/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.6015173]

What is your honest opinion on Secret of Mana?

[Anonymous No.6015179]

The beginning is a little slow, the middle is fucking awesome then at the very end it shits the bed so goddamn hard it makes me hate the rest

[Anonymous No.6015180]

Too many secrets, surprisingly little mana.

[Anonymous No.6015186]

Flawed, but comfy.

[Anonymous No.6015187]

>>6015173
I honestly can't get into it. I like SD1 much more. I don't want to skip to trials though so I'll keep going.

[Anonymous No.6015189]

>>6015186
This pretty much. It's janky and glitchy but still pretty fun and a nice adventure.

[Anonymous No.6015190]

> As a child
Favourite game

> As an adult
Unfinished garbage

[Anonymous No.6015194]

>>6015187
I would skip ahead. They don't connect enough to matter and you'll be sick of it by the time you get to trials. You can always go back and finish another time if you really want to or after you also get bored with SD3 mid way through.

[Anonymous No.6015198]

>>6015194
I might, but I'd feel like a chump. We'll see how I feel as I keep pressing on. Thanks for the advice though

[Anonymous No.6015201]

I don't really care for the game, but I adore the boxart.

[Anonymous No.6015204]

>>6015198
There's no shame in not wasting your limited life minutes playing a video game you don't enjoy.

>>6015201
That's because it was an unrelated piece of art they licenced and then slapped the game characters on top of it.

[Anonymous No.6015226]

Tried it for a couple hours when I rented Collection of Mana; thought it was pretty bad. Which was weird because I thought Final Fantasy Adventure would be the garbage one but I wound up really loving it. Really wanted to play it before playing Trials but just couldn't bring myself to get very far.

[Anonymous No.6015245]

I dropped it immediately as soon as I realized I had to bullshit my way through it's combat with it's accuracy system. Defeats the purpose of being an action RPG. Cool music though.

[Anonymous No.6015251]

>>6015173
Liked it as a kid, but today I struggle to find anything praiseworthy about it.

[Anonymous No.6015269]

>>6015173
I absolutely loved it. The characters, the system, the gameplay and the story, buuuut I also absolutely admit this is a clearly unpolished game with several flaws, especially the leveling system for spells.

I still loved it, but I will never deny it's flaws.

[Anonymous No.6015345]

I know this will make some folks here flip their lids but I unironically think the remake is better. I think a hint of cel shading would have made it shine but it looks nice and the gameplay is cleaned up. I really like how closely they stuck to the original look, down to the way all the rocks are formed. I certainly thought it was a better remake than Sword of Mana on GBA that's for sure. Also that said I always wanted to like Secret of Mana more than I did and I still don't love the new one, but it's a step up.

[Anonymous No.6015396]

>>6015173
great game when using the Turbo fan patch
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=27890.0

get 2 other people to play with, have a few beers, and just have a fucking blast.

[Anonymous No.6015406]

>>6015204
>There's no shame in not wasting your limited life minutes playing a video game you don't enjoy.
But I really enjoy watching how series evolve. Just going from FFA to SoM gave me a kick because I got to see what the heck the shopkeeper was supposed to be. I'll keep going unless if the game is actually really really long.

[Anonymous No.6015408]

>>6015179
The game is absolutely magical up to Pandoras ruins, then it stays good and magical again until you beat the Mushroom area (Topango?) and then it stays relatively good but not great and the last three dungeons or main areas and bosses are kind of blended together and it crashes hard. I didnt realize the game was actually gutted to fit on the SNES cartridges and it explains a lot of how the story seems to fall apart like it was left out.

[Anonymous No.6015412]

>>6015173
It's best enjoyed as coop'ing with your bro over an extended period of time. I feel the game is best in the beginning before magic, and feels more like an action game then. Once you get magic, you're just scanning the boss, seeing what he is weak against, and spamming that while physical attacking the boss becomes less useful. Plus there is a lot of grinding.

[Anonymous No.6015421]

>>6015406
Oooff you have picked a tough row to hoe if you plan to stick with it. If you don't love SoM, SD3 probably won't blow your socks off. Legend of Mana has some neat stuff in it but the combat is much worse than the other games and then after that the whole series takes a terrible nose dive. Children of Mana is unironically one of the worst games I've ever played.

[Anonymous No.6015450]

>>6015406
>Just going from FFA to SoM gave me a kick
Wait, so you're playing each original game AND ITS REMAKE all in series order?

[Anonymous No.6015451]

>>6015421
That's discouraging. Well, I'll at least attempt to finish off Secret, which I don't hate, I just can't seem to get into

[Anonymous No.6015464]

>>6015173
Overall a great experience despite some flaws. Still one of my favorite games.

[Anonymous No.6015471]

>>6015451
>I don't hate, I just can't seem to get into
This has been my experience with every Mana game.

