/vr/ - Retro Games

What’s THE #1 most realistic shader of all time?

>>6047352
Reality

>punished edition

>>6047349
https://modesto.craigslist.org/ele/d/empire-pvm-20m4u-600-obo/7030681923.html

should I?

>>6047553
>$600
No. Just get a consumer set.

>>6047553
fuck yeah

>>6047553
No. Get a 20L5.

There was no way I could haul this thing on top of the dresser by myself so I took the dresser out of the room and put the tv in its place. I’m gonna install some shelving units above the tv for my games and move the posters somewhere else, I’ll post some pics of the tv working later on but I tested it couple hours ago with mortal kombat II and it looks and works amazing, way better than the small tv next to it

I have 4 crts now, damn I’m starting to be a hoarder

>>6048060
I've got 2 CRTs now, both for free, but still. I would get chewed out if I brought another one home.

>>6044931
Compensate how?

>>6048068
I've got 11 but I'm selling 2 of them. Trying to downsize as I've found what I like and I'm just going to stick with that.

>>6047553
No, you're in Cali, buy a 20L5 from Spiderwaffle in LA if you're gonna spend that much on a PVM.

>>6048060
In terms of what is currently functionally accessible, I have 8, though 5 of those are in arcade cabinets.

>>6048079
hi spiderwaffle. go shill your overpriced shit elsewhere you scalper.

>there will never be new CRTs
>the phosphorous in all existing CRTs has already broken down and even the most expensive PVMs now produce hideous degraded images

>>6048105
I guess it depends on usage. My NEC XP29 was apparently a backup monitor that was never put to use, so it bordered on NOS.

>>6048105
There will be a company that offers new CRTs again for niche hobbies like gamers when demand and price get high enough. It's just a matter of time. You might die first.

>>6048118
Probably not, anon. I don't think you understand the cost of the machinery here. It far exceeds what you'd expect to make back in a niche market. CRTs are a technology that's only profitable when in widespread use.

>>6048124
It's just a matter of time. Militaries would rather spend the money to replace CRTs in special equipment than change to new screens which would change the weight and specifications of the equipment. When retro gaming as a hobby gets even bigger there will eventually come a point when these CRTs aren't just privately made military equipment but also niche hobby equipment.
Eventually, there will even be multiple companies that make special screens for retro gaming.
There will even be tiers of retro gaming TVs, cheaper ones that are new technology but have CRT's <9ms latency phosphors in curved glass, and more expensive ones that actually have vacuum tubes containing particle accelerators with magnetic deflection.
So you think CRTs will never be sold again even when there are 100 billion humans?
You are very naive.

>>6048136
>You are very naive

Jesus anon, you're cringe as fuck. No, nobody is going to spend money to create all the machinery needed to manufacture CRTs (let alone PVM-tier CRTs) for your niche hobby. It would lose money. This might surprise you, but investors aren't interested in throwing money away.

>>6048136
>literally delusional
>YA'LL JUST NAIVE

>>6048138
>create all the machinery
It's already created.
>>6048141
>delusional
This post won't age well.

>>6048118

It will be like those 3000$ turntables they sell to hipster audiofools to play their overpriced vynil records on right now...

>>6048136
The military only uses monochrome CRTs and those can just have their phosphors replaced easily. This isn't the case for a colour tube. You're a fucking idiot.

>>6048186
>The military only uses monochrome CRTs
What a stupid thing to believe.
>You're a fucking idiot.
The irony is strong.

IDK, it would be nice to think of CRT's being made again but like, if it even were to happen in 10 years time, flat panel technology will have gotten even better by then. Even as things are today, I've read accounts of lots of people who ditched their CRT because with an OSSC and a higher end panel they were finally happy enough with the picture to move on. What will the demand be like when you can pick up an LG E9 or etc off craigslist for $100 and FPGA's come down in price to make a 4K-capable linedoubler affordable?

Now, what I can picture a lot easier is some kind of /vr/ oriented flat panel being made with built in OSSC like capabilities, maybe even shader capability, but even that's a stretch.

Enjoy them while you can, guys

>>6048229
What would stop a rich nostalgiafag who wants to make a custom CRT with the best possible specs for retro gaming from doing it? Acting like CRTs will be gone forever is childish. There's no practical reason vacuum tubes would be impossible to manufacture in the future, and there will be a big incentive to in hundreds of years when the remaining CRTs have degraded, not to mention manufacturing equipment will have advanced.

>>6048250

>what would stop some rich nostalgiafag making a custom CRT

The desire to stay rich, I'd guess.

>acting like CRT's will be gone forever is childish

Yeah, definitely the mature thing is pining away for some gamer version of Elon Musk to come along in 20 years and make you a brand new 20L5 type monitor so you can play Super Mario Bros on it in the highest fidelity

Jesus christ, man, get a grip

>>6048250
The only child here is you. Go back the crt collective and post about your 8k gsync hdr crt pipedream, retard.

I don't think some people really understand that it's not like vinyl record players/records at all

the general market for music is about 1 bazillion times bigger than for video games released pre 2005

Not to mention the equipment for vinyl is way less fucking complicated to manufacture, and new material is released for those record players every single week

So yeah, you can cater to a niche there as a big electronics company because that niche is still probably at least in 7 digits globally

Again, just try to look forward to nice glass-panel OLEDs getting cheaper or MicroLED getting mainstream, better scalers coming out or etc, CRT production is never coming back

>>6048268
>Yeah, definitely the mature thing is pining away for some gamer version of Elon Musk to come along in 20 years and make you a brand new 20L5 type monitor so you can play Super Mario Bros on it in the highest fidelity
I wasn't implying I'm waiting to buy a CRT when they get re-released, I was just saying there will be a market for that.
>>6048286
>CRT production is never coming back
In the past 50 years we've gone from pen and paper to computers with internet and basic 3D printing. Imagine how much manufacturing technology will improve in another 50 years. And 500 years.
>So yeah, you can cater to a niche there as a big electronics company because that niche is still probably at least in 7 digits globally
So yeah, how about when retro gaming is a hobby 100x as big as it is now.
This is like people who hoarded specialty photography film because they thought the value would keep going up and told all newcomers into the hobby that film was never being manufactured again and all the factories were closing. Eventually the companies started making the specialty films again because analog photography became a niche hobby and the hoarded film became degraded over time.
CRTs will be made again some day when enough demand builds up.

