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DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>6090089

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other retro FPS welcome
~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Thief)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendations

Same thing, but in video format:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXM
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
More /vr/ shooters
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
Doom Shovelware
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR


Doom RPG series
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4

== INFO/LINKS ==

OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/yzwgaLp7

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
https://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS
https://pastebin.com/aiEgdB3K

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First for Blood being GOTD

>> No.6096880

=== NEWS ===

[12-27]Quakewulf is working on the sequel of Sonic Mayhem for Quake 2
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1210389071027150848

[12-27]Doom Shinobi announced for spring 2020.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntc-DrD4LNY

[12-26]Unit released for Q2RTX only
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/skyscraper-rtx-version

[12-25]Samsara gets a new release with Ian Paul Freeley
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=61431

[12-24]Syringe, a 6 map limit-removing* mapset from Pavera, Tarnsman, Marcaek, & Xaser
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/110956-syringe-v10-6-reality-bending-lim-rem-maps/

[12-23]Heretical Doom 1.4 and HDMonsters 0.4 have been released:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56762

[12-23]Quake 2 beta PBR Textures released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-pbr-texture-pack/downloads/overrides

[12-19] Quake Christmas Jam 2019 Released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61808

[12-17] Clusterfuck 4.0 released.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Edp92Gr590NNd7rCLit5F8yrKm8y9SvJ

[12-16] Someone is working on a FreeDoom equivalent for Quake called LibreQuake
https://github.com/MissLav/LibreQuake

[12-16] Bury My Heart Knee Deep completed.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102605-bury-my-heart-knee-deep-final-version-121519/

[12-15] DBP18 RC2 Released
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1587/dbp18-umbral-platinum

[12-13] Someone working on a Quake 2 Upscaled pack
https://twitter.com/HugoLocurcio/status/1202730353942814720
https://github.com/Calinou/quake2-neural-upscale

[12-13] BuildGDX v1.05 released with PC Powerslave/Exhumed support
https://m210.duke4.net/

[12-10] La Tailor Girl beta #3 available
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=405#p1127571

[12-10] Doom Delta updates
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=52262&start=570#p1127423

=== PREVIOUS ===

https://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST.

>> No.6096884

TO 25 MORE YEARS OF DOOM

>> No.6096890

Quake is better than Doom

>> No.6096897

>>6096890
Ostensibly, yes it is.
Doom's cooler though.

>> No.6096898

>>6096890
I don't personally agree, but I can very much see why someone would hold that opinion, because Quake is an extremely cool game.

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>>6096878
>plebitors watermarked their meme
atleast now I know who to bully for fucking up Ranger's colors.

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>>6096867
>See the image
>Remember this artist was among of the most popular ones in the retro shooter community
>Realize that most of them from 5 years ago are not nearly as active or just left all around
>Now we're stuck with these posers

Alexa play "Hurt",both of them.

>> No.6096923

>>6096914
>kura is often depressed
please get well soon

>> No.6096924

>>6096914
You could always make cool art yourself, anon. I don't mean this in an asshole way either. Being unhappy with the current state of things is what can bring great shit out of people.

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>>6096924
That's what I try to do.
Even if I had no one teaching me how to do it,I keep at it because I'm passionate.
It's just this big clash that happened with artists that kinda sucks,far from depressing.
Still I miss Kracov.

>>6096923
Really? Did that happen recently or for a couple of years? Either I hope she gets better soon.

>> No.6096957
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look at him go

>> No.6096960

>>6096914
It's because the community has gone downhill massively due to an influx of newfags and crossposters. Plus people just change and now everyone's on a discord instead of getting together in threads.
t. Was around 5 years ago.

>> No.6096963 [DELETED] 

>>6096878
Gordon doesn't belong here, he lead to the decline of single player FPS.

>> No.6096969

>>6096963
Nah,Gordon is good.

>> No.6096971

>>6096963
Gordon absolutely belongs there. And you can blame publishers for the stagnation and decline of the genre.

>> No.6096972

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntc-DrD4LNY
Please donate on Bufurcator patreon.

>> No.6096973 [DELETED] 

>>6096963
Nigger Uypo fuck off

>> No.6096976

>>6096972
Not until he learns how to make a character sprite that meshes with Doom's graphical style.

>> No.6096981

>finally starting to get back into modding after a year of fuckall (and playing Quake)
>method and madness slowly coming back to me
>almost kind of understanding my esoteric bullshit code again
I'll never make fun of Mark for his spaghetti code again.

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>>6096981
You can't just say that and leave us hanging. What are you working on?

>> No.6096986

>>6096981
Anon you're not someone who runs a patreon and is held on a pedestral as the best modder around.
Take your time with whatever you're doing.

>> No.6096989

>>6096969
>>6096971
>>6096973
You know it's true, level design went out the window with Half Life.

>> No.6096993

>>6096989
Level design in FPS games didn't die until 2007.

>> No.6097008

>>6096989
HL level design is different from Quake,Doom and Duke but not nearly as shitty as it became a decade after it came out.

Are you the same anon who keeps hating modern shooters and HL?

>> No.6097016

>>6096989
What the hell are you talking about? Half-Life is a masterclass in level design and manages to keep things fresh by constantly introducing new elements and reusing old ones in new ways. Level design went out the window with Call of Duty 4, that was when the "arenas connected by empty hallways" style of level design became popular.

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>>6097008
Nope, I don't hate Half Life I hate what it lead too, as for modern shooters I don't care for most of them, DOOM 2016 was a step in right direction but needed to more open with less monster arenas and the indie retro FPS trend has given us some of the best titles in a long time.

>> No.6097020

>>6096989
What people dont want to address is that fps died with Halo.

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>>6096984
I'll show you all one day.

>>6096986
I didn't say "I'll never make fun of Mark again.", just not his code.
From one caveman to another, I know what it's like.

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>>6097016
Half Life ruined genre.

>> No.6097032

>>6097030
The level exploration kinda lived on in the SS2 "immersive sim" type stuff, like Deus Ex, Bloodlines etc. So at least we had those. Jank in shooting but something.

>> No.6097041

>>6097032
I know it's an unpopular opinion but I never really thought much of Deus Ex level design. There's a lot of pathways but they all lead to the same place so there's ultimately no reward for exploring them all.

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>>6096972
>all that effort to kill a single zombieman
no thanks.

>> No.6097045

>it's an "anon replies to posts without realizing he's in a dead thread" episode
>>6096672
>currently making Wrath and known as Slipgate Studios
I dont know the details of the situation, maybe theyre helping publish it, but nobody involved in developing ROTT 2013 is developing Wrath. Wrath is made by a guy named Killpixel with collaboration from various Quake modders/mappers.
Also, one of the main guys (Simon) behind Amid Evil made Return Of The Triad and worked on ROTT 2013.

>> No.6097046

>>6097041
I've always thought this as well. Sure you can come in through a ventilation shaft, or walk right through the door, but you end up in the same room anyway, so what's the point really?

>> No.6097051

>>6096957
>)
he dancing

>> No.6097052

>>6097041
there isnt meant to be a reward for picking one of five available paths to a goal, its simply down to how you built your character.
door may be too hard to lockpick, but with higher hacking skill you may unlock it from a nearby room. but if you built your char as a shoot-first-ask-later type guy, you may have to run around some back alleys and look for vents to get into a building. this is mostly so players who opt in for one playstyle dont fuck themselves over with the choices they make.

>> No.6097064

>>6097052
I understand what they were going for but in practice it didn't quite work out like that, since most paths are open to you regardless of character build. And the point was, there's not a whole lot to be gained from exploring except a couple optional areas IIRC.

>> No.6097091

>>6097019
It's more of the one who tried to imitate its style.
COD is mainly the one that made the genre stagnant.

>> No.6097092

>>6097046
>walk headfirst into the enemies or approach from a better position where you can engage on your terms or not at all
I dunno anon, what's the difference?

>> No.6097093

>>6097043
If they died too easily there would be no point in trying for combos, and playing around with different attacks.
It's the main point of the genre it's trying to replicate.

>> No.6097094

>>6097093
The difference is in those games, monster counts are drastically smaller, and there are also enemies that can combo you back or at least hit you for a good chunk of your HP.
With this setup you'll be chewing through hoardes of enemies that do very, very basic actions and it's gonna become a slog in a real hurry.

>> No.6097096

>>6097092
It sounds good when you put it like that, but in terms of gameplay I found that it made little difference -especially in the long run. After you get that sword and upgrade your abilities a bit you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want.

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6097110

It's an odd to ask but given the little discussion in the previous thread,do you think making a TC where you play as a big robot possible with a Doom-like level design?
I've seen mods that brings certain gameplays from other games but something that would fit more with something that is almost twice the size of a cyberdemon?

Stomps,grab the enemies and a more unique set of weapons,even upgrades but you're of course a much bigger target for the enemies.Would that work?

>> No.6097115

>>6097110
Technically? Yeah it's possible, though most changes would be largely cosmetic.

>> No.6097116 [DELETED] 

what's about half life that triggers people so hard?

>> No.6097119

>>6097094
Not exactly. From the trailer the monster count is fairly similar to what you would see in DMC. Who's to say they won't be a threat?
We haven't exactly reached the final release.

>> No.6097121 [DELETED] 

Also fuck off for screencapping a resetera post, schizo.

>> No.6097126 [DELETED] 

>>6097019
indie fps are fucking garbage shill.

>> No.6097128

>>6097116
It's just one guy. Best to just disregard him.

>>6097119
>who's to say they won't be a threat?
Unless he took the trouble to alter how monsters work, you'll still be able to melee bait everything with their pitiful attack range. The monster counts seem low most likely from the maps he picked out for his trailer, putting this mod through anything with more than 200 monsters is going to get tiresome very quickly.

>> No.6097159

>>6097110
As long as you make the maps and enemies accommodate the size, that would be pretty awesome. As a matter of fact, you could make it have a Blaster Master style pacing and have levels split between larger areas where you can wreck shit with a mech suit, then smaller areas where you're forced to go on foot to get keys/switches/parts and repairs for the mech/etc.
Mapping would definitely be the hardest part, but a great mapper would definitely be able to make a concept like that work.

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List your top 5 WADs of 2019, GO!

>> No.6097173 [DELETED] 

Please take gordon out of the picture.
It killed the genre.
Linear corridors with no exploration are not retro.

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>>6097159
I remember something like Necrodome doing such things like going out your mecha suit but this time it's huge.
The Mech sections would definitely take place in areas like cities and wastelands where it goes more against big enemies.

Slave Zero did a good job at making city levels interesting.

Small areas have the pilot going in classic Doom maps that of course don't last for too long and go against regular sized enemies.

In case your mech gets heavily damaged you don't die but have to recharge it during the pilot form while surviving the enemies.

>> No.6097182

>>6097176
>Necrodome
Isn't this game a fork of the Warhammer Ip license?

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>>6097165
I actually didn't really play much wads this year, mostly just Quake, so I'll say Arcane Dimensions.
It was so much fun, I need more.

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>>6097183
A good tdbit
Reshade works with Quakespasm, therefore you can use PPDO_Bloom with HDR and other stuff.

also the screenshots are uncompressed

>> No.6097192

>>6097182
That's the first I've heard of it.

>> No.6097194

>>6097182
Apparently it's not.
It seems to be very inspired on certain aspects.

>> No.6097196

>>6097190
What's a reshade?
I guess I wouldn't mind a little bit of bloom.

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>>6097192
>>6097194
Mindscape had the rights for GW games, we almost had Space hulk FPS

>>6097196
A good tool for messing up with graphics, adding effects and so on

>> No.6097204 [DELETED] 

Stop deleting posts and admit that half life ruined the genre for once.
It doesn't belong on /vr/.
Only retards think is a classic.

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>>6097203
https://reshade.me/
the crt shaders are on the forums, im using Lottes

also im dabbling a bit with mine on this one, it kinda gave saturn Q1 feel since that shit was dark and creepy as fuck

>> No.6097213

>>6097203
We already have a Space Hulk FPS. Don't you like traversing empty environments while holding M1 down and pointing the mouse at infinitely spawning genestealer hordes?

:^)

>> No.6097214 [DELETED] 

FUCK OFF JANNIES
HALF LIFE IS GARBAGE

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>>6097214

>> No.6097225

>>6097203
My eyesight is already bad enough, I don't think I need any distortion from CRT shaders (I like crisp pixels anyway).
Is this stuff resource intensive?

>> No.6097228

What are some of the harder aspects of doom wad modding and creating? I want to get into it but don't know what to start with exactly. Does it require any crazy programming knowledge or does an interface kinda help with most of it?

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>>6097213
Both the old and the new one were just odd.
With all the potential and lore of Warhammer,a First Person game like this is the best you can do?
It was slow as hell and tedious,Space Marine was much better than that.

