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6101647 No.6101647 [Reply] [Original]

>launch title is the best game on the console
How did they get away with it?
Banjofags need not reply, I don't care about your walking simulator with objectively worse controls and physics.

>> No.6101651

>launch title is the best game on the console
this is the case like half the time at least

>> No.6101653

Revolutionary for it's time but the controls are awkward and camera is objectively bad.

>> No.6101665

>>6101653
>but the controls are awkward
This is an incorrect statement
>camera is objectively bad.
This is objectively wrong and the only people who think this are people so stupid they don't know there's camera options besides Lakitu C-Down. Any camera problem in the entire game is solved by using one of the four cameras (Lakitu, Lakitu C-Down, Mario, Mario C-Down) when in the appropriate situation. The only problem with the camera is that the player has to expend even one IQ to know how and when to use it.

>> No.6101668

They got away with it because N64 and it's library is trash, and only people with Nintendo's cock up their ass keep denying it. So it wasn't really a difficult task.

>> No.6101674

>>6101668
Imagine still seething after over 20 years because your mom wouldn't buy you an N64 because you already had a PlayStation

>> No.6101676

>>6101674
There's only so many times you can go with the PS1 boogeyman.

>> No.6101684

>>6101665

Having to manually change camera positions 100's of times isn't a positive game feature, it is an obvious shortcoming of the game that was mostly fixed in OoT but still frustrating at times.

>> No.6101687

>>6101684
Oh no, I have to press a button sometimes to move the camera. It seriously isn't a flaw unless you're a zoomer who's too used to the camera being completely done for you to be able to comprehend manual camera control. Yes, of course, it would be better if it were fully automated. No, that doesn't make the camera control in the game bad. Plenty of games, even modern games, have worse cameras than SM64. The only issue with Mario's is that you have to occasionally switch modes for a specific section, which isn't that big a deal, hell, I'd even call it not a deal. Literally all you have to do is if you face some place where the camera is weird or not doing what you want, press R and then C-Down.

>> No.6101691

>>6101647
Nigger, Banjo had more soul and better platforming than your bing bing wahoo cringefest. You're a simpleton and should leave the hobby and even kill yourself.

>> No.6101698

>>6101691
>Banjo had more soul
Banjo was better in every regard besides gameplay
Which is the only thing that actually matters
>better platforming
Objectively incorrect.

>> No.6101701

>>6101651
truth, if the launch titles suck then the console is forever cursed and memories tainted

>> No.6101704

>>6101684
>Having to manually change camera positions 100's of times isn't a positive game feature
TIL 3 dimensions suck

>> No.6101712

>>6101701
But people still seem to like the PS2 and GameCube

>> No.6101713

>>6101647
>How did they get away with it?
When you're the only one developing for the system, it's easy to make the best game.
>>6101665
>The only problem with the camera is that the player has to expend even one IQ to know how and when to use it.
The fact that you had to expend all of your IQ points on this game does help explain your current childish opinion on it.

>> No.6101714

>>6101713
>The fact that you had to expend all of your IQ points on this game does help explain your current childish opinion on it.
"The camera in SM64 isn't bad" isn't a childish stance, the opposite is overwhelmingly the stance taken by children who can't play any game released before 2005 without breaking out in hives.

>> No.6101721

>>6101714
>if you don't like garbage ur a zoomer
I rarely play anything past 6th gen. I've beaten a shit ton of NES and Master System games and I still think Mario 64 is overrated garbage.

>> No.6101723

>>6101698
>Objectively incorrect.
No, and the camera in Mario 64 is bad.
>Gameplay is the only thing that matters
Have you ever been checked by a medical professional for severe autism?

>> No.6101724

>>6101721
>>6101723
>have to press the R button sometimes so that means it's a bad camera system
Ok retard

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>>6101647
>>launch title is the best game on the console
Try again, sweaty.

>> No.6101726

>>6101714
>this level of cope for the system's "best game"
Thank God I never bought this shit console.

>> No.6101728
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>>6101726

>> No.6101734

>>6101647
>Mario 64 is better than OoT and MM
How can you be this wrong?

>> No.6101741

>>6101724
It's a bad camera system cringelord.

>> No.6101746

>Mario 64 has bad camera

Seriously go fucking actually play some games from the timeframe, what the fuck are you guys smoking

>> No.6101774

>>6101712
That is because they are not allowed here.

>> No.6101804
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6101804

There's only a few times where the camera is an issue in Mario 64. This part being one of them. It's either the camera is lodged firmly in Mario's ass or the most unhelpful zoomed out static shot possible.