>>6048313

You sound so fucking stupid, man

>when retro gaming is a hobby 100x as big as it is now

So, never? Lots of discussion on this board has revolved around the market for 4th/5th gen stuff having already reached it's peak because people who were around for it as kids became adults with money, bought what they wanted and fucked off, and speculators are pissed cause prices plateaued on a lot of stuff because the market /isn't/ growing

again, not even any kind of relevant analogy with photography. Film is something you can use to document things and create new art with at any point in time, not a display method for an already set in stone category of video games that can be played on any modern display too. I mean goddamn nigga grow a brain, jeez

>>6048360
>the hobby will get smaller
Shut up stupid.

>>6048362

Go to a vintage game store in 2019, see how pathetic and picked over it is and starting to be filled up with 7th gen shit and tell me that there's a bright future of expansion ahead for the 4th-6th gen gaming enthusiast community, to the point that it'll even get big enough for manufacturers to sink a ton of money into reactivating the production facilities necessary to make boutique CRT's

You must be high or something

>>6048362
Retrogaming has basically already peaked now as the NES-PS1 generation has hit their 30s and have disposable incomes and you can see that trend cresting with the rise of popular content creators and mass consumer reissues like the mini consoles etc.

Many of these people who hopped on the bandwagon will age or transition out, or simply grow bored with old games. Younger kids are going to have zero fucking interest in collecting these old systems for inflated prices beyond a tiny niche of hipsters. THIS is the golden age, it's all downhill from here.

Oh and there will never be a real retrogaming scene for anything post-PS2/GC for dozens of different reasons including digital distribution, backwards compatibility, increasing numbers of official ports and remasters, etc.

>>6048432
Golden age was 10+ years ago when you could get games for cheap. We've been in the dark ages for awhile. Only positive now I'd the prevalence and development of odes instead of modchips for later consoles and nice flashcarts.

>>6048362
We've peaked, and the market moved on to chinese SBC shitbox "mini" consoles which only support HDMI. Even analogue's enthusiast level FPGA shit only has HDMI out, because deep down every plastic hoarder wishes their vidya looked like unfiltered emulation.

It's both sad and disgusting.

>>6048453
I thought it was bullshit that eons gchd does 480i component but dchdmi only does HDMI. I guess I'm just in a minority of people that have a component capable crt but hasn't made the jump to rgb yet.

>>6048460
Component is nice, RGB is just too clean for gen 3-5.

>>6048462
Ya rgb seems like a big meme. Never had a problem with svideo and component.

>>6048462
Component and RGB look the same.

>>6048619
they don't. google ypbpr vs rgb comparison shots

>>6048624
They do, and googling that only confirms it.

>>6048635
put on your glasses anon, you're being silly

>>6048685
Post a picture that you think demonstrates a significant difference.

ah the goalposts shift, now anon has decreed himself the arbiter of significance

>>6047349
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>>6048695
The most you'll get is a pic of wii vs original hardware which isn't representative of what component actually looks like since the wii us 4:2:2.

>>6048105
>>6048138
What if I told you there is a building near my house manufacturing CRTs right now, and you are a retarded cringelord?

>>6049416
I would say you're a dirty, dirty liar.
>>6048160
Why would it be any different, it's a very niche market. But as long as the product is good...

>>6049419
>I would say you're a dirty, dirty liar.
You are retarded.

Kept this TV for years to hook it up to games and it has a fun house mirror effect mostly noticeable in 2d scrolling games. Would it be fixable in a service menu or should I get something else? Pic related is the model

>>6049525
Sounds like normal flat tube shit. Not much you can do about I'm afraid. You could try looking for a curved tube, they don't really have this issue since the glass is mostly uniform in thickness.

>>6049556
that's what is thinking. Oh well it's not exactly top of the line I'll look for a free curved one

>>6049556
are there flats that don't warp like that. Like Sony trinitron?

>>6049601
No, they all have this. It's because the glass is flat on the outside but not on the inside, so you have varying thickness of glass which creates a sort of lens effect. Even PC monitors have this to a degree but their deflection circuitry is a hell of a lot more advanced than a TV. I have an FV310 which people will tell you is "le best crt tv evar!!1" and it still has this issue. I mostly play 3D games on it though so it's never really noticeable.

If you want to get a curved CRT to avoid this then I would suggest looking for a JVC D-Series, Toshiba Cinema Series, a Toshiba with the model number A3X or A5X(X being a number denoting the year it was made, like 27A45 for 2005), or a 90s Trinitron with the barrel tube. All of those except the 90s Trinitrons have component, unless you find an XBR48 or XBR88 from Sony. Those aren't flat and do have component. It's also less noticeable on smaller sets like a 14AF4X or KV-13FS100.

>>6049619
Worth noting that most of those '90s Trinitrons can be RGB-modded as well.

>>6049619
I appreciate the advice. It also seems like you're saying this warping can be common even on curved screens even if they're 24 to 27 inches if I'm not selective on model? Corner warping wouldn't be a big concern, the funhouse mirror effect kills my eyes though

>>6049745
Also when you say barrel tube trinitron you're referring to any curved trinitron model?

>>6049745
>>6049749
I've seen curved screens with a warping effect but I think that's more to do with poor geometry and failing capacitors in the deflection circuitry than the tube. And yes, barrel tube means curved Trinitron cause they have the profile of a barrel.