I know I'm a walking fridge but come on.

>> No.6097235

something that i noticed while playing Q2 with other ports and even xp if kirk confirms it
Q2 still retains the forced compression for all ports unless you add set gl_round_down 0 into the config file

even hd stuff goes from blurry to even more detailed and more sharpen.

>> No.6097236

>>6096867
What do you think of Samsara Extra heroes?

>> No.6097239

>>6097228
Things get really hard when you're trying to do gameplay that goes against the grain of a normal doom map, as in fucking with weapon progression, and how monsters behave. Though this becomes easier if you just make levels built around whatever you're making.

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>>6097240

>> No.6097243

>>6097228
Oh, and if you're just doing basic shit like making new monsters and weapons, it's piss easy, DECORATE can take you far, which is the most simplistic doom modding language, Realm667 is a good source of examples for how weapons and monsters be made with DECORATE.
Besides DECORATE there's also ACS which is more indepth is similar to an actual coding language, I keep forgetting what it's comparable to. ACS is capable of doing more complex shit that DECORATE struggles with, I mainly use it for background stuff, like recharging weapons and cooldowns.
Finally there's ZScript which is the new hotness, documentation is still spotty for it but it's the most powerful language.

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This is clunky as hell but damn it's so much fun.

>> No.6097246

>>6097230
No idea how the EYE guys dropped the ball.
Would be interesting to know why it was a mess.

Shame we will never see space marine 2 as well.

>> No.6097247 [DELETED] 

FFS jannies stop being butthurt about your favorite game being insulted.
Doom 2016 and indie fps are an improvement over hl.

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>>6097246
What's even worse, we won't be seeing an EYE 2 any time soon either, as the money earned from Space Hulk was to go towards funding a sequel for EYE.
Shit sucks

>> No.6097249

>>6097243
>>6097239
thank you for the tips anon, to be honest i was less interested in reskinning/making new weapons more so interested in making maps. does doom have serious memory constraints like only a certain amount of tiles/textures and graphics allowed per layer in memory? or are we rid of those limitations with gzdoom being a thing now? i just played for the first time a few days ago it was incredible the amount of options that are there so it got me going..

>> No.6097251

>>6097248
Ultimately it was their fault unlike your typical publisher mess. I had expectations of those frogs.

>> No.6097254

>>6097249
One of the big points of modern sourceports is the limitation removal stuff, I'm kinda ignorant on that subject though, but I'm sure there's plenty of info if you do some poking around on the internet, or maybe someone else here can give you advice on the matter

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>>6097225
You can tweak the resolution of crt lottes and retroarch ntsc shaders
people needs to learn that crt image works with the resolution of the pixels in the image itself, which is the real output

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>>6097259

>> No.6097271 [DELETED] 

Why don't you hate hl and cs for ruining the genre.
I don't get you.

>> No.6097275

>>6097246
>>6097248
>Be the franchise that is basically about non-stop murder with the biggest guns imaginable.
>Never gets a proper FPS game
>Only a third person shooter that still begs for a sequel.

The closest thing we have is a mod that basically uses BD Lite as a base:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108733-warhammer-40k-astartes/?tab=comments#comment-2023001

>> No.6097281

>>6097275
Maybe one day. 40k got some good small and medium games over the years however, and the venerable dawn of war. And even trash like fire warrior was interesting.

I feel like 40k is getting a lot of love recently, and its a franchise which I thought was going to just disappear.

>> No.6097285

>>6097281
I think it helped that GW's shitty CEO was voted from his position and and new one was put in place, who seems to actually give a fuck about the company and have some ideas about what the customers want.
It was looking pretty dire for a while there though.

Also, Dawn Of War was a really fun game.

>> No.6097291 [DELETED] 

Tell me, how does it feel that another poster saved my screencap and used it in this thread to shit on hl?
How does it feel there is two posters now exposing your shit game?
Thanks for doing my job.

>> No.6097292

>>6097285
I didnt kewn about that but it makes sense.

I see a new resurgence that even reminds me of tg occupied 40k era. And from new blood wanting to god deep into the ridiculous and also more badass parts to the lore.
Maybe it's not surprising, most sci fi fantasy shit out there is so stale and boring that only 40 k gives it a good spin and still has that heavy metal vibe.

Mechanicus from a small french team is amazing, also Gladius is pretty good. Maybe one of these days a fps pops out.

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No.

>> No.6097297

>>6097292
I would like to see a full fledged Remaster of Dawn of War 1 with all expansions included
Also Dawn of War 2 using Pre-CR Campaign where boss fights were hard and the dialogue wasn't cut.

Like Rippa Splitta Stealing my best Dread

>> No.6097298

>>6096775
I should play this
I only bought it 6 years ago

>> No.6097302

>>6097294
dwars is an obnoxious sycophant desperately trying to nest himself securely in a community by spewing half-researched topics through video format

>> No.6097308

>>6097302
Also he is a FUCKING FURFAG from Resetera
Which itself is a huge NOPE

>> No.6097310
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>>6097281
>>6097285
>>6097292
A good thing a Warhammer FPS should do is have multiple classes to choose from like:
-The usual blue guys
-Blood Raven
-Black Templars
-Imperial Guards
-Orks
And so on.

A Doom mod where you can pick the enemies to tear apart could work so well,like Quake Champions Doom Edition did.
And let's not forget the companions as well.

In the end the potential for a mod or even an FPS is there but surprisingly no one really went further

>> No.6097314

>>6097310
I would like a game about Eldar, like against tyranids in a craftworld.
But I would also love a simple Imperial Guard amids titans thing.

>> No.6097320

>>6097310
someone made a space hulk map years ago using vengeance of the blood angels sprites for the genestealers

>> No.6097330

>>6097302
>google dwars
>find his channel
>avatar is a poorly drawn fursona
>incredibly odd speech cadence
>shamelessly links off to a bunch of other, more popular, doom youtubers as well as some ponyfag
Thanks for giving me cancer unironically, because after seeing this I want to die.

>> No.6097335

>>6097330
He is from resetera, therefore Fuck that mentally diseased nigger.

>>6097275
now we need a proper gothic base map to play with it

>> No.6097340

>>6097320
You mean that Space Hulk TC?
Unfortunately the author stopped working on it.
Sure it still available but damn.

>>6097335
Scythe 2 works well.

>> No.6097342

Why is decino so comfy?

>> No.6097352

>>6097342
Chill voice, post-commentary, decently skilled.

>> No.6097354

>>6097352
>post-commentary
?

>> No.6097356

>>6097352
>decently skilled
>Made everyone, including TODD the shodd go DAFUQ at quakecon with plutonia pistol starts.

>> No.6097359

>>6097354
He isn't playing and talking at the same time, he adds the commentary in post. Old LPs used to do it a lot and it makes more a much less hectic experience.
>>6097356
Yeah I mean he's decently skilled. He still makes screwups but he's a cut or two above the average "dedicated" player.

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Denied.

>> No.6097364
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6097364

ATTENTION ATTENTION

I've decided to do a little celebration for the 20th anniversary of Unreal Tournament 1999, and also the end of the decade, by doing a Christmas/December time multiplayer server. I got a handful of Christmas/Winter themed CTF and DM maps. Specifically, 11 CTF maps and 19 DM maps.
>How do I get in on this?
Download the files below. One link is for maps, the other is for the game files itself. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to check if my install could be run on other systems besides my own. If you don't own UT99 and my install doesn't work for you, you can get the game on GOG for 2.49 USD.
Anyways,
>There's a bunch of weird files I don't understand. What the hell is a utx? What is a umx?
These are required map files. When you open the individual map .zips for the maps in christmas.zip, you'll have to put each file where they belong in your UT99 directory. Handy guide:
>.txt files and .jpeg/.png screenshots go in Help
>.unr files go in Maps
>.umx files go in Music
>.uax files go in Sounds
>.int and .u files go in System
>.utx files go in Textures

>How do I configure the settings to my liking?
In-game, click on Options at the top, and open Preferences. These are the general settings. Meanwhile, Player Setup is for your username, team, player skin and model, and voice. Weapons is just a list describing each weapon, but it also lets you toggle automatic weapon switching.

Dropbox for the maps (also contains unused maps I didn't have time to review and implement)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/imnjw654mmmoirp/christmas.zip?dl=0

Don't have UT99? Here's a copy of the install I use. I tried making it as default as I knew how. There's some files that fix the OGL renderer, and the official Bonus Packs 1-4 along with Advanced Model Support.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/16a4d3oygs74370/UT99GOTY.zip?dl=0

I'll probably try making a thread about this on /v/, and see if they can drag themselves away from shitposting long enough to at least open the thread.

>> No.6097371

>>6097364
MORE ATTENTION

I'm a major retard so here's the IP
68.44.67.35

>> No.6097378

>>6097359
>He isn't playing and talking at the same time
Source?

>> No.6097385

>>6097378
Literally watch any of his videos except the livestreams.

>> No.6097387

>>6097359
>He isn't playing and talking at the same time, he adds the commentary in post.
I don't think this is correct - based on his reactions and the audible clicking of his keyboard.

>> No.6097391

>>6097385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts2uICPmnU
For example - at ca. 0:38, there's audible clicking when trying to grab the shotgun. Are you implying he's faking live reactions?

>> No.6097392

>>6097385
How do you explain his outtakes videos then? Fake?

>> No.6097396

>>6097391
>>6097392
Jesus christ no need to get so fucking defensive cunt. Fine, it's not post at least in some of them, whatever. Stop acting like I just called your sister a whore.

>> No.6097398

>>6097396
I wouldn't say those guys are getting defensive, you seem to be more on edge than either of those two.

>> No.6097403

>>6097398
>literally sequential posts by the same guy with implied accusations
Unless decino is your daddy this is pretty much the definition of being overly defensive.

>> No.6097404

>>6097302
Dwars didnt invent the "no" meme you autistic faggot.

>> No.6097405
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>> No.6097407

>>6097396
The post about the 'outtakes' was not mine.

I don't see how asking legitimate questions is being defensive.

>> No.6097412

>>6097404
where did i state this in the post you quoted

>> No.6097414

>>6097412
Why did you reply to a graf post with shitting on some random unrelated youtuber then?

>> No.6097415

>>6097407
>Are you implying he's faking live reactions?
How the hell are you supposed to take a post like that? It's blatantly accusatory, which is hilarious because it means you think that post-commentary is somehow an insult, which it isn't. Why are you "defending" youtubers on the internet from things that aren't even insults?

>> No.6097427

>>6097415
>It's blatantly accusatory
Of what? Asking you if you think he's faking it? And asking this does not mean that i think post-commentary is an insult, since my whole asking was based on the fact that to me, it is so obviously live-reactions, thus leaving two options: he's faking it, and you already know this, or: it is live commentary.

You're really reading a lot into a simple inquiry.

>> No.6097431

>>6097427
>dude it wasn't an accusation even though it's phrased exactly like one you're just being oversensitive, now here's the same accusation again but phrased slightly differently
Notice how your choices are basically
>You have PROOF he's a faker
or
>He's NOT a faker
But whatever faggot, maybe talk to somebody in person at some point in your life and you'll realize why the way you speak is overly confrontational.

>> No.6097442

any more like this?
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/epicus
i like playing with sword and shield

>> No.6097445

>>6096851
I'd upload them to the mega if I had access
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/heretic-ii-3kz
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/hexen-ii-3l3
heretic
heretic: shadow of the serpent riders
hexen
hexen: deathkings of the dark citadel
hexen 2
hexen 2: portal of praevus
heretic 2

>> No.6097449

>>6097431
Alright, looks like i have to explain in baby steps:
1. I believe he's doing live-commentary
2. You post that he's doing post-commentary.
3. I asked you for source of this.
4. You replied with ''literally watch any of his videos'' which, if i was as hysterical as you, could easily have been interpreted as a snarky remark indicating that i am an idiot for NOT knowing this.
4. I bring proof of the opposite, asking you if you believe that he's faking his reactions, since it's really obvious that he's ostensibly playing live - a question based on the confidence (and possible snark) seen in your previous post.
5. You take an inquiry into your positive belief (literally watch any of his vdeos) as a confrontation and insult me.

Do i have to explain it to you again, or are you done with your little tantrum?

>> No.6097453

The decade is over at the end of 2020 dipshit.

>> No.6097459

>>6096867
Daggerfall+HEXEN=??

>> No.6097465 [DELETED] 

Are we having a reddit idol as ours now?

>> No.6097476

reposting about how my discovery of the fast monsters command has made Doom an actual challenge, and genuinely fun for the first time since I was 10, and adding a request for maps/map packs that were designed for fast monsters.

>> No.6097480 [DELETED] 

Serious question.
Why do you like hl so much?

>> No.6097497

>>6096867
Fallout 1 but its a UT99 mod.

