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First Person Dungeon Crawlers Anonymous Mon Dec 16 06:44:38 2019 No.6075230 [Reply] [Original]

Let's have a thread dedicated to the best genre of RPG, what ones were the best? which ones did things differently then others? What were some of your favorite characters that you made? Etc etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 06:50:07 2019 No.6075232 >>6075230 >Grimoire not retro Eye of the Beholder II is the best for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 06:51:58 2019 No.6075235 File: 152 KB, 640x400, stone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FUCK OUT THE WAYYYYYYY

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 06:52:40 2019 No.6075236 >>6075232 Grimoire began development in 1997, it counts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 06:58:31 2019 No.6075240 >>6075236 Damn, 20 years in dev.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:12:16 2019 No.6075249 >>6075236 >worked for SirTech no wonder it looks like Wizardry 7

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:15:26 2019 No.6075251 >>6075230 Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2 are unironically the best blobby scoots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:22:15 2019 No.6075256 >>6075251 not retro

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:26:41 2019 No.6075258 >>6075236 Yeah, same year as Duke Nukem Forever was announced. That means we can now discuss it here, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:27:41 2019 No.6075261 >>6075256 Neither is grimoire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:34:53 2019 No.6075264 >>6075236 It didn't come out 20 years ago so, no, it fucking doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:38:22 2019 No.6075269 >>6075261 i already said that >>6075232

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 07:40:00 2019 No.6075271 >>6075264 Doesn't run on any retro OS either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 08:02:29 2019 No.6075285 >>6075258 >>6075264 I bet you guys have no problems discussing previously-unreleased ROM dumps here

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 13:22:50 2019 No.6075694 >>6075264 There's a playable 1998 version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 15:18:16 2019 No.6075950 File: 22 KB, 538x578, Jucika think.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6075230 Which of the original Might and Magic games are recommended to play and which ports/versions should I play for the older ones (1-3)?

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 05:24:05 2019 No.6077293

>>6075950
Might and Magic World of Xeen is the best of the pre-mm6 games
mm1 has a nes version and mm2 has a snes version, but I recommend starting out with Might and Magic 3 since the first two games are not really that important, unless you're an rpg historian and want to play them for curiosity's sake

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 05:30:41 2019 No.6077296 >>6075950 M&M1 is my favorite, it actually feels like an expansion of Wizardry rather than an introduction to the genre for babies. Play the Mac version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 06:21:53 2019 No.6077343 Dungeon Master 2. I think it was my first pc game ever so i hold it dear. The atmosphere is amazing

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 09:22:15 2019 No.6077532 >>6075950 It's worth playing a computer version of MM1 and MM2 simply because MM2's beginning is notoriously annoying if you aren't playing with a party imported from MM1.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 10:43:27 2019 No.6077617

>>6077532
I'm not sure if M&M2 is worth playing. They just went full retard with the numeric bonuses going up to 63.
I wouldn't advocate playing the FC version of M&M1 either. The PCE-CD seems alright if you know Japanese and can live with a fixed party.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 16:49:28 2019 No.6078257
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>>6075230
I was absolutely hooked on the original Might & Magic series due to baby duck syndrome. The original came out in 1986, and it was only just last year I played through every single game... again.
It's satisfying, but slightly disappointing, to see those finishing screens inviting you to submit your score to a company that no longer exists.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 16:57:28 2019 No.6078269

>>6075950
I played M&M1 on the C64 - the machine it was originally developed for, IIRC. I recommend it.
M&M2 gets a bit slow on the '64, and disk swapping gets out of control - but the PC version has awful graphics and sound. Was there an Amiga (or other 16-bit contemporary with decent graphics/RAM) port? They might be the choice.
From M&M3 onwards, the PC version is perfectly fine. M&M3 goes a bit screwball with its timing loops, so an early-model 386 with VGA and wavetable sound card is what I'd recommend.
M&M4 and 5 don't need much special done. I've run them with a DOS boot disk on a Pentium III (last time I put it on bare metal), and they behaved exactly as they did on my 486DX2-66 that I first played them on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 17:14:43 2019 No.6078284 >>6075264 >>6075271 The DOS demo is most definitely /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:08:24 2019 No.6078353 >>6075251 The thing I hate about these blobbers is how you're basically play kiting the entire time. I can't imagine 4 people glued together walking in sync without thinking about Monty Python.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:10:17 2019 No.6078358 >>6075230 Are there any games in this genre that has good art? They are all so fucking ugly to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:43:59 2019 No.6078452 >>6075950 >>6075950 MM2 plays well on Sega. SNES port is pretty buggy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:44:39 2019 No.6078990 >>6075258 I welcome all edge cases in /vr/, don't make them go to the other board