[Anonymous No.6015479]

>>6015421
Children of Mana is the most overblown worst game ever. It might not hold up and it didn’t take the series anywhere, but you must not have played many games if that is unironically the worst game you’ve played.

[Anonymous No.6015480]

>>6015451
>>6015471
The whole series makes me sad. Every one feels like it has potential, but none of them come close to living up to it and they're all flawed in some deep way. If you do keep going stop at Legend. It's still well worth it despite the problems but I can't say that for any after it. Though I like the remake >>6015345

[Anonymous No.6015485]

One of my favorite Super Nintendo games.

[Anonymous No.6015486]

>>6015479
It's not quite the worst and certainly more than freeware crap or the old dos shit you'd get on random floppies. But in terms of released games that you can buy at store I think it was pretty high up there. No Castlevania Mirror of Fate, nut still pretty darn shitty.

[Anonymous No.6015763]

>>6015173
Seiken 3 is better

[Anonymous No.6015776]

>>6015204
>That's because it was an unrelated piece of art they licenced and then slapped the game characters on top of it.

That explains why they look so out of place. Thanks Anon, I never knew that.

[Anonymous No.6016187]

>>6015173
That game was so cool for it's time but have many down sides for nowadays standard, the worst part is the magic's system that completly ruins the multiplayer fun and make the game too easy.

Secret of Mana still remains a game with magical OST and a great feeling of adventure.

[Anonymous No.6016221]

>>6015345
I don't think there's anything wrong with the art style for the fidelity it's at, but some areas are very poorly done and the animation is terrible which causes it to radiate an aura of cheap. Decent animations seem to always be the first thing to get shafted.

[Anonymous No.6016232]

>>6015776
>>6015204
That's incorrect, Hiro Isono was directly commissioned by Square to draw art for Secret of Mana and Heroes of Mana.

[Anonymous No.6016345]

>>6016232
He was hired to do other art for the series but that painting wasn't originally.

[Anonymous No.6016348]

>>6016345
This one was

[Anonymous No.6016351]

>>6016348
Yes it was and it's lovely. His art is awesome.

[Anonymous No.6016361]

>>6015173

The music seemed repetitive and the first boss was insanely hard for no apparent reason, even with two people. Guess I had to grind. Shitty menu/item system

[Anonymous No.6016375]

>>6015173
broken piece of dogshit

[Anonymous No.6016571]

I enjoyed it a lot. Definitely a lot of jank but still overall a good game, even for someone like me who played SD3 first. My biggest complain was how really limited inventory was (why 5 items?) and the dumb gimmicky way you had to fight the final boss.

There's probably some things I've forgotten about but the last time I played it was in high school. Shame about that remake though.

[Anonymous No.6016609]

>>6016348
>Two Mana Trees

...wut?

[Anonymous No.6016660]

I love Secret of Mana. I've been doing a playthrough about every two years since the turn of the century.
I find it's quite easy to grind your magic so that all elementals are at all times levelled up to your mana seed count.
then around level 5-6 (shade & lumina) you can simply stop grinding magic since you're at the point of diminishing returns. of course I usually prefer Luna to be level 8 for both the sprite and girl, for drain magic and the crit%+ magic respectively.
i always forget which is which, but either Lunar Boost or Moon Energy will allow you to make casual critical hits on the Mana Beast without charging up.

[Anonymous No.6016787]

>>6016232
uh huh

[Anonymous No.6016791]

>>6015173
one of the greatest games for SNES

[Anonymous No.6016795]

>>6016787
that's a shop

[Anonymous No.6016901]

>>6016795
no it's a tree

[Anonymous No.6017080]

>>6016348
What did he mean by this? Hawkeye's canon gf is Jessica.

[Anonymous No.6017116]

>>6015173
My favorite NES game growing up. Just wish I had someone to play co op with at the time.

[Anonymous No.6017125]

>>6017116
How was the NES version?

[Anonymous No.6017183]

>>6015173
Probably the most overrated game on the system.

[Anonymous No.6017634]

>>6017183
no, that's chrono trigger.

[Anonymous No.6017927]

>>6016787
Nice edit, faggot.

[Anonymous No.6017973]

>>6016787
> unrelated piece of art they licenced and then slapped the game characters on top of it.
Isono collaborated with Square, so it's not unrelated, and he drew the characters himself.

[Anonymous No.6018006]

>>6017973
That painting >>6016787 was done beforehand and part of why he was hired, that's all.

[Anonymous No.6018484]

Couldn't get into it because the screen doesn't scroll until you get to the very edge.

[Anonymous No.6018517]

>>6015173
It's fun and comfy until the mana forest part where you have to face every boss again for the 4th time.

[Anonymous No.6018551]

>>6015190

Same here, except I wouldn't call it garbage. It's just... severely flawed in multiple ways. And the music is untarnished by my aging.

