/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6043405]

You did remember to hook your retro consoles up to your hifi setup, right?

[Anonymous No.6043418]

>>6043405
Yep. The only games I play are the Ecco the Dolphin series.

[Anonymous No.6043421]

>it's a "'you're all audiocucked'-anon got triggered again" thread

[Anonymous No.6043454]

>>6043421
>it’s an “i bought a pvmeme with mono audio and have to defend my bad decisions online” poster

[Anonymous No.6043461]

>>6043418
How could you possibly not play Aquanaut’s Holiday?

[Anonymous No.6043463]

>>6043405
retro games are meant to be listened through shitty crt speakers

[Anonymous No.6043464]

>>6043463
Horrendous take. Why don’t you go ahead and say retro arcade games are meant to be listened to with deafening bar chatter and disco music on a loudspeaker?

[Anonymous No.6043490]

>>6043464
>arcade games are meant to be listened to with deafening bar chatter and disco music on a loudspeaker
There's some truth to this. Anyway, all of you are audio cucked. Yes. All of you.Even you OP, even you dolphin guy. AUDIO KEKS!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6043498]

>>6043405
>remember

[Anonymous No.6043512]

>>6043405
Don’t forget civil war era newspaper has the best audio quality.

[Anonymous No.6043517]

When you've hooked up your old consoles to a retro receiver and expensive speakers, you'll notice immediately how weak the sound on those things is. I have to crank my volume to max compared to watching a movie or listening to a record. The quality also has a very low ceiling due to the source.

[Anonymous No.6043545]

Posting tracks with good stereo mixes
https://youtu.be/SpPLGtG2Nk8

[Anonymous No.6043550]

>>6043545
https://youtu.be/XWdmVQBG7iE

[Anonymous No.6044209]

>>6043405
No, I use decent headphone amplifier with my headphones.

[Anonymous No.6044225]

>>6043463
And put vaseline on my eyes right?
>>6043517
Get better speakers

[Anonymous No.6044276]

>>6043454
>>6043464
>>6044225
Even from 3 feet away the speakers still fuck with the purity. I’ll keep them separate, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6044279]

>>6044276
Buy shielded speakers you dunce, very common in the crt days.

[Anonymous No.6044285]

>>6044279
I picked up these guys but the specs definitely lie: they aren’t magnetically shielded for shit. Or maybe they are but it’s not shielded enough to just put right on top of the tube. Since the drivers are pretty small, only 5 inches, moving it simply 1 foot away is enough of a gap. However I advise anyone looking to use powered monitors with their crt to take caution when you see “magnetically shielded” listed in the literature. Or just make sure they’re 1 foot away. I’m a JBL fiend and love the wide sound dispersion of the waveguide, so I just got these cus they were cheap for a new in box pair.

[Anonymous No.6044290]

>>6044285
>I’m a JBL fiend
When are you going Japanese level JBL fiend? Watch these dudes hoist 600lb speakers up to a small Japanese apartment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jyIdHuQWMg&t=103s

[Anonymous No.6044291]

Just use wireless Beat headphones, posers

[Anonymous No.6044297]

>>6044290
Way ahead of you. I’m looking to pickup a pair of 4355 eventually. The main problem is they require a ton of setup with external crossovers and at least two pairs of amps to sound their best. One day though, anon. One day.

[Anonymous No.6045958]

>>6043405
Damn straight.

[Anonymous No.6045961]

Want.

[Anonymous No.6045962]

>>6044290
>spends huge yen on that setup
>uses it to listen to some sort of non-native speaker cover version of literal granddad rock

[Anonymous No.6046313]

>>6043405
Since you can actually be lucky to have stereo with a lot of these games fucking no.

[Anonymous No.6046335]

>>6046313
wat

[Anonymous No.6046338]

>>6043512
>not smearing your speakers with special audiophile cream
Get a load of this casual.
https://www.mackenziehifi.com/pwb-cream-electret-32-p.asp

[Anonymous No.6046475]

>>6046335
Not all retro consoles are stereo (didn't start until 4th gen).

[Anonymous No.6046482]

>>6043405
I wouldn't say I have a hifi setup but I use a modern pair of powered 3.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" sub and I think the sound is amazing.

[Anonymous No.6046616]

I actually was looking into audiophile equipment and wondered what would go best with a retro setup.