>> No.6097514

>>6097442
The GMOTA mod
Hexen
>>6097459
Despite both being fantasy-themed and first-person, theyre completely different games. Daggerfall has a more traditional D&D, medieval fantasy style, while Hexen is a bit more oddball ancient/otherworldly fantasy.

>> No.6097525

>>6097453
>The 2020's don't start until 2021

>> No.6097527

Why are there deleted posts?
What happened?

>> No.6097532

>>6097527
Half life hating autist going apeshit over here.

>> No.6097591

Tex plays Ion Maiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L2NU5iXgis

>> No.6097595

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/90900-post-your-doom-textures/?page=42&tab=comments#comment-2053389
that cyberbutt

>> No.6097608 [DELETED] 

>>6096867
>those /vr/ shooter megas
nice virus mate

>> No.6097615

>>6097364
you could've made this a lot easier for everyone else by arranging everything into the proper folders before zipping them up
for everyone who hasn't decided to join yet, just use this and unzip it into your UT99 directory: https://files.catbox.moe/x7suwr.zip

>> No.6097616

>>6097615
oh, server's dead anyway

>> No.6097618 [DELETED] 

>>6097608
Stop using McAfee and switch to better antivirus software.

>> No.6097626 [DELETED] 

>>6097618
oh i doubt he even downloaded and detected anything, he's probably some fag from /v/ that got redirected to here in search of something.

>> No.6097631 [DELETED] 

>>6097608
Fuck back to /v/ resetnigger

>>6097626
obviously since there are threads there atm
he even answered on the previous thread
WHICH SHOULD HAD BEEN LOCKED AT THIS RATE

>> No.6097639 [DELETED] 

>>6097631
>>6097626
Why are you adamant on infecting people's computers?

>> No.6097647
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Jannies, please show the /v/ tourist where he belongs.

>>6097514
Daggerfall unity has already someone working on a Hexenlike combat for it
Also someone there made an high res remake of the weapons

>> No.6097663

>>6097020
What people dont want to address is that fps died with Crysis 1.

>> No.6097664

>>6097663
Its an improvement over Farcry 1.
But I was being serious Halo is fucking awful.

>> No.6097667

>>6097664
I don't actually like Halo, I didn't even finish the first one

>> No.6097671

>>6097663
>gaming died in 2007
checks out

>> No.6097674

>>6097667
Its not complete shit. But the garbage sandbox, weapon limitation, and how fucking seriously it took itself with its shitty setting, beckoned 10 years of a dark age in gaming. There were still good games and some B crap on consoles but still.

>> No.6097678

>>6097190
>Reshade works with Quakespasm
ssao works now?, I'm tired of checking it

>> No.6097687

where do i go to find deathmatch games (doom) besides doomseeker?

>> No.6097708

>>6097678
if someday quakespasm resumes development, i will pester them to make this an option

>> No.6097716

>>6097687
zdaemon

>> No.6097736 [DELETED] 

Admit it /vr/.
Hl killed level design and fps.
Indie retro shooters are saving the genre.

>> No.6097743 [DELETED] 

Based janny does it again.
Deleting any negative hl posts.

>> No.6097769 [DELETED] 

Half life is as bad as halo.

>> No.6097779
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>>6097708
it is in development, 93.2 was last month

even so, wtf is the point of engine-side ssao if modern compilers bake ao into the lightmap already?

meanwhile fteqw supports bloom, hdr and all that garbage already out of the box. you're gonna have better luck pestering its dev instead, if your favorite screen-smearing fx aren't in yet.

>> No.6097825
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>use lazer in Serious Sam TFE
>moderate speed lazers
>watch someone else use it
>fast lazers
how?

>> No.6097827

>>6097825
Projectile Speed or Firing Speed?

>> No.6097843
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>>6097827
Definitely firing speed.

Funnily enough the video I was watching replicates the glitch (after showing a time delay monster spawn thing).
https://youtu.be/we2w9kxVSM4?list=PLYZp53E4M0t9PQJhOmZgOH8MKcWGpBdUc&t=1194

I wonder if in my case it has to do with loading save states.

>> No.6097856

>>6097843
If I remember correctly, it happens after long enough, even if you save, quit, and load back. It's based on the total time on the current session.

>> No.6097858

>>6096890
Quake has a much cooler theme but the weapon animations and terrible, clunky, infrequent pain states remove all impact from the shooting which is further exacerbated by everything having a much larger health pool than the doom equivalents, it feels like garbage next to Doom.

You also get hung up on stairs and arbitrary geometry all the time which completely ruins your flow too.

>> No.6097883

>>6097856
Intredasting. At any rate it looks like if I just kms and start the level fresh, it resolves itself. Thanks!

>> No.6097891

>>6097708
please quakespam dev make my engine looks shittier t.anon

>> No.6097915

why is /jp/ so autistic? I wanted to play a coop server on Zandronum and theirs was the only one active so I got the password off their thread and they kicked me out lol

Do you guys still play online servers?

>> No.6097921

>>6097915
funny you mention that - I'm gonna be hosting a christmas CTF map pack with that eon weapons mod (which just tweaks the weapons, nothing big) tomorrow, probably around 8PM CST (as that's likely when I'll get on)
more details when it happens

>> No.6097931

>>6097335
>He is from Resetera
proof? cause hilarious if true.

>> No.6098032

>>6097165
bump

>> No.6098038

>>6097779
>even so, wtf is the point of engine-side ssao if modern compilers bake ao into the lightmap already?
that means we need to recompile all the maps made for quake since 1996

>> No.6098040

>>6097165
Deathless
Sigil
Outbreak of Evil
Lunar Catastrophe
Verdant Citadel

>> No.6098041

>>6097779
>wtf is the point of engine-side ssao if modern compilers bake ao into the lightmap already?
you can have monsters and world models contribute to AO this way
not a fan of SSAO myself but it can work if tuned right

>> No.6098046

>>6097891
have a (You)

>> No.6098052

>>6097858
>everything having a much larger health pool than the doom equivalents
"no"
>You also get hung up on stairs and arbitrary geometry all the time
are you using a mouse, anon

>> No.6098057
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>>6098041
>double the effect of a lighting hack with no basis in reality
>all to have little blobs of shadow under the enemies

>> No.6098060

>>6098057
those walls with different colors really convinced me, anon

>> No.6098062

>>6098057
>lighting hack with no basis in reality
I am sorry anon I didnt realize you live in r_fullbright world

>> No.6098070

>>6097858
I'll give you the weapon animations, but your other issue sounds like you're trying to get by with the double shotty as if it were Doom. In Quake your bread and butter is the rocket/nade launchers, followed by the super nailgun. The double shotty is only for when you're trying to conserve ammo or ran out of everything else and you will definitely have a bad time trying to get through the game just with it. It still takes slightly longer to kill things than Doom, but monster counts are also usually smaller.

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>>6098062
>>6098060
http://nothings.org/gamedev/ssao/

>> No.6098098

>>6098074
yes, the one wall is still a separate color from the other wall, which is the same color as the ceiling
doom's fake contrast doesn't exist in real life

>> No.6098114
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ok so
what kind of designs would work for non-cyborg (or non-mechanical) versions for the cybernetic enemies?
> mancubus
> revenant
> arachnotron
> cyberdemon
> mastermind

there's that black revenant that shoots from its eyes, but i can't think of anything for the rest
just post viable ideas, not necessarily what already exists

>> No.6098115

>>6098098
>>6098057
>>6097779
Why are /v/irgins who learned what retrogaming is yesterday so tech illiterate?
And yes if you think that SSAO causes smearing, go play Yamagi Quake 2 which uses it and with set gl_round_down "0"

>> No.6098116

i'm still waiting for somebody to make hdoom but without generic anime girls

>> No.6098117

>>6098114
>Mancubus
Puke, AoE wave damage

>revenant
throws bones which have arcs

>arachnotron
shoots web that make you slower

>cyberdemon
magic fireball attacks, wave attacks, AoE damage

>mastermind
Spawns small spiders, shoots magical laser beam that pursues player

>> No.6098118

>>6098115
and the last get was directed to >>6098074

>> No.6098121

>>6098117
but what do they LOOK like?
does the mancubus just have arms he has no idea what to do with?
do the spiders have actual spider legs? 4 or 8? or are they 100% brain squids?
cyberdemon just a scaled up baron/knight?

>> No.6098130
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>never played a doom megawad before (mainly just play vanilla levels with gameplay wads)
>see someone recommend ancient aliens
>try it
What the fuck is this? I just got past E1M2, it's fun.

>> No.6098131

>>6098115
> resorting to /v/ accusations
just leave since you're obviously here to do nothing but shitpost

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>>6097591
not my best editing job if I'm being honest, and YT fucked up a joke with some weird artifacting issues, but I'm glad people seemed to like it, it only has 3 dislikes out of 2k views for some reason

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>>6098098
you don't even know the question you're failing to answer. the point is that both parts of the graph are flat or close to it, as opposed to black pits of singularity that an average case of ssao would produce

>>6098115
and you can't even read. 'smearing' was in re: using reshade to smear your screen with shit. Q2 smears everything just by being Q2 though, obv.

>> No.6098136

>>6098131
>>6098134
You are the one who started with the flames, now fuck off.
Again you know shit about shading effects, and you are probably a parrot color haired /v/ tourist who thinks that retro is pixel chunky shit.

Again, eat a dick for derailing this thread, for you are the one seething here about.

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Screenshot Saturday guy seems away, so here's my stuff anyways:

>> No.6098151

>>6097779
map?

>> No.6098154

>>6098132
Besides knowing that you guys roam around here, its nice to know that Tex loved Shelly.
Happy new year and come quicker with the succession wars special.

Also Mekpak4 for MW4Mercs is coming

>> No.6098158

>>6097858
Wow, your criticisms are all kinda wrong.

>> No.6098159

>>6098134
>>6098136
> conflating multiple anons into one

>> No.6098173

>>6098130
the first few maps are experiments by the mapper with different light combat-oriented puzzling, that requres a bit more knowledge of the game than the usual fare.

>>6098132
YT allocates its bitrate to your video according to what bitrate and resolution it had.
If you want your video to look good, you need to make sure your video was compressed with H264, 50-60 MBit/s. If you encoded even at 40mbps, yt will overcompress it much more than if it was in 50mbps, since that seems to be a cutoff between low/high compression settings.
Uploading at higher resolution (1440p or 4k) also makes YT allocate more bitrate to lower resolutions as well, so upscaling things to 4k during the encoding would actually improve things a lot.

>> No.6098174

Looking to get intro arenashooters, whats a good starting point? Quake 3, live, champions or Unreal 99/04?

>> No.6098176

One of my favorite parts about GMOTA is bones just randomly coming out of teleport exits

>> No.6098178

>>6098174
Q3 if you want frantic deathmatch
UT99 if you want slower paced and more methodical DM, with guns that are more fun to use and more varied game modes.

>> No.6098181

we can make fun of Doomsday once an a while due to people making shitty models in the past, but look at this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNe90ddep-Q

now this is proper quality 1:1 model accurate

>> No.6098182

>>6098178
Excluding champions, are any of them more noob friendly either in playstyle or configuring for modern systems? Also how dead are the playerbases

>> No.6098184

>>6098181
ettins in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK048BbjGU4

>> No.6098190
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>>6097915
I didn't even know /jp/ had Zandybam servers.

>> No.6098195

>>6098184
>>6098181
still suffers from the fact that 1) high poly models clash really hard with lowpoly environments
2) animations are too "even", there's no momentum to them which is the problem of all the Doom animations as they try to follow original frames which is NEVER going to work.
3) Does not work werll on the engine-side, as models scate and slide around since there's no state blending.

To make good models in Doom engine one must not only create good models and animations which is in itself ultra rare but also make modifications to the engine itself, its handling of models, and create new actors from scratch.

>> No.6098201

>>6098195
Yeah, it's a good model, but it looks so out of place in that level.

>> No.6098202

>>6096880
Doomsday Engine 2.2.0 was released(Stable build) also its 20 years old birthday release (Dec 18 2000)
http://talk.dengine.net/discussion/2768/doomsday-2-2-released-doomsday-blog

>> No.6098204

>>6098202
Happy belated birthday, Doomsday.

>> No.6098208

>>6098116
Seriously though who here has a doom demongal fetish

>> No.6098215

>>6098201
playing with DE2.2 right now, the movements of the ettin sprites feels like they want to be interpolated but they lack sprites for that, even Xarp's old stuff feels off now sliding.

Also its incredible on how DE manages to be more graphically stable, better looking and less demanding than fucking GZD

>> No.6098223

>>6098195
Ziggurat uses the same stuff and the game looks fine.

>> No.6098225

Do you guys think a megawad will release on Doom Eternal's release date like when Ancient Aliens did on 2016's?

