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Worth it?

>> No.6006662

>>6006660
no.

>> No.6006667

>>6006660
no.

>> No.6006669

>>6006660
No, get a CRT from a thrift store and have fun

>> No.6006679

There's a lot of 666s in this thread....

>> No.6006684

>>6006660
Imo just save up and get a 20L5 if you want to go down the PVM rabbit hole, but don't want to buy a BVM. Don't look on ebay unless you want to pay a 200% mark up.

>> No.6006687

For 240p content? Depends. Unless you really like scanlines, a lower tvl consumer CRT or a PVM in the 500-600 tvl range will look more natural through RGB. For 480p 6th gen content, I imagine a BVM would be the sweetspot for 4:3 480p, but how much 4:3 480p games are there?

>> No.6006689

>>6006687
>but how much
*but how many

>> No.6006705

>>6006687
>How much 4:3 480p games are there?
It's definitely more of a 6th gen thing. I've found a majority of Gamecube games support 480p 4:3, Ps2 was majority 480i with a few that support 480p, and basically all Xbox games support 480p 4:3 with a few that even go up to 1080i.
>inb4 not retro

The 4:3 PVM/BVM that support 480p-1080i will also display in 16:9 although you'll get black bars on top and bottom and lose ~200 TVL.

>> No.6006712 [DELETED] 

>>6006705
Oh my god, please shove that GameCube right up your fuckin' ass.

>> No.6006737 [DELETED] 

>>6006684
Where else can I go if not eBay?
>>6006669
The chances of finding one at a thrift store are slimmer than winning the lottery. I really want one though.

>> No.6006739

>>6006684
Where else can I go if not eBay?
>>6006669
The chances of finding one at a thrift store are slimmer than winning the lottery. I really want one though.

Also sorry /vr/. I didn't see that there was already a CRT General Thread.

>> No.6006749

>>6006684
Are you in the US? Consider Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Offerup, and LetGo. It might be that I'm ignorant and live in Southern California where PVM/BVM are everywhere. Paying expensive ass shipping might be your best bet.

>> No.6006750

>>6006749
>>6006739

>> No.6006783

>>6006660
Nah. Get a VGA CRT for free and buy an adapter.

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>>6006749
Sony PVMs being common in California makes sense, I mean with the 90's Hollywood broadcasting scene. Anyways, my chances on Marketplace is slightly better than thrift stores but it's still, affordable prices are rare. OfferUp & LetGo are dead ends. Craigslist, eh. I forgot that even existed, I'll check it out. I live in Orlando, FL by the way.

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>>6006749
Sony PVMs being common in California makes sense, I mean with the 90's Hollywood broadcasting scene. Anyways, my chances on Marketplace is slightly better than thrift stores but it's still rare to see affordable prices. OfferUp & LetGo are dead ends. Craigslist, eh, I forgot that even existed, I'll check it out. I live in Orlando, FL by the way.

>> No.6006882

>>6006660
Ship sailed years ago anon.

If you want n64 to look decent you need something with less lines anyways. 700 is the sweet spot.

>> No.6006892

>>6006882
Are you implying I should upscale?

>> No.6006898

>>6006892
No I was just disappointed when I finally got a bvm the n64 looked like total shit when it's one of the only platforms I don't care to emulate. Got some cheap panasonic that has like 750 lines and it's absolutely perfect.

>> No.6006907

>>6006882
>>6006898
N64 has always looked like poop on PVM/BVM imo. It wasn't until I did the deblur mod that the games started to look decent. I wouldn't base a purchase just off the N64, 3rd gen through even 6th gen look nice on a high TVL monitor.

>> No.6006914

>>6006907
I actually prefer the Vasoline smear layer over how it usually looks emulated but it's such an odd duck console anyways. I mean, I'm glad I got it but I could've done without and would've just gotten one specifically for it over all the hunting I had to do.

Space Station Silicon Valley and Blastcorps looks tits now though. Love those fucking games.

>> No.6007043

I feel bad for retards getting into this hobby so late, I picked up my 20" PVM back when they were worthless for 70 bucks shipped to my door.

If I had more space, I would've bought a crate full of them, and made a killing off youtuber retards these days when they're worth 10-100 times more.

