No.6106348]

Atari Lynx II.

[Anonymous No.6106350]

GBA SP
GBA Micro

[Anonymous No.6106386]

>>6105748
Genesis CDX

[Anonymous No.6106404]

>>6106121
You can mod in 32x, game genie, and stereo sound support, and a Mega SD flashcart will play Sega CD games without a Sega CD.

[Anonymous No.6106407]

It's impossible since basically all major console revisions are for cost saving reasons. Especially Sega. They didn't revise to improve it.

[Anonymous No.6106453]

>>6105748
I'll always prefer the Genesis 2 because it was the one I had as a kid.
Also the Game Boy Pocket was an objective upgrade over the original, clearer screen, less ghosting, more neutral colors.

[Anonymous No.6106913]

>>6105770
gen 3 has the best rgb out

[Anonymous No.6106926]

>>6106386
This

[Anonymous No.6106930]

>>6105867
>MUH SHITTY TRANSPERANCY
Yeah no, I rather have actually ghrapics instead of blur for some shitty effects

[Anonymous No.6107078]

>>6106930
What, too much SOUL for you?

[Anonymous No.6107083]

>>6105867
Composite looks like utter shit though, enjoy that lovely dot crawl..

[Anonymous No.6107085]

>>6106926
It's a piece of shit, lol

[Anonymous No.6107090]

>>6107083
Even on a CRT composite looks like total shit.

[Anonymous No.6107094]

>>6107090
>>6107083
>I have never played composite on an actual CRT and think the shitty composite encoding from certain consoles is how all composite looks: The Posts

[Anonymous No.6107095]

>>6105885
Has composite out and also detachable controllers. The Dog Bone controllers are really nice BTW, the lack of the microphone is a small price to pay, especially as only three games ever used it.

[Anonymous No.6107101]

>>6107094
It looks like shit, get over it..

[Anonymous No.6107105]

>>6107094
>Never played RGB on a CRT, absolutely seething..

[Anonymous No.6107121]

>>6107101
>it looks like shit because I've only seen composite on my modern display
Composite looks fine on CRTs, get over it
>>6107105
>thinks Genesis having good RGB encoding and shit composite encoding means all composite video looks bad, absolutely seething

I know /vr/ is where niggerbrained zoomers like acting old and knowledgeable, but this is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.6107132]

>>6107121
Actually if you were paying attention while you were springing out, there, composite is well dodgy on the MD anyway and you really have to look for a particular revision in order to get the better composite signal. So in this case RGB is the best way to go regardless.

[Anonymous No.6107143]

>>6107121
Actually if you were paying attention instead of sperging out, composite is well dodgy on the MD anyway and you really have to look for a particular revision in order to get the better composite signal. So in this case RGB is the best way to go.

In general RGB is a far superior signal anyway, regardless of missing out on a few dithering effects now and again.

[Anonymous No.6107148]

>>6107121
Seething, lol

[Anonymous No.6107152]

>>6105757
The US ones were RF only if i'm not mistaken? and not good RF either, you had to send some of them back to get them fixed

Although they were region free, I think?

[Anonymous No.6107175]

>>6107152
The toploader doesn't have 10NES, but you still need an adapter for Famicom games to fit and you still miss out on the extra sound channels. I know you can mod a frontloader NES to work with the FC sound channels, not sure about a toploader.

[Anonymous No.6107216]

>>6107143
>Actually if you were paying attention instead of sperging out, composite is well dodgy on the MD anyway
Actually if you were paying attention, I already said that, nigger brain.
>regardless of missing out on a few dithering effects
That permeate pretty much every single game. It's understandable that one would prefer the objective clarity RGB provides even over good composite signals, but understand that composite's color blurring was used an advantage by most devs in order to get additional shades of color the Mega Drive didn't have. Most of my spergng out is at zoomer niggers who think all composite is shit because all they know is the shitty composite output seen from consoles like the Mega Drive and N64.
>>6107148
cringe and have sex

[Anonymous No.6107220]

>>6107216
Absolutely seething, looooooool

[Anonymous No.6107239]

>>6107216
>Trying to convince himself that composite is amazing due to having no access to RGB lol

[Anonymous No.6107248]

>>6107216
So you admit that composite is shite on the Mega Drive and that you should be using RGB, that;s all I needed to see, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6107260]

>>6107239
>trying to convice himself all compsite shit even though he's never seen it on a real CRT or from something with decent output lol
>>6107248
>So you admit that composite is shite on the Mega Drive
Never said it wasn't, niggerbrain. Just that composite itself isn't bad, especially on a CRT. Being a nigger, reading must be hard for you.
>and that you should be using RGB
If you have no taste and prefer clarity over what the games were intended to like, sure.

[Anonymous No.6107292]

>>6107260
They were talking about the Mega Drive specifically, you absolute retard, lol

You're the one who can't accept that RGB is a much better signal. So much so that you're now trying to convince yourself that you're the only person who's seen composite video on CRT.

Even good composite video is no where near as good as an RGB signal.