>> No.6101808

>>6101723
>hurdur I gotta operate perspective in 3d
>no u have autism

>> No.6101815

>>6101647
>How did they get away with it?
Well, it was hard to top since it was so revolutionary and played so damn good. OoT is not a worse game by any means though, it's also fun

>> No.6101820

>>6101647
It was incredible at the time, and the console/controller was basically made around the game rather than the other way round so it all seems seemless

>> No.6101831

>>6101647
When you think about, Nintendo really was on a roll with those early N64. Mario 64, Pilotwings 64 and Wave Race 64 truly are unstoppable.

>> No.6101864

>>6101820
Like 1-2-Switch

>> No.6101898

>>6101804
Yep, true. How can people defend this instance?

>> No.6101908

>>6101665
>This is objectively wrong and the only people who think this are people so stupid they don't know there's camera options besides Lakitu C-Down. Any camera problem in the entire game is solved by using one of the four cameras (Lakitu, Lakitu C-Down, Mario, Mario C-Down) when in the appropriate situation. The only problem with the camera is that the player has to expend even one IQ to know how and when to use it.
This nigger gets it.

>> No.6101915

>>6101668
Why does the N64 make you so mad?

>> No.6101918

>>6101691
Banjo is boring trash
>>6101712
>ppl like gamecube
Its worse than 64 in every way

>> No.6101989

>>6101712
GC actually had decent launch titles. Pikmin, Rogue Squadron II, you could probably argue Luigi's Mansion as well. Sure it wasn't as good as the games that would come out later, nor was it as good as the launches of the NES and SNES but it wasn't a shit launch by any means.

>> No.6102009

>>6101898
It's one star and you don't ever have to get it unless you're going for 100% completion
Even then the player in the WEBM should have pressed C-Down for a sightly more comfortable camera

>> No.6102035
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Another N64 hate thread...

>> No.6102042

>>6101647
One of the best, maybe even top 5, but not the absolute best on the console. Both Zelda games on the console are more enjoyable if you ask me.

>> No.6102784

>>6101691
>soul
>bing bing wahoo
Either form a proper argument or kindly go back to /v/ with this meme shit.

>> No.6102849

>>6101691
Banjo didn't have real platforming until the last level

>> No.6103048

>>6101651
>Wii with Wii Sports
Yup

>> No.6103054

I still replay it every couple of years and it's great. The camera is a little jank sometimes but given that it invented third-person cameras as they still exist now I can cut it some slack. Even if it was objectively the greatest piece of media ever created people on 4chins would still shit on it to look 'cultured' because it's popular so there's no point arguing with them.

>> No.6103056

>>6101723
>saying gameplay is the only thing that matters is autism
>on /vr/
Not that anon, but honestly and wholeheartedly I urge you to fuck off to >>>/v/ with your shitty values and never come back.

>> No.6103057

>>6101725
You are my nigga.

>> No.6103059

I wanted to hate this game so much, since I am generally very anti-nintendo and anti-mario, but I won't lie, this is one of the best games ever made.
Fuck miyamoto and his black magic.

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>>6101804
HERE WE GOOOOO

>> No.6103812

>>6101989
Pikmin wasn't a launch title

>> No.6103912

So much hate for a system that you also claim not to care about. I to dont give a fuck about the sega saturn but you dont see me me makeing threads about it.

>> No.6104048

>>6103059
>since I am generally very anti-nintendo and anti-mario
Why? Mario is fun

>> No.6104097

>>6101647
The more i read about Nintendo, the more i'm convinced that they are the bigger risktakers compared to Sony. Wii, Labo, R.O.B., Virtual Boy.

>> No.6105243

>>6102035
>demotivationals
looks like dated hardware isn't the only Nintendohs love.

>> No.6105262

>>6104097
All Sony have done is copy. Even when the Wii U came out they tried to push PS4 + Vita. Wasn't that supposed to the big AC IV feature? lol

>> No.6106341

>>6101665
The camera is bad nigga, you’re constantly battling poor angles as if it’s another in game obstacle

>> No.6106438

>>6106341
Here retard I've made a step-by-step guide for you that will solve all your camera problems
1. Press R
2. Press C-Down
There you go you stupid faggot

>> No.6106798

>>6101653
>camera is objectively bad.
Nigger it literally pioneered good camera controls in 3D games and had a better camera than most games for a decade after its release. Don't be a retard because the game that invented modern camera controls didn't get them buttery smooth the first time around.

