How good is this? People are talking about it like it does the normie 8 and 16 bit consoles as good as the original plus a whole lot of "perfect" arcade cores but it sounds almost too good to be true.

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Anonymous Fri Dec 27 18:07:40 2019 No.6097284 [Reply] [Original]

How good is this? People are talking about it like it does the normie 8 and 16 bit consoles as good as the original plus a whole lot of "perfect" arcade cores but it sounds almost too good to be true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 18:33:02 2019 No.6097325 ITS MA'AM

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 18:36:20 2019 No.6097329 so much better than 100% cycle accurate software emulation. you might not be able to tell the difference, but an experienced retro gamer such as myself can.

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:23:53 2019 No.6097424

>>6097284
That all depends on what you're looking for. It doesn't emulate anything "as good as" the original. It's better than software emulation in many ways. It's also better than original hardware in many ways. It's also worse than either in many other ways. If you don't already understand this you should just stick with software emulation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:25:12 2019 No.6097428 >>6097284 >pic related Damn, look at all that I/O. I hear very good things about these.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:32:43 2019 No.6097441 That fat fuck smokedhammonster is shilling this any and everywhere he can right now so it’s all anyone’s talking about regarding retro games. It’s just an emulator in a box, no more or less interesting than any that have come before it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:35:22 2019 No.6097451 >>6097441 Somebody needs a hug

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:39:53 2019 No.6097463 >>6097451 How are you not tired of hearing this fuck drone on about “cores” and other retarded shit at this point

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:50:21 2019 No.6097478 >>6097463 I'm interested in proper, evolving emulation. It seems like the guys doing this are doing a good job. What is the issue here besides you whining about someone on Youtube?

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 19:58:27 2019 No.6097490

>>6097478
Because it’s being made out to be this revelatory, magical thing when it’s not. It’s not doing anything that hasn’t been done before. Do you get excited when McDonald’s adds a “new” cheeseburger to their menu that’s just a different configuration of the same 6 ingredients they use on every other burger?

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 20:16:30 2019 No.6097515

>>6097284
It certainly seems exciting but emulation simply can not beat the real deal for me. Not even knowing it's "cycle-accurate" or "hardware-emulation".
The price tag is what really keeps me from getting it. I'm not much into emulation but if I wanted to play something, I'd go with software emulation.
Now, if MiSTer could emulate things CYCLE-ACCURATELY that software-emu couldn't, like N64 or Saturn (yes, we still can not perfectly emulate those consoles and their respective games as in: emulate the experience one would have when using the real console), that would be a different matter.
So while it's exciting, there's no reason for me to spend so much money on something that I can't do with my PC.
If Arcade emulation was perfected I would consider MiSTer for a homemade arcade cab, if I ever chose to build one!

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 20:28:39 2019 No.6097542

>>6097490
If it's superior to software emulation and lets me play games that I can't afford to own physically with no lag (via the vga port on a crt) I would argue that's a pretty big deal. You sound like you just hate emulation. Also how is smolemonster fat? You're thinking about his homie Bob.

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 20:35:34 2019 No.6097556

As an arcadefag, I'm getting more and more interested in MiSTer after learning about some cores run more accurately than in Mame, namely Ghosts & Goblins.
Apparently the Genesis core has surpassed the Mega SG in terms of accuracy since Analogue consoles only get updates for at least it's first year on the market, if even that, before they skid to a halt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 20:37:21 2019 No.6097560 >>6097490 I don't know how to respond to you, anon. It sounds like you got coal in your Christmas stocking and you found out your GF has been letting the football team run a train on her. I just think this thing looks cool, simple.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 21:33:36 2019 No.6097627 I have one

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 21:37:02 2019 No.6097630 >>6097542 >no lag Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 22:15:04 2019 No.6097685 >>6097428 >Damn, look at all that I/O >a fraction of what many systems it emulates have That's the main reason I don't have one. Without that massive amount of I/O it's missing it's just a slightly better, much more expensive, emulator.

Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:00:13 2019 No.6097746

I'm not sure consumer/hobbyist grade FPGAs are ready for anything beyond sega genesis or something yet, but it is promising. I think there is still plenty of room for error if someone fucks up the verilog design of the 'core', but generally speaking this is an advancement. As FPGA technology continues to improve and become cheaper I'd like to think that one day everyone will have an FPGA card in their PC similar to to how they have a GPU now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:01:29 2019 No.6097748 >>6097284 depends of the core, I laught at every retard that says: this "is not emulation" every damn core I have tried have glitched and errors (Like and emulator)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:02:39 2019 No.6097749 >>6097325 amazing lukas?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:03:42 2019 No.6097751 >>6097515 and it never will, the fpga doesn't have and never will have the horse power to emulate n64 and saturn!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:05:09 2019 No.6097753 >>6097630 Prove it, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:05:12 2019 No.6097754 retropifags will never not seeth at the mister

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:09:17 2019 No.6097758 >>6097560 Are you still guys still hiring? How do I get a job shilling dumb consumer electronics on 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:09:30 2019 No.6097759 >>6097754 >RetroPie >MiSTer Why not just use a PC? And if for whatever reason you require a CRT for retro gameplay why would you settle for any kind of emulation over the actual hardware?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 23:11:05 2019 No.6097760 >>6097754 stop crying mike chi "the retrotink ultimate" didnt sell well because of the mister boohoo, "I'm crying! I will not sell any more!

>>	Father Electronics Couture Fri Dec 27 23:38:26 2019 No.6097789 They really need to get a handheld package out to make clear the advantages of low power consumption high accuracy emulation/"simulation"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 01:11:59 2019 No.6097902 >>6097759 mister should have more cycle accurate emulation + less input lag

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 01:53:39 2019 No.6097935 >>6097746 So what do you think about the analogue nt? People here regularly suck it's cock and it has a cheap ass FPGA a fractional as powerful/expensive as the one used in MiSTer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 02:25:45 2019 No.6097964 >>6097441 >It’s just an emulator in a box Oh boy, here we go again..

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 05:40:28 2019 No.6098085 >>6097329 >100% cycle accurate software emulation lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 05:42:17 2019 No.6098087 I swear every MiSTer thread I've seen eventually devolves into arguing over whether or not it's emulation and it's fucking irritating

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 05:44:54 2019 No.6098090 >>6097760 he's selling pretty solid products for use on real hardware now, and it appears to be a rather successful venture. What a bizarre thing to project.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 05:45:57 2019 No.6098091 >>6098087 /vr/ is genuinely incapable of discussing FPGAs; it's like trying to start a thread about Apple on /g/.

