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The only thing that I know about this game is that it's very long (over a 100 hours to beat) and that there is an optional boss battle with God himself. Also I want to play the PS1 version of the game, but how does the remake on the 3DS differ? Thoughts on the game in general?

>> No.6086868
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6086868

Only worth playing if you've played other Dragon Quest games and just can't get enough. You have to be absolutely in love with the series to appreciate this game.

>> No.6086869

Did Akira Toriyama do the art work for dq7?

>> No.6086891

>>6086868
This. It has the DQ nostalgia angle going for it, but it's otherwise a rather standard rpg with a grindy system, slightly above-average plot and below-average graphics (even for it's own era). Pacing is rather grueling too. It's been a damn long time, but I remember that you didn't even get into the first battle until a little over an hour, and I think I had a little over a dozen hours in before I was finally able to unlock and pick classes for my party. And it just keeps going...and going...and going...

I remember getting about 50 hours in and getting stuck on a boss, so I finally caved and looked up a walkthrough.....to find that I was barely over a third of the way through the game.

Had to drop the game right then and there.

>> No.6086907

>>6086852
it's shit, a timesink with shallow gameplay, shallow story and shallow level design. It's a prime example of the JRPG, one of the worst genres ever made.

>> No.6086908

>>6086852
it's my favorite dragon quest. it's cute, I like the characters, there's a lot of stuff to see and do, and the class system is fun (grindy though). my brain is broken and I'm into games like this, so I don't recommend it to the average player for similar reasons above.

the 3DS remake streamlines some portions of the game, including removing the entire first dungeon, walking between rooms in the ruins, and making it easier to find "tablet shards". it also changes how skills work for the class system.

>> No.6086934

I don’t know why it was made the way it was. No other DQ is comparatively as long for the era it was made in. It kind of seems like they did it just to do it.

>> No.6086939

>>6086852
I chugged through the entire thing as a 12-year old and loved it then but was also a total autismo with all the time in the world though and went out of my way to grind as many classes as possible. I was also dumb on top of that, and got stuck many times which was the only justification for my 72 hour playthrough - I honestly have no idea how people clocked 100+ on this game unless they were also just as dumb.

If you go through it as an adult, you might find that the class system is a bit underutilized and largely unnecessary, with no pressure at all on mastering things at all and that the pacing is only truly thrown off due to the hunt for "tablets" you need to progress into future segments of the game.

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>>6086852
Honestly I prefer the remake. Cuts some fat from the original and makes it less grindy. As a DQ fan it's my second favorite after III but it does feel like a commitment to do a playthrough.

>> No.6087124

>>6086869
Only the main characters and some of the monsters.

>> No.6087152

Thought the 3ds remake was pretty great. Long af, but pretty easy to divide up without getting too lost

>> No.6087157

>Worst game has best girl
>Best girl can be glitched out of your party permanently
Fuck DQ7 desu.

>> No.6087179

Depending on what you love about Dragon Quest as a series it's either the most Dragon Quest out of the Dragon Quest games or the least Dragon Quest. The whole idea is moving towards more of a vignette style of story telling. With tons of smaller stories some linking together some by themselves. With the main quest being kind of sprinkled around as you are progressing through the whole game. Think of it more like original Dragon Ball. With each island being a saga or arc. I personally find it one of my favorite game in the series but I can understand why people dislike it. Like with most thing Dragon Quest it loves taking it's time but since the main story isn't even really talked about until 20 hours in it really hard for you to care about what you are doing unless you are weirdly into the whole vignette style of storytelling which I am.

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>>6086869
Yes, it looks weird because he was changing from paper to digital, many manga he did in the late 90s look like this.
I personally like DQ7, long as fuck, many classes, the characters are great (Maribel a cute), the stories in the new towns are fun and some are even very sad.
Perfect? far from it.

>> No.6087596

>>6086891
You just described every Dragon Quest game.

>> No.6087753

>>6086891
Don't try to review games you don't even know.

>> No.6087756

>>6087179
This.

>> No.6087923

>>6087753
Found the guy that only played the DS version.

Why don't you take your own advice.

>> No.6087936

>>6087596
DQ8 is the only one I recommend to people and if they like that I tell them to go play DQ5 and see if they like the classic ones

>> No.6087941

>>6086852
Game is semi-episodic and best played over the course of many months, doing a "chapter" here and there.

>> No.6087952

>>6087936
If they'll like DQ8, they'll like DQ11, but otherwise I agree. The series is not for everybody.

>> No.6087953

>>6086891
How the fuck do you get stuck on a boss in DQ

>> No.6087956

I liked the 3ds por, but I haven't played the original. It's one of my favorites, but you need to be a DQ fan to begin with.

>> No.6087960

>>6087952
I have a really hard time dealing with super-deformed Trunks personally

because he looks almost exactly like Trunks, and Trunks has the exact same height and body proportion as the DQ8 hero, but hero in DQ11 has these sort of cartoon proportions that instantly throw me into uncanny valley.