[Anonymous No.6046796]

>>6043517
That just means your setup is weak as fuck. Been playing FFVI, and even though SNES audio is notably soft and muddy compared to other systems, the drums in the soundtrack, especially in areas like the veldt, is enough to rattle my windows. Any Genesis or Mega Drive game will cause an earthquake with the volume cranked.
>The quality also has a very low ceiling due to the source.
Um... no? You're literaly just making shit up to try and justify your lack of audio knowledge, and all you're doing is proving how much of a pleb you are.

>>6046313
Christ you guys really are fucking dumb. Do you even play these games you claim to love, or do you just collect them to have walls of gray plastic?

[Anonymous No.6047101]

>>6046616
The kicker is you don't even need audiophile equipment; that's just a meme perpetrated by shitposters. For starters, you could literally pick up random junk at a yard sale or consignment shop and it would BTFO any built-in TV speakers, especially if you're using a flatscreen. As for equipment suggestions, though, I won't get into playing favorites with brands, because honestly every brand has its share of good and bad units. My setup is all Sony because I'm an autistic faggot, but I also did a lot of research into the components to make sure I was buying decent stuff, and it took me many years of swapping things in and out to find something I really loved.

As far as speakers, the only recommendation I would make is to get 3-ways, which just means each speaker has three cones. Video game audio frequencies are clear cut and sharply segregated, especially on older stuff, which makes it a bit easier to lose certain ranges. Two-way speakers would be fine if that's all you can get, but when you trade up, you will hear the difference. I have a subwoofer because I like the walls to shake when there are explosions, but you honestly don't need one at all.

The only extra bit of equipment I would suggest, outside of an amp and speakers, is an equalizer. Like I said, older video game audio frequencies are sharply defined, and being able to tweak the sound to your liking is really handy, especially if you only were able to find two-way speakers. It's really fun to mess with and find a sound profile that perfectly fits the game you're playing. I tend to leave mine alone most of the time, but there are certain instances where some games sound a hundred times better with some minor fiddling.

And above all, just have good time. Audiocuck anon has tarnished the concept of good audio by loudly shitposting about it, but it's just as much an important aspect of games as the kind of TV or monitor you play them on, and it can be really fun to mess around with.

[Anonymous No.6047129]

>>6047101
It's usually preferred to match your amp and your speaker brands though.

[Anonymous No.6047175]

>>6047101
>those tourniquet-tight controller wrappings
Stop, stop!

[Anonymous No.6047176]

>>6043418
Wow, just like the devs intended!

[Anonymous No.6047178]

>>6047129
tfw when running a Sony amp, Optimus towers, and an nht center.

[Anonymous No.6047183]

>>6047178
And a Sony sub

[Anonymous No.6047196]

>>6046616
I spent over $1000 last year getting my vintage stereo refurbished. Just something to consider.

[Anonymous No.6047313]

>>6047101
Awesome! Thanks, anon. I'll look into more used stuff. Luckily I live around some good thrift shops. Unfortunately it seems that Goodwill is now selling their good stuff online, so I'll hope to find some good stuff randomly or else wait until garage sale season.

[Anonymous No.6047319]

>>6043405
Unironically my dream setup. Just gimme a 40” CRT and I’m good to go.

[Anonymous No.6047390]

>>6047175
Cry more. I have been wrapping those very same controllers like that for decades and they work fine. You fucks will sperg about anything.

>>6047129
Nah, that's just audiophile armchair science.

[Anonymous No.6047395]

>>6047319
>40" CRT

[Anonymous No.6047423]

>>6044290
>rack mounts
>not on a rack

I'm fucking triggered

[Anonymous No.6047438]

>>6047395
I have a 40" WEGA that facial expression is totally valid

[Anonymous No.6047516]

>>6046796
SNES sounds like muddy poo poocompared to Genesis.I just spent an hour comparing audio between SNES and Genesis on my new speakers. Genesis sound hardware is clearly more crisp and clear, due to having superior sound hardware inside the console. SNES is just gimped.

>the drums in the soundtrack, especially in areas like the veldt, is enough to rattle my windows
I find this doubtful. The SNES literally isn't capable of producing clear sounding bass notes. I put on that particular track on youtube, and have it playing on my seperate, hifi that has 15 inch woofers. As I type thist's not rattling anything. The remastered fan versions sound really good and do rattle my stuff a bit more. Maybe youtube is compressing the bass or something? I dunno.

Like the other anons said before me, SNES is just lacking in the hardware department to produce good music.