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 12:25:15 2019 No.6098515

>>6098091
The problem here is that talking about Apple is worthless. The MISTer is a good device with time and effort being poured into it and outputting a really really good experience. Worth looking into if you arent going to drop hundreds on consoles, games, or flashcarts.

The main issue with /vr/ is that somewhere along the way the term "emulation" became a meme. And then retards latched on to that. Some people troll but you can see people being earnestly stupid about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 13:48:46 2019 No.6098616 >>6097746 I've been impressed with the NeoGeo support on it and the price is far more appealing.

Father Electronics Couture Sat Dec 28 14:08:48 2019 No.6098647

>>6098085
It exists up to the 4th gen level. Basically right neck and neck with FPGA in no small part because the FPGA cores are derived from the cycle accurate emulators. If the high accuracy emulator authors and the fpga coders could actually work together its possible that cycle accurate emulation for 5th gen consoles could be developed for FPGA before PC but I don't think that's going to happen. There needs to be a new breed of author that grows up coding specifically for fpga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 14:35:05 2019 No.6098686 >>6097556 Yeah, I was on the fence about picking up a Mega SG, but after discovering MiSTer I don't really see the point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 14:43:55 2019 No.6098701 >>6098087 It wouldn’t be a problem if everyone would stop playing the semantics game and just call it what it is; emulation.

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 15:43:05 2019 No.6098797

>>6097751
>the fpga doesn't have and never will have the horse power to emulate n64 and saturn
Yes it will have the power, it's only a matter of time.
The problem with the N64 and especially the Saturn is that they're ridiculously complicated pieces of hardware, it doesn't have much to do with power.

This is why you'll probably sooner see PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube FPGAs than N64 or Saturn.

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 15:44:23 2019 No.6098804

>>6098647
>If the high accuracy emulator authors and the fpga coders could actually work together its possible that cycle accurate emulation for 5th gen consoles could be developed for FPGA before PC but I don't think that's going to happen.
There already exists a project for PS1 at the GATE level iirc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 15:45:52 2019 No.6098805 >>6097441 The new video is about to go live peeps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 15:56:18 2019 No.6098823 >>6097542 >Also how is smolemonster fat? Uhh have you seen him? His face is fat as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 16:13:55 2019 No.6098856 File: 8 KB, 330x290, 1550299139733.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/SmokeMonsterTWI/status/1211017606502551553 As a 7800 fan, this is exciting news

>>	Father Electronics Couture Sat Dec 28 16:13:56 2019 No.6098857 >>6098804 That makes sense considering PS1 is the simplest 5th green platform by far. I would love to see it realized to since PS1 is a close tie for my all time favorite console (with NES)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 16:15:28 2019 No.6098860 whats the deal with the smokemonster everdrive packs? Does he really expect every single person to patch every romhack or does he actually release rompacks?

Father Electronics Couture Sat Dec 28 16:19:36 2019 No.6098870

>>6098860
All it takes is one person who wants to contribute to the community. It sounds like you know what's going on so why shouldn't it be you this time? For fuck sakes the village is so global it only needs the slightest monicum of effort once in a great while from everyone. Earn your keep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 16:25:11 2019 No.6098887 >>6098870 someone released packs before and it pissed smokemonster off to the point where he said he was going to stop.

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 19:41:43 2019 No.6099215
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>>6098797
>This is why you'll probably sooner see PS2... FPGAs than N64 or Saturn.
Wasn't PS2 considered one of the most complicated console architectures until Sony went even further into insanity with PS Triple?

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:04:19 2019 No.6099345

>>6098797
Even if FPGAs get more powerful in the future, programming complex systems like N64 or Saturn will still be literal hell, even offloading instructions to FPGA is a pain.

>>6099215
I don't know about the PS3 arch but yeah, PS2 arch is turbotarded. Nothing translates well into i686 or x64 and that's why pcsx2 runs like ass and relies on soft hacks for anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:04:41 2019 No.6099346 >>6098805 Thanks for the update fatso.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:21:32 2019 No.6099369 >>6097284 FPGAs realistically can recreate the original consoles completely with no inherent added input lag. The idea of perfect replication of consoles up to fourth gen is here and no longer a larp by idiots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 21:27:53 2019 No.6099379 >>6097284 >How good is this? It'll make the Gundam unstoppable.

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:13:40 2019 No.6099441

>>6098091
/vr/ is incapable of discussing many things but things requiring technical knowledge are the worst. Newfags have no concept of lurking and a addicted to (You)s. It's not just /vr/. The entire internet is infested with this cancer. But it's a shame because /vr/ actually used to be good.

>>6098797
>Yes it will have the power, it's only a matter of time.
Yes. That FPGA on your DE-10 board is going to grow up into a big strong FPGA some day. Just make sure you water it frequently and give it lots of sunshine. You're literally fucking retarded. inb4 b-b-but what i meant.

>>6099369
>completely
No they can't. All consoles had analog components that can't be recreated in an FPGA. You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. And in some cases the analog bits are so difficult to emulate accurately using digital logic that the difference is clearly visible, or audible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 00:11:07 2019 No.6099591 >>6099441 I hope you can find something fulfilling in your life, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 00:39:09 2019 No.6099624 >>6099591 >i hope projecting makes me feel less empty inside because i haven't found anything fulfilling in my life

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 01:10:59 2019 No.6099650 File: 59 KB, 800x600, 60207825_677212542717496_5018504629214773248_n-800x600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So do I buy a MISter or what? Is it bad emulation or simulation or makes me fay or what

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 01:13:38 2019 No.6099652 File: 59 KB, 800x600, 60207825_677212542717496_5018504629214773248_n-800x600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So do I buy a MISter or what? Is it bad emulation or a bad simulation or makes me gay or what

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 01:22:20 2019 No.6099657 >>6097753 Don't need to. You hardware emulation cucks sure are cringe and blue pilled though.

