/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6054413]

I'm surprised how well the models held up for Jetforce Gemini. On a crt it could pass as early PS2 in some areas.

[Anonymous No.6054418]

>>6054413
If this was a PS2 game it would run at 60 FPS all the time at 480p, this barely maintains 30FPS at 240p.

[Anonymous No.6054434]

>>6054413
>when you're so zoom everything pre-switch looks the same

[Anonymous No.6054776]

>>6054413
yeah the n64 was truly

[Anonymous No.6054781]

>>6054434
Shut up it's always this pathetic gatekeeping bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6054782]

No idea why people keep praising this garbage. The game ran like ass, controlled like ass, and looked like shit. Even when it was released it was mostly ignored. No one knew how to play it, and no one cared. Never met anyone that even finished it.

And this was the point RARE decided to make graphics that look like smeared clown puke. Neon greens, purples, oranges thrown over the environments in ways that made no sense. I get that Jet Force Gemini is supposed to take place in some gay pride alien universe, but they kept the technicolor crap in DK64 and Conker's Bad Fur day too.
I remember thinking Goldeneye looked amazing at release, but RARE really went downhill after that.

Super Mario 64 was how you make a colorful game for N64. Jet Force Gemini was like running that through a shitty HDR photo filter.

No way in hell this would even pass for a first gen PS2 game. The models are standard low poly N64 stuff, but still manage to animate worse than any other notable game on the system.

[Anonymous No.6054784]

>>6054413
To be fair a lot of the really early PS2 games, like Midnight Club, looked worse than the average Dreamcast game.

[Anonymous No.6054795]

>>6054782

You sound like fun.

[Anonymous No.6054796]

>>6054782
did Rare ever actually make a good game?

[Anonymous No.6054806]

>>6054782
did Jet Force Gemini rape your little twin ass when you were younger or something? That's some hateboner if I ever saw one. I don't think JFG even deserves that much hate.
the tribal hunting isn't even bad, the bad thing is the ship part collecting
As for the controls, you set them to "Expert" on the menu and they're great. That way you can move in all directions while in aiming mode.

[Anonymous No.6054812]

>>6054796

Kameo
Viva Pinata(def. needs a reboot)
Jetpac
Perfect Dark
Battletoads :o)

[Anonymous No.6054816]

>>6054812
>listing xbox-era shit
>>6054796
Blast Corps

[Anonymous No.6054824]

>>6054816

[Anonymous No.6054827]

>>6054824
Yeah, I know it's on the Xbox collection. I meant listing stuff from the actual Xbox-era of Rare.

[Anonymous No.6054832]

>>6054782
your pic is from the HD remaster

[Anonymous No.6054834]

>>6054827
>I meant listing stuff from the actual Xbox-era of Rare.

Fuck, are you Australian AND autistic?

[Anonymous No.6054835]

>>6054782
Shut the fuck up retard. JFG is one of the best games of the 5th generation.
The graphics look top notch for its generation, and certainly one step above anything on the Playstation.
Even for Rare standards the collecting and backtracking aspect of the game were well done and didnt make the game a borefest.
The music is absolutely great.
The only downside is that its too easy, wish there was a hard mode or something.

[Anonymous No.6054840]

>>6054834
I don't think australians are the only ones who hate Xbox-era Rare.
Autists probably like shit like viva piñata, though.

[Anonymous No.6054843]

>>6054840

k.

>>6054835

Yeah, I agree. Def. needs a hard mode.

[Anonymous No.6054846]

>>6054782
why did so many PS2 games look so.... gray and sterile?

[Anonymous No.6054860]

>>6054846
Colour is for kids, apparently..

[Anonymous No.6054863]

>>6054860

It's probably something stupid like that. I can imagine a executive thinking that way.

[Anonymous No.6054865]

>>6054835
SNES Starfox managed to feel more fluid than this crap with a lower frame rate.

The only ones propping it up back then were the magazines that got paid to do so. Not many played it, because just look at it. The graphics are pure AIDs.

It was the downfall of the N64, because nothing good came out for the system after this horror show.