So I usually try not to mention DQ11

>> No.6088153

It has some of the best writing I have ever seen in a JRPG and I always found it odd people didn't talk about that aspect more when discussing the game.

>> No.6088165

>>6088153
Ehh....what? It doesn't even have the best writing of the series, much less the sub-genre...

>> No.6088173

>>6088165
Ok faggot.

>> No.6088183

The feeling of adventure that this game tries to convey is undermined by the excess of recycled assets (specially character models and buildings) and ugly graphics, repetitive music, boring layout of dungeons/villages and grindy mechanics. The story is good for an old JRPG (which doesnt mean much, lets be honest here), but thats it.

>> No.6088240

>>6086852
The last in the series to have a good English translation.

>> No.6089226

>>6088153
I don't talk about it because there's no convincing retards and children that the folksy writing in DQ is better than their anime trash but you're right.

>> No.6089229

I tried to get into Dragon Quest with 7 in the mid 2000s. Didn't like anything about it and dropped it about 6-7 hours in. Well, the 16bit style combat sprites were nice I guess.

>> No.6090659

>>6088153
>>6089226

Did the DS version get some sort of overhaul or something? because I don't remember the PS version being anything special...

>> No.6090667

>>6088165
You weren't paying attention. 7 is by far the most poignant DQ. Some things hurt to remember. Seven is DQ for grown -ups.

>> No.6090682

>>6086852
Lord Farquaad lookin ass nigga

>> No.6091173

>>6090682
kill yourself.
Irresponsible use of ironic ebonics directly causes racism and hate crimes.

>> No.6091175

>>6089226
It is not.

>> No.6091197

>>6086852
writing is pretty good, but too much filler and disastrous pacing

>> No.6091247

>>6086868
Not at all. I had no nostalgia for the series and didn't really think that much of the ones I played before (DQ1 & DQ8) but absolutely love DQ7.
The whole vignette things it does is just great and the changed re-treads make it even better.

>> No.6091551

The japanese TV ad is kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS6qmw-qli8

>> No.6091734

>>6090667
>Seven is DQ for grown -ups.

Get over yourself, faggot. DQs primary target audience has always been children. The older nostalgiafag crowd has always been secondary.

Poignant? Hurt to remember?

Fucking hell, read some actual fucking books and develop some fucking standards.

Look, I found the game fun, but to pretentiously put on airs that it was some deep and nuanced story just because the writing was better than your average Final Fantasy game? Give me a fucking break.

>> No.6091883

>>6091734
Just look at this trigggered boy calling people faggots. DQ 7 is not for children like him.

>> No.6091908

>>6091734
What's a milk-drinker like (You) doing out here? Go home to you mother!

>> No.6093301

>>6089226
>folksy writing
Found the faggot who only played the crappy 3DS version.

>> No.6094138

playing it rn and it's episodic like 9 but not as memorable as 9. why does everyone hate DW9?

>> No.6094198

>>6091734
spotted the seething manchild that thinks he's holier then thou and thus preaches at people at things he's not part of... you'll never be part of the mature adults that play this game no go seethe more and punch your drywall in rage lil bitch

>> No.6094235

how ass is DQXI 3DS on a scale of uglier regular version to just play VIII instead

>> No.6094243

>>6094138
Seven is the most memorable, if you know, you actually play it.

>> No.6094341

>>6091734
This child spazzing upon hearing something is not for him is just PRECIOUS.
>Fucking hell, read some actual fucking books
Wew lad.

>> No.6094390

>>6091734
Love how you triggered them into samefagging like a sperg.

>> No.6094405
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6094405

I need some input from hard core DQ fans. I finally want to dive into the DQ universe and right now 1-3 are pretty cheap on the eshop. What do you guys think about the updated ones that the eshop sells? Should I be a purist and play the originals without the updated look?

Do you guys recommend starting at 1? I was thinking of going straight to 3 but I don’t know. I would love some input.

>> No.6094439

>>6094405
get the updated ones unless you dont mind playing the nes versions.... desu I play the gameboy color ones over the nes ones tho I personally prefer the nes graphics for reasons. ultimately it's up to you. also dq1 is a slog to play thru but can be fairly decent if you dont rush yourself and dont use guides for every little detail and just explore and take in the world.

>> No.6094632

>>6094405
3 is better after 1 & 2.

>> No.6094634

>>6094390
only samefags accuse others of samefagging tho

>> No.6094737

>>6094634
Or people with basic pattern recognition skills.

>> No.6094764

>>6094405
Based on what I've heard the console versions are based on the mobile version which is fine if a bit weird. SNES tends to be the version most say is the best way to play 1-3 (myself included) but if you want to play DQ1-3 mobile/console should be fine.

DQ1 is most of a proof of concept of how to do a JRPG with exploring and diving into dungeons of items. 99% of it however is just pure grinding.