[Anonymous No.6018582]

>>6016787
except this actual painting exists and was hanging in square's lobby for a pretty long time

[Anonymous No.6018907]

>>6018517
isn't that the same part that has those enemies that take off half your health at that point? fuck those guys

[Anonymous No.6018937]

>>6015173
Audiovisual masterpiece, trash gameplay. It's a glorified beat em up with awkward rpg elements.

[Anonymous No.6018947]

>>6018937
>trash gameplay. It's a glorified beat em up with awkward rpg elements
100% this. looks nice, but i can't stand playing it.

[Anonymous No.6019187]

>>6018582
Well obviously, they bought it.

[Anonymous No.6019196]

I can't play it. I don't enjoy it after having played Seiken Densetsu 3 so much. Its just superior in all ways

[Anonymous No.6019208]

WHATEVER

[Anonymous No.6019209]

It's okay but the combat feels kinda slow and simplistic.

[Anonymous No.6019226]

>>6019209
For a game that's similar but with more of a focus on combat, Beyond Oasis is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.6019246]

>>6019226
> The Story of Thor: A Successor of the Light

[Anonymous No.6019297]

>>6019246
Careful though, I think the Japanese version is called Story of Thor as well, but it's also the name of the PAL version which runs at a different frame rate or something and makes the whole game janky. There used to be a guy here who would rag on it really hard saying it played like shit and I never knew what he was talking about till I decided to try the Euro release on a whim to see if anything was different other than the name and it was nigh unplayable by comparison.

[tcaud No.6019631]

The game is overrated. It defintely captures that late 80s charm better than some other games, but it's just too light hearted for its very serious plot. The gameplay when it comes to bosses is crap... bosses are a contest of who gets the spell timing first. Otherwise it's Zelda with levels. I think the art and music are the only aspects really worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.6019857]

Couldn't get into it at all, but that was to be expected cause I don't have the patience for JRPGs. I'd need to be doped out of my mind to enjoy one I think.

[Anonymous No.6019869]

rpgs suck jrpg is god awful shit
yet, secret of mana is kino

[Anonymous No.6019880]

this was way to late in the game to be just a cheap feature. the storyline and play limitation was masterful kind of like MGS2. something peculiar to jap art and expression that a weeb wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.6019918]

>>6015173
I actually liked Secret of Evermore more. Was never really into Secret of Mana.

Except for the final battle against the Mana Beast, that is. That fight FUCKING RULED.
Best final boss on the SNES.

In complete contrast, Evermore's finale against Carltron was total garbage and I don't even consider it a real boss fight.

[Anonymous No.6020037]

What did he mean by this? There is absolutely no way to dodge any of Mantis Ant's attacks.

[Anonymous No.6020039]

Was flamie the mana beast?

[Anonymous No.6020075]

>>6019918
Always was a downer knowing your ride and animal friend becomes the harbinger of the end.

[Anonymous No.6020087]

>>6015179
>>6015408
>totally shitty at the end
Can you elaborate? I remember the battle with Thanatos being amazing in every way, and having to put down Flammie was a beautifully heart-wrenching twist.

[Anonymous No.6020106]

I liked it. I played through it completely as an adult and only got to try it out as a kid.

[Anonymous No.6020169]

>>6019918
>Best final boss on the SNES.
say what nigga?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLvC6ezjwU

[Anonymous No.6020195]

>>6020169
Daos was actually super anticlimactic, I don't know what you're on about.
The ending sequence with the stones was fantastic, though.

[Anonymous No.6020240]

>>6015173
It isn't a very good game with busted combat that isn't fun. I still love it but mostly out of nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.6020249]

seiken densetsu 3 was better

[Anonymous No.6020289]

I love it but so many aspects of it are fucking jank. The story is barebones, in the early game some enemies can stunlock you to death, magic is stupid OP, your party members get caught on terrain all the time, the treasure opening animation is fucked beyond belief, etc. But damn is it charming and the music and graphics are great.

[Anonymous No.6020302]

This is my first time on 4chan and I know absolutely nothing about it. This is so fucking foreign to me and like 90% of what ive seen is just porn. Can someone please explain to me what 4chan is and/or how it works?

[Anonymous No.6020304]

same anon ^
also, I'm sorry if this is not the place to post something like this. I'm just kinda lost.

[Anonymous No.6020323]

>>6020302
>>6020304

[Anonymous No.6020349]

>>6020323
Damn, I haven't seen the homepage in years. Forgot how it even looked.

[Anonymous No.6020351]

>>6020302
>>6020304

[Anonymous No.6020376]

>>6015173
it's the nuts and everybody knows it

[Anonymous No.6020383]

>>6020302
>>6020304

[Anonymous No.6020698]

>>6020075

I thought it was some other beast?