>>6049757
thanks. I won't rush to get an unsuitable one

>>6047349
Hey neat, that's the picture I took of junk CRTs that my local Toys R Us chucked out back when they were closing. It's really a shame they were so beat up, I might have given them a home.

>>6047553
I have a 20M4U that I really love, but 600 is a lot of fucking money.

>>6048079
I had a 20L5 for a while because I wanted it for playing 480p stuff, but in practice, it's a pretty inconvenient set to use if you're going to also be playing 240p stuff, since each resolution fucks up the geometry settings for the other one. And all those buttons on the sides of the screen work incredibly counterintuitive to how you think they would. It's best if you use it as a secondary monitor, only for 480p stuff, but then, at that point, you'd be better off hunting down a nice computer monitor.

>>6048619
Not exactly the same, but honestly it's close enough that you wouldn't even notice, depending on the game and the particular monitor you're using.

>>6048467
It's not that there's a problem with those signals, it's just that RGB is ultimately better, but not better enough to hunt down a monitor for it if you've already got a nice component-capable set.

My set has sweet stereo speakers but they are hotwired into mono, bummer

>>6050873
toss in a cheap stereo amplifier from ebay. they make tiny ones that work off low voltage that would fit in there and can leech power from somewhere in the circuit.

I've got a weird problem. I have a PVM 1342Q, an older model without an OSD service menu. The display occasionally works as expected, but most of the time the picture is extremely dark, with only bright blue or red areas showing up clearly on the screen. Bright white, gray, and black all show up as black. Mixed colors like brown, purple, or yellow don't show up either. I connected it to a PC by s-video and adjusted the color saturation, brightness, and contrast sliders on the PC and found that adjusting saturation made the blue and red areas much brighter, but adjusting contrast and brightness made no visible change at all.

It's almost like it's only displaying a chroma signal and missing the luma part, except I get the exact same problem with a composite signal as well.
When it works, it's usually right after turning on, then after a few minutes the picture snaps back to this no-luma mode. I don't have any RGB tables to test those inputs, only composite and s-video.

>>6049619
you mean you can't remove the flat panel from the front and use the curved one behind it instead?

>>6051104
Seeing as you never spot a flat tube with cataracts I don't think any manufacturer ever made a tube in this way. It's all one piece of glass.

I will post some (poor, sorry about that) images of the bizarre problem I'm having. This is what the SMPTE color bars from the 240p test suite look like. As you can see, anything with equal RGB values renders as black, and mixed colors become very dark the more similar their RGB values are.
It's almost as if the color being rendered is the difference between the intended color and the nearest shade of pure gray (i.e., subtract the whole luma part).

Now here's the color ramps from the 240p test suite. Shades of pure red, green, or blue seem to render just fine (though the greens are dim), but the grayscale ramp that is supposed to render below them doesn't show up at all. The yellow number line that is supposed to be printed across the top of the image is barely visible.

What could possible cause something like this? While I was doing these tests, the monitor flipped back to displaying colors properly for a few seconds. When it transitions from one to the other, I see horizontal bands of the image briefly flickering between the "dark" and "normal" modes. If I slap the side of the unit while this is happening I can briefly prolong the period of normal rendering. Sometimes mashing the input selection buttons in quick succession between live and dead inputs will also trigger it to switch.

>>6051175
if you can smack the monitor and get it to work temporarily then the suspect is likely bad solder joints. these are easy to fix but sometimes hard to find.

>>6051185
That would also be consistent with the flickering horizontal bands I see, which indicate the connection coming undone multiple times within a single refresh cycle due to vibrations.

I've just done a quick test in photoshop. I took a colorbar image, turned it to grayscale, and then subtracted the grayscale from the original image. The result looks exactly like what I see on my monitor.
If the problem is a bad joint (easily a plausible suspect on this 27 year old display), does this failure mode tell me anything about where I will find the problem?

>>6051206
it's probably in the video decoder circuit or around there. you could also check the dials on the front.

>>6051108
>don't think
so you're saying there's a chance for someone brave enough

>>6051391
there's a line between bravery and stupidity, and you'd be charging head-fast across it by attempting something like this. tube implosion is a serious danger you know.

Finally remembered I have a DC that I can get the 240p test suite running on to send my FV310 some test patterns

It's looking.. not incredible, but not terrible. Has anyone had success using the service menu pincushion adjustments? Still don't have a remote, when I get one I think just dialling in vertical/horizontal size and doing whatever can be done to address the pincushioning/vertical bowing in the service menu should have me happy for good. Maybe get some convergence strips and see if the corners can get more locked in but I'm not seeing much reason to fuck around with the yoke, fortunately.

I honestly wonder if corner convergence is such a common issue on Wegas partially due to the tech, but also because they werent really totally concerned with how video games looked on it, particularly 2D ones where you're really gonna see these things. With proper aspect ratios for movies being a touted feature coming out of the VHS pan n scan era, who cares if the corners are a bit off so long as the center of the screen where people are actually looking is super sharp?

Also, it's really fun to watch old 4:3 TV dvds via component on this thing, and any NTSC 60i video. Underrated feature of having a decent crt

>>6051175
Looks like the video ground or luma connection is dodgy somewhere

>>6048141
>>6048138
>>6048136
>>6048118
>>6048148
>>6048124
IBM has a patent from 2001 on a 2 centimeter thick crt called a magnetic matrix display. They said it was super cheap to produce but never did anything with it or licensed it out....

you can find the patents out with some googling, here is some info:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038110101000892

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/16/technology/what-s-next-after-decades-of-frustration-the-picture-tube-slims-down.html

>>6051720
here is one of them:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6f/18/6d/6e45b8c0901243/US6975289.pdf

>>6051720
>>6051731
Cool. FED and SED were actually in the prototype phase, made it to trade shows, and was on the way to mass production. They similar in principle and look how that turned out. It's never happening so quit dreaming and come back to reality.

hey guys I could use a little help. I'm trying to determine the pinout of this zenith monitor's rgb port and I've found this 2A5/5A2 cable between the main module and the neckboard which shows it having the reg green blue signals, but my multimeter is only getting a reading from the leftmost pin, and it shows up on both pins 14 and 15 of the input.
Can anybody tell me where on the circuitboards I should check to find the right pinout?
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/zenith/monitor/585-148_CV-2562_Color_Monitor_Service_Manual_1985.pdf

>>6052363
That connector carries the post-amplification RGB signals to the neckboard. You need to find where the external RGB input connects to the main module before the amplification stage. I already gave you my best guess as to what to try last time you asked about it, so check the archive.