>> No.6098226

>>6098139
so how is hunters moon coming along? ETA on it?

>> No.6098228

>>6098223
>Ziggurat uses the same stuff
It really does not
I have no idea how you even came to such comparison
In Ziggurat:
Environments while simple in fact use much more polys and details
models dont stick out of environment (most of the time) since they are made with consistent style by same people
Animations are original not made with Doom/heretic sprite actors in mind
The engine is modern and allows for proper use of modern animation techniques

>> No.6098249

>>6097915
You sound like a huge pleb.

>> No.6098250

Post link to Bloodite Krypto's salt post.

>> No.6098267

>>6098151
udob3

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>>6097230
The closess i ever was to space marine gameplay was playing this guy in QC

>> No.6098285

>>6098226
This overhaul in the Map Pack will go through 2 phases:

The first is replace the 2 cringy old maps with new ones that is less frustrating in about everything (except bosses that will be kept because they have guide pages). In addition that, there will be also newer maps from scratch to not leave the thing with the same amount of few maps (3 is the current count).

Hopefully by February~April this first phase will be released with much more maps and more consistency in gameplay elements and difficulty.

>> No.6098289

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw
comments:
>dude it's a horror game for the demons!! muh doom slayer, rip and tear!!! xD
How come these droning newfags so fundamentally misunderstand a core principle of classic DOOM? You are most certainly not some superhero blasting effortlessly through the demonic hordes, in fact, i always understood the game as presenting the demons as a very significant, chaotic threat, and the game is thus a constant scraping for health and ammo while the demons roam around, grunting menacingly in your ears. Most DOOM music wasn't EPIC METALZ either, more of it is reclusive, contemplative, gloomy atmospheric music, reminding you that there lies countless unseen horrors ahead. Sure, there was some direction towards a 'power trip' through big weapons, power-ups and such, but the game never wanted you to experience even a morsel of safety or dominance, imo.

Discuss.

>> No.6098303

>>6098250
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105355-the-dwironman-league-dies-to-base-ganymede/?page=5&tab=comments#comment-1984170

enyoi

>> No.6098305

>>6098289
Stop reading Youtube comments.

>> No.6098306

>>6098289
> discuss
no
why would i waste my time on this

>> No.6098309

>>6098303
Thank you. I really needed that dose of salt.

>> No.6098315

>>6098306
>why would i waste your time discussing a game i presumably like
i don't know dude.
Obviously discuss the horror/action dichotomy of DOOM challenged by the comments, not the comments themselves.

>> No.6098317

>>6098289
While DOOM is definitely a departure from DOOM I and II, I still enjoy it for what it is. And given how the developers main goal with this was to be as distinct as possible from the originals in terms of tone, I feel like they did a good job on that front.
While it's certainly not taking what Doom did and doing it better (tension, resource management, etc...) it's still a step in the right direction.
That said, I wish the reception of Doom 3 didn't make them piss scared of having any sort of actual tension or legit horror aspects.

>> No.6098332
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>>6098289
>How come these droning newfags so fundamentally misunderstand a core principle of classic DOOM? You are most certainly not some superhero blasting effortlessly through the demonic hordes, in fact, i always understood the game as presenting the demons as a very significant, chaotic threat, and the game is thus a constant scraping for health and ammo while the demons roam around, grunting menacingly in your ears.
I think it's actually somewhere inbetween, you are alone and scraping by, and the demons are threats, and everything is fucked, but you're also badass who can do this shit.

Think about it, Doomguy can carry so much ordnance on him, and he can run and strafe like a madcunt, even when he's scraping by for resources, he's real fast and agile, he's also strong, to the point that some sci-fi steroid injections can make him punch a man so hard that he fucking explodes.
Plutonia would be a great exemplar of this, where the odds are really stacked against you, but since you're bad motherfucker (as in, good at the game), you can see it through to the other side and best the greatest challenges.

I like this picture a lot for that, cornered and wounded, he's in a vulnerable position, but you can also see that he's calculating the right maneuver he has to do to evade the incoming attacks while also cooking them with the plasma rifle he has there.

>> No.6098337

>>6098289
Yeah, some people forget that Doom 1 has a bit of a horror atmosphere that becomes especially apparent in episodes 2 and 3.
Though, I will say that even Doom 2 kinda downplayed the horror atmosphere. Most moody tracks in it are more bluesy than the ones from Doom 1, for example. And many pwads, even in the 90's, generally went for a more action-adventure mood, rather than action-horror of Doom 1.

>> No.6098341

>>6098337
E2M6 is still top spooky

>> No.6098342

Speaking of horror. Map11 of Plutonia is unironically the most terrifying video game experience I have ever had.

>> No.6098348

>>6098342
Yeah, that's a great example of Doom's horror, you enter the map and realize what it is, and your heart just sinks "Nooo, am I gonna have to do THIS now?"

>> No.6098359

>>6096914
He still draws doom stuff...
just mostly in his doom blog...

>> No.6098392

>>6098182
There are more that 7 billion people on earth, and 700 are playing AFPS. Bots are your friends

>> No.6098395

>>6098337
Doom 2 is only good for the super shotgun and new enemies, and even then the archvile is dicks

>> No.6098398
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6098398

>>6096867
>something I drew 4 years ago is still being used
>now feel the urge to redraw it just so I don't have to see my embarassing old art again
>>6096914
I'm not dead, just not drawing as much retrostuff, I still do sometimes though!

>> No.6098402

>>6098398
but do you do big tiddy demons?

>> No.6098403

>>6098398
Fun seeing you. Draw a Shambler sometime. Or a Timbler.

>> No.6098407
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6098407

>>6098402
demons are not for sexual

>>6098403
here's a fancy dress shambler I drew a while back

>> No.6098413

>>6098332
I don't think there was any serious thought given to the amount of weapons and the running speed of doomguy from a narrative standpoint. One other thing to remember is the game as it came out didn't control the same as it does today, for one mouselook wasn't a thing so you were not able to dart across the map with such ease and precision.

>> No.6098423

>>6098413
>for one mouselook wasn't a thing so you were not able to dart across the map with such ease and precision.
the demos were fucking recorded with a mouse
why does this myth still exist

>> No.6098434

>>6098413
Doom shipped with mouseturning.
What we didn't have was Always Run, the only way to get that was to exploit a glitch, sourceports would add it as options later.
Beyond that, you could still hold shift to run and just zoom around, strafe, and turn on a dime.

>> No.6098438

>>6098315
no
there is nothing to discuss
why would i waste my time stating the obvious

>> No.6098445

>>6098438
forgive the assumption that you would, since this post is antithetical to every other post on this site

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>> No.6098474 [DELETED] 

Why do half life fans deny that their game ruined fps?

>> No.6098497

it's a shit troll more than anything, the most you can argue is that half life killed off key hunting in a maze environment doom clones, but even by 1999 the industry was clearly moving away from that, (see AvP, Deus Ex Jedi Knight, Call Of Duty, Medal Of Honor, Quake 3, Perfect Dark, Thief)

>> No.6098498

>>6098407
DEMONS ARE FOR AS I PLEASE

>> No.6098509

>>6098474
It might have something to do with none of the proceeding FPS games playing or being structured anything like Half-Life, contemporary shooting gallery FPS design is mostly derived from Medal of Honor and the framework for multiplayer XP grindathons was established in Battlefield 2 and 2142.

>> No.6098513

>>6098497
Rare should had ported PD for Windows, but its easy to see the mafia crook of Nintendo saying NO, which led to them breaking from nintendo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql8sJbdAH34

>> No.6098517

>>6098289
>youtube comments are absolutely braindead
Find a better case next time, Sherlock.

>> No.6098528
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6098528

What are your guys' favorite modded Doom enemies?
This guy's pretty damn good, feels like a rival even more than the boss monster replacements.

>> No.6098536
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I live... again!

>> No.6098547

>>6098249
yeah well you sound like a huge FAG

>> No.6098549
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6098549

I really like this Duke weapons mod but there are seriously way too many weapons.
Most of them are just slight variations of the same one and share the ammo too.
It would be better if they gave you an option to pick specific weapons.

I still like it better than Ultra Crispy,another mod I love but this feels actually like Duke3D

>> No.6098559

>>6098528
Those jumping trash dudes from Ashes 2063

>> No.6098562

>>6098474
Half Life didn't ruin FPSs, shitty devs trying to copy Half Life did.
It's not Half Life's fault it created a bandwagon.

>> No.6098564

>>6098562
Don't give him attention, he's like a raving hobo who lost his mind.

>> No.6098580

>>6098528
what's this from?

>> No.6098583

>>6098580
GMOTA, the Arch-vile replacement

>> No.6098585

>>6098517
The whole point of my post wasn't about the youtube comments, it was a discussion of the created dichotomy by the youtube comments. You're basically disgorging earlier posts targeted towards mine.

>> No.6098603
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6098603

>Try to play Brutal Half-Life
>Have fun
>Get to the first Gargantua encounter
>The section where you gotta make all those barrels explode
>The game crashes when you do it
>Attempt to shoot both Vortigaunt in the room
>Turns out one triggers the barrels to explode
>Crashes again
>10/10

In the end I used noclip to get through it but still the fact it crashes was so annoying.

>> No.6098607
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6098607

Speaking of Half-Life do anyone know how to make Xash3D work? I'm using windows 10 and as soon as I start a new game It doesn't start.

Am I missing something?

>> No.6098683
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6098683

>> No.6098694

>>6098549
>talk about a mod
>don't even give a name
what the fuck are you doing?

>> No.6098705

>>6098603

it's teaching you the pro-strat of using a trip mine ladder to skip all of power up

>> No.6098706

>>6098694
>>6098694
That's because is the actual name of the mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65460

>> No.6098709

>>6098706
No. The name of the mod is "Duke Nuke 3D"
Not "Duke weapons mod" as you've implied.
you illiterate faggot

>> No.6098782

How do I get textures with alpha transparency to work in Zdoom based sourceports? The translucent pixels vanish completely, leaving me with just the opaque ones.

>> No.6098786

>>6098709
That's how you can find it on places like Moddb.
No need to be so upset.

>> No.6098794
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6098794

Alright, it's that time of the week again. SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. TIME TO STEP UP AND SHOW US WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON, MAPS, MODS, SPRITES?

>> No.6098807

We're all in agreement that Trail the Courier is the worst of all Thief OM missions, right? Totally devoid of fun or interest, demands that you literally bury your head in the courier's ass (even in open areas you'll get failed for being too far from the courier even if you have clear line of sight), it's on a reused map that wasn't great to begin with.

Kind of fun to go in the graveyard and it could be a nice side piece to give character to the City, but I think its just fails in almost every respect.

>> No.6098810

>>6098782
Are you trying to use them as upper/lower textures or on one-sided walls? They need to be midtextures on two-sided walls or else the transparent pixels are rendered as black.

>> No.6098827

>>6098786
>Moddb

>> No.6098859

>>6098827
Places like Moddb,I found it initially that way on Zdoom forums.In the end is the same mod but you get some addons as well.

>> No.6098863
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6098863

Speaking of Duke,one of my favourite headcanons is that Main Campaign Duke is a Dukebot while the DLC Duke is the real one given how different they are in terms of behaviour.

>> No.6098864

any mods that add enemies from hexen and heretic into doom?

>> No.6098872

>>6098864
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56762

>> No.6098879

>>6098810
Actually, I'm trying to create splats on surfaces. Think Bolognese/Brutal Doom, but puddles of slime instead of blood and gibs. Instead of getting translucent slime, I'm left with just the black/white pixels from the bevel and emboss I did in Photoshop.

>> No.6098891

>>6098879
pics

>> No.6098892
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6098892

I seriously love the textures in Freedoom, but goddamn do the monsters look like absolute shit.

>> No.6098898

>>6098863
yeah, we get it, you watch civvie and when you see an idea you like, you pretend it's your own
Very hip, very cool.
FUCKING RAW amirite???

>> No.6098901

I'm running smoothdoom on gzdoom, and realised that the BFG refills cell ammo when fired. is this a bug? did i flip some odd setting? please help i don't want to have to make up special rules for myself just to make this run legit.

>> No.6098907

>>6098898
I didn't mention him or reference him anywhere,what are you talking about?

>> No.6098908

>>6098892
Those guys look like a bunch of discount Stroggs.
The only enemies I liked where the worms and the cobra looking aliens.

>> No.6098910
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>> No.6098913

>>6097647
Woooooah.... Hexen-like combat? Jesus, that would pull me right in. I've always wanted to get into Daggerfall, but the ass controls/combat have kept me away

>> No.6098920

>>6098907
He's just a butthurt nerd jumping at shadows

>> No.6098926

>>6098907
>>6098920
civvie mentioned it in one of his videos, showing a DM someone sent him on his twitter of that theory.