[Anonymous No.6054869]

>>6054413
this was in a gaming magazine at the time

[Anonymous No.6054872]

>>6054840
this is correct. rare died after n64

>>6054834
you gay senpai

[Anonymous No.6054873]

>>6054865
Did you just make that wallpaper?
Calm down anon, you seem over-exaggerated on your hate for this game.

[Anonymous No.6054874]

>>6054869
Very cute.
Vela needs more fanart.

[Anonymous No.6054875]

>>6054872

Whatever, Australian.

[Anonymous No.6054876]

>>6054865
Clearly you never played blues brothers 2000

[Anonymous No.6054878]

>>6054875
what's the logic behind thinking anyone who dislikes the infamous Xbox era of Rare is australian, anyway?

[Anonymous No.6054880]

>>6054876
fun fact: this game invented z targeting and autosaving

[Anonymous No.6054885]

>>6054796
killer instinct

[Anonymous No.6054887]

>>6054796
conkers bad fur day was great on n64

on xbox it was utter trash unfortunately, especially the fact they replaced multiplayer with another multiplayer game entirely

[Anonymous No.6054895]

>>6054806
never played this game or even saw it, but that reflecting blue floor that must have been some person at Rare 's thing, is like my favourite thing so glad to see it got another go

[Anonymous No.6054951]

>>6054873
Took me 5 seconds. Just pointing out this is the point RARE lost their fucking minds on game aesthetics.

Like this screen from Conker's Bad Fur day.
RARE: "Let's make the rock walls purple, then paint a dirt path radioactive green for no reason."

Looks like shit. Like they hired and actual toddler for the art design position.

[Anonymous No.6054972]

>>6054782
>shitting on N64 games being blurry
>while fucking posting Ico, the PS2 game that uses insanely heavy post processing and runs at a crisp 512x224

[Anonymous No.6054979]

>>6054951
honestly this was pretty cool at the time for the era

[Anonymous No.6055235]

>>6054951
Whatever you say, enjoy your scales of brown and grey, I guess. You mature gamer.

[Anonymous No.6055393]

I never let anyone ruin my love for Jet Force Gemini.
Fun fact, JFG has a spirit section in Smash Ultimate along with Blast Corps in its internal files.

[Anonymous No.6055405]

>>6054951
>radioactive green
It's moss you neophyte, and the rocks are clearly purple in the area so it's not too weird that it suddenly transitions.

[Anonymous No.6055582]

>>6055405
Castlevania 64 has moss that looks like moss. This looks like the toxic waste you see in doom. And why is it glowing. And there was no reason for the purple rocks other than to make it look like shit. Conker's was probably even more unplayable than JFG, and had to rely 100% on toilet humor to sell.

RARE was a terrible company. Enjoy your N64 eurojank.

[Anonymous No.6055605]

>>6054413
I actually started playing it for the first time and thought the game is hideous. The draw distance through i think is really impressive for n64 huge areas with no fog, and theres even an anamorphic widescreen option. It makes it look even worse but its still at least technically impressive

[Anonymous No.6055607]

>>6055582
Whatever you say anon, you're always right about everything after all.

[Anonymous No.6055628]

>>6054951
That type of stuff is really typical in retro games like weird shades and light sources that dont come from anywhere

[Anonymous No.6055632]

>>6055607

Don't bother debating with Australian's.
They're sub-human. Their opinion is of no importance.

[Anonymous No.6055635]

>>6055605
I honestly think the game's first level is its ugliest.

All of Rare's games have good draw distance. Goldeneye's Dam level has no distance fog at all, only atmospheric fog (which puts a higher load on the GPU than no fog)

[Anonymous No.6055667]

The legs look so weird

[Anonymous No.6055672]

>>6055635
Goldeneye loads the entire area in at once. You don't need fog when you load everything. Aside from culling offscreen shit.

[Anonymous No.6055673]

>>6054846
9/11

[Anonymous No.6055719]

>>6054434
this is true but it also applies the other way, all new games look the same boomer grandpas who stopped playing games around the 5th generation

[Anonymous No.6055724]

>>6054781
>gatekeeping
Back to twitter.