If a tv has a scart output wIth RGB, does it always have a RGB mode on top of AV?

>>6052385
you're right, you did. I'll start from there then, thanks

>>6049757
there was a 27 trinitron locally for 25 that by the time I saw it it was already posted for over week so missed out. Happy to know they exist out there still

>>6053637
I could go pick up like 3 curved trinitrons for free right now if I wanted. Must be a dry market where you live.

My PVM 1342Q that was acting up yesterday seems to be working mostly fine now. I found that the surface it was on was slightly unlevel, and wedging something under one of the corners of the monitor seems to keep whatever the loose connection is a little tighter. Once the set has been on for several hours and is warm all over, the connection also seems more solid.

The geometry is noticeably distorted though. I learned how to calibrate the colors at least. A friend moved and gave this to me and I don't know very much about CRTs, as you can probably tell. Since this is an older model I understand I would probably have to crack it open and mess around with things attached to the picture tube to fix the distortion, which is probably beyond the realm of what I can realistically expect to do safely.

>>6053647
If you open it up the A board has a group of potentiometers in the corner which are used for geometry adjustment.

>>6053641
the radius where I live has a lot of people even though I'm in a small town. Los Angeles cesspool is only about 40 miles away from where I live. There's seems to be a giant market of resellers flipping anything worth anything of value. Most worthwhile listings contain "gaming" phrases as well with that accompanying price gouge. Scouring local independent thrift stores and timing cheaper listings probably my best bet

>>6053679
oh, if you live near LA then that's both the best and worst place to be for CRTs lol. Just depends on how deep your pockets are.

>>6053682
at some point id end up giving up and getting an ossc if the prices are about the same. I'm holding out hope as a good crt looks incredible to my eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvRyVZWuvQ4

:)

>>6055559
I'd love to try Quake 2 rtx on a crt, it looks like a good time.

What is this and how the fuck do I use it

>>6055615
EIAJ 8-pin. Used by certain early Japanese computers and a huge pain in the ass to find adapters for. I have a monitor with one and I ended up just adding a normal DE-9 connector to the chassis.

>>6055615
PVM-1390 I take it?
https://manualmachine.com/sony/pvm-1390/1166036-user-manual/

>>6055625
It's a cpd-1310, which I can find nearly nothing about

>>6055624
Howd you go about doing that? What consoles do you connect to it? The fact theres a digital/analog switch makes me think itll handle consoles if I could use it

>>6047442
I have so many mixed feelings about that gif.

>>6055639
looks like a cut down KX-14CP1. the pinout on that port should be the same as the KX-14CP1, PVM-1390, and KV-1311CR.

>>6055652
Awesome, thank you

>>6055615
Mine has that port and calls it "VTR." It's not very useful because the only pins that are actually connected are composite video input and mono audio input. The manual just describes it as "used for connecting audio and video with one cable."

>>6055659
That's the normal use for this port. Sony's implementation is unusual, which is usual for them to do lmao

>>6055670
My monitor is a sony though. That pinout is from a Sony manual.

>>6055681
I know, but sometimes they stuck RGB onto that port.

>>6055648
I took a DE-9 serial cable, cut off one end, and soldered it to the back of the EIAJ connector. My monitor is digital (RGBI) only, so I use it with my CGA PC. It could pretty easily be modified for analog RGB input as well if I wanted to, but I have other monitors for that.

So not directly /vr/ but crt related. What's the benefit of vcrs like pic related? They're pretty old so it looks like composite is the best they can do.
They're pretty cool looking and I think I have a line on a couple of them in various states. I should say that I don't have any desire to try to sell them so their monetary worth doesn't really matter to me. I'm mostly interested in picture quality and features.

>>6055704
Woops. I guess theyre pretty pointless without the big ass umatic tapes

>>6055729
>>6055704
yeah that's not going to be very useful to most people as it's a u-matic player. also, vhs and beta-max are composite at best anyways. you should try to find an s-vhs player.

>>6055730
Yeah, Ive run into some S-VHS players but have been waiting for an S-video vhs player. They seem to have existed for a bit, but I don't really want to pay $100 for a vcr.
Thanks.

>>6048186
>>6048212
What militaries? Was in the Army from 11-17 and I only saw a CRT in a old National Guard chow hall.

>>6055739
Just so you know, you'll barely see any improvement using s-video with standard vhs tapes. It'll be similar to using a good comb filter. Just stick with a normal vcr if you're not super into that shit and are going to get s-vhs tapes.
>>6055741
From what I remember in my research they're used in very few aircraft readouts and that's basically it. That has more to do with how long the service life of some of that shit is than anything else though. That other anon is a troll I'm pretty sure, so you can safely ignore them. If they're not a troll then they're definitely just a child who shouldn't be here.

>>6055704
>I'm mostly interested in picture quality and features.
VHS tape bandwith is pretty low, which is why most don't even bother with s-video. Basically what this guy>>6055747 said. The difference you see on the screen is going to be more down to quality of the mastering of the tape and the quality of the equipment itself than the signal, and unless you're watching late '90s/early '00s tapes, typically the source is completely un-remastered from the original print, which once again, is going to completely negate any video quality boost you may have gotten from s-video. Later tapes, though, often got the same digital remastering as their DVD counterparts, so those can look pretty fantastic, even just through composite.