>> No.6098929

>>6098910
CRUDUX CRUO

>> No.6098930

>>6098926
Proof.

>> No.6098942

Hey kinsie have you ripped off Quake 2 PS1 models for MD2?
https://kinsie.tumblr.com/post/185127517902/since-theres-no-clear-images-of-them-online-and

>> No.6098943
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6098943

>>6098891
The "blood" pool here (which is just the blood pool from Bolognese recoloured because that makes testing WAY faster) isn't showing translucency.

>> No.6098963
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6098963

>>6098910
MARANAX INFIRMUX

>> No.6099015

>>6098046
its like you are missing the point of quakespasm which isn't meant to be some darkplaces style visual overhaul and i am forever thankful for that. If only Doom had a sourceport in development like Quakespasm. PrBoom++ when?

>> No.6099025

>>6099015
just untick ssao in your options

>> No.6099027

>>6097891
>>6099015
How can someone be so illiterate, jesus HL fag.

Thanks for pro/v/ing that you are a faux retroshitter, also people would had given their virgin asses to carmack if he ever added ssao to Quake back then, again a retard like doesn't know how people lost their shit and praised GLquake and Quakeworld when they were out due to how well optimized they were, even more than fucking DosQuake.

its incredible on how this fucking board is infested with retard kiddie tourists who learned about retrogaming yesterday, and even this that this entire thread and years of quake and doom maps and engine improvements over the years are Bad.

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6099032

>>6098074
well, you are right, we should ask for rtx

>> No.6099034

>>6099027
ok Graf how many more "features" are you gonna add to GZDoom this week?

>> No.6099038
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6099038

>>6098794
Nothing much to look at, just figured I should do something with the satchel charges now, one of the ideas was to make it so you can throw them through teleporters, which would be very handy.

Thinking of redoing the graphics so that they're a bundle of dynamite (like in Blood), because dynamite still actually packs an obscene amount of explosive yield by modern standards, so people still use it.

>> No.6099041
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6099041

>>6099038
Obviously I need a new graphic for the remote detonator as well, because JFC.

>> No.6099049

>>6099034
>Seething this hard
Go back to HL hate dude.

>> No.6099057

>>6099049
different anon retard. HL1 is fine HL2 is the one that actually did harm to fps development

>> No.6099094

>>6099032
is that semen

>> No.6099114
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6099114

she wants to stroggfy your dick /doom/

>> No.6099124

>>6099094
You gotta keep your semen meter balanced or you won't be able to circlestrafe properly.

>> No.6099128

>>6099114
No one wants that boxy ass pussy

>> No.6099136

>>6099128
sadly we don't have Q2 Chillo to remedy that with higher poly models

>> No.6099149

>>6099136
Can you imagine vertex animating some fucking model with thousands of polygons?

>> No.6099157

>>6099149
All quake 2 models needs its something that isn't over the top
Q3A polycount fits perfectly with Q2

>> No.6099163

>>6099114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yYxOuHUpDI

>> No.6099182

>>6099128
F U L L Y M O D E L E D

>> No.6099185

>>6099149
you can convert skeletal animations to vertex animations

>> No.6099207
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6099207

>Playing Duke 3D Nuclear Winter
>It's the weakest expansion but still really fun
>Get to the final level
>Fight against Santa Claws
>I gib the fuck out of him
>"So that's how Duke Nukem saved Santa Claus"
>The fuck?!

I shoot the hell out of him and that's how you save him from mind control?
That aside it was a surprisingly comfy expansion.

>> No.6099209

>>6099207
Do you think Santa can truly die? He just reassembles after getting blown to pieces

>> No.6099212
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6099212

like my fanart?

>> No.6099213

>>6099209
It's that Christmas magic!

>> No.6099216
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6099216

>>6099212
What the hell is this?!

>> No.6099218

>>6099207
>Ho ho ho, what a mess!

>> No.6099223

>>6099207
you were santa all along

>> No.6099224

>>6099212
no, why the puppy face?

>> No.6099231

>>6099209
santa is T-1000?
explains how the bastard fits through all those chimneys

>> No.6099232

>>6098898
So are you medicated or do you have a handler assigned?

>> No.6099242

>>6099223
Gift Giftem

>>6099231
I remember a movie called Santa Slayer which pretty much ripped off that car chasing scene from Terminator 2.
So yeah,he is.

>> No.6099258

>>6099212
Poor Ranger got covered in soot from dodging all those ogre grenade explosions.

>> No.6099267
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6099267

>>6099027
>calls someone a poseur
>unaware winquake existed
>keeps jumping on different anons for days on end
>totally calm, reasonable and not butthurt at all

also, glquake had mirrors and nobody ever fucking uses those, so there's an easy checkmate for your retroactive bullshit (not that your argument-from-sheeple would work anyway)

>> No.6099332
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6099332

I know all you motherfuckers play doom, so none of you have an excuse not to join this DOOM CHRISTMAS CTF SERVER

==== SERVER NAME: CTF but it's christmas ====
==== SERVER IP/PORT: 45.33.71.42:10666 ====

PLAY SOME CTF

>> No.6099336
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6099336

>>6096867

>> No.6099372

>>6099267
>using tenebrae as fucking reference
Good fucking lord...
Just go back to /r/etrogames reddit and fuck off, you know shit about 90's quake 1 history.

>> No.6099394

I've made my first mod, fellas.
A slow and cost-inefficient but powerful and accurate pistol with some custom sprites off realm667.
Now I just need to put it in a map, once I figure out how to make maps...

>> No.6099419

>>6096914
What about David Bowie’s cover?

>> No.6099423

>>6098528
Not an enemy, but the Gondola from Lt. Typhon is my favorite.

>> No.6099424

>>6098683
>B.J. head sprite
Nice.

>> No.6099427

>>6098910
MODERN ARTS

>> No.6099430

>>6099332
can i use gzdoom?

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6099431

>>6098910

>> No.6099439

>>6099430
IT'S A ZANDRONUM SERVER
SO NO

>> No.6099440

>>6099430
it's exclusively Zandronum but I think if you want to keep your configs you can just C&P your ini

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6099445

>>6099372
flavor of the month coders + clueless sheep finding the product impressive. why wouldn't I use tenebrae as a reference

>> No.6099454

>>6099445
You cant even fucking call Q2RTX a reference of a good quake 2 port
it uses Quake 2 pro fucked up movement + the fact that it is a fucking prototype of a prototype RTX shitshow made by a german in his free time.

Yamagi and Q2XP existed for a long time, with the 2 being accurate to the Remaster that Carmack wanted it when he made for the X360 as a bonus for Q4 release.
but now the game will be forever fucked because of Normies and fucking NVIDIA pushing a defective garbage source port as "the main font of quake 2 gameplay", worse is that they plan on do for Quake 1 next year.

>> No.6099458

>>6099454
eh? good? who said anything about good? I'm deliberately picking out the worst and you think I'm trying to impress you? you're like a joke that writes itself

>> No.6099462

>>6099458
>No im pretending to be retarded
JUST NECK YOURSELF AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE
Mankind's general IQ will increase, and your family will celebrate that the waste of zygote and sperm as you will be gone, Very thanks!

>> No.6099468

>>6099462
and I'm supposed to be the one seething

>> No.6099476

>check zandronum servers before work
>8 people playing the wolf3d server
>12 people playing the coop server

>check zandronum after work
>both servers empty
feels badman, I wanted to play the wolf3d levels with fellow doomers

>> No.6099485

>>6099332
>none of you have an excuse
I don't have the wads you're using.

>> No.6099487

>>6099485
THAT'S WHY DOOMSEEKER AUTO-DOWNLOADS THEM
NO EXCUSE

>> No.6099495

>>6099487
I REALIZED THIS AFTER I POSTED IT
I AM A RETARD

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6099496

>>6098794

>> No.6099516

>>6097020
>>6097667
>>6097674
the genre was already transitioning away from doom clones after quake.

if it wasn't half life, halo, crysis or call of duty it literally would have been something else.

>> No.6099517

>>6099128
they dont call it "her box" for nothing

>> No.6099518

>>6097041
Better than linearity.

Some levels are very fun to unravel during the missions the very first mission being prime example.
Deus Ex was not Thief but had top notch design.

>> No.6099523

Can anyone post any resources for making a Duke Nukem 3D total conversion?
I know level editing, but nothing about replacing textures/sounds, or modifying how weapons work.
Ideally something like how to use eDuke32 as a base for my own game, but anything is welcome.

>> No.6099550 [DELETED] 

Half life linearity is cancer.
Cope zoomers.

>> No.6099551 [DELETED] 

>>6099550
What, do you only read Adventure-of-your-Own-Choosing books, to avoid the linearity of normal novels?

>> No.6099556
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6099556

>Brutal H-Doom
i can't stop thinking about it, it's driving me crazy

>> No.6099558
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6099558

>>6098794
mappin

>> No.6099561 [DELETED] 

>>6098794

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6099563

>>6098794
Woops, I fucked up in replying. Let's try that again. Nearly got all the necessary hands, though then afterwards I'll need to add "Muzzleflashes" and get all this shit in game

>> No.6099568

Deus ex, Doom good.
Half life bad.
Linear cinematic scripted bad
Non linear good.

>> No.6099573

>>6097041
There are large chunks of map that are entirely optional (e.g. MJ12 sewer base, flooded HK motorway tunnel) and many smaller obscure side chunks packed with various rewards (e.g. backalley areas behind Osgood & Son's, basically everything in the Hong Kong penthouse level that isn't ground floor or Maggie's floor, goodies in the canals, secret caches in the DuClare Chateau, Lucius DeFridge), to say nothing of the tons of content that the levels are openly filled with (e.g. how virtually every non-soldier NPC has a completely unique set of lines which is something almost no other games have done even to this day). Deus Ex is one of the GOATs of level design.

>> No.6099582
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6099582

>>6099556
>playing brutal doom

>> No.6099592
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6099592

>>6099582
>>6099556

>> No.6099596
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6099596

>>6099573
>Lucius DeFridge

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>>6099592

>> No.6099606 [DELETED] 

Half life cucks defend movie games.

>> No.6099626

>>6099462
Wow, you're depressing.

>> No.6099629

>>6099605
its not working what am i doing wrong

>> No.6099632

Lads, what is in your option one thing that makes the retro fpss so good? Level design? Quick combat? What is it?

>> No.6099634

>>6099632
It's all of it, all of those vital components coming together to make something great.

>> No.6099647
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6099647

>>6099632
All that, but also juggling half a dozen weapons

>> No.6099654

>>6099632
Abstraction.
>>6099634
>>6099647
You guys are both wrong, it's that it is an experience first, and a virtual world second.
Post-that game, you know which, dont want to trigger someone and get a deleted post, games started to put more and more effort into having a realistic portrayal, and now decades later, it is easy to see that it was to the detriment of the genre.
Things like every gun needing to be reloaded, realistic running/jumping, it takes away from the arcade feel.

>> No.6099656

>>6099654
>You guys are both wrong, it's that it is an experience first, and a virtual world second.

I disagree. I said it's all of that coming together, as in the level designs, the way monsters behave, the snappy and responsive weapons, how every weapon has a specific role.

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6099664

>>6099654
games tend to fail whenever they go for the abstracted "arcade feel" (Wrack, Desync...)
agreed with the other anon, it's the player, enemies and levels working together (target prioritization, ammo economy, levels+movement, etc)
the biggest detriment was adapting shooters for the controller, popularity of HL model is a direct consequence of that

>> No.6099674

CTF server got four hours out of it, better than I was expecting honestly
might try survival or plain ol' deathmatch next week, and if it's survival, I'll see about adding some sort of way to get players back into the game, either at a cost or only at important milestones in the map

>> No.6099680

>>6099556
brutal fucking im rite??

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6099692

Opinions on this? Personally, I think it sucks gameplay-wise, the handling is horrible and it feels like playing a bootleg Super Mario Kart where every track is made of ice, and this is after hours and hours of playing with a controller offline as well as online. Everything else is great though.
>>6099674
Invasion would be fun too

>> No.6099695

>>6099692
>Everything else is great though.
If the controls in a racing game suck, there isnt really anything else worthy of consideration.

>> No.6099698

>>6099558
nice textures. what is this?

>> No.6099707

>>6099692
"Yeah the game is fucking terrible, but it's pretty good otherwise."

>> No.6099708

>>6099692
i got softlocked in the machine level with the goo and deleted it because i didn't want to replay up to that point.

>> No.6099712

>>6099708
Wrong game?

>> No.6099713

Is there a Doom launcher with any autoupdating capability for Source Ports/WADS?