>> No.6106817

>>6101647
>SMB3/World Areas/Levels:

Plains,Castle, Forest, Haunted House, Lake, Subterranea/Tunnels, Underworld/Hell, Sky, Arctic etc.

>Mario 64 Levels/Areas:

Castle Yard, Castle's Lake, Castle's Sky, Castle 's Plain, pretty much boring roaming throughout repetitive early badly aged 3D areas abound or around the castle.

>SMB3 / World Items/Powerups:

A plethora

>Mario 64
A stupid ass hat which can't been used for attacks
FUCK this shit. I was waiting for a 64bit Mario all those years for this horrible badly designed game. Banjo as everything Mario 64 should have been in the first place.

>> No.6106834

>>6101712
People don't even talk about it.

>> No.6106837

>>6106834
I mean the GameCube.

>> No.6106842

>>6101918
>Its worse than 64 in every way
>Better Mario
>Better Smash
>Better Mario Kart
>Better F-zero
>Better Paper Mario
>Metroid
>Renaissance of quality new IPs, Animal Crossing(I understand this is technically 64, but outside of nippon its a GC title, and inside of nippon the definitive edition is on the GC) Chibi-robo, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Luigi's mansion
>JRPGfags got an actually good game in Baten Kaitos
N64 has Zelda, SF, Rare, and the better Mario Parties.

>> No.6106869

>>6106842
>>Better Mario

>> No.6107024

>>6101915
Not him but it really is a shit console

>> No.6107029

>>6106438
No one should have to follow a step-by-step guide just to use the camera in a babby game, faggot.

>> No.6107032

>>6106842
Mario Kart, Paper Mario, the list goes on...

>> No.6107882

>>6106842
Sunchine is shit

>> No.6107908

Wave Race 64 is the best game on the system, GoldenEye is next.

>> No.6108118

>>6107029
Nigger it's press two fucking buttons, are you retarded

>> No.6108129

>>6101647
3D Mario games unironically all suck, 3D platformers in general are bad and only work when limited in confines (PSX Crash games etc.)

I agree Banjo is an atrocity though even by comparison

>> No.6108141

Why do people bitch about having to adjust the camera when later two stick games require you to control the camera at all times.

>> No.6108149

>Nintendo releases one of the most important games of all time, the genre-defining classic, Super Mario Bros., a launch title in America which completely shaped the way 2D platformers (if not 2D games as a whole) would be made from that point forward
>Nintendo releases one of the most important games of all time, the genre-defining classic, Super Mario 64, a launch title which completely shaped the way 3D platformers (if not 3D games as a whole) would be made from that point forward
They can't keep getting away with it

>> No.6108543

>>6108149
They also released BOTW, a genre defining classic which ..

>> No.6109604

>>6108543
Don't know if BotW redefined the genre yet.

>> No.6109750

>>6101712
The NoGamescube?

>> No.6109753

>>6108543
BOTW is an immersive sim, which System Shock and Deus Ex already defined

>> No.6109754

>>6109753
Metroid prime 3 is the best nintendo immersive sim

>> No.6109946

>>6109753
>immersive sim
What does this buzzword shit even mean? It simulates being immersed?

>> No.6109965

>>6105243
>dated
Where do you think you are?

>> No.6110005

>>6109946
no it's the term used to describe open worlds with dense with interactable content, it has synergistic systems that adds a lot more depth than simple run and gun, and platformers, and collectathons
it puts the more elaborate rpg mechanics you might find in tabletop games with a gm into an real time action focus

>> No.6110019

>Super Mario 64 convinces the general audience that analog sticks are good by presenting them with a game that fully utilizes the analog stick by having more degrees of movement and more precise moment with more movement options than ever before
>pretty much every future 3D platformer, including 64's direct sequel, dumbs down the movement in one way or another and Mario 64 remains one of the most fluid controlling games ever
I just don't get it.

>> No.6110049

>>6110019
Ican't be the only one thinking mario+zelda
gimmie an action adventure rpg with fluid platforming

>> No.6112516

Hey anons

I recently dug out my n64 for the first time in like a decade and went to play SM64, but I couldn't find the cart. Figuring that rather then just buying another copy, I should invest in a flashcart, I went to look up how much those are.

Are they really like 150-200$ for a decent one? That seems insanely expensive.

>>6101665
>This is an incorrect statement
Nah, I agree with him.