I picked up a Sony SLV-676UC about a year ago for 10 bucks. It's an editing VCR and has all kinds of fancy shuttle and audio controls, but I never really use them because I have no real reason. It's been one of the best VCRs I've ever owned, despite being almost 30 years old.

Laserdiscs have the same 'problem,' the signal encoded on the disc is composite and players only have s-video outputs if they have an advanced comb filter or something like that.

>>6055839
A year before this, I was the kind of guy who would have laughed at hipsters who unironically watch VHS tapes in current year, but I have to say, nabbing the cheap VCR for shits actually gave me an appreciation for it. They don't look or sound nearly as bad as people want you to remember, at least as long as you've got decent equipment.

>>6055861
That looks good. I'm thinking I can buy a vcr and treat thrift stores like a blockbuster. My local place has a wall of vhs tapes and sells them for 50 cents. I figure I can go browse, buy a couple of tapes, then just re donate them when done. I like the limited selection, it helps me pick something out. Pirating is great for new stuff or collecting, but for random watching I like THE WALL

>>6055895
Yeah, thrift stores are great, and it's pretty fun to see some of the wacky shit that made it to VHS. Just be mindful of mold. Like half the tapes at my local thrift shop are always specked with mold because people stored them in humid attics or basements for decades before selling them. They can be cleaned, but it honestly just isn't worth the trouble for 50 cents.

I've been having a blast looking at my old home movies. My mom must have had a fucking top-of-the line camera because the image on these is crisp as fuck and the tracking is always flawless. It doesn't come across as well in photos because you're only seeing half the interlaced image, but here's us as Disney World in 1988, anyway. I'm the faggot in the Goofy hat.

>>6055941
>posting your mom's tiddies on 4channel
Anon, what are you doing

Got this stack of old VCRs we've had over the years and the belts on all but one of them have turned to black goo. Hats off to Panasonic for making a VHS player with only a single toothed belt made out of a polymer instead of rubber. This thing is likely going to last a couple more decades without mechanical problems.

found a Sony kv-35s42. is the geometry ok on this unit? would need to drive about an hour to pick up. Pretty dry market here

>>6056328
nobody here can tell you how the geometry on that particular set is going to look. that's the fun of analog tvs, they all look different. but if you get a remote it has service menu which you can use to adjust the image, it probably wont need more than a resize of the raster though.

>>6056335
I suppose generally, like the fun house effect I kept seeing on flat screens. inherent tech issues with types

>>6056339
it should be fine for that. and that's generally called horizontal bowing or just bowing.

This has my interest, anyone heard of these RCA RGB cables yet? I'm super tempted to give them a shot as they're pretty cheap and NOT scart.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-RGBS-RCA-Cable-For-Sega-Saturn-For-Sony-PVM-BVM-NEC-XM-UPSCALER-BNC-Not-Comp/114001766155?hash=item1a8b08e70b:g:GKUAAOSw7CBdWmD9

>>6056438
I feel like anything from China for that low of a price is probably going to be of questionable quality, but you're welcome to try it out and tell us if it's any good.

>>6056462
I might try it since it's cheap and the connectors look like this pair of multiconsole connectors that I used for ages, if I do get a cable I'll post a pretty thorough review.

>>6056438
Guaranteed you'll get audio buzz at the very least.

>>6055985
It's okay, anon, she's dead inside, now. That woman is no more.

>>6056438
Looks like they just married a Saturn connector with a Playstation 2 component cable.

Spaniard here. Just saw a Mitsubishi Diamond Plus near my area. Its about 1 hour from me and looks pretty decent.
Is it worth the drive?

>>6047442
why do westerners (specially capitalist america) throw away stuff just based on the fact that "its old"

>>6048313
i'm already here, bitch.

>>6048362
Good counterpoint. Well that settles it!

>>6058073
you lucky mother fucker

>>6058075
Our time and effort is actually valuable and worth money. We're the richest country in the entire world, bringing in over $20 Trillion per year.

was going to get a Sony trinitron but 35" is just too big and heavy at around 200lbs. will keep looking

>>6048060
currently have something like 15 crt tvs and 2 crt computer monitors. I'm gonna get rid of some sooner or later, but I'll probably just replace them with better ones

>>6058648
>Got a splitter to send it to all of them simultaneously
Now that's CRTtism

>>6048060

>>6058720
What game is that? A SMT entry?

>>6058778
Ye, smt 1

>>6058648
Yeah i gotta agree with that other anon. The splitter is a really nice touch, and the shot is lovely too.

>>6058720
Looks COMFY A F im jealous

>>6058648
Holy autism, batman.
>>6058128
Wow you penis, so big.
>>6056438
Looks nice actually.
>>6056518
That is in no way guaranteed. It's not even too likely since it doesn't carry 5VDC like a SCART would.
I use component PS3 cables for RGB+stereo from my PSX, and use the RCA on the back for sync. No buzz, and this is one of those shitty old multi-console cables that also supports the 360 and wii.

>>6055995
Once again, Matsushita shows why it's the best manufacturer.

>>6055995
that said, that looks like a japanese VCR. Pretty sure I see some kana.

>>6052363
you again?
Get a DA-15 male connector and start hooking anything (probably a composite video signal would do) to each of the pins in turn.

You're looking at the wrong spot on your schematic, too.

>>6050673
>20l5's best if you use it as a secondary monitor, only for 480p stuff, but then, at that point, you'd be better off hunting down a nice computer monitor.
You've seen the light.
>>6055747
>That other anon is a troll I'm pretty sure, so you can safely ignore them. If they're not a troll then they're definitely just a child who shouldn't be here.
They've fucked around with prior threads, too. Ignore them.
>>6047416
Jim Morrison? In my /crt/?