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 02:50:26 2019 No.6099736

>>6099652
you need to be ready to spend a lot of time and effort into getting it going with each core. If you want to play games just do that. If you want to invest in the next evolution hardware emulation device where a lot of the fun comes from tinkering and adding hardware to it

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 03:19:47 2019 No.6099767

People keep saying FPGAs don't have the power to do x console. Retro consoles have pretty low clock rates, so I don't think that can be it. I'm looking at FPGAs that have more logic elements than the N64 has transistors. It seems like the "power" is there. Do the chip spec sheets not give enough info to write a HDL that defines the console?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 03:40:53 2019 No.6099776 >>6099767 Emulating a 3D console accurately requires at least 10x as much CPU power as was in the original system. Just look at how slow higan is on a Core i3. Now apply that to 3D emulation on hardware that's even less powerful than an i3.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 04:13:51 2019 No.6099810 >>6099767 >Do the chip spec sheets not give enough info to write a HDL that defines the console? No. Not even close. >>6099776 >source: my underage ass

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 06:26:01 2019 No.6099927 >>6099657 Did an fpga touch you inappropriately when you were a child or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 06:43:08 2019 No.6099945 >>6097760 it's okay, bob will drink my cummies to make me feel better. -m

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 07:00:05 2019 No.6099958 >>6099805 >It's not emulation >FPGA It IS emulation. It's just hardware (or closer to hardware) emulation not software emulation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 11:04:48 2019 No.6100195 >>6098887 His packs are pretty obnoxiously organized, so I certainly wouldn't be mad. Every ROM pack I've ever downloaded I've needed to completely edit by hand to make even remotely usable on a flashcart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 11:07:12 2019 No.6100201 >>6099805 Unless you're using a Playchoice-10 PPU or a SHARP Titler or something, all modern RGB mods for the NES are FPGA based. Might as well buy an AVS for the same price since the experience is the same in the end.

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 16:51:21 2019 No.6100801

>>6100195
His rom packs are great for flashcarts. What makes them obnoxious is that roms are duplicated all over the place. But if you have the space, having top ten lists per magazine and other weird categories is pretty neat.

What makes his packs great are the translations, romhacks, prototypes, and the info that tells you whether or not they work on the flashcart. But I'm not going to sit around and patch hundreds of romhacks let alone downloading the patches one by one. I figured his script would help patch things but the script won't even organize your roms if the naming scheme isnt the one he uses.

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 17:35:59 2019 No.6100863

I was debating getting one to go with my Super NT to run all the consoles I don't really have a ton of games/nostalgia for, but I think I'm gonna wait and see how the Analogue Pocket does first now. I spend a lot more time with my handheld consoles and the user-programmable fpga might just solve the whole problem in one go.

Anonymous Sun Dec 29 22:28:10 2019 No.6101360

>>6099945
>>6098090
mike chi is a crying faggot!
boohoo, "I'm crying! the mister cuts my sales!
I will not sell any more! boohoo!

https://www.retrorgb.com/retrotink-ultimate-eol-update.html

https://www.retrotink.com/blog/retrotink-ultimate-where-is-it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 22:29:59 2019 No.6101365 >>6100863 the cores are full of bugs and glitches, at this point just use your damn pc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dibLXWdX5-M

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 00:03:37 2019 No.6101493

>>6099736
That's really not true for any of the console cores.
For most you literally just set up the sd card with the tool, put some roms into the console-specific folder and you're good to go. Granted, some cored like gba and gb/c will need a bios rom but that's really no different to putting a normal game rom on your sd card.
The arcade and computer cores will need some setup work but even that is doable for anyone with a bit of time

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 00:57:38 2019 No.6101552

>>6101365
Ah that's a shame. I was hoping it would be a solution for easy hookup since my HDTV doesn't play nice with the weird refresh rates of older consoles. I'll still keep an eye on the Pocket just for the portability but that's good to know at least.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 07:21:08 2019 No.6101943

>>6097556
Are you sure about the accuracy? The last video I watched about the thing had a guy gushing over the accuracy while in the background demo mode Arthur was banging into walls and jumping at nothing the way old school ZSNES games did.
Don't get me wrong, I want FPGA to succeed, but I feel people are getting ahead of themselves about accuracy.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 08:23:45 2019 No.6102006

>>6101552
Don't listen to >>6101365 gamesack's review is wildly outdated. The mister is great, but it's a bit pricey considering. I bought one because I wanted something I could easily take to a friends house and play on their tv whilst also being able to use the thing on my 20"pvm to play things like NES in RGB without buying an AV Fami and spending cash on equipment, modding it, cables etc.

If you can justify the purchase it by getting some actual use out of it instead of it just sitting in a cupboard like a raspberry pi than yeah, it's worth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:15:35 2019 No.6102080 >>6099776 That's for software emulation, arguably the big thing HW has over it is that it doesn't need to be significantly more powerful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 09:33:54 2019 No.6102108 >>6101360 It really sounds like he's praising the MiSTer in that link. I come back to 4chan every once in a while from the real world and realize how maladjusted some of you are. You read only negative emotion into absolutely everything.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:16:01 2019 No.6103047

>>6097284
Mine just arrived a couple days ago. I have to say, I'm impressed as fuck. My i/o board isn't here yet, but playing hdmi on a plasma screen and lag is pretty much non existent. I went in skeptical, especially with it being a "modern" display, but it's fucking good. I can't play on rpi because of the lag, but this is honestly very good, should be pretty much like original console once I get the i/o for analog video out.

I was able to do the timed hits in mother 3, and a few sections I test lag in in various games worked well. My wife used to play astro warrior on sms growing up, it's her go to game so she still kept the skill and memorization, she instantly can tell lag on this game, and was able to play it saying it didn't feel like there was any lag.

Neogeo core has made me sell my consolized mvs, megacd core caused me to sell my sega cd and games. For not being original hardware, this thing is fucking good, no normal laggy shit you come to expect in software emulation. I think this thing is going to help me get over hoarding plastic too. Earthbound is up for sale next.

Setting up controllers is easy AF too, I've used an xbox360 controller, switch wired controller, genesis mini, pokken, playstation mini, and sega saturn 2.4ghz. Ordered a wii to usb adapter so I can use nes/snes classic as well as the wii pro controllers. There are adapters to use original hardware too, going down that rabbit hole soon.

Playing portable consoles on this thing is god tier. I'm glad I didn't lcd/vga mod my gamegear because that thing is being sold asap, gameboy, gbc and the non retro gba all play well. Arcade cores feel great, I have a real joust cabinet and this thing is dead on other than missing the williams leaf switches on the control panel. I do have some spare leaf's, I may end up making a two button panel for it.