>> No.6099716

>>6099695
Yeah, I know, but I appreciate the effort put into the project, even if it's in vain when it's THAT unplayable
>>6099707
I never said the game was good, but I should have specified that I was talking about mainly about the music and the graphics, because those are really nice

>> No.6099754

>>6099698
Rekkr

>> No.6099765

>>6099712
oh i saw sonic and just assumed you'd be talking about the more recent thing because your criticisms basically still apply
nevermind, IGNORE ME.

>> No.6099809

>>6099556
>>6099582
>>6099592
>>6099680
Don't wanna sound weird, but i've heard in Discord that somebody was actually working on something of that caliber with the only difference is You play as crash and the demons are the ones eff-ing you if die from them

>> No.6099835

wtf no one told me shadow warrior was in the eduke32 repo

it builds and runs, too. mouse already feels better than the re-release.

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>>6098794
Working on the player character sprites, and i want to do the funny thing of essentially for every direction (5 directions only though) it has different animation, anyone has some recommendations for goofy walking sprites i can base from?

>> No.6099845

>>6099212
he looks like a chumblr reject, rejected for being too chumblry

>> No.6099848

>>6099496
What should I do to play Hexen 2 on a modern system without a hassle?

>> No.6099858

>>6099848
Hammer of Thyrion i guess http://uhexen2.sourceforge.net/

>> No.6099864

>>6099632
Level design definitely first and foremost, but also good gameplay design which means weapons and enemies that all have a certain unique element which makes them al different to use or deal with.

>> No.6099878

>>6099632
>>6099664
>>6099654
A level design, that encorporates exploration as main elements of progression.
You find a door, then you must explore level to find a key, or switch, which opens up more areas to explore and so on, with players some times revisiting older areas to gain access to places he didn't have access before.
It works amazing when done well, but of course it oh-so-easily can be done wrong, resulting in frustrating obscure switch hunting and "where the fuck do I go now" moments.

"Cinematic" FPS thrown that exploratory part away, carefully guiding player from setpiece to setpiece, essentially abandoning one of the key design elements that made FPS good.
I am not talking about secrets or branches from main path that those some times include, but specifically exploration as the main basis of progression.

The "Throwback" FPS of the 2000s (Serious Sam and Painkiller) went further down past 90's into the arcadey 80's times, with focus on combat, they didn't realise importance of exploration and focused on putting player into arenas with loads of monsters to shoot, guiding player from one arena to the next.
Whenever indies look into making a retro-fps, they over or undershoot the 90's going either into the monotonous wolf-tier territory, or arcadey arenaa-based PK as their main inspiration.
Even Doom2016 that claimed to understand how 90's shooters worked, went Painkiller way for the most part - only 3 levels in whole game incorporate exploration as means of progression.

It's only recently when modders from the Doom and Quake communities began making games of their own that you can see the "exploration" component of the oldschool shooter returning.

>> No.6099882

>>6099654
>Things like every gun needing to be reloaded, realistic running/jumping
That is not necessarily bad, it encourages a different kind of strategical thinking but different doesn't automatically equal worse. The real problem is that most CoD style games have ONE type of enemy (hitscan guy with an assault rifle) and all of the two dozen weapons in the game are in reality just reskins of the same two weapons: an assault rifle and a shotgun. There are gimmick one off enemies and weapons (that you could consider "boss fights" like the sniper duel in CoD 5 or whatever it was) but for the most part modern shooters just reek of laziness above everything else, unwillingness to even try to make something above the bare minimum out of the systems they have in place. You could mod CoD to have infinite ammo and let you walk at mach 5, it wouldn't make it a better game.

>> No.6099892

>>6099878
>The "Throwback" FPS of the 2000s (Serious Sam and Painkiller) went further down past 90's into the arcadey 80's times, with focus on combat, they didn't realise importance of exploration and focused on putting player into arenas with loads of monsters to shoot, guiding player from one arena to the next.
>Whenever indies look into making a retro-fps, they over or undershoot the 90's going either into the monotonous wolf-tier territory, or arcadey arenaa-based PK as their main inspiration.
Amid Evil really suffered from this. The levels looked amazing, but most were just series of halls, mini-arenas with handfuls of enemies, and one or two large arenas per level.

>> No.6099901

>>6099892
AE still had some exploration, though admittedly not in all of its levels. I thought it weas a good mix of Unreal-ish aestethics, Quake-y level design and Heretical setting tones.
I am very hopeful of Prodeus since Dragonfly is working on its levels and I really like his Doom maps. Wrath looks good as well.

>> No.6099916
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6099916

>tfw playing mlg doom for hours trying to maximize your dank-o-meter and cover as much of your screen as possible with with outdated meme shit

>> No.6099917

It's stuck!

>> No.6099934

>>6098901
Someone I know had the same issue. I think it's related to the load order of your wads.
Works for me

>> No.6099935

>>6099892
Eh, my experience with Amid Evil was nothing like the Painkiller or Serious Sam "you must kill all the enemies to proceed" boredom. It's mini-arenas weren't really much different to the ones you can find in many doom 2 pwads, and it definitely had some exploration here and there.

>> No.6099952 [DELETED] 

>>6099809
i don't fucking get it
> you want porn? fine
> you want monster porn? ok
> except its always a woman getting raped by monsters
every time without expection
why is this a thing

>> No.6099969 [DELETED] 

>>6099952
it's mostly proof of concept from what i've heard

>> No.6099972 [DELETED] 
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>>6099952
>except its always a woman getting raped by monsters
>why is this a thing
Because it's hot af

>> No.6099978

Whats are examples of good visual detailing, and bad visual detailing?

>> No.6099989
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6099989

>hideous destructor
>try to climb a pedestal with backpack on it
>end up launching myself into the air
>enough fall damage to lose gun out of my hands

>> No.6099994 [DELETED] 

>>6099972
> raped by monsters
> hot
book a therapy session

>> No.6100005 [DELETED] 

>>6099994
Tranny

>> No.6100014 [DELETED] 

>>6099994
Go cry about on your blog you timid bitch.

>> No.6100018

>>6099989
I guess it still has that stair climbing behavior from the base game after all. Steep enough climb and you just boost up into the air.
Did you smash your head into the ceiling or was there enough room above you?

>> No.6100025

>>6099978
I really like the aesthetic that Suspended in Dusk, Back To Saturn X and Ancient Aliens go with. They tend to employ smart usage of textures and architecture to achieve a more subtle approach to detailing, usually only relying on sectors when necessary. SiD and BTSX are even vanilla compatible.

I was never a fan of the details in stuff like Knee Deep in ZDoom. Too loud and in your face with the amount of bloat thats on screen at a time.

>> No.6100027 [DELETED] 

>>6100005
>>6100014
you guys are fucking homos or are into zoophilia

>> No.6100034
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>>6100027
Looks humanoid enough.

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>>6099994
you probably stick to the missionary position

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>>6099994
>>6099972
>>6099952
>>6100005
>>6100014
>>6100027
>>6100034
>>6100036
What the fuck I leave this thread for almost a day and this happens?

I guess this image was accurate after all.

>> No.6100053

>>6100018
Happened in backpack room of e2m2. Flight was like 4 or 5 doomguy heights.

>> No.6100054

>>6100048
i've seen less and less of the first one. ironically there's discords that have it. almost as if the thread is made of certain kinds of people, and those people move away and start posting their stuff elsewhere to not deal with constant shitposting.
4chan is just reddit/twitter with another name at this point

>> No.6100057

>>6100048
But the no chicken is an in-joke.

>> No.6100058
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>>6099878
The early 2000s still incorporate some great classic style level design like Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
The overall design never feels repetitive or tedious for the most part and manages to keep the pacing balanced,later on we had more about cover based shooters or others that tried to emulate the top franchises at the time and failed like Turok in 2008.

There are also shooters that have cover as an essential part but manages to be engaging with their level design like F.E.A.R.
Not the most impressive visually but the AI and the gameplay possibilities make up for it,considering that even the enemies try to exploit the enviroment to their advantage something that other shooters from late 2000s and onward mostly threw out of the window.
Never use the same strategy and go all out,even slow motion has to be exploited wisely,meanwhile other shooters later on shoved it for the sake of it.

>> No.6100061

>>6100057
avatar plus a single two letter word is not a joke, its spam
or do you actually laugh every time you see it

>> No.6100064
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>>6100057
It's more about Graf coming up with something weird in a new GzDoom version or how he reacts.
It's not exclusive for here.

>>6100054
>4chan is just reddit/twitter with another name at this point
But in the end it's something that happens way too many times,it's been said to death but seeing places like Twitter and Reddit focusing more on memes and fanarts instead of what makes Doom so good it's kinda sad,it's like they jumped in because it's popular and try to gain attention.

>> No.6100065

>>6100058
>manages to be engaging with their level design like F.E.A.R
I can't even remember the layout of a single level, it's just a blur of rooms and hallways in my memory.

>> No.6100068
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6100068

>TFW you have so many other wads you didn't complete
>You go back replaying Diabolus Ex for the 100th time

I can't help it,it's too good.

>> No.6100070

>>6100058
RTCW was the last AAA game to have classic style level design.

>> No.6100071

>>6100065
Visually it's simple and pretty samey but overall it's more about the fighting part,here's how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQN3yKYkFmE&t=5s

F.E.A.R 2 had the same AI but the level design didn't compensate,which is exactly the same mistake done with HL 2.

>> No.6100087

>>6099431
I don't get most of these

>> No.6100094

>>6100087
these are forced twitter memes, conveyor-built by an account whose only purpose is to conveyor-build forced twitter memes

>> No.6100097

>>6100094
>forced
Just say you don't like it.

>> No.6100101

>>6100094
you make it sound like there's literally hundreds of them
i've only ever seen like 2

>> No.6100107

>>6100101
not hundreds, no. thousands.

>> No.6100116

>>6099454
>people play the game in a way i dont like >:(

>> No.6100124

I want to lower the movement speed
I copy pasted this
SetActorProperty(0, APROP_Speed, 0.75);
into a txt file I named DECORATE and saved it as wad via slade
Loaded with ztl into gzdoom but it says
Script error, "Slow movement.wad:DECORATE" line 1:
Expected '{', got 'APROP_Speed,'.
How do i fix this? I want slower movement speed wad

>> No.6100140

>>6100124
you put a single line of ACS (that wouldn't compile on its own) into a DECORATE file
just put "turbo 75" into the console

>> No.6100148

>>6100140
that was easy thanks

>> No.6100161

>>6100148
oh right, customdoom exists and has movement speed as an option too, in case you don't want to keep typing "turbo 75" every time you start the game up
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=51446

>> No.6100163

>>6100116
Anon it all about fidelity to the original source and art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp_QjirUyFE

even the blood particles are all wrong

>> No.6100169

>>6100163
Why not make it from scratch and make their own port for it using the free Q2 Source code?
instead they went though the most laziest way to promote and sell their prototype video cards

Also, Nvidia will do Q1RTX soon which will be a bad idea, since they will probably borrow from someone using VKquake to test raytracing, and the port wont even run AD and so on.

>> No.6100185

>>6100161
Weird
I actually have it enabled but didnt bother to check if it does movement speed lol

>> No.6100191

I've been gone for like two or so days during this christmas and tried to slowly follow posts in previous threads like a snail stuck in a time capsule.
Then stopped to fight my autistic ass OCD.
Anything relevant or even just a slightly interesting topic for discussion besides what's in the news post or screenshot saturday?
Hope 2020 is a good year for Doom, both the actual series and the fanbase and modding.

>> No.6100214

>>6100161
>>6100185
Reminder that there's a newer version. Unless you're using Zongobongo, in which case you're shit outta luck because m8f's version is in ZScript.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=64678

>> No.6100226

>>6100214
yes that the version ive been using the past cople of days. Health, ammo regen and monster hp mutliplier have been very useful in some mod combinations. got that x10 enemies mod to make slautghtermaps out of ordinary maps, has been great fun but im in search of more

>> No.6100262

>>6100163
oh no, if only it were possible to still play the original quake 2. if only it was still sold, if only it was open source so anyone could recreate on any operating system ever, if only there were about a dozen ways to do so. alas, i suppose it shall never be.

>> No.6100265

>>6100262
You underestimate how tech companies act, mainly with zenimax greed.
Again, Romero was right about it.

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>>6096880
Wastewater Station, a new Quake 2 map, is finally released!

You can load it down here:

variableone.com/maps/newcrash.zip (1.5mb)

Here's a Twitter-post with a few more details:

https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1211331998968619008

>> No.6100362

>>6100314
YeY!

>> No.6100378

>>6100265
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read. They can't un-open source it.

>> No.6100384

>>6100314
>play on q2rtx
>"uwu" of all things is chrome

>> No.6100389 [DELETED] 

Half life is not a retro fps and never will be because it's cinematic and linear.>>6099568
It doesn't belong on /vr/.
It's objectively inferior to old school fps and no amount of zoomer whining will change that.