Oh well it doesn't matter all that much either way I guess.

[Anonymous No.6020716]

>>6020304

4chan is a nihilistic hellhole. People talk to each other and/or post images. That's about it. It differs from other forums in that it strongly promotes (though sadly does not require) anonymity and tends to discard content after a while by default rather than making it permanent. Also, it differs in that it is relatively explicitly nihilistic, whereas someplace like say Reddit will at least pretend to be upright and civilized (while ultimately being arguably centered around an aimless worship of oblivion all the same). It is famous for being crazy and evil and super creative but it's mostly just another forum. Some boards, such as /tg/, /d/ (believe it or not), and I dunno maybe /an/ or something, are kind of nice and partly free of nihilism. Some, like /lit/ or /pol/, wholeheartedly embrace the pointless pursuit of petty evils. Most, including /vr/ here, are somewhere in between. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.6020817]

>>6015396
Man thanks anon this hack is great. Makes the combat way better.

[Anonymous No.6021216]

>>6016348
To this day I could stare at this piece of art for hours in wonder. A true masterpiece imo

[Anonymous No.6021317]

>>6015173
>What is your honest opinion on Secret of Mana?
Although it has some severe bugs where most of them aren't game breaking but very annoying, it's still a good game if played alone and becomes even better when playing with one or two bros.
Music's gets repetitive after ~20s but still, there's hardly a track that just sounds bad.
It is far from perfect but still deserves a lot of the praise it gets.

[Anonymous No.6021718]

Beautiful and great game even if fighting is slightly janky and magic is OP

[Anonymous No.6021794]

>>6020304
>>6020302
lurk more you colossal faggot

[Anonymous No.6021887]

>>6018907
that's because you probably missed the last tier of armor you can buy, which is on the sunken continent. iirc, once you come up from the dungeon with the subway Neko should be on the other side of the temple (you'll have to walk up the left side, over the top, and back down the right)
if you go into Pureland with just the armor from Gold Isle then yeah you'll get your shit fucked up.

[Anonymous No.6021895]

Great sprites & music, but the combat is meh and the AI is a bit annoying when playing solo (getting stuck behind rocks and shit).

[Anonymous No.6022008]

>>6020037
>intro boss can just combo you to death forever and there's no way to win besides being revived as many times as it takes
Good establishing moment for how generally poorly thought out the combat system is.

[Anonymous No.6022162]

What are the most OP builds(?) or skills? I know that magic is completely OP and lets you just chain them continuously until a boss is dead, but what about non-magic stuff? Like what weapon is the best for the boy?

[Anonymous No.6022182]

>>6022162
Considering you don't have a skill tree, you can't really make an OP build. Or a build at all.
But I've always used the lance with Randi if I didn't have any weapon to level.
It's one of the stronger weapons and has great combos, with some extra range.

[Anonymous No.6022194]

I am angry about elves.

[Anonymous No.6022216]

good music

[Anonymous No.6022269]

>>6015201
Fuck, that's beautiful (in my opinion at least).

[Anonymous No.6022627]

>>6020698
Nope, when you beat Thanos and the Fortress goes into fuck everything mode, the essence of Mana makes Flammie woke...woke in the way that basically says well, nature can do one better.

[Anonymous No.6022638]

>>6019918
I remember beating the Mana Beast co-op with my best friend in 5th grade, was awesome.

[Anonymous No.6022708]

>>6022627

If that's true then I guess the game did a terrible job of conveying it. I finished it as a kid and as an adult and I never noticed any evidence that my interpretation (that the final beast was just some new, obviously Flammie-related but different beast awakened by recent events) was wrong.

If it's Flammie then how do you get down from the fortress though??? I really don't remember these things. And I don't care enough to watch it on YouTube.

[Anonymous No.6022714]

>>6022162

Whatever weapon you can get to a high forging level is OP, if you're willing to build up to and actually use the tedious super-strong charging attacks. Whatever damaging or healing spell you practice a lot is OP. You don't really get a lot of significant choices here.

All the weapons can have great stats at the end. The best one is whatever one makes it easiest for you to actually hit enemies without getting hit yourself. For me that's the whip or the javelin. But they're all kinda the same really.

With respect to defense, I think the very best stuff is generally dropped by late-game enemies? But you probably don't need it, and it isn't likely to make a huge difference even if you get it.

[Anonymous No.6023005]

Do you Anons recommend playing Secret and Trials of Mana (SNES version) before their Remakes?
I noticed ToM's remake is still months away, so I've been thinking about playing the SNES Mana games with an emulator in the meanwhile.

[Anonymous No.6023065]

games' awfull, chrono trigger is better

[Anonymous No.6023075]

>Make an Action RPG
>Magic requires constantly pausing the action and then that shit just homes in with zero effort.
but why

[Anonymous No.6023080]

>>6023075

And also you have to stop playing for a bit as preemptive punishment before you use any cool weapon attacks.