DQ2 expands upon DQ1 by an insane degree. Party members, better selection of spells, more items to bounce around, ect. But as you play it you can feel it was a bit rushed since it's not really balanced well. And trying to explore just become tiresome.

DQ3 however is where everything comes together in one of the best JRPG ever made.

The only reason to play the NES is for the grinding honestly. SNES/mobile just lowers the EXP requirement so it's not like you are ruining yourself for not playing the NES version.

>> No.6094848

>>6086852
PS1 version is the one I played last year, and I loved this game, its currently my 3rd favorite in the series. (was 2nd favorite before XI came out)

3DS version cuts down on the content of the game to shorten it, resulting in the player missing out on absolute kino like at the start of the game, where it takes almost 2 hours before you get your first random battle, and it really gets you invested, sure, any RPG can just be peaceful and then suddenly monster encounters happen within minutes of starting the game (Secret of Mana for example) but in DQ7 on PS1, you get to really feel that there are no monsters, 2 hours of just walking around and talking to people, and investigating some mysterious ruins, before you end up sending yourself to the past, and encountering monsters for the first time in these character's lives, because of how long the game goes without an encounter, I feel like the build-up works really well, and you can understand the shock they must be feeling. Its a small thing, but its something that I really love about it

Another thing the 3DS removes in the in battle party chat, which is a real shame, because that was something that was very charming to use. If someone killed a monster, other party members would praise them if you talked to them mid battle, and if someone got killed and then you talk to your other party members, they will be shocked and in disbelief that the character is dead. You could even give monsters a free turn against you if you talked too many times in one turn, which was another factor that made it really fun to use, it was really immersive imo.

On the bright side for the 3DS version, it made classes easier to level up, fragments are easier to find, and encounters are visible on the field, but this is a double-edged sword, since the hallways of dungeons are so tight that its impossible to avoid encounters in them, which can lead to cases where the encounter rate ends up being higher than the PS1's random battles.

>> No.6094936

>>6093301
No, I played the Japanese PS version and speak both English and Japanese well enough to accurately describe the tone as folksy.

>> No.6095145

>>6094405
Play in release order. All of the mainline games except X have some version of them with a "modern" translation, so if you value consistency above all else, the eshop & mobile versions of 1-3 are what you want to play. Every version past the original NES 1&2 have been made less grindy/easier in some way. eshop versions have ugly fucked up art though, and mobile has shitty mobile controls, so I personally prefer SNES fantranslations of 1-3 or GBC remakes of 1-2. Both fantranslations for 1-2 have a few bugs, and the version of 2's that I played had multiple softlocks present, so be warned. GBC remakes for 1-2 are good, if you can deal with the typical GBC things like smaller screen size. Also 3's SNES remake w/ fan translation is virtually perfect, and has things missing from all other versions like animated battle sprites (this includes the eshop version). It's Important to note that the SNES remake adds a TON of shit that wasn't in the original game. New classes, equipment, etc.

As for the games themselves, 1 is awesome. For some reason people shit on it for being grindy, but the only time I had to grind in 1 SNES was right before the final boss. Having 1 party member is weird but cool, and exploration is better than a lot of later titles.
2 is excellent, until you get to a certain point where it drags hard. It's also very difficult. It's probably the game with the most unmitigatable bullshit, but it's still pretty fun.
3 is the best. Just play it, shit's great.

>> No.6095254

>>6095145
>>6094764
>>6094632
Thanks, y’all. Starting 1 tonight.

>> No.6095284

Boring as fuck

>> No.6095307

>>6094764
snes 3 is the best experience looks the best

>> No.6095354

>>6095254
You'll finish 1 in less than a day as long as you make good use of your first offensive spell as soon as you get it (level 4) then save up 1.5k for the second best sword money can buy.

>> No.6095687

>>6095307
Agree but just saying mobile/new console versions is bad. The main issue is really how the models look. Characters and monsters look bad. Not FF6 mobile bad by a long shot but still not great. But if he wishes to enjoy playing it on a modern console it's not bad.
>>6095354
Sleep is easily very useful when you are trying to get to the south east area. But yeah DQ1 is very short. If you know what you are doing might take you an afternoon if not maybe a weekend. It actually does a decent job pointing you what your objectives are and how to do them. Just up to you to remember them and execute them.

>> No.6095705

>>6086891
kek

>> No.6096002

>>6095687
>>6095354
sleep is horrendously OP in the original and you can easily cheese out the knight in damdara with it and get erdrick's armor super early. it is very nerfed in the super famicom and up versions

>> No.6096067

>>6094405
>I was thinking of going straight to 3
Absolutley do not play 3 before 1. 2 isn't really important in the grand scheme of things, but experiencing the world of 1 is integral to the the final stretch of 3.

As for your actual question, I am a puristfag so I have to tell you that real men do not play remakes.

>> No.6096286

>>6096067
Might as well have just outright spoiled the game for him if you're gonna be that specific