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:00:29 2019 No.6079075 >>6078358 I like that Grim Wah art, actually looks better than I expected. Is that monster animated?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:03:48 2019 No.6079789 >>6075256 No one cares.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:04:51 2019 No.6079792 >>6075950 MM1 - NES MM2 - Genesis MM3 - DOS

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:42:30 2019 No.6080073 >>6078990 No, /vr/ isn't the dumping ground because /v/irgins turned /v/ into a shithole. >>6075285 If it runs on a retro platform, it's retro. Otherwise we couldn't discuss romhacks or mods of retro games.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 18:51:29 2019 No.6080737
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Recently bought Eye of the Beholder on GOG. I don't have much time (or actually will) to draw my own maps but I also don't want to use completely revealed maps from the get go so...
What are your thoughts about All Seeing Eye?

https://ase.zorbus.net/

It's an automapper for the first two EOB games, they fill out as you explore so you still gotta discover shit by yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 19:00:05 2019 No.6080749 Where can I buy the first 5 Wizardry games for PC? Or which are the best versions of those? GOG only has 6 to 8.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 19:01:07 2019 No.6080753 >>6075950 I'd recomment buying the entire series on GOG. A lot of games are on sale right now. Buy up to M&M8.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 19:10:47 2019 No.6080761 >>6079792 What about the PC versions of MM1 and 2?

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 19:19:55 2019 No.6080776

>>6080737
I've never played EoB so someone else will have to give the details, but it varies by game how drastic the effect is of adding auto-mapping to a game designed around manual mapping.
With something like Wizardry or Bard's Tale, which have lots of map-confusion gimmicks, successfully mapping without getting lost is the majority of the gameplay, so adding auto-mapping (or just using full maps) destroys the game.
But if EoB doesn't really have mapping challenges to begin with (e.g. maybe it's all about combat and puzzle-solving instead, like modern built-in auto-map games tend to be) then it could be fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 21:15:20 2019 No.6080956 >>6075235 Stonekeep really is the best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:22:24 2019 No.6081108 Wow you guys remember sape posting? that was fun for a couple of days. It was actually the only fun that anyone ever had with this game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:39:57 2019 No.6081138 File: 25 KB, 292x341, AnvilofDawnCover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6075230 You gotta git it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:41:27 2019 No.6081139 File: 124 KB, 800x798, 1235932158-00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6075230 The real Eye of the Beholder 3.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:52:34 2019 No.6081153 >>6075230 I love me some 3D dunglers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:03:14 2019 No.6081282 >>6081139 Tell me more about this one, seems interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:26:07 2019 No.6081329 >>6080749 You can't buy them for download. Get 1-4 for the PC98 and 5 for the FM Towns.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:28:03 2019 No.6081331 >>6080737 Give manual mapping a try. It doesn't really take time

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:49:56 2019 No.6081382 >>6080761 You mean IBM PC? It's really not the system of choice for many 80s games. Graphics aren't good and sound is often crap. Performance can also be worse than other 16 bit computers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:51:26 2019 No.6081386 File: 149 KB, 800x600, calvinJA2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6075249 >worked for SirTech Yeah, and he was such an insufferable cunt that they parodied him in Jagged Alliance 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:33:19 2019 No.6081702 >>6080737 I used it the last time I played EoB1 & EoB2 (full support for both with hints from the hint book + real time party + enemy movement). ASE support for EoB3 is limited.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:34:46 2019 No.6081704 >>6081282 Same studio with EoB 1 & 2. Similar UI.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:40:23 2019 No.6081714 >>6081386 >He's a joke of Cleve Blakemore, based on his personality. From a comment in JA wiki. What's wrong with him?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 07:46:54 2019 No.6081715 >>6081714 He's autistic. Like real autistic not 4chan autistic. He thinks he is descended from Homo Neanderthalensis who he believes are superior in intellect to Homo Sapiens.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:39:09 2019 No.6082007 >>6081382 I'm talking about the GOG versions of those games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:40:11 2019 No.6082012 >>6081702 And what do you think? Do you think using automappers is worse or more of a pleb than handdrawn mapping or are you fine with it?