The game's engine is like a prototype for some ideas that should have been used to determine that those ideas were bad, prior to being discarded in favor of the next version. But instead they just published it, and used it in Secret of Evermore too. It's pretty weird.

[Anonymous No.6023091]

>>6023005
Yes, but don't bother with the Secret of Mana remake at all.

[Anonymous No.6023118]

>>6023005
I can't possibly recommend playing any Mana games. There are so many better games to play.

[Anonymous No.6023124]

>>6022194
I'm angry that I'm not jamming my dick into that chest

[Anonymous No.6023127]

>>6023005
I honestly recommend the SoM remake over the original. It's basically a 1 to 1 port with updated graphics and polished gameplay. Graphically SoM had some charm but doesn't look amazing and the remake is pretty faithful to it. Gameplay is the main reason though since the original is quite janky. Overall it's a better experience so if you're not playing for the nostalgia of revisiting the game it's what I'd recommend.

[Anonymous No.6023542]

>>6015173
I played this for the first time recently. I think I would've loved it when I was a kid

[Anonymous No.6023559]

>>6020087
it's not Flammie, although due to how poorly the story is conveyed everyone who played it as a kid thinks it is, and narratively that would've been much better.

[Anonymous No.6023564]

>>6020302
>>6020304
kill you'reself you fucking phoneposting newfag cunt. lurk more and gtfo

[Anonymous No.6024248]

>>6020087
>shitty ending
It always felt to me like the final fortress would be this badass place but really the sunken fortress/palace was way better. In the final area you are just dodging those high powered enemies that fuck you up and the final boss battle music is so awful but the fight is OK I guess. Then you get the Flammie fight where you have to wait for him to come to the screen and give him a smack? Nothing too exiting about this fight and it was kind of lame. Would have been better if he flies around the screen then lands and shoots fire at you or something and you have to stab him in the head with the mana sword.

>>6022708
I was pretty sure it was a different monster. Just like how in the Upperland forest you see a bunch of them flying over the trees?

[Anonymous No.6024251]

I never liked or even finished it
unlike sd3 that i replay at least once per year

[Anonymous No.6024491]

>>6024248
>final boss battle music is so awful
holy shit kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6024603]

Glitched but love the atmosphere. Did difficulty peak at spiky tiger?

[Anonymous No.6024604]

>>6015173
worst of the trilogy due to some weird gameplay ideas along with dev hell, while I'm not a big fan of New Testament/Sword of Mana, I kinda wish it had that cancelled remake.

[Anonymous No.6024749]

>>6015173
Never played it, so I don't have any opinion

[Anonymous No.6024891]

>>6024604
I'd agree with that except if the GBA game was a remake of 2 instead of 1 it could have been even worse than SoM is already. At least the remake we did get is pretty faithful.

[Anonymous No.6025224]

>>6015173
It's a pretty average game which promises to be much grander than it really is(I suppose it was planned to at one point).
Gameplay is pretty braindead and leveling is very grindy. Collision detection is bad.
There's tons and tons of slowdown in it. Music is cut out by sound-effects half the time which is really annoying.
Soundtrack is ok but not amazing.

Still better than Seiken Densetsu 3...what a mess that game is.
Secret of Evermore > Mana/SD2 > SD3

Also Soul Blazer and Terranigma are better than all 3.

[Anonymous No.6025226]

>>6015201
Seiken Densetsu 3's is even better...well the reversible cover art that is.
This and this music track below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhW8jNscYqA really makes me think just how potential this franchise had as a concept and how abysmally that concept was executed. It makes me a bit sad about what could have been.

[Anonymous No.6025229]

>>6015345
>I really like how closely they stuck to the original look
It isn't at all. The character designs were completely redesigned from the original.
Now Primm is taller than Randi among other things.

[Anonymous No.6025232]

>>6015396
Speaking of patches...this patch is absolutely essential to play SoM these days
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4324/

I wish somebody would re-translate the game...even if the story felt underwhelming, it felt like there was some context missing.

[Anonymous No.6025237]

>>6016348
Seeing this really makes me sad about what the series could have been. It always feels like the games never did this art justice.

Also, I miss great artwork in video games like this. We don't have this kind of shit anymore in modern video games.

[Anonymous No.6025245]

>>6017634
>no, that's final fantasy 6.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.6025248]

>>6019918
>Except for the final battle against the Mana Beast, that is. That fight FUCKING RULED.
>Best final boss on the SNES.
Are you kidding me?
It was a complete joke of a fight and even visually it looked retarded.