I don't agree with pic but anon didn't post it so I'm doing it for him pre-emptively

I'd forgotten about this gem of a line.

>>6058865
How's it like living on a perpindicular plane to the ground?

>>6058828
any noticable bowing in games on that model?

>>6047349

>>6058648
With that many the "splitter" must be a distribution amplifier right? Was it cheap? Did you find it in the wild or order it especially for this purpose?

are there any decent scart splitters on the market or would I be better swapping the cables or having multiple crts?

>>6058839
Jimbo loved his crt tv big and wide

>>6055861
my vhs collection is made up of tapes i find that just seem cool to own. i found some old 411VM tapes in great condition recently. i remember seeing them on tony hawk pro skater 3 back in the day but never in person. found some anime tapes, a rocky box set of the first 5 movies. the original star wars before the edits. VHS is a fun form of movies.

Is there a good trick to taking photos of a CRT? I cannot into photography.

This is same srceen, same phone taken seconds apart but the phone either gets clear scan lines and dark image, or gets more brightness at a loss of detail. It is fickle depending on what auto-focus feels at that instant. What manual settings should be used here?

>>6059490
And of course neither photo does the actual display justice.

>>6059490
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/6kptfl/how_should_one_go_about_taking_pictures_of_their/djo3fsa/

>>6059380
These images need jrpgs edited into the screens.

>>6058128
>we

>>6059107
Not sure what you mean by bowing, so assuming no.
Talking about geometry?
>>6059490
1/60
iso 400-800
color temp. 6500°K
…in my case.

>>6059685
WE

A few weeks back someone pointed me to the new Zealand guy selling the RGB/Component cards for these monitors. Shipping took a while but it worked beautifully.

For now just running component on it. Hunting the right RGB cables still for the various consoles.

>>6059634
Im thinking Jim would have been more of a visual novel kind of man.

>>6058128
>Our time and effort is actually valuable and worth money
even if what you say is all true wouldnt it make sense that therefore you save old TVs and monitors instead of wasting time buying new ones?

>>6059701
Very temporary setup in the den. That is the sony I rescued for $0 and it came with a piece of shit DVD player for all my old anime. It feels right watching it on a smaller 4:3 screen.

>>6058906

yeah yeah

does anyone know how to upload images properly from a phone? I feel like I tried rotating it on the phone once and it still came out sideways

anyways, fixed

>>6059781

That's a nice FV300. 24"?

>>6059851
Just a 20".

>>6059781
What make/model is that RGB monitor?

>>6059882
this one right here:
>>6059701

JVC DTV 17" broadcast monitor

>>6059857

Nice. I love my 32" 310 but I'd probably like it even more if it didn't weigh 170lbs.

BTW, maybe someone knows this - It's been said that the tube in the 27" FV310 is technically of better quality than the 32/36. A 27" FV300 has popped up for free locally, does anyone know if the same also applies to that line/model?

I'm kinda tempted to check it out to have a backup that I can actually carry myself lol, I understand it doesn't have a HVR but that's not of much importance to me

>>6059895
I wanted to keep things under 27" so I am happy with the smaller V300 and DTV.

I think a 24" FV3XX would have been perfect, but free is free.

>>6059701
I am also considering making that third card slot the SCART one. I wanted BNC to test the monitor itself as that was the esasiest, but now lookign at RGB cables and adapters i kind of want the SCART card as well just to avoid adapters and clutter.

$65 bucks to add a nice and simple SCART port to the monitor, which is only twice the price of a SCART to BNC adapter.

>>6059916

Honest question, what is the point of going through this effort if you already have component? Is it just to have a direct input for systems that don't have component out easily available?

>>6059916
buy jams shit uwu

How do you deal with geometry issues on CRTs? I literally cant unsee them and they ruin my enjoyment. I've spent several magnitudes more time fucking with the yoke and service menu than I have actually playing games

>>6060094
That's why I switched to an LCD gaming monitor for my actual gaming. Nowadays I only use my CRTs for taking pictures to post in this thread.

>>6059967
Not him, but you can purchase scart cables pretty easily for most consoles. It just avoids a pigtail adapter or making/buying custom cables. It makes sense, I mean, if you have an empty expansion, why not put something in there.

>>6060094
>How do you deal with geometry issues on CRTs
Lose the 'tism and just play the games. If your CRT is fucky either fix it or get a different one. Flat screens are pretty much unavoidable as far as geometry problems.

>>6059781
>Music by kou otani
Based

>>6059701
Make them.
>>6059847
I use jpegtran in termux on my phone to strip the EXIF rotation data and perform rotations losslessly.
Using a different camera app may also help but I can't guarantee that. I use Open Camera.
>>6059950
Wow you're so smart

>>6059695
I keep thinking of it as the funhouse mirror effect

are all consumer flats horrible for games? could get this PV-DF2035 for free

didn't we used to have a discord?

>>6060094

Don't try to unsee them, just embrace that it's not gonna be 100% perfect and play the games

>>6060394

Flat CRT geometry issues typically are most visible on 2D horizontal scrolling games. Mine has a bit of a wave to it, but it's basically imperceptible when I'm playing most 3D stuff, so it depends what you're into

why are CRT enthusiasts almost always weebs or trannies?
seriously turning me off from this hobby

>>6060485

it's similar to Sonic in that it's extremely basic, extremely esoteric (at least if we're talking about Sonic comics and stuff) and very based around basal dopamine releases without much engagement (it's literally about obsessing over input lag and bright color), very similar to the appeal of the old Sonic games and/or speedrunning, unsurprisingly all of these things overlap and are filled with trannies/weebs/furries

>>6060460
2d primarily. Is service menu tinkering a viable solution?

>>6060524

Entirely dependent on model/brand and what issues are present.