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:24:05 2019 No.6082072

>>6082012
I completed EOB2 in 90's without drawing a map.
The dungeons are split into multiple floors and each floor is not too big.
I think there's only a few area where it's a bit confusing, like area with lots of tightly close teleporters.
You can leave some stuff on the floor so you know where you are when you step into a teleporter.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:25:44 2019 No.6082075
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Ive been on a huge first person dungeon crawler kick lately. this thread has great timing. I've been playing Lands of Lore and its pretty fucking good. It also has some voice acting from patrick stewart lol. Check this one out for sure if you're into the genre. Puzzles arent retard hard or anything, has an automap and they dont hide grey keys on fucking grey floor tiles.

>>6077343
im gonna agree with this guy to. Dungeon Master 2 also has a special place in my heart. Played it a bunch as a kid and basically got no where. I still have a physical copy of the game to. Also atmosphere in the game is top notch and super comfy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:27:52 2019 No.6082078 >>6082075 >Dungeon Master 2 Where I can buy it nowadays? I don't think I've seen it on GOG. Fuck Steam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 12:31:32 2019 No.6082084 >>6082078 I dunno if you can buy it any more? you might just be stuck downloading that shit unless you want to buy a disc off ebay or something. I had a physical copy still and just installed that shit from cd in dosbox.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 15:34:40 2019 No.6082318 >>6082078 I have not seen it listed at any retailer lately, you'd be better off downloading it from Abandonia (like I did) or somewhere along those lines

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 16:39:50 2019 No.6082401 >>6082078 It is on GOG that's where I got it. Just search for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 16:42:48 2019 No.6082409 >>6082401 OH GIT LANDS OF LORE 1+2 RIGHT NOW ON GOG. For 1.49 and you can get Lands of Lore 3 for 1.49 also.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 16:56:02 2019 No.6082429 >>6075256 doesn't change the fact

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 16:58:14 2019 No.6082432 File: 18 KB, 743x381, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6082401 Unless it's going by another name I can't find it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 17:07:34 2019 No.6082451 Sakura Dungeon anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 19:59:28 2019 No.6082731 >>6075235 yesssssssss. Also Anvil of Dawn and Shining in the Darkness

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 21:26:38 2019 No.6082842 >>6082078 My Abandonware, It's there with manuals and guide.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 21:30:29 2019 No.6082849 >>6082072 >leave some stuff on the floor so you know where you are Top 10 things automap gamers will never understand

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 22:53:17 2019 No.6082940 >>6082849 Some old games don't have automapper so you must improvise like sticking to one side of the wall or leaving stuff on the floor to mark you've been there. Having good memory helps too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 22:58:49 2019 No.6082947 >>6082401 >>6082432 It's in the wish list. Not available yet. https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/dungeon_master https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/dungeon_master_chaos_strikes_back https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/dungeon_master_2

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 23:17:06 2019 No.6082962 >>6075232 The game was 95% developed in 97-98 By your logic you can't talk about Star Fox 2 here either

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 03:14:23 2019 No.6083220 >>6081139 good game

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 03:54:01 2019 No.6083260 >>6081138 Great shit. >>6081139 Never played this, feel intrigued.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 05:17:54 2019 No.6083334 >>6080073 >If it runs on a retro platform, it's retro >>6078284

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 07:42:57 2019 No.6083432 >>6075251 >not Wizardry 8 pleb.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:36:01 2019 No.6085543
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This may sound like a pretty stupid question but how do you guys draw your maps? Do you just grab a normal notebook and start drawing in the middle? How do you manage space?
What happens when you fuck up or you have no sense of direction?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 11:58:38 2019 No.6085576 [SPOILER]

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>>6085543
I use an Onyx Boox Max3 eink tablet with its builtin note taking application.
I designed a bunch of background templates so I can map without having to write coordinates.
Obviously that's only suited for games with a fixed grid. Having some way to tell your coordinates like DUMAPIC is extremely useful.
When I played Wizardry 5 and 6 I used A3 grid paper (centers from exercise books) and tried to guess which direction things went. On occasion I had to copy the map to a new sheet and shift the center because I reached the end of the line.