[Anonymous No.6026518]

>>6024491
>actually liking this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCUdhcRQMC4

It just sounds like some guy slamming on a xylaphone and pumping it through an amplifier with a microphone next to the speakers and it's not able to handle it and sounds distorted. How can anybody like this? The rest of the music is godly in this game and then you get this?

>>6025232
>hacks
I can't play the game unless using zHade's improvement patch or playing the randomizer made by Moppleton

[Anonymous No.6026580]

>>6024749
Thank you for your contribution.

[Anonymous No.6026584]

>>6024604
why am i just learning about this now? god it would have been great. had sword of mana been that redhead protag instead of the blonde headed guy.

[Anonymous No.6026587]

anybody getting the artbook and remake in february?

[Anonymous No.6026638]

>>6026587
>remake in april?

[Anonymous No.6026662]

It had great grinding in the middle.

Music is hit or miss. Ice Forest is my favorite.

Great art, cover, title screen is iconic, characters possess a special place in RPGs and feel balanced.

The game is enjoyable in its own right, and simply because of its art direction in a class of its own.

Menu system is neat. Battle system takes some getting used to, feels good once you get the hang of it.

I would agree with other anons, it chokes towards the end. I'm not very fond of the beginning either.

[Anonymous No.6026703]

>>6026518
>How can anybody like this?
Ask the entire country of Indonesia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6EFGuXEowk

[Anonymous No.6026953]

>>6015173
Incredible graphics and music. Mediocre gameplay with several flaws in the combat. Awful writing.

[Anonymous No.6027059]

>>6023005
Secret's remake is basically a worse version of the original. Trials's remake significantly changes its gameplay so playing both is advised, and I think that part of the appeal of Trials's remake for fans who already played it is getting a kick out of seeing the same places realised in 3D.

[Anonymous No.6027069]

>>6015190
every square game DESU

SD3 is infinitely better

and SD3: Sins of Mana Romhack is the finished version

Legend of Mana is my favorite but it ain't done yet

[Anonymous No.6027073]

>>6025245
ff6 is unfinished like this game tho, but actually has a more complete version in BNW

I would have agreed with this opinion before romhacks

the correct answer is ff4 desu

[Anonymous No.6027075]

>>6023005
play sins of mana aka snes dark souls

[Anonymous No.6027783]

Excited to see how everything's going to look in 3D.

[Anonymous No.6027827]

>>6027783
All I want is the Black Rabite fight to be available on all 3 routes

[Anonymous No.6028429]

>>6024603
>Did difficulty peak at spiky tiger?

That's more like a sudden, incredibly sharp spike that is taller than anything else. Sort of like Bloody Mary in Terranigma if you're not overleveled or packing ElecRings.

[Anonymous No.6028441]

I don't like JRPGs, or RPGs in general

[Anonymous No.6028445]

i got annoyed that the mobs art was reused often
mostly only color changes

[Anonymous No.6028545]

>>6020302
>>6020304

[Anonymous No.6028684]

>>6025232
As nice at that one is, https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2913/ is more essential.

[Anonymous No.6029224]

Why is this getting so many romhacks, in the last few years?

[Anonymous No.6029319]

>>6027827
iirc, that was only available on Duran and Angela's route.
Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't played this in quite a while

[Anonymous No.6029447]

>>6029224
There is a pretty active hacking community and a couple of the big hacks are always being improved on and people within those groups like to make their own add-ons and borrow things from the other hacks and then release their own hacks using certain features. It's a pretty fun community and interesting to hear peoples ideas.

If you google Secret of Mana Ancient Cave you can play the randomizer that Moppu made and a lot of the people in the Discord channel make their own hacks and share features with each other.

[Anonymous No.6029456]

It's okay. 2bh, I loved it as a kid, but as I grew more experienced in playing games, I realised that the story is a bit slapdash, the gameplay mechanics are poorly implemented, the magic system is broken and locations are just 'meh.' Despite all its flaws, I still like it, prolly cuz of nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.6029626]

>>6025232
>>6028684
SoM Turbo includes both of those.

[Anonymous No.6031071]

>>6028684
Does this work with relocalized?
Seriously after relocalized I don't see how you can go back to the original US version with that awful compressed title screen.

[Anonymous No.6031074]

>>6026518
Nah I don't even think SoM's soundtrack is that amazing but that theme is based. It's definitely limited by the soundchip though.

[Anonymous No.6031087]

>>6027069
>SD3 is infinitely better
It really isn't.
The gameplay is obnoxious in SD3, they might have as well made it into a turn-based game with how you're not allowed to run during battle and it basically makes the combat into a complete die roll.

SD3 was somehow even more rushed than SD2/SoM was.
Duran's shields don't even work, how can people even defend that?

Secret of Evermore was the best one and it wasn't even an SD game. And even that game had problems but not as much as SoM or SD3.

[Anonymous No.6031089]

>>6027783
I hate that generic HUD so much.