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>>6100384
Play on Q2XP and YamagiQ2
Everything is right in this world as Carmack wanted it

>> No.6100415 [DELETED] 

@6100389
The only person whining is you dude.

>> No.6100419 [DELETED] 

I'm tired of retards thinking hl is as good as doom, quake, unreal, blood or duke.
You can't defend a game that ruined fps level design.

>> No.6100424 [DELETED] 

>>6100419
Take your pills, Alf

>> No.6100427

>>6100384
Pic or it didn't happen.

>> No.6100431

>>6100419
Blaming Half-Life for linear design is like blaming Halo for the 2 weapon limit. It's not the fault of those games, it's the fault of every developer who decided to imitate it, even when it didn't suit the game they were making.

>> No.6100432 [DELETED] 

>>6100424
Prove me wrong.

>> No.6100435

Don't feed the HL troll, just report him.

>> No.6100436

>>6100432
I've got better things to do with my spare time, thank you

>> No.6100442 [DELETED] 

Every fps should have exploration and non linear level design.
Cope.

>> No.6100461

Should I have red dynamite, or should I go for a more 'realistic' looking brown?

>> No.6100464

>>6100461
Red. It's a lot easier to see and it's a lot easier to read as "dynamite"

>> No.6100469

>>6099212
Hell no

>> No.6100493

>>6100064
>it's like they jumped in because it's popular and try to gain attention.
That's what they do. Reddit calls them 'karma whores', or 'power users' or something, they love getting those sweet sweet upboats, and the infrastructure of the site enables their behavior.
The way I understand is that they're like awful tripfags and everybody hates them, but there's a hundred times more of them and they're everywhere.
On Twitter, you have some similar behavior, where fuckwits want all them likes and retweets.

Both leads to tremendous amounts of insipid memespewing, and less and less discussion. r/doom I think actually talk about the games to a degree, while Doom Twitter is goddamn wasteland, with the rare oasis of relief.

I have a fair dislike against putting a numeric score on what's supposed to be a discussion or social interraction, it enables needlessly primitive behavior.

>> No.6100495 [DELETED] 

LINEAR GOOD
NON LINEAR BAD
MAZES BAD
ME LIKE CINEMATIC SHOOTERS
ME HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE

>> No.6100506

>>6100495
>ME HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE
We knew that already, but thanks for clarifying that anyway

>> No.6100514 [DELETED] 

>>6100506
Keep defending linear fps.

>> No.6100519
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6100519

Ignore the anti-HL fag, report anti-HL fag.

>> No.6100528
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6100528

Nobody talking about those '01 duke leaks?
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/9930-dnf-2001-build-was-allegedly-almost-complete-but-it-probably-wasnt/page__view__findpost__p__334366

>> No.6100529 [DELETED] 

>>6100419
okay boomer. whatever you say.

>> No.6100531

>>6100519
Really strange hate boner considering there are much better objects of hate.

HL was not that different from unreal, kingpin or say something like sin, shogo etc, even fucking Quake 2. I t had a couple of levels, kept encounters fresh from beginning to end, with some scripting and in engine scripted scenes are even better than ingame cutscenes.

I still prefer Duke or Thief contained levels approach for sure but the guy sure has some issues.

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>>6100427
Just turn it up Q2RTX and see it by yourself
with Q2XP and Yamagi you have none of it

>>6100528
that nigger will continue teasing forever

>> No.6100538

It feels like Matthewmatosis did a better description of Doom than someone like Gggmanlives, who in comparison seemed more like the "retro fps" guy

>> No.6100546

>>6100535
I'm on a very non-RTX compatible laptop.

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>>6100314
>try to load it
>server does not have this file

>> No.6100548

>>6100528
It's Unreal engine right?

With some tweaks someone could probably finish it. But the first engine was a bit jank.
It might play like DX1.

>> No.6100558

>>6100547
I just downloaded it fine. What do you mean?

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6100567

>>6096902
I made an attempt at fixing it.

>> No.6100568
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>>6100558
I dunno, I downloaded it and put it into baseq2/maps but when I put map newcrash in the console this happens.

>> No.6100584

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKUCaLdevaU

>> No.6100590

>>6100568
Do you not have the full game?

>> No.6100601

>>6100590
I do, I just went and downloaded Q2 again from OP and the .pak files in baseq2 are identical to mine, still won't work.

>> No.6100626

Any good wads that are like Valiant or Eviternity?
In the sense that you're travelling through different themes and worlds
May or may not have a similar texture set because i'm not sure if some even use those textures

>> No.6100627

>>6100568
its working fine here and im loading the map via SQL2

>> No.6100659
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I've got this socket 370 board, but it's missing it's eprom chip. Can I replace this or is it trash?

>> No.6100680

>Caleb got in Samsara before Prisoner 849

>> No.6100690
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>>6100584

>> No.6100692 [DELETED] 

>>6100567
Take gordon out of the pic.

>> No.6100708

>>6099674
also consider this:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=56026

>> No.6100717

>>6100548
Correct. That same engine is what retail DNF runs on.

>> No.6100719

>>6100519
am i allowed to be anti-HL2?

>> No.6100721

>>6100719
>2004 game
NOT retro

>> No.6100725

>>6100721
Feels pretty retro given that it's old enough to be in highschool.

>> No.6100727

>>6100528
This makes me think; why weren't of Duke's lines ever shown in the old trailers before the 2011 version? Or even leaked somehow for that matter? Almost gives me the idea he would've been mute in the old builds somehow.

>> No.6100735

>>6100528
Looks great, exited to see how gearbox will ruin it

>> No.6100774

>>6100719
>Worse arsenal
>No wall running
>No classic sounds
>No Sven Co-op
Yes. HL2 was a step backwards

>> No.6100780

>>6100774
do you know what worse I can't always run in half life 2 because it's tied to the DAMN AUX meter

in half life I can run all the time

>> No.6100781

>>6100493
I feel r/doom and Doom Twitter are equally bad for different reasons.
I'm all for memes but when it starts devolving to the usual stuff it gets tiresome, it's like too much of a good thing.
God knows how many times I've seen memes about Doomguy killing demon girls,It was funny at first but it became repetitive and predictable, for example.

r/doom is filled with contrarians but Twitter is obsessed with him getting in Smash. I would like it too but they go too far and spam it nonstop.
Even the art part became weird, sick art barely gets attention unless the official account post it and overused meme, wholesome shit gets all of it, even the monster lewd shit.
It's less about the love for the franchise and more about following the trend.

>> No.6100782
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6100782

Recently replayed Turok 1 and 2.
They're more fun than I remember.
The OST is fire.

>> No.6100804

>>6100782
lol where's the dino turok from?

>> No.6100815

>>6100804
From a one shot story called Child of Blood, it's from the perspective of a Dinosoid

>> No.6100816
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Only 361 days too early.

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>back hurts from constant sitting over kb+m
>want to take a break from Doom, relax on couch with gamepad & some platformer
>decide to pick good ol' Keen
>find port named Commander Genius
>can't properly stretch to fullscreen, saves don't work

Here goes my evening

>> No.6100838

>>6100837
Play the Game Boy port.

>> No.6100883

>>6100781
That's why I appreciate Kurashiki so much, you can tell she just really likes the game, she draws pictures of landscapes, environments, and scenes from the games, even from pwads, and they're gorgeous to look at.
You aren't gonna find a lot of people in those mindless memester circles just drawing up a full picture of Doomguy squeezing past the exit bars in Map 16 (an actual exploit you can do), or a painting of an amazing setpiece like the lightbridge in Valiant.

Hell, how many people on those sites even play the games? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, at least Brutal kiddies play the game, they will go and look for maps they'd find enjoyable. Yeah, they only play BD/PB, but underneath all of that, there's still some actual Doom.

>> No.6100904

>>6100883
that's another thing that seperate those people from traditional fans
like, who else makes fireblu or startan jokes?
it feels like most people here and non recent fans are more likely to appreciate the sprites and textures in old doom, while new fans assume the series only got interesting because of "lore"

>> No.6100908

>>6100904
lore is always reddit bait for some reason

just look at what happened to siivagunner on youtube

>> No.6100938

>>6100883
Everything that gets popular has secondaries and they're always cancer. Don't stress over it.

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>>6100908
Lore can be cool as long is interesting and not right in your face.
It's something that used to make series like Star Wars intriguing but in the end it became part of its demise.
If there's more about their backstory than what we actually get to see them do,then your work is shit.

>siivagunner
Man I used to follow him back in 2016,it was something new and fresh but then it became oversaturated and lost its appeal,it became repetitive.

>>6100883
>>6100904
I love Kurashiki works,it's something that doesn't feel too sugary and manages to be silly as well,something that many can't replicate as she does.

I've mocked BD kiddies for long but in the end there's interest in the maps and gameplay,and after a while many moved to other mods which is the real meat of Doom.

I've seen people shipping Doomguy with Samus given how similiar they are,which was funny at first but they started doing it unironically,like dead serious.
Any sort of shipping but for comedic value is dumb,make your own OCs rather than make exisiting ones go out of character,you uncreative swine.

I swear if Doom Twitter gets to the point of going for shipping wars that will be the final nail in the coffin for that place.

>> No.6100976

What are some good Doom mods that make me feel like an action hero? I've already checked out Immoral Conduct, Final Doomer's Hellbound set, Trailblazer, and Burl Tumd.

>> No.6100991

>>6100976
DAKKA, maybe, with the dual pistol shooting and FULLER AUTO chaingunning

>> No.6100994

>>6100976
Duke Nuke v10
Kriegsland
Juvenile Power Fantasy

>> No.6101000

>>6100994
>Juvenile Power Fantasy
What a cruel anon you are, JPF is an australian shitpost pretending to be a mod.

>> No.6101005

>>6100938
I know.

>>6100950
>I swear if Doom Twitter gets to the point of going for shipping wars that will be the final nail in the coffin for that place.
Now I'm just imagining stupid shipping between the demons. Who'd pair up with Icon Of Sin?

>> No.6101013

>>6101000
But it's an awesome shitpost,mate.

>> No.6101019

>>6101013
Weapons are really lacking though, JPF's greatest strengths are the goofy monsters and the presentation, but the actual combat is fucking miserable

>> No.6101024

>>6101019
I feel they're satisfying to use and some of the power ups are cool,the problem is that it really needs more weapons and alt-fires.
That's a shame that Kinsie abandoned it.

>> No.6101035

>>6100626
Alfonzone (50 maps, 10 themed episodes)
Scythe 2 (6 themed episodes)

Themed episodes aren't rare in megawads but those have ones with around 5 maps each.

>> No.6101057

>>6101024
He probably abandoned it because he couldn't fix the combat. While the AI improvements are neat they tend to make the game unfun. Doom works better with more predictable monsters.

>> No.6101065

>>6101057
I feel some adjustments to the monsters would've made it work better.
The weaponry could've been expanded more,same for some extra melee attacks like flying kicks,slide and more.
It doesn't have much fantasy in it.

The title screens are amazing though.

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>>6101013
There are better shitpost mods.

>> No.6101080

>>6101075
Is this Lithium?

>> No.6101082
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If you had to make a Top 5 of best Retro Shooters soundtracks which one you would pick and why?

>> No.6101096

>>6101082
Doom 1 - its just kickass
Rise Of The Triad - pumps you up, similar vibe to NES/SNES music but in MIDI rock form
Blood (MIDI not CD) - great spooky tracks that can fade into the background but are memorable in their own right
Powerslave/Exhumed - very fun and memorable, captures the Egyptian atmosphere well
Quake - more experimental/dissonant than any other soundtracks, perfectly moody for the game

>> No.6101101

>>6101065
The adjustments would be to make them dumber and maybe a bit slower. The problem is that if you make the AI too fast and too good, you can't have fast paced action gameplay because players get skewered. JPF wants to have monsters that would honestly fit better in HD than anything like what its gameplay wants to be. Aggression is one thing, accuracy + reflexes + smarts is quite another. Fast run and gun gameplay with low margin of error feels like shit when you're against enemies that can fuck you up easy through no real fault of your own besides daring to try to play in the way that's most fun.

>> No.6101112

>>6101082
I would pick:

1) Ultimate Doom
2) Doom II
3) Rise of the Triad
4) Blood
5) Duke Nukem

>> No.6101115

>>6101101
That's something it would fit more with Project MSX,another mod that tried to be more tough despite the recharging health.
When you want to go for a Power Fantasy you want to go all out with the action and not being restricted.
I still like the mod but this is really an issue.

>> No.6101118

>>6101115
Yeah MSX is a good example actually. The reason it absolutely needs regenerating health to work is because the enemies can and will fuck your shit up with laser precision and 0 reaction time, so you can't really avoid a lot of chip damage. Technically in MSX's case I'm pretty sure that the shields came first then the enemies were made around them, but you could start with the enemies first and come to "shields" as a logical conclusion of how to balance them out.