You're so wrapped up in your own bullshit, it's actually hilarious. All you've got as a comeback are pathetic racial slurs,because you're fucking seething right now loooool

[Anonymous No.6107931]

>>6105769
>AV Famicom
>sound is mixed incorrectly
>no mic, makes it impossible to properly play FDS zelda so you have to go for the cartridge audio downgrade
>200x less sexy aesthetically
>still has short-ass controller cords but no storage built in for the controllers
pic: Sorry, a top loader's my closest AV Famicom approximation because the AV Famicom costs way too much and an AV modded fami can look nice at a fraction of the cost.
I extended the controller for player 1 in much the same way as one extends the controllers for japanese AV famicoms: by using NES controller cords.

[Anonymous No.6107935]

>>6107292
>even good composite video is nowhere near as good
indeed. I am OK with composite for NES/Fami because they don't generate RGB internally, but I at acknowledge it'd be nice if they did (or if I had money to justify an NESRGB and the know-how to put my own custom palette on it) because I'm not a brainlet.

Pictured: genesis composite vs rgb; pick your poison.

[Anonymous No.6107939]

>>6105807
>GBP
Enjoy your columns

[Anonymous No.6107973]

>>6107935
The water looks way better on the composite but the sprites don't

[Anonymous No.6108007]

>>6107973
the water looks rainbow colored. When have you seen rainbow colored water?

[Anonymous No.6108048]

>>6108007
That rainbow effect is because it's a picture of a CRT, it's present in both pictures.

[Anonymous No.6108076]

X'eye
GB Light
Snes Jr
Pico 2
Xbox X

[Anonymous No.6108083]

>>6105748
AGS-101 was significantly better than the -001, although I don't like the form factor of either GBA SP.

[Anonymous No.6108103]

>>6108083
Lol, except you can't see a 101's screen in sunlight, where you can see a 001's anywhere.
(red SP is a 101 LCD in a 001 shell.)
Try again.

[Anonymous No.6108107]

>>6108076
>snes jr
Composite video only. 1chip matched RGB quality without needing modding.
>xbox
not /vr/
>GB light
Sure, except for the poorer audio quality and short battery life.
>X'eye
besides being too expensive, it is apparently less reliable than a model 2 CD + model 1 genesis. Def. smaller though.
Don't know or care about the rest.

[Anonymous No.6108108]

>>6108103
the frontlight is shit, sorry

[Anonymous No.6108112]

>>6108108
>I prefer oversaturated color and not being able to play outside over something that is adequate anywhere and much cheaper

[Anonymous No.6108119]

>>6108112
p.s.
Fat DS is the best way to play GBA games on a handheld. Similar colors to a reflective GBA screen, similar screen size, more comfy to hold.
For GBC? Frontlit SP all the way.
For original GB? No colors, so a backlit SP'd be fine there, but I like using a DMG or a GB Light.

[ !Codeine.pA No.6108127]

>>6105748
You didn't say retro so pretty much every modern revision is less likely to fault than day one units.

Older hardware? I unironically enjoy using my PSone with the LCD, sometimes I even used that to play back video from minidv as a really shitty field monitor lol.

GBA revisions are definitely improvements but idk if that's retro.

>>6107095
Agreed, my gf has a Famicom and the AV revision from her childhood and I've never seen a reason to use the original. Maybe part of it is ageing of the hardware, but they're both pretty old and the outputs/controllers are drastically better.

[Anonymous No.6108159]

>>6108107
>Composite video only. 1chip matched RGB quality without needing modding.
SNES Jr. with an RGB mod actually has slightly better RGB than even a 1CHIP SNES. Plus it's a lot smaller and the newer controllers are a tiny bit better.

>>6108107
>besides being too expensive, it is apparently less reliable than a model 2 CD + model 1 genesis. Def. smaller though.
The X'Eye is actually more reliable than any other Sega CD add-on/console, and is way easier to repair as well. Seek times are also slightly faster, and it has the sharpest RGB of any console that can play Genesis games.

>>6108083
>>6108103
>>6108108
Frontlit and Backlit SPs both have their pros and cons. Frontlit is infinitely better for playing outside in the sun. The frontlight can be turned off, and it also performs pretty well indoors. The colors are washed out though and the light uniformity is uneven across the screen. The Backlit SP is far better for playing indoors, especially in dark areas. The light is evenly distributed across the screen and colors are more accurate and vibrant. The backlight can't be turned off though and it's terrible for playing outside in the sun.

[Anonymous No.6108181]

>>6108127
You'd probably see much better results out of the original Famicom if you replace the capacitors and modify it for AV.
>>6108103
I live in Texas where it's sunny as fuck all the time and never had a problem with my AGS-101 and vastly prefer it to AGS-001s, its performance in the sun has never been an issue for me.

[Anonymous No.6108185]

>>6105807
But does that really count as a revison or is that just and offshoot?

>>6106350
>GBA SP isn't retro faggot. it isn't retro retro because retro years of retro aren't retro and read the rules retro

I was actually going to say this too. Why the hell was the screen so dim in it's original release. I remember being confused as shit when it was first released and realizing how shitty mine looked.

