/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6056543]

This game is awful and it always has been.

[Anonymous No.6056545]

>>6056543
Cool bandwagon opinion.

[Anonymous No.6056557]

>>6056543
I remember enjoying it a lot the first time I played it, probably about ~5 years after it came out, so it wasn’t just the novelty of 3D Sanic. That said, when I tried replying it a couple of years ago, it was a lot rougher around the edges than I had remembered, in a way that Crash or Mario 64 aren’t. I wouldn’t say that it sucks though.

[Anonymous No.6056570]

The adventure games are flawed to hell and back but I still fucking love them

[Anonymous No.6056572]

>>6056543
but that soundtrack tho

[Anonymous No.6056576]

>>6056572
derp
https://youtu.be/5hGNAsTz0uU

[Anonymous No.6056620]

>>6056543
nah its fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INvSV8JY5VM

[Anonymous No.6056621]

>>6056576
>The Sphinx was so cute, I had to shave it.
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.6056623]

>>6056543
>This game is awful
yes
>and it always has been
no no no no, it really wasnt. at the time of release it was a huge hit and everyone went nuts over how great the graphics were.
sorry you were only a year or two old when the game came out

[Anonymous No.6056625]

>>6056557
I think part of the issue is every time it gets ported the controls get stiffer and more bugs get introduced. If you play the original US Dreamcast release, it plays much better.

[Anonymous No.6056635]

>>6056623
I was 10 when it came out, got my Dreamcast Christmas of 99 and I fucking hated Sonic Adventure then, hate it now. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.6056646]

>>6056635
It's more enjoyable than Mario 64 where you just replay the same level over and over again to farm for stars. Which that's only there to stagger the content so you don't realize there's so little of it.

[Anonymous No.6056663]

>>6056570
>The adventure games are flawed to hell and back but I played them as a kid so that means they're good

[Anonymous No.6056678]

>>6056543
This thread again?
Nobody gives a fuck what you think unless you make a substantiated argument. Saying "Gam sux" is just trolling.

[Anonymous No.6056752]

>>6056543
It got really positive reviews when it came out. And its usually on Dreamcast fans top ten games also this guy that really really really really really really really really really really really really really really likes the Sega Dreamcast thinks its a phenomenal

[Anonymous No.6056768]

>>6056752
>Hello this is Adam Koralik with Figure it Out productions, the following video is part of our quick shoot series

>Proceeds to shit on the PS2

[Anonymous No.6056772]

>>6056678
The argument is substantiated by trying to play Sonic Adventure.
>>6056663
To everyone reading this thread, please just let it be in your memories. I replayed it for the first time in ~20 years and it's beyond awful.

[Anonymous No.6056778]

>>6056772
I literally played through a few zones an hour ago and had a blast

[Anonymous No.6056781]

>>6056772
Just booted it up.

Nope, still fuckin great.

[Anonymous No.6056783]

>>6056545
this

[Anonymous No.6056786]

My rule for Sonic games:

If the characters are voiced: Unplayable Cringefest

If the character are not voiced: Playable

[Anonymous No.6056793]

>>6056786
>If the character are not voiced: Playable

aka all the Genesis games, which /vr/ still somehow doesn't fucking admit are the only good ones. like when threads pop up talking about how much better Sonic Adventure is than fucking SM64 it's honestly so embarrassing that it either must be trolling or the dumbest fucking Segafags who long for their days of childhood again

[Anonymous No.6056798]

>>6056793
>which /vr/ still somehow doesn't fucking admit are the only good ones.
Because that opinion would be wrong. Not to mention plebian as fuck.

[Anonymous No.6056894]

>>6056543
3D Sonic... Bleh!

[Anonymous No.6056905]

>>6056620
I miss Sonic's cute little fangs, they sterlized his teeth after Sonic Adventure and it's sad that the only time they showed up again was in that wierd OK KO special.