Mario in 64 is very unresponsive. It;s not unplayable or anything, but the time it takes for Mario to accelerate and how wide his turn radius is is pretty clunky. The Sonic Adventure games get shit for being hyper-senstive but at least that becomes an asset with mastery, wheras Mario's lack of responsiveness is always annoying.

>>6110019
See above, I don't understand this perspective at all.

>> No.6112524

>>6112516
>clunky

>> No.6112582

>How did they get away with it?

They overdeveloped the controls and movement to an absolutely absurd extent. Normally an early 3D game like this would have been left behind over its boring and primitive level design (which it absolutely is, the levels in SM64 were crap even before the end of the N64 era), but the movement in this game is so absurd that once you've grown out of playing the levels normally you can move onto breaking the game with tricks the developers never accounted for or were even aware were possible.

It's kind of absurd that this is still easily the most advanced 3D platformer out there, and Nintendo chose to go backwards on this instead of capitalize on their creation. The later Mario games, that only ever continued to restrict movement and simplify physics, feel more like they could be the first 3D Mario than the actual 3D Mario in how simplified they are. 3D World on WiiU is a fucking tragedy compared to SM64.

>> No.6112596

>>6112516
Yeah the ED64 V3 is basically perfect so it goes for a lot. It's worth getting though if you want to play on hardware and don't own the games you're interested in. You'll easily spend over 150$ just buying a 3-4 games nowadays.

If you wanted to go cheaper, the V2 is like 80$ or something I think. The compatibility is the same but it can't automatically save data like a normal cart or the V3 so you need to reset the console before you turn it off each time so it'll know to save.

>> No.6112614

>>6112516
>Mario in 64 is very unresponsive
this is a factually incorrect statement
>the time it takes for Mario to accelerate and how wide his turn radius is is pretty clunky
this is an opinion and not an objective statement, it's just not appeasing your preferences
>Sonic Adventure games get shit for being hyper-senstive but at least that becomes an asset with mastery, wheras Mario's lack of responsiveness is always annoying.
you can legit master super mario 64 physics
people are constantly speedrunning this even now
go look up just how recent the world record holder is
I watched him pull off shit I'm sure you'd think is impossible back in October

>> No.6112617

>>6112582
>the levels in SM64 were crap even before the end of the N64 era
terrible opinion
they're some of the funnest and most memorable levels in all of mario

>> No.6112619

>>6112516
Just get the cheap Chinese one

>> No.6112629

>>6112582
Mario Odyssey has had the funnest movement options since Mario 64, to be honest.
But as far as physics go, it's Mario 64 >> Sunshine > Odyssey >>>>>> Galaxy >> 3D World.
Sunshine would have felt amazing to play if Mario had a long jump and FLUDD didn't exist.

>> No.6112635

>>6112516
get the ED64 Plus "Game Save Drive", it's a clone of the Everdrive 64 v2.5, and is literally the same thing.

>> No.6113569

>>6112596
Is the V3 the X7?

Anyways my concern with a V2, for you and >>6112635 , is that https://stoneagegamer.com/flash/nintendo-64/ says it doesn't have "dedicated save memory" or a SD cart slot, so i'm not sure how the hell; you are supposed to save with the V2 vs an X7 then?

>it's a clone of the Everdrive 64 v2.5, and is literally the same thing.
So why does it go cheaper then?

>>6112619
What would be the disadvantage?

>>6112614
>this is a factually incorrect statement
If the game takes like a literal second to have the input you give translate to your desired action due to low acceleration, that's "unresponsive"

>you can legit master super mario 64 physics
>people are constantly speedrunning this even now

But people are working within the limitations of 64's low acceleration and wide turns. I'm not saying the game doesn't have a high skill ceiling overall, ui'm saying this specific element of 64 is flawed and holds players back

>>6112629
Sounds like you are conftalting movement options with movement physics: The lack of a long jump and FLUDD has nothing to do with mario's actual physics in sunshine, not to mention that it's not like ylou are forced to use fludd.

I can't imagine thinking 64 is better then oddessy either in movement ioptions or physics, though.

>> No.6114731

Just completed SM64 for a first time, tomorrow will look into playing Sunshine for a first time, guess I will see how exactly worse those controls/physics really are.

The only real problem I had in 64 in regards to movement was that it was painfully hard to move slowly instead of running full tilt, made those few narrow bridges here and there bit of a hassle, had to crawl over them in order to not accidentally fall off. Good thing there weren't more of them and that this slow crawl was even an option.
It was most probably either due to a shitty cheap pad or my inability to set correct options right.

>> No.6114735

>>6101647
This isn't Ocarina of Time.