[Anonymous No.6055732]

>>6054782
This is the result of years of marinating your brain in 4chan, suddenly everything is shit and there is schizo Pol conspiracies everywhere even in the colors of a game.

Please kill yourself man. Also fuck Ico for the badly fps drops in big areas and bosses and the cringy dead horse scene. Technicality whore. I repeat, Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6055740]

>>6054865
I can smell zoomer faggot edge from miles away in this post. I get it, you are 21 and you grew u with ps2 and xbox 360. You don't need to love n64 games, they are not for you but get away from this board at least.

[Anonymous No.6055820]

>>6055732
Cringy dead horse scene and FPS drops were Shadow Of The Colossus. Not ICO.

ICO came out less than two years after JFG. Mind blowing graphics at the time. Intriguing game play. Nowhere comparable to this cheap 10FPS Fisher Price looking jankfest.

[Anonymous No.6055825]

>>6055820
It's very funny that you have to resort to a 6th gen game to shitpost against a 5th gen one. Very zoom of you.
Anyway, I like ICO, but let's not pretend it wasn't a glorified "artsy" escort mission game.

[Anonymous No.6055828]

>>6055740
Nah, you're just mad your favorite eurojank company couldn't hold a candle to first party titles.

Actual good graphics on N64 look like Wave Race, not this tripe.

[Anonymous No.6055836]

>>6055825
OP started with the 6th gen comparison. I'm just pointing it doesn't compare at all.

And even comparing this to first party N64 titles, it still fails.

It sucked at the time, and now it's only hidden gems tards that keep plunging this up from the septic tank of gaming.

[Anonymous No.6055841]

>>6055836
You just have a weird hateboner against JFG, my dude.
OP was silly to start a thread by mentioning PS2 though, I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.6056004]

>>6054782
>No way in hell this would even pass for a first gen PS2 game
Just for reference, let's actually look at one. Behold, Summoner, a PS2 launch title.

[Anonymous No.6056013]

>>6054880
>autosaving
Kirby's Adventure would like a word with you.

[Anonymous No.6056015]

>>6056013
t. My shit would like a word with your mouth.

[Anonymous No.6056101]

>>6054875
Not being Australian, what are you gay?

[Anonymous No.6056105]

>>6055828
Imagine caring about early 3D game graphics.
Also, for me its Sekhmet:
https://youtu.be/-Efvh8yVnJE

[Anonymous No.6056151]

>>6054781

[Anonymous No.6056231]

>>6054874

as a horny 12 year old i used to masturbate furiously to vela and write fan fiction about getting her pregnant

[Anonymous No.6056269]

>>6054846
My guess would be Devs working on PS2 were the first to adopt newer screen displays as CRT started getting phazed out, and they didn't realize how washed out everything looked on their screens, and inversely how fucking dark it looked on everyones TVs at home.

[Anonymous No.6056320]

>>6056004
Yeah, of course you pick Summoner. The worst looking launch title, and one of the worst looking games on the system.

[Anonymous No.6056487]

>>6054418
>all the time at 480p
>ps2

[Anonymous No.6056652]

>>6056320
It still makes OP's point valid.

[Anonymous No.6056717]

>>6054846
The ps2 had abysmal video quality i mean were talking post nes no console has as bad video quality as ps2 even 64.

[Anonymous No.6056765]

>>6056717
That's due to the unholy combination of VRAM too small to hold a full 480p framebuffer + mipmapping broken + anti-aliasing broken (so instead developers would go batshit with post-processing or downsampling weirdness)

At least on N64 mipmapping and anti-aliasing worked

[Anonymous No.6056782]

>>6056765
What the fuck? Yeah... Exclusive composhit support with hardware enforced vaseline filters looks so much better than component. But seriously, I'd take jaggy 480i over smeared to shit 240p.

[Anonymous No.6056789]

>>6056782
>Exclusive composhit support
Supports s-video too
>hardware enforced vaseline filters
Not hardware enforced at all and could be turned off by developers, except the scaling of 320x240 to 620x240 when in 240p mode. Arguably the screen filtering done in many PS2 is much worse anyway because it's all cheap software-based solutions.