[Anonymous No.6047537]

>>6047101
>3 ways are better then 2 ways meme
You don't know a thing about speaker design. Stop misinforming people who at least would like to learn. 3 ways are not necessarily better then 2 way designs. Educate yourself please.

[Anonymous No.6047539]

>>6047537
t. two-way poorfag shitter

[Anonymous No.6047541]

>>6046616
Great time to be a hi-fi nerd. So much great high performing used components out there for cheap. Quick offerup search....

NHT has always been top of the mark when it comes to speaker design and performance. Yamaha, always solid. And that's a good receiver for retro gaming since you get a built in component and composite switch. All of 165.00, and probably cheaper since sellers usually take less.

[Anonymous No.6047546]

>>6047539
I'm just looking at all his shit and i don't think the poorfag insult is gonna do it here

[Anonymous No.6047550]

>>6047546
t. another poorfag

[Anonymous No.6047556]

>>6046616
>wondered what would go best with a retro setup.
The speaker(s) built into your CRT.

[Anonymous No.6047558]

>>6047537
audio ignorant anon trying to learn here. What makes a 2 way better?

[Anonymous No.6047562]

>>6047558
I didn't say 2 ways are better. It all depends on the design of the speaker. To make broad generalization that 3 ways are automatically better is wrong. 3 ways are easier to design a crossover for. But there's a lot of reasons why a 2 way can be better then a 3 way but this thread isnt about speaker design so I'm just going to bow out.

[Anonymous No.6047565]

>>6047537
>3 ways are not necessarily better then 2 way designs.
Not him, but it's a good rule to follow since all things being equal, a 3 way reduces/eliminates the chances of driver breakup (i.e. when the driver is forced to play outside/near its spec'ed frequency range). You are right that a great two way is just as good as a great 3 way (the JBL M2 is a two way and probably the best large monitor in the world), but most speaker manufacturers aren't as competent or possess the resources of a JBL.

[Anonymous No.6047567]

>>6047550
unironically end yourself you waste

[Anonymous No.6047573]

Picked up a pair of new in box of JBL LSR305 for $140. If you're lacking in space, I think pro speakers/monitors are the way to go for pretty much any crt setup. Keep in mind that these things are NOT in fact magnetically shielded despite the literature saying so. Expect to need them to be 1-1.5 feet away from the tubes to ensure safety of the tubes. I used solid RGB and white images to check for purity issues and then added a few extra inches to be on the safe side. Since I don't have the horizontal space, I had to wallmount them above my tubes, but due to the JBL waveguide, the sweet spot is massive and it sounds good from standing or sitting anywhere in the room.

If I had space, sure I'd have loved to just insert my retro stuff inbetween my main stereo rig but my big 15 inch woofers wreck havoc with purity on my tubes if I put them anywhere closer than 3 feet away. Kind of nuts how strong the magnetic field can be on large woofers.

[Anonymous No.6047582]

>>6047565
I would have gotten a pair of M2 if I could have found a pair locally. Closest thing I could find was a decently priced pair from the UK, but after import fees, taxes, and shipping, would have cost me couple grand more then my 4367. Funny thing... my 4367's are essentially domesticated M2's. They use the exact same tweeter and woofer, just with a more sophisticated internal crossover so it can be used with simple stereo amplification.

[Anonymous No.6047589]

>>6047196
Pretty.

[Anonymous No.6047597]

>>6047582
>I would have gotten a pair of M2
That's end game. I don't really see how you can get better than this.

The Harman family of products is always a good bet. Their pro tech trickles down into their hi-fi products (Revel). Guy did a comparison between the M2, 708s, and Revel Performa and reported not much difference other than M2 just being able to play louder distortion free.

[Anonymous No.6047652]

>>6046475
Famicom had stereo. NES has the internals, they just decided not to add a stereo jack for some reason. Stereo mod is one of the easiest mods to do. Anything before 3rd gen is very primitive and most of the games are not worth playing, and are rarely discussed here. The only 2600 game I had fun with was adventure.

[Anonymous No.6047745]

>>6047395
Why do some people like to pretend that large CRTs weren’t a thing in the 90s? I grew up playing NES on a 30 inch, larger sizes certainly existed.

[Anonymous No.6047782]

>>6045961
those look like countertops from the sims 1...