[Anonymous No.6031121]

>>6015173
freaking great, a monument

[Anonymous No.6031203]

>>6026518
>talks shit about one of the best track in gaming history

oof

[Anonymous No.6031219]

Seinen Densetsu 3 spits on its grave

[Anonymous No.6031248]

>>6022194
Man, I want to fuck Primm so hard

[Anonymous No.6031271]

>>6031219
SD3 is a clunky meme and easily the worst retro Mana game.

[Anonymous No.6031297]

>>6031248
Get in line.

[Anonymous No.6031506]

>>6026703
>>6031074
>>6031203
Dang I guess I'm in the minority here. I practically burst out laughing when this song started playing because of how bad it was. I would leave the opening credit scroll on for a while so I could listen to that music and then every other song in the game except for the Pandora ruins music was pretty awesome.

[Anonymous No.6031558]

Its a real good game.
A blocking mechanic would have made it better by rewarding you getting better, as opposed to just having evade being a stat. (there is a rom hack that sort of has this, its wonky though.)

[Anonymous No.6031582]

I got the Mana Collection for the Switch, and so far I like Final Fantasy Adventures better aside from graphics. Both combat and story is stronger in the GB game.
The combat in SoM feels weird and kinda bad. I'm definitely not a fan of normal attacks being completely useless in an action RPG. I like that they tried to do something about charge attacks being more useful than it was in FFA, but they definitely went overboard. Also hate the knockdown system. It feels like I miss 80% of my attacks because one of my teammates always knocks the enemies down miliseconds before, and then I have to spend seconds camping them and hoping I can hit them first. If I set the teammates passive, then I get fucked quickly when there are multiple enemies so I found no good solution. In any case, combat is bad.

[Anonymous No.6031615]

>>6031582
You just hit them then run back and then when it's 100% again you hit them again.
Let it cool down for 1-2 seconds before hitting the enemy after the 100% though because sometimes if you hurry it it will registers it as 99% and will do shit damage.

Make sure to level your weapons too.
Gaia's Navel is a good place to level your weapons by grinding off of Greendrops which multiply and are easy to kill.

[Anonymous No.6031627]

>>6031615
Yeah I know that, I figured this out myself too. But this doesn't really dismiss my complaint, I still think the combat system is flawed and not fun. At least not as fun as it could be.

[Anonymous No.6031638]

>>6031506

Yeah you've got a dead spot in your brain that blocks out some kinds of good music. That ruins music is great too.

[Anonymous No.6031665]

>>6031627

Yeah I agree with all your criticism. The combat works well enough to be fun in a basic way, but the percentage system is badly tuned, the system of buffering/absorbing/ignoring incoming damage when it comes from multiple sources is confusing and probably broken, and the charge attacks are way too slow to prepare and too samey and hard to control. Like they're all just different ways to hit X times as hard or whatever, instead of say one having the ability to disable an enemy's magic while another is strong against bugs while another is super fast while another is hard to aim but super strong.

[Anonymous No.6031769]

>>6031297
To think that this cutie made me fall for another gachashit

[Anonymous No.6031785]

>>6031769
Too bad she doesn't get that much artwork(especially compared to the Riesz).
Ever since I saw that huge titted/thick thighs fanart of hers by raouchuu in gelbooru she's been driving me insane.

I like strong/dominant looking girls with a strong kinda smug personality like Primm and when I saw that art with the huge tits and thighs and just in general how huge and strong she looked physically it was a match made in heaven. I absolutely lost it. That was to me peak female performance.

Too bad that was the only artwork of hers that is like that.

[Anonymous No.6032075]

Glove is the best weapon, a shame that they didn't give it a special move subsystem.

[Anonymous No.6032367]

>>6025248
I'm sorry you didn't like fighting a bigass dragon with a magic sword empowered by your friends. Maybe you should go kill yourself, since you're obviously dead inside.

[Anonymous No.6032386]

>Wasted Blockbuster Rental: the Game
Too much bad RNG for me. I recently picked it back up again and its just as awful as I remember. Overly aggressive boss AI makes combat frustrating and the grind to get there is tedious.
>Wail on an enemy in real time
>Doesn't matter how you play stats still determine the outcome.
>miss
>miss
>miss

No thanks.

[Anonymous No.6032434]

>>6031638
this. I always liked how the dark lich theme took the ruins music and cranked it up to 11. it is limited by the soundchip for sure, but there's enough there to be awesome.

[Anonymous No.6032539]

secret of mana is great, it's the kind of weeb shit a westerner can relate to without full cringe

[Anonymous No.6032580]

>>6026703
Thats excellent. You are bang on about the indo sound, dark lich and pandora ruins heavily use the pelog scale
>>6032367
Word. Not to mention doing that while Meridian Dance pumps in the background. Its easily one of my all time favourite pieces of music, video game or otherwise.
https://youtu.be/gqEmRjtTVzQ

[Anonymous No.6032642]

>>6032386
>Renting RPG's
Are you retarded?
Also the bosses are piss easy, you just magic spam them to death.