Setup is easy, just follow the wiki tutorial, had this thing updating itself with scripts in minutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:30:49 2019 No.6103082 >>6101360 I really don't understand what your deal is, who gives a shit? Guy makes a few cool new products and discontinues the ones that aren't selling anymore, no shit.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 19:35:20 2019 No.6103089

>>6099441
>You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
Try again larper, I studied electrical engineering in college including FPGAs which I used in a major project. "analogue bits" don't make me laugh, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Anonymous Mon Dec 30 20:29:13 2019 No.6103205

>>6097284
What is this, and can I use it to play old PC games? I was just thinking it would be cool if someone made reproduction PC hardware, or something compatible... Kinda like a retro machine for PC games. Mini tower with more efficient cooling etc...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 21:19:29 2019 No.6103278 >>6103047 Sounds great. I would love to buy it but import anything fragile to here is a nightmare, and costly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 22:43:16 2019 No.6103415 >>6103089 >projecting >larping You're not fooling anyone kiddo

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 00:02:00 2019 No.6103552 >>6103047 neo geo cd?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 00:47:37 2019 No.6103629 >>6103047 I just ordered mine, should be here in a couple days. Are you parting away with all your games or just certain stuff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 01:41:36 2019 No.6103715 >>6099441 >analog components Like what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 02:54:29 2019 No.6103830 >>6103205 it is actually extremely hard to emulate x86, it's way beyond capabilities of consumer grade FPGA

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 03:01:56 2019 No.6103840 Mine's great, I love it

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 03:51:51 2019 No.6103921

>>6103715
Like everything that's not digital? Have you never looked inside a console? Or the back? Where's the HDMI port on your 2600? There's a reason MiSTer is built around a set of boards and isn't just an FPGA with a bunch of connectors. Take something as simple as a single analog input on the 2600 controller port. How do you propose to get that information into your FPGA without an analog component? Your USB mouse isn't "completely recreating" anything. I could list dozens more examples. Of course there's always the "b-b-but it's close enough", "b-b-but i can't tell the difference"and all that other bullshit but that's irrelevant. The claim was "FPGAs realistically can recreate the original consoles completely with no inherent added input lag". Which is complete and utter bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 03:54:12 2019 No.6103924 >>6097325 OBSESSED

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 04:26:45 2019 No.6103946

I've heard that it works really well for amiga and its good for old arcade games. Some of the other systems need a bit more work.

I will get one eventually but the io situation seems like a bit of a mess, it seems like it is mostly intended for hdmi with analog being an after thought. I just want to connect it to my crt using wired controllers without having to piss around with aspect ratios and scalers or converters. I think they will bring out something thats makes it all work nicely. I already have sega, nes, pce, neo, amiga etc hardware.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 07:04:34 2019 No.6104093

>>6103921
I don't really get your position here. The FPGA is to recreate the hardware at the gate level if possible and that it does theoretically perfectly if someone can describe the hardware accurately enough. If you desire original analog paddle controller input then you add hardware that takes the varying voltage, or resistance and encodes that digitally, ideally identically to the ADC step the 2600 did.
Adding that stuff is trivial. Recreating an authentic NMOS fab to create a real 2600 is effectively impossible for all but the richest of the rich.
So why are you asserting that because the FPGA only board can't be a perfect I/O recreation of a console in its factory default configuration we should just give up on the whole notion and go real hardware all the way?

And let's face it, the problem with analog components is that response curves varied considerably between parts manufactured at different times of the year as it is. If "accuracy" is your goal, a static digital variant is more useful to long term preservation that a few thousands working examples that all differ in some way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 15:01:53 2019 No.6105026 Smolemonster video on the NEO GEO core premiering rn

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 15:22:30 2019 No.6105065 File: 117 KB, 635x390, detail.c6865e8e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6098823 He does look like a big boi but he also seems to have that Robert Z'Dar jaw.

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 19:54:06 2019 No.6105664

>>6104093
You don't get my "position" because my "position" is just facts that contradict the dogma of deluded FPGA fanbois. As I said, there's always "b-b-buts" with your kind and all they do is prove that your wrong. You wouldn't need "b-b-buts" otherwise. The claim was:
>FPGAs realistically can recreate the original consoles completely with no inherent added input lag
This has been demonstrated to be false, and you admit it. But you just have to "b-b-but" and straw man and make a fool of yourself. You just have to scratch that fanboi itch. I'm not "asserting" anything other than simple facts. But we may have a new fact to add here. Is it a universal truth that FPGA threads always go to shit because of fanbois?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 31 22:28:28 2019 No.6105921 >>6102006 my damn god man bashing gamesack! the guy is unbiased! how more ass licking you can get?

Anonymous Tue Dec 31 22:34:03 2019 No.6105928

>>6102108
>praising
the mister literally, almost makes the guy go out of business!
one of his best selling products retrotink ultimate, have to be taken out of production because of the mister!
his second product the 2x have been cloned! now he is selling, some shit cables,per console, at this point just buy the cloned 2x whats the point really!
mike chi business is indeed in deep shit!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 01:39:59 2020 No.6106149 Does anyone here know of any good tutorials that show me how to make my own mister? Besides the DE-10, what other parts would I need?

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 03:22:19 2020 No.6106347

>>6106149
You can run alot of cores with just the board alone but I would recommend getting the RAM module to go with it so you can play them all and getting the I/O board too with a heatsink for an extra SD card slot and sweet rgb through vga. And an usb hub.There's a good yt tutorial by porkchop express for assembly and mister has a github page with lots and lots of information and tutorials.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 05:05:42 2020 No.6106434 >>6106347 lol thats like $600 >>6106149 just get a cheap pc, and quit the crap! DE10-nano board, SDRAM board , I/O board ,RTC board, USB hub board

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 05:15:07 2020 No.6106437 >>6097284 bugs, problems and glitches http://www.atari-forum.com/viewforum.php?f=117 No core supports save states similar to those offered by software emulators.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 05:27:46 2020 No.6106450 >>6097284 IS NOT EMULATION! see all this shit...... http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=31926&start=525

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 07:28:31 2020 No.6106549 >>6106434 600? Lolwhut, thought it was between 400 - 450. But like I said if you just want certain cores and play hdmi you can just buy the main board for 120 euroshekels (plus shipping).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 07:53:17 2020 No.6106567 >>6105928 i finally know who you are, you're one of those kaico chinks aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 11:36:50 2020 No.6106779 File: 43 KB, 630x349, Lazy retard.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6097329 mister BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okoVZCnBod8