[Anonymous No.6047885]

You fools haven't truly lived unless you listen to Devil May Cry 3 music on a nice pair of Klipsch KG4's

[Anonymous No.6047892]

>>6043405
Once we get our house this year I'll absolutely be making space for a hifi sound setup. I've always been so jealous of my friends who took the time to set one up for themselves.

[Anonymous No.6048927]

>>6047745
Because they're just zoomers who weren't alive in the '90s and only learned what a CRT was through reddit.

[Anonymous No.6048941]

>>6047745
Moving a 27in trinitron is bad enough. But a 30 or larger? Phew

[Anonymous No.6048960]

>>6048941
The idea would be to not move it, once it's in place. Personally, I swore off anything larger than 27 after lugging a couple of 32s up a flight of stairs. The first time I had help, but the second time I did it alone. Doing it alone was honestly easier than trying to get another person to be in the right place. The biggest thing that sucks is that most TVs didn't really have a good place to grab.

I really only miss the 32+ inch sets for 5th gen and later RPGs and stuff. They really benefit from the extra presentation size, and a good sound system as well. I'm glad I played DQVIII back while I still had my big ass JVC.

[Anonymous No.6048964]

>>6048960
I moved my 27 by myself, bought it from a thrift shop and they helped me shove it into the backseat of my car. Once I got it home I had to carry it in by myself. I couldn't get it on the stand though so had to wait for my brother to get home to help me.

[Anonymous No.6048972]

>>6047101
I want to make sweet love to that VCR.

[Anonymous No.6048978]

>>6047537
>3 ways are better then 2 ways meme
Dealing with any random speaker, I'd agree 3-way is a safer bet. I was using two-ways and noticed I was completely missing out hearing certain sound effects, like Hades' laughter during his FFVII summon. They were pretty cheap 2-ways, though. The case of 2-ways being better is usually the exception rather than the rule. Some people just like 2-ways more because they end up with more hi/low punch because of the bigger crossover gap, but that's why I agree with the other anon who recommended an equalizer, so if you like to hear midrange less, it you have that option no matter what speakers you have.

[Anonymous No.6049006]

>>6048964
I hsd a 32" Trinitron. Fuck that thing was a monster. Weighed more than me. Had built-in speakers on the sides. I live on the 3rd floor of a building and my buddy and I could barely get it to the first floor (no elevator). Ended up giving away to another friend.

[Anonymous No.6049015]

>>6049006
>>6048960
I had a 36" Trinitron for a while and I swore that I'd have to pay for it to get moved out of the basement. Moved it in there by hand but there was no way I was taking it out the same way. Ended up selling it later on and the guys who came to pick it up tried moving it with those forearm forklift things, and let me tell you those don't work for a 36" CRT. They eventually gave up and had to come back with a furniture dolly that they rented from u-haul. The dolly worked amazingly, so I would absolute recommend that to anybody who needs to move a 220lb TV.

[Anonymous No.6049016]

>>6048978
>The case of 2-ways being better is usually the exception rather than the rule.
JBL is probably the only company that has done it. Even the big monitor players like Genelec and such still feature 3 way designs as their top of the line (the 83 series with the 3 way coaxial).

[Anonymous No.6049024]

>>6048964
Was it a flat tube? Those are heavy as fuck because of how thick the glass is, and they get exponentially heavier. My friend bought a brand new 36" flat tube JVC way back in 2003. Had it lugged up the stairs to his bedroom in his parents' house. We played so much fucking SNES on that thing, it was gorgeous. He had thousands of dollars of really nice A/V equipment, it's pretty much all he spent his money on. We used to be so loud, I have no idea how his dad never complained.

I actually have a pic of the ol' setup on my drive. This has to be fucking 15 years ago, if it's a day. Excuse the sock holding the microphone to the broken boom. I'm 99% sure all of this stuff is still just sitting in that old room since he moved out.

>>6049016
I believe it. I had some JBL single-cone surround speakers that I used back when I was in middle school because it was all they had, and even just two of those alone were pretty impressive.

[Anonymous No.6049031]

>>6048972
It's the best 10 bucks I ever spent. Gave it a quick clean and it works like a charm. Tapes with hi-fi audio sound fantastic.

[Anonymous No.6049091]

>>6049016
But to clarify, this means all things being equal, like comparing speakers from the same manufacturer or similar class. Some junky department store 3 way won't come close in performance to a well built 2 way.

[Anonymous No.6049117]

>>6049024
It is, still have it, setup was still in progress at time of picture, a little messy.