Here's my current progress from Wizardry Gaiden 2. I'm wrapping up floor 11 after clearing the first half.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:05:16 2019 No.6085587 >>6085543 I bought Grid Cartographer, I was unsure about it at first but when you map for hours it's a blessing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:10:02 2019 No.6085596 >>6085587 >Grid Cartographer I'll see if PirateBay has any copies available. Is it not a hassle to constantly alt+tab for every step or corner turn?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:11:43 2019 No.6085598 >>6075232 killyourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:12:05 2019 No.6085601 >>6085596 >Is it not a hassle to constantly alt+tab for every step or corner turn? eh, while going through Wiz I got used to it quickly. If you are fine with automap, many games also support "game link" so that GC draws most of the map for you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:54:42 2019 No.6085658

>>6085601
I don't mind automaps a lot because you still have to actually play the game to fill it and a lot of people (like me) can get easily lost or just draw paths wrong fucking the whole map. I remember my Eye of the Beholder run in that floor with teleporters and you can't see them, they just teleport you and that's it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:57:44 2019 No.6085663 >>6080761 I don't recommend them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 12:59:55 2019 No.6085667 Dark Heart of Uukrul needs to be better known

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 13:58:26 2019 No.6085763 Anyone has a link for Grid Cartographer 4? I don't feel like paying for something like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:38:20 2019 No.6087447 File: 36 KB, 288x336, 2214972-ad_d_rl.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sort of free roam dungeon crawl. It's pretty awesome. There are 3 of them with this engine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:45:25 2019 No.6087458 >>6087447 The only Ravenloft video game. I wish there are more D&D games using non Forgotten Realms setting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:47:26 2019 No.6087464 File: 19 KB, 253x300, Stone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6087458 Not the only one...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 11:51:35 2019 No.6087471 >>6087464 I thought this one is like Menzoberranzan, a game using the same engine with Ravenloft 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 12:00:22 2019 No.6087482 File: 345 KB, 1217x1500, il_fullxfull.819081338_citw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6087471 Based on this module I believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:26:57 2019 No.6087723 Recommend some decent stuff on gog, preferably on sale Already got wizardry and grimoire

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 14:37:40 2019 No.6087747 File: 138 KB, 800x1020, 25248-iron-blood-warriors-of-ravenloft-dos-front-cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6087464 >>6087458 And don't forget this gem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:47:42 2019 No.6088510 >>6087482 So Strahd is not the only one who was ripped as a video game cover. At least Stone Prophet is still a Ravenloft game. >>6087747 Not RPG >>6087447 Is there a name for the game engine? Like Infinity Engine or Aurora Engine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 23:48:45 2019 No.6088515 File: 86 KB, 1286x705, s7ha8z6vhiw21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6088510 >ripped as a video game cover forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:08:30 2019 No.6088552 >>6088510 Some SSI internal engine. Gave the 256 VGA a sort of high rez mode. Honestly cant remember.

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:15:38 2019 No.6088567

>>6088515
That scene actually makes no sense. This tower with windows looks far away but is also in front of the wall which makes the wall look gigantic. But the wall has a doorway with a balcony that he is standing on too which makes the wall look closer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:33:00 2019 No.6088786 >>6075230 i still have grimoire 1.0 vers is that playable or should i buy the new one? was waiting for the manual to come out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:34:03 2019 No.6088789 >>6075950 6, 7 and 8

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:35:41 2019 No.6088791 >>6075258 well, that abortion runs on unreal engine fucking 1

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:08:21 2019 No.6088839 >>6088791 >on unreal engine fucking 1 2.5 iirc, but with a rewritten renderer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:30:17 2019 No.6088867 >>6088567 Just rationalize it by pretending that it's a mini-tower specifically for the bats to live in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:34:37 2019 No.6090183 >>6075230 What's a good one with mouse look?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:46:32 2019 No.6090728
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>>6087723
These are my dungeon crawlers, maybe something will catch your eye.
Also for people in the thread, please also recommend me more good dungeon crawlers on sale or games like Baldur's Gate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:41:24 2019 No.6090775 >>6090183 Wizardry 8