>> No.6007071

>>6007043
I'm OP and also the late retard. On a side note, how to people get good at even picking these trends before they take off?

>> No.6007078

>>6006660
Absolutely! Fall for that meme!

>> No.6007083

>>6007043
Same here, got my 20" PVM shipped for IIRC that same price.
That said, even knowing how things turned out today, I still wouldn't have bought up a bunch with the intention of flipping them. Imagine how pathetic one's life must be to sit around with a house full of dozens of giant-ass monitors to make a couple hundred bucks here and there off an extremely niche community. That just isn't fucking worth it to me. At least with the people who flip vidya games as an "investment" are doing so with tiny little carts/cds that don't take up much space.

>> No.6007153

>>6006826
If you live in Orlando and really are willing to spend that much, you'll be willing to drive, so also look at ads in Tampa and Miami.

>> No.6007157

>>6007071
You get lucky. For every scalper who bought a truck full of Wiis, there's another 10 who bought a truck full of Wii Us. For every first issue of an old comic, there are millions of "limited edition" first print exclusives of all the trash released in the 90s that will never be worth anything.

>> No.6007252

>>6007071
All you have to do is know about something before youtube makes it a meme

>> No.6007303

I did pick up a couple, three PVMs cheap in the early days of /vr/ when I saw the trend but their value has climbed so much I don't even feel like leaving them on 24/7 anymore like I always did with at least three of the dozen Commodore composite monitors I bought in '99.

Let me tell you what you want to do if you live in the US and want to use RGB (hint: not >>6006783). Go out into the real world and find yourself a quality name brand consumer CRT of your personal preference with regard to size and screen technology that has COMPONENT inputs. They're still all over the place or there although they are slowly drying up. Then buy yourself a scart to ypbpr transcoder. Shinybow makes one that's about $100 and Chinese ones are about $50. There are also transcoding cables now for SNES and Genesis but I can't recommend those

You'll still need good scart cables for your consoles too so if that all still sounds too expensive for your budget just embrace that you're an S-Video person and focus on that instead. Y/C is still a very good video standard that 98% of the time will be undistinguishable from RGB in these real video gaming applications.

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6007387

As someone who has spent hundreds on this shit in his life, I can confidentially say it's not worth it. Get yourself a nice big consumer Sony with svideo and component and you'll have 99% the quality of any PVM at a much bigger size.

>> No.6007394

>>6007387
Fell hard for the meme, and still audiocucked! Every time!

>> No.6007396

20" is pretty huge for a PVM to be fair.

>> No.6007412

>>6007303
nigger nothing /vr/ approved puts out component. i hope u mean s video

>> No.6007435

>>6007387
Pretty much this. My sweet spot was my Commodore monitor. S-Video input after modding. Nice clear sharp picture, solid colors and it’s a very nice size where I have it.

>> No.6007446

>>6007412
You should really bother to read more than half of a post

>> No.6007449

>>6007412
reading comprehension

>> No.6007453

>>6007043
Wish I would've gotten several more for posterity. Mine could go at any time.

>> No.6007454

>>6006826
Cali anons also luck out when it comes to candy cabs.

>> No.6007457
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6007457

>>6007435
Used this thing forever but it had very noticeable ghosting for later stuff.

>> No.6007460

>>6007457
It just needs to be recapped anon, it should have no ghosting after that. It’s moderately difficult because of the number of caps and their position however

>> No.6007461

If you want something semi close for much cheaper, just get a VGA monitor and feed it 480p using a scaler box or emulation. Or feed it 240p at 120hz using emulation.

>> No.6007561

>>6007043
>getting into this hobby so late,
when did "getting into this hobby" imply getting a PVM/ BVM? Or are you saying that professional monitors for gaming are a whole separate hobby? In either case, pathetic.

>> No.6007563

>>6007454
candy cabs?

>> No.6007584

>>6007563
Is a smaller, all-plastic kind of sit down arcade cabinet that still holds 20+ inch crt monitors in both horizontal and vertical rotation. They were common in Japanese candy shops. They have to be shipped in cargo containers so they all enter the US through ports in California then sort of trickle Eastward from there. With the exception of Tekken 5 in the vestiges of the "serious" arcade before it completely shut down, I've never seen one in person here in Ohio. Some guy had one listed on Craigslist looking for downsizing trade and I lowballed him with my complete boxed top loading NES but he wasn't interested.