[Anonymous No.6108193]

>>6108127
>You didn't say retro so pretty much every modern revision is less likely to fault than day one units.
Not faults, but PS3? Actually, weren't some of the later models a bit dodgier build-wise? I remember the extra-slim ones being worse.

I still reckon the original DMG was the best game boy though.

[Anonymous No.6108205]

>>6105934
this

[Anonymous No.6108771]

>>6105748
Gameboy Pocket/Light
GBA SP

[Anonymous No.6108775]

>>6107939
doesnt almost every console do this? even my recapped game gear does

[Anonymous No.6108921]

2600 Jr

[Anonymous No.6108934]

>>6107931
Are the sound problems exclusive to the AV Fami? I have a Sharp Twin and I haven't noticed any problems but I don't have an OG Fami to compare it to.

[Anonymous No.6110332]

>>6107939
Thanks anon, I will!

[Anonymous No.6111739]

>>6105805
>>6107152
You can do a composite mod on the NES2.

[Anonymous No.6111764]

>>6105748
Sega CD Model 2

[Anonymous No.6111772]

>>6107939
I literally just fixed this on my DMG gameboy like three years ago so not sure what your point is

[Anonymous No.6112048]

>>6108159
>SNES Jr. with an RGB mod actually has slightly better RGB than even a 1CHIP SNES.
No they don't.
I've modded several jr's. My 1chip-02 looks as good as that. Also they use the same chips.
I have also seen other 1chips that look worse than my 1chip, though, so… grain of salt and all of that. Don't just repeat what RetroRGB says; that guy's not a god and in my book he is a faggot.
>>6108181
If you never play outside it won't bother you, I guess.
>>6108775
The GBP does it far worse than the DMG, working from a sample size of four working DMG's and three working GBP's. None of the DMG's had bars as bad as any of the GBP's.
>>6108934
I am not familiar enough with the Sharp Famis to be able to give a definitive answer there, but my gut feeling based on vague memories of forum posts is that they are alright.
>>6110332
Heh. Good one.
>>6111739
As much as I like AV mods, the OP is asking about revisions of consoles that were better, not that could be modded to be OK.
>>6111764
That's fair but the SCD isn't a console on its own.
>>6111772
That's not the same kind of columns, dipshit. Ghosting isn't the same as where you have dead columns.

[Anonymous No.6112214]

>>6105748
The PSX had a lot of revisions pre-PSOne that improved on the design. The early ones have really shitty lasers and overheat.

[Anonymous No.6112217]

>>6107931
>>sound is mixed incorrectly
Only FDS games and a few cartridge games utilized that, and I think you can actually fix that with a simple mod.
>>no mic, makes it impossible to properly play FDS zelda so you have to go for the cartridge audio downgrade
Very few games used it, most just as a stupid gimmick. Also, I think the AV Famicom had a compatibility fix for this purpose where you can activate the mic through a button combination on controller 2.
>>200x less sexy aesthetically
That's a subjective opinion.
>>still has short-ass controller cords but no storage built in for the controllers
Unlike the original, the controllers are detachable. I bought my AV Famicom loose with no controllers or anything, I bought a set of MicroGenius controllers which I use.

[Anonymous No.6112218]

pc engine coregrafx (built in composite)
pc engine super cd rom (built in system card 3.0, uncommon as fuck though)

[Anonymous No.6112554]

>>6112048
>That's not the same kind of columns, dipshit. Ghosting isn't the same as where you have dead columns.

I’m not talking about ghosting, I’m talking about dead columns my guy

[Anonymous No.6113052]

Genesis 2 + CD 2 was peak 16 bit aesthetics
<implying the clusterfuck that was the turbografx + cd was superior to turboduo

[Anonymous No.6113228]

>>6106018
I know about the Saturn controllers, but what's different with the Genesis? I didn't know there were controller revisions aside from the 6 button one

[Anonymous No.6113476]

>>6105748
the majesco gamegear re-release was less harsh on batteries

[Anonymous No.6113480]

>>6113052
they had one job and it was to add the mulitap to the system

[Anonymous No.6113504]

>>6105807
>smaller batteries, better life
smaller batteries yes, better life no. it lasts like half as long as the dmg. which makes sense since it uses two aaa instead of 4 aa, but still i see ppl get this wrong a lot.

[Anonymous No.6113519]

>>6113476
Yeah but the master system converter and tv tuner dont work on it
So its a tradeoff

[Anonymous No.6113524]

>>6113519
I didn't know that the converter doesn't work with it. That's interesting, I've been debating on getting one of those converters as they're a lot cheaper than buying a master system

[Anonymous No.6113927]

>>6113524
Just get the power base converter if you wanna collect master system games or a genesis flash cart if you aren't interested in collecting them, the genesis can run master system games off of a flash cart

[Anonymous No.6114020]

>>6108934

No probs with mine. That post seems overly pedantic imo.

The lack of the mic isn't a deal breaker and the Dog Bone controller with the AV is much better.

Also composite video is much better (especially via a retrotink) and way more accessible than Japanese RF.