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:03:15 2020 No.6106826 >>6106779 >>6098823 Now THAT'S a big boi, also wtf Clint I thought you were okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 12:47:48 2020 No.6106918 >>6106149 >how to make my own mister: >buy parts >plug in What parts you need depends entirely on what you want to do. What do you want to do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 18:16:09 2020 No.6107504 >>6106434 RTC board is unnecessary spending. You can grab time information from the internet using cable connection or a cheap wifi dongle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 18:41:20 2020 No.6107584 >>6106437 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4whcgcgz6k

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 18:54:12 2020 No.6107610 So the conclusion is people questioning FPGAs are just gatekeeping, awesome.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 20:51:08 2020 No.6107784 >>6107610 yup is 2009 all again "IS NOT EMULATION" http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=31926&sid=94ab58a5c4193e33682df7dba0136317&start=550

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 20:52:43 2020 No.6107786 >>6107584 LOL! keep crying! fear it must be implemented for each core seperatly from someone who really knows how the core works. So yes, it could come, but is not for free, it requires quiet a bit of work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 21:20:57 2020 No.6107821 >>6107786 So does everything involving emulation. What’s your point?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:05:00 2020 No.6107950 >>6107610 >cope

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:11:25 2020 No.6107958

>>6107821
That's the selling point of this piece of garbage!
BETTER THAN EMULATON!
BETTER THAN THE CONSOLE!
OH MAH Latency!
FPGA MAGIC!
Every emulation at this day have better compatibility, less glitches and errors, that this crap, you can emulate up to 7th gen consoles on your pc!
you want to play on some old ass crt monitor? just use your pc!
BUTH MAH INPUT LAG!
Use run ahead mode!

this crap, is as bad as emulators more than 10 years ago, and the profs are right here!

http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=31926&sid=94ab58a5c4193e33682df7dba0136317&start=550

you people are just blind!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:54:08 2020 No.6108006 Given the cost of consoles and flash carts, aren't you better off with a mister? You can still play on a crt and at least it's better than a pi.

Anonymous Wed Jan 1 23:55:51 2020 No.6108010

>>6097284
FROM KEVTRIS ;')
I've spent most of the past year on the Classic Gaming discord and I gotta say the whole MiSTer community there is a snake pit. When they're not all fighting among themselves or having a one-sided argument with sorg!

Due to the single SDRAM nature of the Mister development environment, it makes cycle accuracy impossible or very difficult on many of their later cores, like SA-1 and Superfx for the SNES, the GBA core, and possibly others. When I have said in the past that something couldn't easily be done, I meant in a cycle accurate way. Sure, you can make it work if you don't care so much about cycle accuracy, but that is an affront to my whole FPGA mantra of accuracy. "yeah but it runs the games!" Sure. But at that point, you might as well be running a Raspberry pi and an emulator if all you care about is running games.

https://atariage.com/forums/topic/242970-fpga-based-videogame-system/page/582/#comments

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 01:33:51 2020 No.6108148 >>6108010 Kevtris can go suck a fat one. Looks like a fag, talks like a fag, is a fag. Just look at the dude. He's severely autistic and is being used by Analogue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 01:47:23 2020 No.6108161 File: 18 KB, 412x293, 1577822177637.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6108148 >Someone in the retro community ripping on someone for his appearance and being autistic

Anonymous Thu Jan 2 02:12:34 2020 No.6108178
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>>6108010
>Kevtris
I since stopped caring about him when he canceled his Zimba 3000 project and sold out to Analogue, fuck him.
I'm so goddamn tired of the retro community sucking his cock when he'll never contribute his shit to MiSTer in favor of a company who is milking retro gamers with individual pricey consoles that stop receiving updates shortly after release

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 03:12:25 2020 No.6108212 >>6108010 Damn! And from the FPGAfags lord and savior to boot. No wonder there's so much assmad seething ITT.

>>	Kevtris !2JjgrU6PA. Thu Jan 2 04:00:09 2020 No.6108251 >>6097284 is not cycle accuracy, if you just want to play games get and emulator or a raspi3b+ ;')

>>	Kevtris !2JjgrU6PA. Thu Jan 2 04:04:17 2020 No.6108256 >>6108178 Imagine to get paid for years of hard work, he didn't release it for free! what a monster!

>>	Kevtris !2JjgrU6PA. Thu Jan 2 04:11:33 2020 No.6108259 >>6108161 >>6108148 Lol you are right on this one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbJHh0SNpow now look at this two horrendous motherfuckers hahahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLmIKw5wyg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 23:40:26 2020 No.6109706 >>6108259 Nice man-boobs, faggot. You deserve whatever disease or mental problems you're getting,

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 23:42:09 2020 No.6109708 >>6097284 Looks like a mess. I'll stick to my PC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 2 23:43:39 2020 No.6109710 But does it emulate the electrons?

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 01:55:41 2020 No.6109863

>>6097284
I've a question about FPGA cores accuracy.

I mean: without that, an FPGA core is not different from any RPi.

Now, we know Kevtriss's stuff is accurate (I own both MegaSG and SuperNT), but is it the same for all MisTer cores? In which measure? Is there any reliable source or a % status of the cores completion?
I ask with no malice, it's just to understand if I can put my NeoGeo MVS and games in storage and replace it safely with Furrtek's core on MisTer. What about T.O.'s MegaSD-Sega CD vs MisTer Sega CD vs actual SegaCD?

Is MisTer PCE core cycle accurate? NES? T.O.'s Super SD System 3 ?
On a final note: I really hope Kevtriss will work, in the future, on some arcade cores (Sega boards, Taito boards, CPS1/2/3 and pre-1994 2d stuff in general): that stuff is REALLY expansive, bulky to manage etc..., so I think it will benefit a lot from some FPGA love.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 06:52:42 2020 No.6110103

>>6109863
>Is there an objective way to measure quality/accuracy of sepperate cores?
I don't think there is sadly, that's my main problem with justifying the money to buy one of these things. All I get from reviewers is "it looks and FEELS just like the actual thing! Trust me I played game X a ton when I was younger!!".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 11:14:24 2020 No.6110313 >>6109863 A CPU is told what to do. A FPGA is told what to BE. Either approach is fine. Pick your poison.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 16:47:06 2020 No.6111000 >>6109710 If Super NT emulates the way electrons move through the reality, why wouldn't MiSTer do the same?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 17:11:01 2020 No.6111036 This is the gold plated hdmi cords of emulation boxes. Ie bait for tech illiterate fools with cash to burn. You keep justifying that purchase to yourself friend.