Sizing issues are totally fixable that way, I don't think unless you have a later HDCRT that there are any menu options for convergence, you'd have to get some magnetic strips and do your best. SD WEGAs often have an option that relates to pincushion distortion that may help

It's never gonna be 1:1 accurate because its not a digital display. You could spend a bunch of money on a PVMeme and still have some imperfections so the most practical course of action is - keep an eye out, get the best set you can, dont pay anything over 50 if at all, see what you can iron out if there's stuff wrong, learn to love it

>>6060485
>why is a hobby for retarded social outcasts full of retarded social outcasts?
it's almost as if you're a retarded social outcast too, just like them

>>6060554
good advice thank you

>>6060485

Because the only practical use for a CRT in 2019 is grown adults playing old video games. Do you think its generally really well adjusted chads and upstanding citizens that are into /vr/, browse 4chan, and just play them on LCD's? Use your common sense

>>6060554
is lineage something that strip adjustments and additions can noticably improve as well?

>>6060568
vhs and laserdiscs?

>>6060698

Sorry pedantic anon, yes, also grown adults choosing to level up their desperate nostalgia tripping. My point stands, only weirdos see it as more desirable to watch a VHS copy of a movie on a tiny 4:3 screen over copping a massive LCD for nothing that can display high res, non interlaced versions of all that shit because ~soul~

>>6060485
>why are CRT enthusiasts almost always weebs?
What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan.
>>6060394
If it's free it's not bad.
>>6060412
Discord is shit, use IRC

>>6060306
>funhouse mirror effect
Good way to describe it.
my 20L5 does that, but not my little JVC monitor.

>>6048148
>It's already created.
Yeah, and they have already taken them apart and scrapped.

>>6058831

It's not kana, the blurry photo i got off the net just makes it look that way. It being japanese is no guarantee for anything, the other VCRs with the bad belts are a Toshiba and a Hyundai and both use the exact same mechanism on the inside, only the electronics and case are different.

>>6058075
no idea, i dont tend to replace things until they brake, hell i got a new phone and didnt end up using it for 6 months as my old phone ended up lasting longer than expected

>>6059282
so the way I had this set up was: console av out to tv 1, tv1 av out to tv 2, av to rf through some dinky RadioShack rf switch, and from there its just a series of rf cables and splitters chained together in series going to every other tv. I could make a list of all the tvs, but obviously most are just consumer sets I picked up of the side if the road and are nothing special

>Boomer who sells mitsubishi CRT asks for 30€
>Most i paid was 15€ for a crt monitor
How do i convince this spaniard to bring price down?

>>6061321
It’s all supply and demand. If he finds someone willing to pay that price, then whatever. If not it’s his loss

>>6060738
I guess I see it as people going to the nostalgia well or just committing to it at a little higher level earlier. most older people I've known stuck with all the music, movies, shows, and technologies they experienced in their formative years. my grandfather stuck to black and white movies until he died but he also wasn't inquisitive about his tech so never bothered going further. Personally I wanted to have one small room in my house dedicated to the equivalent that I spent an hour or two in on the weekend but I suppose it's a spectrum like most things. I've come to appreciate crt technology as an adult and am only starting to go down that hole. A lot of it is that it was in front of me as a kid and I loved to tinker with tech, never thinking to open one up, or be allowed to, like I did with a vcr. inb4 nice blog

>>6061376
But I'm 23 and mostly play NES/SNES games, despite being born the year the N64 launched. I don't own anything newer than a Wii for TV consoles and an old 3DS which I use for easily pirated NDS games.

How good is the KV-32FS13? I happen to have one

>>6062015
it has component, s-video, and composite
it is also big as fuck so you can clearly see the muh 240pee scamlions
imo it is as good as a PVM

>>6055739
Anon I have a professional sony s-vhs player and am looking to sell. Are you in the new england area?
Got that and a JVC brs378u (damn it's a beauty). Planned on using one of them to record any possible high quality rips of interactivevision videos, but I'm now realizing why that wouldn't do much unless disney released all their rgb (or what have you) versions on the internet. I have some blank s-vhs tapes for sale too.

>>6062129
No, I'm on the west coast. How much do you want for it?

>>6062132
Well I'm not selling the JVC since it's way prettier, has more convenient s-video switching ports, and I'm pretty sure JVC is supposed to be the VHS brand since sony was wasting all their resources on betamax. Just as well too because the damn thing keeps eating tapes. Plays them just fine, but then it wont let go of the damn tape when ejecting. I'll figure out how to fix it eventually.
For the sony, Idk it's professional and works perfectly so I think anything less than like 50 would be a crime. I just remembered I also have a panasonic consumer s-vhs player that I could let go for like $20. It's missing the logo somehow and I never could find it, but it otherwise works perfectly.
pic related. Top is the panisonic player.

>>6062151
Where in New England are you located? My younger brother lives in Boston but is coming home for Christmas. I could potentially have him cart the thing for me.

>>6062164
Nashua, NH.
It's like an hour drive from there. Checking the ebay listings for the blank tapes they seem to go for about $5 or more so i could do something a bit under that depending on which type you want. They're all sealed, but some are st-30s and some are st-60s. I'll be honest, I don't know what the difference is supposed to be.
Also anything in that previous picture was also for sale if anyone was interested. It's the sale pile.

>>6062015
that's a good set

found a professional sony monitor but it's BNC only, should i get it anyway?

>>6062381
Serious question: are you retarded?

>>6062381
Yes

>>6062381
No, definitely not worth it.

>>6062381
Maybe

>>6062381
this thing

>>6062389
turns out it was black and white. gonna be an hero now

>>6062381
I don't know

>>6062381
Can you repeat the question?

It’s not gonna happen to my CRT, r-right bros...

>>6062650
As long as you keep brightness and contrast at reasonable levels, turn it off when you aren't using it, and aren't using it like an arcade cabinet Ie. 14 hours a day, playing the same demo, with the same shapes in the same spots wearing away at those same spots. You should be fine. Also, for pc crts, use dark modes to reduce phospher exposure in addition to setting up a screen saver since that's literally what they are for.