[Anonymous No.6056919]

>>6056786
My rule for Sonic games: Stay as far as you can while you play any given platformer on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.6056930]

>>6056919
Sonic 3 & Knuckles > Super Mario World

[Anonymous No.6056989]

>>6056543
I like it still. It’s not a masterpiece, but it’s okay. Far from the 2/10 some people make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.6057032]

>>6056543
>first stage is garbage
>then drops me in a garbage town hub with no clear directions
I have no doubt it's a nice game once you get into it, but when it serves you shit for openers aint no one's gonna stick around for the main course. I'd be very surprised to see anyone who didn't grow up with this game say they like it.

[Anonymous No.6057045]

>>6056543
2 fast 4 u faggot

[Anonymous No.6057047]

>>6057032
Emerald Coast is fun, retard, great music too

[Anonymous No.6057064]

>>6056543
I just started it again yesterday. It's truly great.

[Anonymous No.6057070]

>>6056752
never heard of this dude but can't blame him, the dreamcast is based as fuck

[Anonymous No.6057071]

>>6056930
BASED

[Anonymous No.6057120]

I like SA, but I'd rather play other 3D platformers on Playstation or Nintendo 64. Having different kinds of gameplay with multiple characters isn't a good flex when most of them aren't that fun compared to Sonic.

Honestly, if we are talking about DC platformers, Rayman 2: The Great Escape is the better game.

[Anonymous No.6057147]

>>6056646
>Mario 64 where you just replay the same level over and over again to farm for stars
I don't remember doing that in M64. I thought you needed to pass a new star to get new stars.

[Anonymous No.6057148]

>>6056930
>has to post 2 games in order to compete against based SMW

[Anonymous No.6057156]

>>6056621
Amy shaves her cute pussy

[Anonymous No.6057157]

>>6057156
>implying she didn't have a feminine penis

[Anonymous No.6057163]

SONIC IS GAY

[Anonymous No.6057173]

>>6057163
Isn't Sonic like canonically 12 in the adventure games? He sure acts like it. You know every guy in Station Square wanted to hit that pink pussy. Except the one she was throwing herself at.

[Anonymous No.6057175]

>>6057156
But she doesn't.

[Anonymous No.6057251]

>>6056543
You know, I'm getting real sick of these threads where the only opinion people can have of games is either fucking amazing or fucking awful. It's absolutely stupid, not just for SA but all around.

In reality, most games are neither, but somewhere in-between. In the case of SA personally, it's ok. It's flawed to hell, and every port has only flawed it further, but the game has it's merits as well. I think something like SM64 or Crash is better, but desu I really don't know how Sonic Team could've translated the Genesis Sonic formula into 3D in 1998, especially with all of the other game modes they tried to shove in only like a year of development. SA2 is definitely the more refined of the two in my opinion, but neither game is absolute shit or absolutely amazing, they're just decent little games.

[Anonymous No.6057275]

>>6057251
/thread

[Anonymous No.6057291]

Don't think I've enjoyed any 3D Sonic game.

[Anonymous No.6057297]

>>6056930
Based but is it better than SMB3?

[Anonymous No.6057303]

Wait, did someone just say that Rayman 2 is better than SA? Nooooooo

[Anonymous No.6057324]

>>6057291
With good reason, they're all cringey bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6057587]

>>6057148
Sonic 3 & Knuckles is one complete game that had to be split into two for cartridge space. It's still one game and that's how it's meant to be played.
Plus even on their own they're still good games

[Anonymous No.6057621]

Sonic Adventure is somewhere between a bugs life on PS1 and toy story 2 on 64 in terms of quality

[Anonymous No.6057725]

>>6057621
I'd probably agree if we were just talking about Sonic's campaign, but once all the other garbage is considered I think it's significantly worse than both. Toy Story 2 is one of the best licensed games of its generation and A Bug's Life is just ok. Sonic Adventure's Knuckles, Amy, and Big the Cat campaigns are just terrible IMO. I appreciate that the game offers as much variety as it does but I think very little of it is handled well at all and a lot of it just isn't worth my time.