[Anonymous No.6032857]

I love Secret of Mana, it's special to me.

[Anonymous No.6032901]

>>6032642
Not him but I would almost always rent a game before buying it. It saved me a few

[Anonymous No.6033495]

>>6031087
>best class system in any square game
>actual world building and plot
>better aesthetics

play the romhack if u want working shit, every SNES square game has errors like this so its hard for me to hold them against SD3

[Anonymous No.6033512]

>>6031087
Because outside no crits, the bugs didn't really do anything notable or problematic. Shit some helped.
The game is still playable and entertaining.

[Anonymous No.6033662]

>>6033512
FF6 had this bug too

hell, ff6 invented limit breaks but no one ever saw them

[Anonymous No.6033683]

>>6033662
Yeah it was years before I realized this. Was fighting a super boss on a replay who actually got Sabin to critical HP and all of a sudden he did a limit break. Blew my gotdamn mind.

[Anonymous No.6033776]

>>6033683
thanks for admitting this anon. Most people front like they figured it out day one. Drives me nuts.

[Anonymous No.6033823]

>>6033662
>ff6 invented limit breaks but no one ever saw them
Explain.

[Anonymous No.6033826]

>>6033823
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Desperation_Attack

[Anonymous No.6033870]

>>6033662
>hell, ff6 invented limit breaks but no one ever saw them
I saw Locke's desperation attack one time. The strategy guide I had back in the 90s for FFVI had a single page mentioned them.

[Anonymous No.6033992]

>>6033826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYdopVjOj8

[Anonymous No.6034005]

I beat FFVI 3 times and I have never once seen a desperation attack.
If I'm low on HP, I'm healing not attacking.

[Anonymous No.6034016]

>>6034005
Me too, outside of Youtube. It's possible that I've gotten them but missed their significance.

[Anonymous No.6034027]

>>6033826
>>6033992
Holy shit, I've beaten this game so many times and never once seen or heard about this. That's really cool.

[Anonymous No.6034052]

>>6034027
And very rare. Sabins ONLY kick move.

[Anonymous No.6036093]

>>6031582
Trials of Mana is even worse, you still have to spam magic spells to beat the bosses but the ring menu doesn't show up most of the time.

[Anonymous No.6036119]

>>6032642

I played all the way through this game on a rental. It's not like it's super long.

My sister and I did that with Final Fantasy too... it worked fine as long as you were VERY much into the game and you didn't have school going at the time. And also you would sometimes need a permissive parent to renew a rental.

[Anonymous No.6037123]

>>6036093
>actually calling it trials of mana
die

[Anonymous No.6037449]

>>6022194
What the fuck are those pants?

[Anonymous No.6038291]

Cool game with a pretty bad combat system.

But three player couch coop was great. Back then you only had Gauntlet for that and this was a whole different level.

But then I got PlayStation Diablo for couch coop and forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.6038310]

>>6015173
Highly enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.6038317]

>>6015173
Bad game with an awful combat system, bad UI, lots of jank and glitches that hinder the overall experience.

[Anonymous No.6038694]

>>6037449
They need to be airy as elves women never douche. The stank is...inhuman.

[Anonymous No.6038704]

>>6022194
>>6037449
>>6038694
they're airtight and contain transpiration and flatulence

[Anonymous No.6038829]

>>6022194
>I am angry about elves.
Me, too. If by angry you mean erect.

[Anonymous No.6039863]

>>6038310
Do you recommend getting Collection of Mana or just play them with an emulator?

[Anonymous No.6039942]

>>6039863
Emulator, because you can patch the roms to be better.
Collection is just the three roms dumped onto the cart.

[Anonymous No.6040118]

>>6039942
Cool, thanks for the info.
I thought this collection possibly had improvements.

[Anonymous No.6040123]

Hot garbage, FFA is better.

[Anonymous No.6040297]

>>6015173
Played it as a kid, love the atmosphere, graphics and music. Really good for the first half, but gets repetitive.

[Anonymous No.6040361]

It's ok. I've recently beated it with a friend and it was fun overall. It kinda drags in the second half.

I don't know if I would've enjoyed it playing alone though.

The music is awesome at least.

[Anonymous No.6040389]

>>6039863
>>6039942
Just jumping into the thread, but going to be playing through the games with a friend so I was trying to decide between Collection of Mana for all three games, or just get the Secret of Mana remake and wait to see how the SD3 remake turns out. Never beaten any of these games, and mostly interested in the SoM remake because I heard it has a bunch of extra dialogue and stuff added.

[Anonymous No.6041035]

>>6015173
SD3 is better