>>6061321
Tell him your going to buy from portoquese

>S-video on a consumer trinitron
literally all you need

>>6062650

If it ever does (it's not going to because only heavily used arcade monitors or other displays turned onto sports or news 24/7 etc)

At least I got it for $0

>>6062940

Maybe not what PVMemers want to hear, but what they need to hear.

>>6062951
I like s-video, but component or RGB are better. Just because you can't see the difference or don't care about the difference doesn't mean you have to begrudge those who can.

>>6048060
I dig what you did with the Elder Scrolls maps dude.

Do you think anyone has ever offed themselves by going inside with it all plugged in?

>>6063262
The difference is negligible. You’re a gullible boomer who fell for a meme.

>>6062940
euro consumer trinitron and rgb tho, cope amerimutts

>>6063294
>The difference is negligible
I mean, a lot of things are "negligible" but that doesn't mean we don't still strive for perfection. I recently played Skies of Arcadia on s-video because the game doesn't support 15khz RGB, and while it didn't look bad in the least, I was always acutely aware that the image was a little fuzzy and desaturated compared to RGB. Why should your complacence mean that others aren't allowed to appreciate something technically and factually better?

>>6063350
I'd argue that 3D games are where RGB is the least worth it in general, particularly pre 6th-gen but also for many 6th-gen games.

>>6063379
I wouldn't say "least worth it", but I would say that the difference is certainly less pronounced than it is with 2D games. Skies of Arcadia is kind of a bad example, though, because the textures in that game are gorgeous and the loss of clarity is quite noticeable for me. Besides, if you got your monitor for free like I did, then it isn't really that much effort to just use RGB when available.

If you want fidelity, use RGB. If you want nostalgia, use RF or composite. If you wish you could have RGB but you're too poor for an RGB monitor and too stupid to mod a consumer TV, cope with S-Video.

The monitor itself will make a more significant difference than the cable, just don’t use anything below s-video quality

I use RGB for everything 16 bit and up, but I find NES and Master System games just look more appealing thought composite or even RF. Theres just a noticable increase in 'texture' from RF that works well with the limited sprite and pallete functionality of 8-bit games.

Could just be me though. Like the UI here just looks more stylized

I have access to a free Toshiba cf36h40. anyone have any knowledge on their quality? I've never owned a Toshiba for games and the thing is a beast

>>6063350
>I was always acutely aware that the image was a little fuzzy and desaturated compared to RGB
Are you serious? I just did a test of my own. There's no way you noticed a difference, and the color is identical. Something must be wrong with your S-Video cord or ports.

>>6063612
Cope more. S-Video objectively does not have the chroma bandwidth to come anywhere near RGB color quality. The difference is immediately recognizable on anything bigger than about a 9" tube.

>>6063612
>I just did a test of my own. There's no way you noticed a difference
Some of us aren't blind, anon.

I can't believe the salt has gotten so bad that now people are trying to claim RGB is indistinguishable from s-video. That is retardation of the highest regard.

>>6063627
>anything bigger than about a 9" tube.
That probably explains it, then. I bet the only RGB monitor he has is an 8" PVM he paid $200 for on ebay.

how's a day or two of rain on these if someone dumps one outside?

>>6063778
Usually it'll be fine if you let it thoroughly dry before putting power into it. Might be worth opening it up and rinsing off the PCBs with high-percent IPA to help remove moisture and other contaminants.

I messed around with the service menu aspect ratio on my consumer jvc quite a bit, does a factory reset generally revert those settings or just the basic menu options?

>>6063350
RGB isn’t perfection. In fact, it’s objectively incorrect for the majority of games. Most were designed with less fidelity in mind.

>>6063786
>Might be worth opening it up and rinsing off the PCBs with high-percent IPA to help remove moisture and other contaminants.
>high-percent IPA
Are you insane? Even a Triple IPA with 15% ABV has way more sticky sugar and crap than quick-drying alcohol in it. At least use pure grain alcohol or something. The idea of drenching a PCB in beer as a way to clean it has got to be the strangest thing I've heard of since the old "clean your keyboard in the dishwasher" or "reflow your GPU in an oven" memes.

>>6063860
LMAO. Thanks for the laugh, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol

Dammit. I grabbed a set of PS2 component cables I saw at the thrift store the other day because I thought I'd be able to use them with a PSX and a sync-on-green PVM, but nope. I thought that both consoles could output RGsB but apparently only the PS2 can, and only sometimes. Can't even re-purpose the connector because it only has the necessary pins installed. Sucks, I thought I'd be able to experience real RGB from a console for the first time today.

Just picked up a cpd-g220r computer monitor for free, did I do good?

>>6063916
You can get one of the early PSXs with RCA jacks on the back and use composite video for sync. One thing is that the PSX doesn't have the capacitors on the RGB lines so you'd be DC-coupling your console and your monitor. I'd just use component on a PS2 to play PSx games.

IIRC the PS2 uses sync-on-green when outputting 480p and higher except when playing DVDs which always use YPbPr.

I don't see people talk about Hitachi crts. Are they pretty good quality for games?

>>6062184
Okay so I'm out on the vcr. My brother said he doesn't want to drive the two hours to scoop it and I have to agree with him. Plus he'd have to check a bag when coming home so it all adds up and I should just take a look locally. I'll start calling studios maybe. I doubt there's been as big of a demand for vcrs as there has been for crts. Thanks anyway, anon

>>6063916
>>6063951
Forget the SCPH-100X, it's shit in so many ways. Just get a g-con adaptor and run composite from that for sync.

If you really want to get fancy, open it up and swap the wiring for pins 5 and 6. That way you get luma sync rather than composite and a minutely sharper, more stable image.

You're welcome.

>>6063916
>>6063951
>>6064010
Or stop doing ghetto shit and just buy a proper RGB cable.