[Anonymous No.6058609]

>>6056543
Only a Nintendrone would say that. I loved this game much better than the original Sonic Trilogy.
The only downside I saw of this game are the Knuckles and Big The Cat levels. Other than that, it's the greatest 3D Sonic game of all time, it even surpasses Sonic Adventure 2 in my opinion. Plus it had a much better soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.6058613]

>>6056752
I watched his videos, but I've been a Dreamcast & Shenmue fan longer than he has. Day 1 to be exact, I was only 17 when I owned a Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6058615]

>>6056768
The PS2 isn't a great console. Xbox had better versions of PS2 games. Dreamcast & Gamecube had better exclusives than PS2.

[Anonymous No.6058616]

>>6056772
Nope, you just suck at it. I play it and I still beat the first level in under 2 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6058621]

>>6058615
PS2 was the last great console, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6058647]

>>6056543
Yeah no shit

[Anonymous No.6058649]

>>6058621
Wrong. It was extremely mediocre. Only really worthwhile if you were a huge JRPGfag.

[Anonymous No.6059231]

My parents got me a dreamcast when I was 7 years old and I still speedrun SA1 on DC to this day. The sonic adventure series captured my imagination like no other piece of media did at the time, probably because of the detailed environments and variety of characters. My passion for the games was reflected in my artwork at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VVb7ugVb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loNsD8zXeWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIM_GXTXdxs

I think the tough thing about assessing quality of video games is that people will play and derive enjoyment in very different ways. Certainly there are a lot of downsides to SA1 and I could imagine some people being frustrated with these. Obviously the biggest complaints are that the Big/Amy and to a lesser extent Knuckles levels are a huge slowdown to the action packed Sonic levels. The level designs are kind of all over the place; sometimes it feels like you're playing through like a debug mode level with simple environmental textures. Personally I rather like that (because A E S T H E T I C S) but I could see where that might rub people the wrong way.

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͇̤͊̓p̣̗͊͌l̼̬̪̹͗̉̎͞ĕ̢͎̭̯̿͌͝a̞̍s͔̞̩̭͑͑͠͠e̥͍͈̘̦̍̏̋̕͡ ̠̯́̈́͋͢dỏ̗̺͝n̫͓͋͛'ṱ̞͇̓̒͠ ͎̬͉̜̀̓̔̚f̹̘̈̽o̬̟̬͆̌̎l̘͚͊̀lo̯̪̐͆w̤͍̒̆́͟ ̫̖̈̿ḿ͉͚̍e̟̣̎̚

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyZwQcKCzQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoEdFm3mlE

[Anonymous No.6059524]

>>6059231
what the fuck is the matter with you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_VmB0B1xdQ

[Anonymous No.6059530]

>>6056545
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.6059532]

>>6056635
This but with SM64

[Anonymous No.6059539]

>>6057324
But enough about your posts.

[Anonymous No.6059936]

>>6056543
It was amazing when you were a kid though. No kid I knew hated this game.

[Anonymous No.6062171]

>>6059539
>no u
kys Sanictard, these games are AWFUL

[Anonymous No.6062223]

>>6058621
Not really dude. Xbox was far superior.

[Anonymous No.6062336]

>>6056543

[Anonymous No.6062338]

They got 3D Sonic right on the first try, then fucked it all up on the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6062343]

>>6062338
>Sonic 3D Blast
>it's not 3D

[Anonymous No.6062438]

>>6057148
>t-two games
cope it will always be recognized as one

[Anonymous No.6062584]

>>6062223
based

[Anonymous No.6062592]

>>6056570
>The adventure games are flawed to hell and back
No, not really.
This is what you say about post-Adventure 6th gen games.

[Anonymous No.6062593]

>>6056635
If you hate EITHER Sonic Adventure, you almost certainly hate 3D platformers period.

[Anonymous No.6062660]

>>6058615
I will say in its favor that PS2 had the best action games of the generation: KH2: Final Mix+ and DMC3: SE, and the best version of Sonic Riders Zero Gravity.