[Anonymous No.6049528]

>>6049031
Holy shit, I didn't even realize that was a VCR. I've never seen one like that.

Mr. Fucking Fancypants over here.

[Anonymous No.6049529]

>>6049117
>a little messy

Dude, you've gotta dust. Vacuum that room.

[Anonymous No.6049537]

>>6049529
That was in October, it's good now.

[Anonymous No.6049558]

>>6045962
Put your grasses on, nothing wih be wong

[Anonymous No.6049612]

>>6044225
I have a late 90s Yamaha receiver and I can't even turn my volume knob above around 25% before I'm blowing out my eardrums and pissing off the neighbors. What receiver do you have?

[Anonymous No.6049615]

>>6046313
Only a problem before 4th gen in most cases.

[Anonymous No.6049653]

>>6049612
Meant for
>>6043517

[Anonymous No.6049673]

>>6049612
>>6049653
My guess is that anon is lying, ignorant, or both. Or it's just a case of sour grapes.

I'm in the same boat as you. 25% of the volume knob is enough to start rattling the windows with all of my systems. My amp has a 20db muting switch that I usually keep on just so that the volume isn't so touchy, and even then I rarely go beyond halfway.

>>6049615
And even then, just because something doesn't have stereo sound doesn't mean it won't sound good with powerful equipment. The opening to Solstice on the NES is fucking metal and deserves to be cranked as loud as possible.

[Anonymous No.6049935]

>>6043418
That is a great setup.

[Anonymous No.6050181]

>>6043550
https://youtu.be/EUbXEQt8O2o

[Anonymous No.6050715]

>>6046338
LMAO. I love this shit.
"I couldn’t believe it. There was more shimmer on cymbals and slightly better decay. Bass was weightier -- and slightly tauter. I could now hear a little more deeply into the presentation and pick up slightly more detail. There was a bit more substance to instrument locations. The disc seemed just a bit louder."

[Anonymous No.6050723]

>>6049935
Ackshually it looks terrible for anything but listening to stereo music.

[Anonymous No.6050725]

>>6050723
That's probably the primary intent of that system. TV is just to display song and album info.

[Anonymous No.6050727]

Rate my system bros.

[Anonymous No.6052748]

>>6044290
I assume you're exaggerating, as there's no way that those two little nippers were lifting a 600lb object by themselves (as seen near the end).

>>6049015
A very useful improvised way of moving such objects is by creating a sort of 'hammock' with strong blankets/canvas. Allows for much better grip and control.

[Anonymous No.6052783]

>>6049673
>The opening to Solstice on the NES is fucking metal and deserves to be cranked as loud as possible.
I really can't stand isometric grid games, but holy crackers does this game have amazing music.

[Anonymous No.6052913]

>>6050727
Vaporwave but slightly cringe.

[Anonymous No.6052926]

>>6043405
Yup, Nothing better than listening to Thunder Force IV blasting through my Missions. Actually, when I think about it, other than my Mega Drive, I seldom hook anything else up to my sound system. I think it's because it reminds me of all the time I spent in amusement arcades; ya know, because of the similarities between the MD sound chip and a shit load of coin-ops.

[Anonymous No.6052947]

>>6050727
Looks like something a porn movie director would have. So, ludicrously expensive, but kind of tacky looking. That's also a demo room and not your set-up. My old man dragged me to enough of those that I now can spot them when I see them.

[Anonymous No.6052956]

>>6052783
Yeah, I don't really like the game at all, but I remember playing it a ton over my friend's house as a kid and loving the music, so I basically bought a used copy a few years back just for that.

>>6052926
>it reminds me of all the time I spent in amusement arcades
Exarctly. Sega's FM synth sounds great when it's being blasted over powerful speakers because it's essentially the same soundfonts they made to be blasted in arcades back in their heyday. The louder they are, the better they sound. Thunder Force IV is one of those games I always keep at the ready just because of how good it sounds (plus it's just plain great). The rumble from the subwoofer when your own ship gets destroyed is fucking savage.

[Anonymous No.6053020]

>>6052947
>My old man dragged me to enough
What's the best set up you've heard at these shows?

[Anonymous No.6054574]

>>6053020
Musical Fidelity/B&W Nautilus combo. I thought the old man's Cyrus monoblock gear was the shit, but it sounded like something from Woolworths compared to the demo set up I heard.

[Anonymous No.6056196]

>>6052748
300lbs each, so 600lbs total.