>> No.6101123

>>6101082
I think Unreal Quake and Thief are really cool, but 2 later ones are more ambiance.


For some reason Doom tunes never got to me.

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>>6101080
Yes.

>> No.6101135

>>6101124
>playing broken things that will never be finished
Why would you do this to yourself?

>> No.6101141

>>6101135
I'm bored. There's also not a lot of other things like that.

>> No.6101142

>>6101141
Just play EYE again, it'll be less painful in the long run.

>> No.6101151

>>6101118
I wasn't a fan of the recharging health at first but that's pretty much the best way to deal against such enemies.
Relying too much on health packs would be tedious.
Here we are talking about an abandoned mod to another,I wonder what the anon did with Project MSXfix'd

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>>6100567

>> No.6101157

>>6101151
Probably got hit with the same curse that everyone who makes a good mod gets hit with and got isekai'd into having a life.

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Animating shit in TEXTURES is still satisfying, though I need to tweak the frames themselves because it lacks punch.
Feels good to finally these in game though

>> No.6101161

>>6101142
To be fair, EYE is also sort of a broken thing that will never be finished. Except it doesn't have galactic fuckload of maps you can load with it. Or maybe it does, but I've got no idea where to look.

>> No.6101165

>>6101082
in pursuit of greed - go listen to andrew sega's music right fucking now
rise of the triad - the obvious pick
quake 2 - you know why this one's here too
descent - very well balanced soundtrack. lots of variety in themes and instruments, you've probably heard the tracks scattered across dozens of pwads and would never guess they're all from one game.
douk - lee jackson and bobby prince do their thing again but bobby prince pulls his weight this time

>> No.6101169

>>6101152
what the fuck is this abomination

>> No.6101171

inb4 someone says doom secondaries and posers are why metadoom ins't popular

>> No.6101174

>>6101171
Metadoom isn't that popular because its gameplay is mediocre.

>> No.6101175

>>6101171
Metadoom isn't popular because it's a randomizer regardless of how well it's made (which means it competes with complex) and because >>6101174, it doesn't do anything particularly standout in terms of gameplay. The weapons feel a bit weak and seem to use too much ammo but are well animated and have good sounds. The enemies are fine with the exception of the 3D model rips. The scoring system is dumb but whatever. It's just a really nonoffensive and safe mod.

>> No.6101189

Hell in Doom having that mix of stuff sort of justifies the looks of demons, whenever they don't look "demonic" enough, meaning even if the Carcass from Eternal looks like a Strogg, he can be compared to the Spiderdemons and Mancs at least.
Like, id Software could have easily made an actual mostly "rocky" Hell like in 2016 or a game about actual aliens to justify some enemy designs, but instead, the way how they set up the idea of Hell in Doom means they already established the series' portrayal of it.
It seems obvious but some people don't notice it as much.
I guess that means at least 2016's Hell being basic fits the less colorfull and chitin/shell heavy creatures, along with most of them not being purely made in Hell.
I expect Eternal to bring back some props but give them "lore" which can cause restricted uses like the flesh corruption just being there because of a gore nest being built, so it's not in Hell.
I also wonder how Hell possibly borrowing from Doom 64 will work when the cultist/sentinel worlds also seem to go for a Quake inspired/gothic direction.

>> No.6101192

>>6096867
What if the next Quake game gets made on the Frostbite or CRY engine?

>> No.6101196

>>6101189
Also, another reason why Doom lore videos suck is when they put up with shit like "Can Kratos/Master Chief/Thanos/Samus/Goku surive Doom's Hell?" and it doesn't focus on what makes classic Hell cool.
Like, can they handle FIREBLU fucking up the framerate or TNT's Last Call?

>> No.6101204

>>6101189
>>6101196
Also, the fact that they turned Doomguy's self insert aspect into him being "mysterious" means they could have done the same with the lack of story, meaning the setting itself could work for not having a lot to explain.
Specially if you were to build up Hell as being some sort of eldritch sort of Hell.

>> No.6101218

>>6101189
Doom is just darksiders now.

>> No.6101239

Come on /vr/ lets play a coop server on Doomseeker, there's no good servers right now

>> No.6101246

metadoom is the kind of mod that capitalized on a concept noone really tried before and did it better, as far as anyone knows, but at the same times may suffer from trying to be "too good" for its own good
the amount of content and polish makes it feel like a test mod, even when it tries to be as balanced and "non gamebrakey" as possible, so it tries to be stuck in some odd middleground
the mix of art styles can be kinda justified, since this is before d4v had proper summoner/cyberfatso sprites (and then later borrowred the mash up spiderdemon design) and i don't think anyone was interested enough to draw better sprites for this mod besides maybe drpyspy (and because it's a kinsie mod)
some of the stuff just being there for a reference or nod to something also shows another example of "too much polish" and when something almost feels like it's better than it actually is
the mod may have some features that aren't that common in other mods (some could actually be good like the optional actor/prop replacements) but besides maybe intermission screens zscript documentation, not even kinsie brings up the mod ever doing some sort of milestone
still surprised not even a single clickbait dedicated website or shameless youtubers that came around the time of doom eternal's gameplay reveal even touched upon the mod, pretending to care about its theme and how much they clap at doom references, because i can assume the mod would blow their cover when doom 64 was considered obscure by most people that weren't into doom
metadoom could have gone a path like samsara/brutal doom/reelism in the sense it could rely on addons and off shot mods to expand on the concept/fix things up
there's is some potential, sometimes, too much potential
at least the effort and detail of the mod might make it the best doom tribute, even if far from the best doom mod, and it's a contrast to whenever someone wants doomguy in smash but comes up with awful representation ideas, you'd prefer him gone

>> No.6101248

>>6101239
i'd rather do traditional DM

>> No.6101250

>>6101248
DM suck if you're not an autist who has every map memorized because you just die every 3 seconds.

>> No.6101259

>>6101218
Please, say it ain't so
Darksiders to me feels like a watered down Warcraft, which itself is watered down Warhammer
The gameplay itself seems alright, but I just can't get over the generic MOBA/mobile game artstyle

>> No.6101262

>>6101250
>muh tism
the first time i played duel40 I got the hang of each new map i played in about 15 seconds average

>> No.6101263

>>6101259
I was just kidding, I like Darksiders, its simple and honest. Never cared for Warcraft bullshit.

But its pretty clear Doom in their hands is just sci fi fantasy. Its not HELL, it's safe tame gaming hell. maybe some evil angels here and there maybe, some nephilim what ya know and stuff.

>> No.6101270

>>6101263
They should've gone all out and made explicit statements that Heaven and Hell were the actual biblical ones, and not just "oh they're strange beings from another place," and the angels and demons were actual biblical angels and demons instead of knockoff Giger things and chitin. It might have caused some controversy, but it's not like Doom as a series would be new to some.

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>>6101263
>But its pretty clear Doom in their hands is just sci fi fantasy. Its not HELL, it's safe tame gaming hell. maybe some evil angels here and there maybe, some nephilim what ya know and stuff.
That's a reason to worry about Heaven in Doom, because a general way to portray Heaven is in a similar way to how the classic games did Hell.
Instead, Eternal might build it up in a way it feels like it belongs in a different game with maybe some bits feeling like Doom like a metal angel with an exposed brain.
For a series literally about Hell, they technically took that one important aspect superficially.
I guess it's because of the time and era of the original Doom and id's attitude.
This new id wouldn't be the ones to think of a weapon named "BFG".
Like, there are some neat ideas, but at the same time this isn't the definitive Doom universe or "art of Doom".
Fuck those guys from E3 trying to take credit for the creation of FPS games.

>> No.6101272

>>6101270
Its videogames they dont give e fuck.

But with 2016 and now very obviously with eternal there is a mixing of Hexen\Heretic, and Quake especially 2 in it.
I mean the Big Gun in the trailer fucks sake.

>> No.6101274

>>6101271
>spoiler
wait
Did some Bethesda guys actually try and say that? They were probably in diapers when the originals came out, and Doom didn't invent the genre anyway. Wasn't that Maze War?

>> No.6101278

anyone else have a quiet buzzing sound that plays constantly while zandronum is running, even when your system volume is all the way down?

>> No.6101283

>>6101274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSWZQC0BVvU
At like 1:02.
>IGN
I know, sorry,

>> No.6101285

>>6101278
That's your monitor famalam, get a new one.

>> No.6101289

>>6101283
>We are the inventors of the First Person Shooter, which is now the world's most popular form of gaming.
going to pretend that didn't enter my ears

>> No.6101294

>>6101289
Sounds like something someone would make as a joke.
Fucking TheBestGamers (If you even heard of them) made jokes about Bethesda creating RPG's and open world games.

>> No.6101301

>>6101294
we all know that todd is the nerd who spent his time playing Zork

>> No.6101309

>>6100169
>the port wont even run AD and so on.
so what? It's literally just a tech demo

>> No.6101349

>>6096880
Run for it
https://youtu.be/LE96VqwW2zs

>> No.6101436

>>6100493
>Both leads to tremendous amounts of insipid memespewing, and less and less discussion. r/doom I think actually talk about the games to a degree, while Doom Twitter is goddamn wasteland, with the rare oasis of relief.
you should visit the doom facebook, you will like it

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>>6101165
>in pursuit of greed
>check the game
>source code got released in 2014
whoa, is there even a source port for this game?

>> No.6101450

>>6101448
not that i know of
real fuckin shame because the game suffers horrible control issues and other technical problems

>> No.6101576

Can anybody please put up a version of Sigil with the Buckethead music?
Is the Buckethead music compatible with WadSmoosh and can I change between the Buckethead and MIDI music?

Thanks in advance!

>> No.6101626

>>6100538
Gmanlives honestly just comes across as someone who pretends to be a huge fan of Doom for street cred.

>> No.6101629

>>6101576
>WadSmoosh
What is this?

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I'm really happy how this turned out

>>>/wsg/3219619

>> No.6101730

>>6100680
She's never going to make it in

>> No.6101747

>>6101196
You mean FIREBLU fucking up the bitrate? That's just encoding on video/stream, not in the game itself.

>> No.6101751

>>6101436
I would honestly rather gargle a Shambler's taint than sign up for a Facebook account.

>> No.6101756

>>6101448
>in pursuit of greed
unfortunately source ports only seem to get made when theres enough of a community to get some code dude to actually compile it into something modern, hence why some games either have terrible source ports or none, cus no one else cares enough to devote the time

>> No.6101779

>>6101756
RoTT isn't particularly popular, but Kaiser is noodling away at a proper sourceport for it (in spite of not even liking the game), so who knows, maybe IPG will get that treatment some day.

https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1210366543378440193?s=20

>> No.6101794

where is hexen? I foundly only 2

>> No.6101798

>>6101794
nvm its under wads only

>> No.6101824

>>6101169
DarkPlaces Ranger
All HD moddeled, slathered with PBR textures

>> No.6101828

>>6101824
What's wrong with his face

>> No.6101836

>>6101828
I am guessing all that bloom in Darkplaces did its toll on his eyes

>> No.6101838

>>6101828
sunken eyes paired with realistic shadows and ambient occlusion

>> No.6101839

>>6101838
*real time shadows
not realistic shadows

>> No.6101857

>>6101836
I'm guessing it's pretty UV heavy light given his skin looks like an abused leather sofa. It's like those people who spend their lives under a tanning bed and wind up with a face like a punched handbag by the time they're 40

>> No.6101885

>>6101349
Whats new about it?

>> No.6101886

>>6101174
All mods ins't popular, except Brutal / PB

>> No.6101913

>>6101838
Nothing about him looks slightly realistic, he looks like, well, he looks like an abused leather couch, just like anon said.
You could base a horror movie monster on this visual.

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>>6101913
I didn't mean it was literally realistic.
I meant it looked like a result of a typical "Ultra HD Realistic 4K PBR Texture Remodelling Quake Remake 2019" mod that run on Dark Places.

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>>6101939

>> No.6101984

Happy +1, Doomoids.
Keep the spirit alive. See you whenever GZDoom catches my fancy again.

>> No.6101995

>>6101283
>We own the games, so that means we're the inventors
Fuck sake.

>> No.6102003

>>6096867
Pls new thread

>> No.6102007

>>6102003
Happy New Years Thread

TWO

>> No.6102021
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New Thread

>>6102017
>>6102017
>>6102017

New Thread

>> No.6102032

>>6101828
side effects of fighting lovecraft inspired monsters

>> No.6102061

>>6102021
soo toon

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>>6101995
>>6101283
>>6101274
>>6101271

>> No.6102291

>>6100717
No it isn't. DNF runs on Unreal 2.5 with a custom renderer.

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