[Anonymous No.6062661]

>>6057303
Rayman 2 is the definition of a good *kids* game. You cannot play it as an adult like you can with SA1 & SA2.

[Anonymous No.6062662]

>>6057120
>Rayman 2: The Great Escape is the better game.
This is so wrong I don't know how to respond. Knucles in Sonic Adventure alone makes for a more mature game than Rayman 2.

[Anonymous No.6062738]

I think we all agree Sonic and Tails’ stages are mostly good, but the rest of the game is at best a novelty. But even the good stages are often marred by just general clunk/lack of polish/bad physics?/who the fuck knows. Like when Sonic is running during some on-rails part and you’re holding a direction forward and he just kind of veers to one side and ruins the effect, so you either have to cheese it or backtrack to the zipper. This suffices to be a microcosm for my overall satisfaction level with the game. Like it’s almost there but every so often it just falls flat on its face.

[Anonymous No.6062747]

>>6062593
Funny, because the platforming in the SA games is fucking dogshit (or should I say, hedgehogshit).

[Anonymous No.6062748]

>>6062660
True.

[Anonymous No.6062764]

>>6062738
SADX is much, much buggier than the original game and the cause of the sort of shit you're talking about. I have no idea how they broke it so badly. And the ports of SADX are even buggier. It's a fucking disaster.

[Anonymous No.6062778]

>>6062764
It is, but it wasn’t flawless in the original version. You still had weirdness in sequences where you weren’t sure which direction to bear when the camera changed as you sprinted from point A to B. The area I remember most vividly where this always killed my groove was that huge loop in Sonic’s first stage.

[Anonymous No.6062874]

>>6062778
This. DX is definitely worse but from what I've seen the differences are often overstated from the game's defenders. Personally, while DX is a buggier, uglier game, I don't think the original release was very good either. I'm mostly fine with Sonic's stages and if the whole game were just more of those I think it could have been genuinely really enjoyable. But there's just a bunch of stupid bullshit outside of those. Like, Sonic gets the most stages out of all the characters, but every other character once combined has way more than he does. Like 70% of the game is just dongs and it's not like DX introduced that problem.

[Anonymous No.6063252]

>>6062764
>>6062874
>SADX is much, much buggier than the original game and the cause of the sort of shit you're talking about

Nice deflection, but we're talking about the original US release on the Sega Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.6063363]

>>6062778
The huge loop in the first level killed your groove, wtf that is the dumbest complaint I ever heard about Sonic Adventure. I have never liked it that much, it's ok.

[Anonymous No.6063374]

>>6062593
I loved and played Sonic Adventure to death, but I fucking hated 2. I didn't even do the bad guy story.

[Anonymous No.6063376]

>>6063363
yeah I mean I’m sure that small part of what I’ve said sounds pretty dumb if you take it out of context and also just don’t have that great a grasp of English anyway

[Anonymous No.6063885]

>>6063252
lol good job not reading my post, retard

[Anonymous No.6064621]

Sonic Adventure successfully translated the feeling of Sonic's movement and basic gameplay into 3D, which is more than can be said for Mario 64, which was so different from the 2D entries that later games, 3D Land and 3D World, basically had the premise of "what if 3D Mario actually felt like 2D Mario except in 3D?"

This does not necessarily mean it's a better game, however. There are other factors involved. For example, I'd argue Sonic Adventure lacks in level design in many of the Action Stages. They're mostly very simple and don't give you much to do other than run to the end. However, since the basic movement and gameplay premise were done well, the sequel, Sonic Adventure 2, would drastically improve on the level design, making things much more complex and giving you more reasons to perfect the movement.

Of course, the Action Stages are only half the game. There are also the Adventure Fields. These weren't like the old games at all, but didn't feel too jarring since the movement was right. It was an ambitious idea, but I'll argue they did it very well. That said, since it's so unlike the old games, I get if people don't like it. But I do like it, and I like when it returns in Unleashed, even though it wasn't nearly as fleshed out as Adventure.