Anonymous Fri Jan 3 21:29:00 2020 No.6111462

>>6109863
Even a bad core is better than a memeberry. The key difference with an FPGA is that the core can improve over time and theoretically eventually perfectly emulate the original hardware. Emulating on a pi has inherent limitations that mean it's hobbled from the start.
There are bugs and inaccuracies in many of the cores. The hardware, as it is now, is fundamentally incapable of doing cycle accurate emulation of many things. Many systems the hardware might be capable of handling aren't because the cores aren't there yet. But cores are updated all the time and may move in one direction or another. For example, someone might make a more accurate 68k core and that can now be integrated into other projects. Or someone might decide they want to play more mario games and sacrifice accuracy for compatibility in another. If you need more detailed information you'll need to do some reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 3 21:51:57 2020 No.6111486 Where do I buy one? what parts are recommended?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 01:44:04 2020 No.6111717 >>6097325 Does your uncle works at Nintendo too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 02:57:44 2020 No.6111810 >>6111462 >For example, someone might make a more accurate 68k core and that can now be integrated into other projects. Old news, there's a FPGA implementation that's cycle exact to 68000.

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 09:56:53 2020 No.6112174

>>6111462
I wonder where this idea that an fpga board can do anything given enough time. It's not a self learning duper computer and there are physical limits to what every chip can do.

>bbbbbbbbbut in the future !!!

In the future I could be playing cycle accurate ps3 games on my quantum pi for all we know lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 11:37:16 2020 No.6112276 >>6097284 Whenever I hear about this device, I keep thinking of the phrase "Gee Mister". They should have named it something else. But I don't need this because my PC is a better emulator box.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 18:18:04 2020 No.6112874 >>6111810 Which is why it's such a great example. >>6112174 Probably from memeberry fanbois who can't even form a coherent strawman

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 19:00:50 2020 No.6112927 >>6112874 >http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=31926&sid=94ab58a5c4193e33682df7dba0136317&start=550

Anonymous Sat Jan 4 20:18:53 2020 No.6113002

>>6101360
he doesn't sound anywhere near as ass blasted as you do. face it - memepi was just a phase and now better solutions exist. there's no reason to make & support a device people with actual money won't buy. sure, mister costs more, but if the people with money wanted to settle for a memepi with addons, they'd be selling and they're not. end of story. whinny bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 20:27:23 2020 No.6113015 >>6113002 stop crying mike chi also this cable here, is the one that cut your sales! the mister was just the final nail in your coffin! http://www.rgb-pi.com/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 20:29:58 2020 No.6113016 >>6108161 Sorry. I have heterosexual relationships and hide my power levels, so as to not be associated with the genetic defects that make up 'the community'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 22:48:55 2020 No.6113182 >>6112927 You replied to the wrong post sport

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 23:29:12 2020 No.6113226 For me, it’s a pi. It just works. And it makes people mad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 4 23:58:18 2020 No.6113262 >>6113226 I don't know anything about a pi but if it can run the cycle accurate emulators at full speed it is a smaller much cheaper version of the mister

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 00:54:21 2020 No.6113315

>>6113262
daily reminder

FROM KEVTRIS ;')
I've spent most of the past year on the Classic Gaming discord and I gotta say the whole MiSTer community there is a snake pit. When they're not all fighting among themselves or having a one-sided argument with sorg!

Due to the single SDRAM nature of the Mister development environment, it makes cycle accuracy impossible or very difficult on many of their later cores, like SA-1 and Superfx for the SNES, the GBA core, and possibly others. When I have said in the past that something couldn't easily be done, I meant in a cycle accurate way. Sure, you can make it work if you don't care so much about cycle accuracy, but that is an affront to my whole FPGA mantra of accuracy. "yeah but it runs the games!" Sure. But at that point, you might as well be running a Raspberry pi and an emulator if all you care about is running games.

https://atariage.com/forums/topic/242970-fpga-based-videogame-system/page/582/#comments

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 03:35:10 2020 No.6113470 Why does booting an SMS game hang on Sega logo? Am I retarded? Genesis is working fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 03:37:22 2020 No.6113473 >>6113315 If you're not going to contribute, then fuck off, Jewtris.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 04:39:12 2020 No.6113520 >>6113473 >SEETHING

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 05:53:24 2020 No.6113586
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>>6112874
He is right though. Even if you don't care about the limitations because the device works for you and your needs, they are still there. The main limiting factor on it in my opinion is the FPGA's block RAM amount. So even if it can emulate a lot of stuff, I would find something like the N64 in the fifth generation almost impossible because the amount of cache you need to emulate the system along with all the registers could exceed the ~5.5MB cache it has, and it would be a tight fit. See picture for what the limits are roughly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 06:00:39 2020 No.6113596 File: 20 KB, 469x359, 723.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everyone is arguing about cycle accuracy or lack of it and I'm just sitting here thinking about upgrading from Wii in my CRT TV emulation setup.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 11:08:39 2020 No.6113870 >>6113315 The hell man, I thought misters main selling point was accuracy. Thanks for the fpga red the pill I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 11:12:00 2020 No.6113874 get a pc you worthless fucking console retards

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Anonymous Sun Jan 5 12:50:17 2020 No.6114043

I haven't emu anything in years and got genesis mini with limited retroarch going on. The MISTer has me intrigued but that price point seems insane. I'd rather take my old i7 920 box out of the closet, throw an Intel HD video card on it and be done with it. At least it didn't give me fits about anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 13:36:40 2020 No.6114112 File: 63 KB, 490x373, 9f942bfe3b2820f6a55b3e1aa0e80f4430bac07f6f41f6f84bbad5adf88f807a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6113874

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 13:40:20 2020 No.6114119 >>6097325 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 13:42:12 2020 No.6114121 >>6113983 >>6114112 lol imagine getting hurt right down to the core of your soul by the phrase 'get a pc' maybe get a life first lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 13:56:47 2020 No.6114152 File: 41 KB, 407x405, 00e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6114121 Imagine getting worked by hilarious meme images mocking the PC Master Race.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:01:05 2020 No.6114161 >>6114121 >posting a meme is being hurt "down to the core of your soul" Shouldn't you be on /v/ newfriend? I heard the epic game store is having a sale!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:21:19 2020 No.6114194 File: 3.20 MB, 500x263, FearlessMenacingAmazondolphin-size_restricted.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6114152 >>6114161 >his soul is still crying

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:39:47 2020 No.6114220 >>6113874 based

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:52:20 2020 No.6114240 >>6099441 /vr/ was never good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 14:52:23 2020 No.6114241 File: 41 KB, 407x405, 1ce.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6114194 >>6114220 >Still seething over console gamers not diving into PC gaming

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 16:15:08 2020 No.6114378 >>6097284 This is for early adopters. Wait a bit for it to be more polished (good enclosure, more streamined PCB etc...) and/or for a portage on other FPGA like the Pano Logic G2

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 16:35:53 2020 No.6114427 >>6113315 >stop buying that one fairly affordable device fpga-emulating dozens of systems >instead buy the myriad of expensive devices from my company which can only be used to emulate a few systems each!