[Anonymous No.6056795]

>>6056789
Yeah, I think a few developers like id had a workaround. I've actually run patches on real hardware that disable this, and quickly realized why it was on for most every game. It hides all the color banding and weird artifacts - like the mall diagonal grey lines used for dithering. The N64 was much more of a mess than the PS2 for rendering.

[Anonymous No.6056803]

>>6056795
Voodoo cards did the same thing. All GPUs at that time rendered in 15-bit color which has got color banding. PSX, N64 and Voodoo all do dither, but the latter two also dither filter to vaseline the equivalent of 22-bit color.

PS2 can render in 32-bit color though, but that's not always the case. There are some games that render in a lower color depth. Hell, pretty much every PS2 game that does progressive scan, how do they do it? They decrease the color depth. And if they do that, they're stuck in the very same dithering/banding hell as the N64 and all the other old 3D machines.

[Anonymous No.6056808]

>>6056803
I think you just explained why I found games like Black looked worse in progressive scan. Never knew exactly why though.

[Anonymous No.6056812]

All of Rare's games look good. Fuck you retards. There was almost no competition visually for N64 besides like 3-4 games.

[Anonymous No.6056821]

>>6056782
The difference between composite and component on ps2 is really small. Also the 64 supported s video.

[Anonymous No.6056823]

>>6054846
Speaking of gray games, I love Manhunt, man. If you turn the map off, it's very fun. Playing it right now, it's fucking great.

[Anonymous No.6056827]

>>6056803
There's only like 30 games on the ps2 that even run in progressive scan anyway. Even the fucking Dreamcast that came out two years before most of its games support 480p mode.

[Anonymous No.6056830]

>>6056812
if RARE made Wave Race

[Anonymous No.6056832]

>>6056823
Why not play the superior Xbox version without all the shit on your screen?

[Anonymous No.6056835]

>>6056827
Yeah but some PS2 games, even those that don't support progressive scan, still render under 32-bit color

here's a bit of trivial, the GameCube is physically incapable of rendering anything higher than 24-bit color, and if you use destination alpha then each color only uses 6 bits (which is only 1 bit per color higher than 5th gen consoles) which is why Wind Waker has lots of banding if you look closely

[Anonymous No.6056848]

>>6056830
k

[Anonymous No.6056879]

>>6056652
no it doesn't, it's immediately recognizable as a PS2 game because of the number of 3d background elements, and the terrain.

JFG is still fucking ugly.

[Anonymous No.6056887]

>>6054895
Nice catch

[Anonymous No.6056891]

>>6054413
Early rare was fucking amazing. They released classic game after classic game.
Microsoft ruined everything. Even the reformed company isn't producing near the quality of 90's Rare. Those games are still a mind blowing adventure to play.

[Anonymous No.6056896]

>>6054782
>>6054796
Worst opinions I have ever seen on 4chan.
You deserve worse than death. You deserve strangulation by a boa with acid skin while a boar eats your genitals.

[Anonymous No.6056904]

>>6054846
More colours and they likely hadn't gotten the saturation right at that stage.
Late PS2 had better saturation.

>>6056717
>>6056765
Well this is news to me, I still think they could have compensated for this.

[Anonymous No.6056913]

>>6056765
You'd think sony would have made a console better than that, given they had experience with the Ps1.
PS3 was ok too... just a bad run with PS2?

Still, that machine still is the most selling machine even with that (only PS4 and soon the Nintendo Switch will come close). I had way more games on it mainly because you could finally pirate the games. I'm sure that was why many people bought a PS2 instead of other consoles early on. N64 games were just too difficult to pirate for people.
Strangely though, I spent more time on my N64 than my PS2, mainly because games like Zelda, Mario, Jetforce, Banjo, Donkey Kong, etc were just so much more fun.

Rare was about making fun games at the start... now it's just making boring games.

[Anonymous No.6056921]

>>6056896
If Skyrim was ported to the Raspberry Pi, it would still run smoother than late N64 RARE games on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.6056935]

>>6056913
PS2's hardware has a lot of quirks because its GPU is essentially an array of 16 upgraded PS1 pixel pipelines, and 8 upgraded PS1 texture units. As a consequence of that, Sony were fairly economical in how they could upgrade the PS1 pipes/units with modern features.