>> No.6115189

>>6114731
Sunshine is vastly more responsive and tight for movement, but it gets shit because it's missing a few movement options (even though it adds more), fludd (even thjough you aren't forced to use it) and because it's a sequel and not the original

>> No.6115230

>>6101647
>walking simulator
Did you only play Tooie

>> No.6115620

Although a ground breaking game for it's time the camera is absolutely retarded and whoever says the opposite is a Ninty cumslut. N64 was an ok console, and gave one of my favourite game titles (Mario Party). It is definitely worse than Gamecube where if Nintendo wasn't all in "muh piracy" shit with their retarded mini dvds they would have a legitimate Playstation killer.

To recap: Mario 64 = Retarded camera
N64 = Okish
GameCube > n64

>> No.6116002

>>6101647
Nah nah nah Banjo 1/2 is infinitely better than Mario 64

>> No.6116038

>>6101831
I was going to say that, that triad is top tier, probably because they had plenty of time To get things right. Mario kart and the zeldas are also up there, but after those... no game really was that good or offered much replay value.

>> No.6116047

>>6107908
Indeed, playing in 2020 and it still holds up.The only bad thing about the game is that it has very few levels.

>> No.6116201

>>6115620
>To recap: Mario 64 = Retarded camera

You just use the C-Buttons to change the view?

>> No.6116205

>this thread again
I can't wait for 6th gen to be legal

>> No.6116234

>>6116201
it's not as precise as sunshine, using presets in lieu of full 3d

>> No.6116421

>>6101653
The controls are great, and the camera is only bothersome at a few occasions.

>> No.6116429

>>6101665
Pretty much correct.

>>6101674
He could be a Sega fag. Also the PS1 had a much better library.

>> No.6116438

>>6101723
>>6101691
Autistic posts.

>> No.6116443

>>6101898
It's a flaw, but just in one spot, and it isn't ultimately that hard to deal with?

>> No.6116448

>>6116234
>Presets
Nigger, play the fucking games you try and talk about.

>> No.6116449

>>6103059
Glad you like it, but why do you dislike other Mario games? I think they're pretty fun.
I can understand an anti-Nintendo sentiment.

>> No.6116453

>>6116205
No need, there should be a Mega Drive or Saturn sucks thread coming around the corner..

>> No.6116463

>>6106817
>pretty much boring roaming throughout repetitive early badly aged 3D areas abound or around the castle.
Did you miss the snow levels, desert level, fire levels, water levels, cave level, haunted house level, mountain levels, the multiple set level where you could be tiny, normal sized, or absolutely huge (and this changed enemies and platforming), and the clock level where how the platforms would behave based on where the hands of the clock were when you entered?
Did you actually play the game at all?

>> No.6116474

>>6107029
>press either of these contextual buttons if necessary
>thinks him jokingly calling this a step by step guide was earnest and actually interpreted it as a guide
He was right to mock your intellect.

>>6108129
Good to see you use a tripcode so you can be filtered.

>>6114731
Are you playing it with an original controller? The analog sticks could wear out pretty badly, but when new they have pretty amazing precision, going slow shouldn't be too hard.

>> No.6116497

>>6116448
play game
button presses shift camera to certain degrees
am right
sunshine has fully rotatable camera

>> No.6118046

>>6113569
>>6113569
>>6113569
bumping

>> No.6118048

>>6101647
>How did they get away with it?
>looks at hardware sales
they clearly didn't

>> No.6118093

>>6101647
3D platformers are shit, and SM64 is no exception. It was novel because it was 3D and a playground for new mechanics, but 2D Mario is objectively better, as are other 3D games with more precise controls like OOT and Tomb Raider.

>> No.6118143

>>6108129
>>6118093
Put your trip back on.

>> No.6118186

>>6101864
Mario 64 is the Wii Sports and 1-2 Switch of the Nintendo 64.

>> No.6120027

>>6118093
I see this post, and I try to read it, but all that comes across is GLUK GLUK GLUK GLUK GLUK

>> No.6120373

>>6118046
>>6113569
>>6118046
pls

>> No.6121853

>>6101647
If by best you mean best selling then yes, not kidding the fact that Mario 64 is the N64's best selling game is both hilarious and fucked up.

>> No.6122106

>>6118093
>Tomb Raider.
K. Euro.

>> No.6122186

>>6101698
Banjo isn't as good as M64 in even a single aspect.

>> No.6122223

Constantly making these threads isnt going to make Mario 64 a bad game.