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 17:32:05 2020 No.6114537

>>6108010
The mister has a lot more logic gates which means its much more powerful. SDRAM does seem shitty, I used it on my pentium 1 and I read thats its speed could effect how fast the ao486 core runs.

>>6113586
I read that the mister runs at 180 mhz

>>6114043
You stupid fagot, the whole point is accuracy

>>6114378
I own a neogeo flash cart and mega sd and sd2snes as well others for computers, hard to justify now going to fpga until its finalized

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 17:59:28 2020 No.6114565

>>6114241
Most people don't want the mongoloids to jump over to PC. We just like to make fun of the less-thans.
Just the same as upper class not wanting welfare and low class making it to middle/upper. Making jokes and showing how great it is =/= we want you with us, nigger.

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 18:05:10 2020 No.6114581

>>6114537
>I own a neogeo flash cart and mega sd and sd2snes as well others for computers, hard to justify now going to fpga until its finalized

I was in the market for the neogeo flash cart, I figured for the price difference I would just get a mister setup. Honestly I'm happy with it, this comes from someone with a consolized mvs with 161 in 1 cart. It works great for neo geo, even when compared to original hardware. I'm glad I went this route because it's a hell of a lot easier to hook up at friend's houses this way. I totally understand waiting for the product to become more mature, but it's pretty damn great at the current state.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 18:05:29 2020 No.6114582 >>6114537 if the point is accuracy go get yourself a crt and actual hardware. all emulation, including hardware emulation like mister, will never be 100% accurate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 18:12:51 2020 No.6114597 >>6114582 Bitch you're an idiot. It's not "emulation" in any way, it's cloned hardware. It has zero inaccuracies or lags on any hardware that is properly reverse engineered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 18:38:37 2020 No.6114645 >>6114565 >mongoloids >is a fat ugly neckbeard PC gaymer okay boomer

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 18:44:45 2020 No.6114663 >>6114378 >>6114537 I don't say you have to favor flashcarts for a standalone agnostic FPGA, I just say that in its current state the Mister, hardware wise isn't mature enough (ugly hack/10)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 19:29:18 2020 No.6114758 >>6114597 Don't think you know what the difference is between cloned hardware and hardware emulation. How come mister Kool aid sippers are always completely uneducated?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 19:30:11 2020 No.6114760 >>6114582 You're correct but there gets to be such a small difference that humans can't tell the difference. I see it as a good stopgap, it lets people get close enough without continuing to destroy the prices on shit they don't really care about.

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 20:38:16 2020 No.6114914

>>6113586
>I'm right though
No, you're not. A straw man is never right. Let's face it. If he can be right about that I can be just as right about you being him.
RAM, or more precisely the way it's accessed, is an insurmountable obstacle in the current hardware even for some systems less complex than the N64. I'd go into more detail but based on your "evidence" I'd be wasting both our times.

>>6114240
It was. But that was many summers before you arrived.

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:02:00 2020 No.6115093

>>6114597
>has zero inaccuracies or lags on any hardware that is properly reverse engineered.
ZERO INACCURACIES LOL 550 PAGES OF GLITCHES AND INACCURACIES!
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=117&t=31926&sid=94ab58a5c4193e33682df7dba0136317&start=550

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:08:41 2020 No.6115104 >>6114537 THIS IDIOT THINKS HE HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN KEVTRIS LOL!

Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:08:51 2020 No.6115105

>>6114537
>I read stupid shit
So did I. I didn't think to mention it until now. The SDRAM MiSTer uses is much faster than any 486 ever used.

>>6114581
MiSTer is ideal for you. Cheaper and more versatile than that MVS setup you paid $500 for.

>>6114597
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:11:46 2020 No.6115113 File: 26 KB, 488x400, 1934912332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6115104 more like fagtris

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:11:53 2020 No.6115114 >>6114597 there's 23 pages of reporting inaccuracies and shitty bug fixes! stop talking up your ass!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:16:02 2020 No.6115118 >>6115113 i'm sure the gametechus and retrorgb fuck this guy ass! by the way just look at this uggly ass motherfucker , it seems like all these guys are horrendous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLmIKw5wyg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:28:25 2020 No.6115128 >>6115104 >THIS IDIOT THINKS HE HAVE READING COMPREHENSION

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:41:30 2020 No.6115142 >>6114760 Then why bother with mister instead of cycle accurate emulation then? Or even light weight high level emulation on a pi?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 5 23:57:18 2020 No.6115171 File: 17 KB, 400x286, InigoMontoya.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6115142 Because "cycle accurate emulation" doesn't mean what you think it means

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:05:51 2020 No.6115185
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>>6114914
What are you even sprouting at this point? Are we even talking about the Pi because you are generalizing to even general purpose computers based on your assertion, which is false. Every modern computer or device since the late 60s use a von Neumann architecture and RAM access is similar no matter what you are doing, whether it be multiple pools or single unified one with one address space. But I agree, since you and I can't convince each other and you can't offer technical evidence suggesting the contrary to my arguments, it would be better to stop and not waste our times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:13:47 2020 No.6115192 >>6115171 That doesn't answer my question. You said yourself it's impossible for mister to be 100% accurate. So then what use is the expensive claptrap then? Try answering without a vacuous meme next time

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 00:49:33 2020 No.6115235 >>6097630 OK, No HUMAN PERCEIVABLE Lag

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:01:07 2020 No.6115249 >>6115104 Did you buy an analog nt, that bullshit doesn't even work on a crt but mister does

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:42:09 2020 No.6115291

>>6115185
>omg all that stupid cringe ignorance
That was my first reply to you. I'm not "sprouting" anything, you stupid fuck. We are not talking about anything, let alone "the Pi". Your pathetic attempt to use wikipedia you don't understand is pathetic.
I totally agree that you should give up on your retarded attempt to be an technology

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 01:43:13 2020 No.6115293 >>6113315 >FROM KEVTRIS ;') Man who profits from similar device says other device not as good. well huh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 02:09:20 2020 No.6115305 >>6115291 It's pointless when you are moving the goalposts and not addressing the technical argument and falling back on ad hominems. Fucking schizophrenic poster. I'm out of the thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 05:40:39 2020 No.6115498 >>6115192 When did I say that champ?