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:46:12 2019 No.6091748 Anyone here play or beat Obitus?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 15:02:33 2019 No.6091874 File: 28 KB, 252x264, 3r8qaf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6081386 >Yeah, and he was such an insufferable cunt that they parodied him in Jagged Alliance 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:43:39 2019 No.6092732 >>6081386 >>6091874 Talking about Jagged Alliance 2. Should I get it?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:45:16 2019 No.6092735
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Just printed like 40 of these for some of the games I got in GOG like Wizardry 6 and 7, the Ultima games, Anvil of Dawn and Eye of the Beholder (all 3).
Am I going to be fine? Any mapping tips to avoid running out of space or shit like that?
I know I shouldn't start drawing in the corners because you never now how the dungeon will spread afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:11:07 2019 No.6093152 >>6092735 Google Spreadsheet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:13:04 2019 No.6093157 >>6092735 you gotta learn how the game handles mapping, for example Wizardry 1 gives you 0/0 for the bottom left and 19/19 for the top right corners

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 17:20:59 2019 No.6093814

>>6092735
Wizardry 6 levels typically fit on one sheet, main exception being the river.
The tricky part can be figuring out where one map ends and the other begins since the IBM version uses the same tileset for every dungeon no matter whether it's a castle, caves, a mountain pass, mines, a pyramid, a crypt, a swamp, a forest or a temple.
Stairs will correspond over different floors but take a space.

Wizardry 7 only has a few spots worth mapping since orientation is less of a challenge.

In Ultima you can use peer gems to figure out the basics.

Personally I'd recommend starting with a game like M&M1 that gives you a fixed 16x16 grid and a spell to learn your coordinates without featuring too many confusing elements like spinners or teleporters as well as offering an easy way out of dungeons in case you get lost.
That way you can get a grasp on mapping without it being too frustrating or interfering with the game.
Key to mapping is analyzing what is visible from your position. Typically you can see three squares ahead with a light spell. Learn to map in a way that you can turn doors one way or add secret doors on walls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 17:41:07 2019 No.6093851 What about shadowgate?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:33:25 2019 No.6094021 >>6093851 Shadowgate is not a dungeon crawler. It's a point and click adventure. Cool game but, Wizardry it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:39:53 2019 No.6094031 >>6094021 It is first person and you do crawl through a dungeon, check and mate >>6085667 Seconded, I never did get too far in it though

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 19:26:25 2019 No.6095720 >>6094031 That is not how it works... You're missing the whole RPG and Dungeon crawling part.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 27 16:20:17 2019 No.6097117 Ishar series

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 12:03:34 2019 No.6098487 >>6092732 Do you like fun?

Anonymous Sat Dec 28 12:11:55 2019 No.6098496
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What Dungeon Crawlers have really great art and assets?

Not necessarily graphics, I mean best art direction or stuff you thought was really well designed and pretty within the limitations. Environments too.

Asking because I want to try drawing stuff in this classic way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 22:14:57 2019 No.6099446 >>6098496 >I want to try drawing stuff in this classic way you mean like you pic? because that's not drawn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 28 23:50:08 2019 No.6099565 What would you lads recommend as a good 'learner' dungeon crawler that isn't totally casualfied? I've only really ever played cRPGs like Fallout and Arcanum and stuff, I've tried M&M and Dungeon Master etc and just have no idea what the fuck I'm doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 02:45:28 2019 No.6099729 >>6099565 M&M1 is a good learner while MM3 is completely casualized.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 03:35:45 2019 No.6099774 File: 21 KB, 272x365, Akalabeth_box.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone played pic related? I really want to get to the gritty shit and want to have some fun with proto-ultima.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 03:43:06 2019 No.6099781 >>6099774 A bit. Too frustrating compared to Ultima 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 03:46:49 2019 No.6099786 >>6099446 Not necessarily, just good blobber pixel art in general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 15:36:17 2019 No.6100697 >>6099774 Too old for its own good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 29 21:54:04 2019 No.6101312 >>6085543 Graph paper notebook. Start in the middle. If you hit an edge mark that square A or 1 or something and continue on another page or blank area by redrawing the keyed A or 1 square or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 30 20:53:07 2019 No.6103243 >>6075236 By that logic a lot of early PS2 games would be retro.

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