>>6057032
>no directions
>literally has glowing orbs that tell you what to do, and then fly in the direction you have to go.
If anything, the orbs hinder the fun of the Adventure Fields, which otherwise are done relatively well, with surprisingly fleshed out NPCs that make the world feel pretty substantial, despite its fairly small size.

It's called Sonic Adventure because it has adventure game elements, as shown with the hub worlds, which are literally called Adventure Fields.

[Anonymous No.6064648]

>>6057725
I never got the level of complaints about the other levels/characters. I agree Sonic is the best, but the others are okay, and the worst ones get very few levels. I especially never got the hate for Knuckles and the love for Tails. Tails' stages aren't designed for him and it shows. They're left being trivially easy. That said, he's fun to play as in the Adventure Fields. His movement is translated from 2D well, like Sonic and Knuckles, but they didn't give him good enough levels to move in.

Amy is some more standard platforming than you'd usually get in a Sonic game, and I don't mind that. Again, I think she moves well, even if it is very different from Sonic. If anything, I'd get people complaining about Gamma, but they don't. They say he's better than Eggman in SA2, which is retarded, since Eggman/Tails have much better stages, and they're otherwise pretty much the same thing.

Yeah, Sega putting a fishing minigame in Sonic was weird, but it takes so little time to beat his stages, I really don't see the problem. I get why it sticks out and the game could do without it, but it's not a big deal.

>>6062738
Have you tried just holding the joystick in the direction you want to go? Because that's all you need to do.

>>6062874
Sonic makes up 1/3 of the stages in both Adventure games. (Shadow is the same gameplay as Sonic so I count them together.)

>>6063374
Adventure 2's story mode is basically just practice. The real meat of the game is in the Mission and Ranking system, which encourages you to really learn the mechanics and level designs, which turn out to be very intricate. This system has never been replicated as well in any later game. I'd argue it could even be done in 2D games, but nobody has bothered.

[Anonymous No.6064650]

>>6057725
A Bug's Life is better than Toy Story 2 because of the puzzle elements that come with the seed and berry systems. Also, he was comparing the worst version of Toy Story 2, the gimped 64 version, to the superior PS1 version of A Bug's Life. The PS1 version of either is better than the N64 version of either.

>>6057175
Amy mentions getting a makeover at the beginning of her story in Sonic Adventure. This makeover canonically includes shaving her pussy. She tried going commando and literally backing up and ramming her pussy into Sonic's dick as an "attack" in Sonic the Fighters, but it didn't work, so she had to get more subtle and step her game up. No more childishly just trying to rub herself on her target. She had to try actual seduction now.

>>6057173
Sonic is 15 or 16 in most older games where the manual lists it, but turns 20 in Generations. Amy is 12. There are two reasons Sonic rejects Amy. The first is that he is all about freedom, and can't have some girl slowing him down. The second is that he's obviously gay with Tails.

[Anonymous No.6064667]

>>6064648
>Yeah, Sega putting a fishing minigame in Sonic was weird, but it takes so little time to beat his stages, I really don't see the problem.
As a kid Big's stages take fucking eons to clear. They're extremely simple and fast when you know what you're doing but I had a ton of trouble when I was a retarded child playing it when it came out.

[Anonymous No.6064680]

>>6064667
As a kid I took a long time because I liked exploring the stages, and Big's versions of the stages were actually pretty good for exploration. So I didn't mind that. There are times when there are multiple pools, but it's usually pretty easy to find which one has Froggy. It only really gets annoying if you're doing the extra challenges where you need to get the large fish. But you know what you're in for if you're actually playing Big the Cat's extra missions.

[Anonymous No.6064682]

>>6056543
After replaying it years later, you're not wrong, but I've got too many good memories of going over to my friend's house, playing it with him, and having a great time to dislike it.

[Anonymous No.6064686]

I respect your opinion, but you are wrong

[Anonymous No.6064723]

>>6064650
>A Bug's Life is better than Toy Story 2
Stopped reading right there