Anonymous Mon Jan 6 06:45:55 2020 No.6115571

>>6115498
Nice Jewish argument tactics. Why even bother posting

>>6115105
Imagine praising an expensive and current tly redundant emulation implementation over actual hardware. BTW mvs has cycle accurate emulators that stomp the mister core. This is why no one takes you fags seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 07:13:00 2020 No.6115593 >>6099345 >it's retarded because it's not like a PC ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 09:54:51 2020 No.6115764 >>6103921 >How do you propose to get that information into your FPGA without an analog component? >what are AD converters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 10:32:42 2020 No.6115816 lol cry more! https://twitter.com/i/status/1214085797760000000

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 16:24:28 2020 No.6116508 >>6115571 >i failed so you are jew

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 6 16:44:24 2020 No.6116527 >>6115764 >without an analog component? >what are AD converters >analog to digital converters >literally retarded Fuck off back to facebook slow baby

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 01:54:44 2020 No.6117597 >>6097284 whats the difference between the mister and the mist?

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:02:10 2020 No.6117615

>>6117597
Mist actually predates a lot of FPGA consoles and was one of the first open source FPGA projects, but it was a) expensive, b) VGA only, c) at this point built on obsolete or soon to be obsolete hardware d) not as powerful as Mister

Mister is basically a sucessor to MiST with better hardware capabilities.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:37:50 2020 No.6117674

>>6097284
Well, the original machine had a base plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two main spurving bearings were in a direct line with the panametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-deltoid type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a nonreversible tremmie pipe to the differential girdlespring on the "up" end of the grammeters.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 02:57:14 2020 No.6117701

Man, some of Smokemonster's core videos from last month are frankly pretty bad and feels like he rushed through them without doing much research on most platforms he's covering. The fact that he put some of them behind his Patreon paywall for early access is fucking hilarious.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 03:02:35 2020 No.6117712

Excuse me for asking some technically ignorant questions, but:

Whether FPGAs for gaming are a temporary trend or not, couldn't someone make an FPGA expansion card for a home PC for gaming purposes? I know developers for military and aviation use them as a PCI card (and they cost like $15k each), but if FPGAs are really that good at creating an accurate experience, why couldn't they be made into a project that can then use the features of a full-powered PC? For example running an FPGA core and having complex shaders, etc? Could such a product be possible?

I'm interested in FPGAs because I'm kind of autistic about preserving old home computers.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 03:23:32 2020 No.6117741

>>6117712
1. I don't know what you mean by preserving old home computers, and I don't know what you think FPGA boards will let you do in that regard. Emulators already exists for apple 2 and the like
2. The miltary uses FPGA a lot because they are re-programmable so you don't need to order 5000000 new units when you change over a new radar jammer or something, you just reprogram the old boards because they are fpga. It's about combating obsolescence and doesn't really have a consumer application that is widely useful.

Also FPGA gpu on par with a modern ASIC gpu is unfeasible and prohibitively expensive, and very large. FPGA takes up more space and uses more power, so a dedicated FPGA gpu would be very large and very hot and very expensive and because of the first two points very slow and like I said probably not feasible.

Also worth nothing every FPGA board will have ASIC microprocessors of some kind on the board and this includes mister

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 03:31:47 2020 No.6117752

>>6115105
the speed of RAM isn't an issue. the issue is how there's a single memory module for all the components implemented in FPGA. on normal hardware you had chips often having their own dedicated memory chips to write and read to for their own use. but then you put all these chips on FPGA and they all need to share the same RAM. whoops!

the other way is to implement the separate memory chips in FPGA itself but it's not without limitations, especially when you need a lot of it.

it's extremely nitpicky thing to complain about. hovewer, they're advertising this hardware to people who like to nitpick around and demand the truest retro gaming experience. at it's current state it's a glorified raspberry pi emulation machine with better input/output

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 04:05:09 2020 No.6117798

>>6117741
1. I mean being able to use an FPGA, to use your example, run apple II software or the like, not too unlike how the actual Apple IIgs had the "Mega II" that was responsible for handling backwards compatibilitty with 8-bit Apple II software (and was basically an 8bit Apple II on a chip).

I was sort of hoping at some point, a consumer FPGA product on par with the MiSTer for PCIe would be feasible and we could have many legacy computers and their software runnable inside a modern home PC for enthusiasts of old software.

I know emulation exists, but that isn't really the same appeal to me.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 04:22:03 2020 No.6117826

>>6117798
well i hate to break it to you buddy but an fpga doesn't magically shapeshift into whatever you want. it can be used for hardware emulation, which i'm sorry friend, is still emulation. and no it's not identical to original hardware or emulating the electrons like so many idiots believe. if you were an actual enthusiast of old software and not delusional you would be a huge enthusiast of emulation

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 04:42:00 2020 No.6117860 >>6117826 I'm sorry, what? I'm not implying an FPGA is magical or a perfect solution, but then again neither is emulation with lag. I am enthusiastic for emulation, thank you very much.

Anonymous Tue Jan 7 08:23:59 2020 No.6118023

>>6117752
>the speed of RAM isn't an issue.
I thought the problem was that old ram was basically 1 cycle 1 read/write and DDR3 is designed for pumping an entire cache line at a time to a CPU so the L1 cache keeps the CPU fed with instructions while the L2 gets fed at a much higher latency from DDR3. It's just wholly unsuitable for the task at hand. You'd have to redesign the chipset to operate on buffers which is basically just repeating the flaw with software emulation at that point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 12:54:06 2020 No.6118405 >>6108259 this fat bitch sounds like he's about to cry the entire time, can't stand him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 13:53:32 2020 No.6118513 >>6117615 thanks for the clear answer! >>6118405 I cant stand the other guy the one with the pink air and chicken yellow hair! what a GIGANTIC FAG!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 13:55:45 2020 No.6118518 >>6118405 >with the pink air and chicken yellow hair! >what a GIGANTIC FAG! Im talking about Drew the fag with purple hair on front!

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