For example, Sony gave the PS2 mipmapping support, but did in such a half-assed way that it's basically useless, probably to save on chip space.

While the PS2 *does* have working anti-aliasing (hell, those transparent cubes you see on boot-up? they're being anti-aliased) they implemented old school edge anti-aliasing like the N64 and Voodoo used. The thing about it is that it was barely ever used on Voodoo because the performance cost is too high (it only works if polygons are manually sorted from back to front, defeating the whole point of a z-buffer). N64's GPU cleverly got around this restriction by deferring part of the AA process (actually making edge AA usable), but the PS2 didn't do that. So it got stuck with an AA feature that was too expensive to use.

I heard Summoner might actually use it, but that game has pretty bad performance and a shockingly bad draw distance (although it's not a bad game).

[Anonymous No.6056949]

>>6056921
I really didn't care about visual quality though. Rare was all about making fun games. It could look like shit and I'd still play it because the game mechanic and story was so fucking awesome.
People focus on graphics too much. When the gameplay is impeded by them though... (which happens a lot in Skyrim which is so poorly bug checked because Bethesda can't bug check).
Look at people's opinions on fallout too, the games written outside of bethesda are considered better than the ones they made. NV had similar bugs to that era fallout bethesda games, but was superior on the game writing and gameplay.

People care about writing and gameplay over looks.
Fuck I played witcher 1 the other day, looks ok for it's age, plays like an ass to the point I had to stop like after 10 mins.

[Anonymous No.6056951]

>>6055635
The Dam is a solid candidate for best opening level in a game. It still somehow looks great and does a fantastic job of really showcasing the game's mechanics. It's way more iconic than the actual movie sequence its based off.

[Anonymous No.6057024]

>>6056935
How do you know so much and how do I learn?

[Anonymous No.6057097]

>>6056830
>this autismo is still at it

[Anonymous No.6057224]

>>6056904

>>6057024
And to add to that its biggest competitor the Xbox has like the cleanest purest mountain spring video quality you can imagine. and its the only sixth gen console you can just hook straight up to an HDTV and not lose any quality, hook it up to a 4k TV a 1080 monitor or a CRT it looks great on all of them

[Anonymous No.6057287]

>>6057024
Programming old 3D cards / homebrew and reading the relevant reference guides that went with them.

>>6057224
Only problem with the Xbox's video quality is that early GeForce cards had a compromised implementation of DXT1 texture compression with below-spec interpolation resulting in textures with color banding. And lots of Xbox games used DXT1 textures because the console was very memory bandwidth limited. That's one thing I've got to hand to GameCube, they actually implemented S3TC (which is basically the same thing) properly.

Ironically the only console in that entire generation which didn't compromise on image quality at all was the Dreamcast. The PowerVR2 also has pretty much perfect 32-bit -> 16-bit framebuffer dithering when that was used.

[Anonymous No.6057309]

>>6054418
I do love the early PS2 games, which is just ported PS1 stuff in 480p + 60hz without possible stutter due insane hardware advancements.
Sure, there is a lot of graphical advancements since you are no longer limited to what the PS1 could do on screen without drawing errors, but they are just more polygons.

[Anonymous No.6058180]

>>6054865
Early art for jfj was great, vela was 90s sexy. Then they did a bait and switch at the last minute.

Was this the beginning of pandering to sjws?

[Anonymous No.6058348]

>>6056320
Fun game though. Never really see it mentioned anywhere.

[Anonymous No.6058370]

>>6058348
This is the absolute best part of Summoner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zng5kRle4FA

[Anonymous No.6058735]

>>6058370
>dan harmon
gross. the graphics in this look awesome though.

[Anonymous No.6059839]

>>6054865
REVIEWS
CAN
NOT
BE
PAID
FOR!
Stop perpetuating lies you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.6059850]

>>6054796
The DKC games were pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.6059913]

>>6059839
Uhh...