>> No.6007693

No.not at all too expensive for a monitor that small.

>> No.6007736

>>6006882
>700 is the sweet spot.
nah senpai, that's way too many. you want like 500 at most for retro games. scanlines are revisionism by zoomers, they weren't a thing back in the day.

>> No.6008001

>>6007736
This is mostly true, I play on a 800tvl monitor because I like the way it looks, but it definitely isn't what I experienced playing older consoles in their prime. 600ish-1000 tvl monitors look like a different technology compared to the lower tvl count CRT people realistically used back in the day.

>> No.6008662

>>6007394
That WEGA has CHAD-TIER speakers

>> No.6008671

>>6008662
don't mind the audiocuck. He just goes around sperging out over speakers.

>> No.6008679
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where's that one shit-stirring webm that was being posted a lot two months ago? oh here it is

>> No.6008691

>>6007387
Question: another anon told me to NOT get a 32" WEGA that was being given away for free with a stand exactly like your pic related. He said it would be too much of a hassle to move and place. I still want one though and your post makes me want one even more.
Should I just avoid the 32inch ones and look for smaller? Everytime I open Craigslist, there are old people with WEGAs giving them away.

>> No.6008814

>>6008691
I say if you have the space and a means of transporting it, I say go for it, although I'd prefer 27". They're usually free since most people don't have a proper way of disposing them. Garbage men will see it and yolo the fuck out.

>> No.6008821

>>6008691
Look at my pic, look how the image is behind the others? That's because they have input lag. They're also proper HD TVs so they look nothing like regular CRTs, no scanlines, nothing to hide the terribly upscaled picture.

>> No.6008823

>>6006669
Most major thrift stores are not accepting them anymore. Too many idiots leaving completely dead and broken ones at the dropoff.

>> No.6008836
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6008836

To me, a 20" is worth about $300 locally. They're reliable equipment if they're in decent shape. They can also be resold again later.
The good models have two RGB/Component inputs.

>> No.6008846

>>6007157
Wii Us will probably be worth a motza in a few years

>> No.6009730

>>6008823
Yeah, and a smart thrift store owner would keep them for parts...

>> No.6009768

>>6009730
>>6008823
This is a good place to point out just how awful the Goodwill corporation is. They somehow manage to qualify as a non-profit organization and be seen as a charity in the public perception yet they flagrantly use internal slogans like "Goodwill must do well to do good" and their executives make salaries of millions of dollars while they pay their often literally handicapped employees sometimes less than minimum wage under the charade of "job training". We all know about all the retro console items going to their website but did you know that all the donated computers get sold off to Dell by the pound to be "recycled"? Supposedly they can't be resold due to privacy laws but that's bullshit - they just don't want to be responsible for having a reformatting policy or even just for hitting the hard drives with a magnetic eraser.

This brings us back around to the issue of CRTs. People want to get rid of their old CRTs working or otherwise by taking them to Goodwill and if Goodwill really have a damn about recycling they would step up and build mechanisms to do just that but unlike computers, CRTs have real toxic chemicals in their tubes and there's no profit to be made in recycling (selling) them so Goodwill turns them away for the owners who often have no other idea what to do with them to leave them by curbs or tossed into dumpsters to be smashed up inside garbage trucks to contaminate trash men, dumps, landfills, groundwater etc.

>> No.6009775

>>6009768
>This is a good place to point out just how awful the Goodwill corporation is
That's where I stopped reading.

>> No.6009783

>>6009775
Yeah I imagine you do that a lot.

>> No.6009791

>>6009783
Just when I'm not in a mood to read a novel sized post. Especially one that's irrelevant.

>> No.6009790

>>6006660
No go on Craigslist or something similar or a local Facebook group, there are people giving away CRTs for free. An S-video and component set will give you just as good a picture. Don’t fall for the pvmeme unless you can get it cheap.

>> No.6009879

>>6006660
No and I resell pvms for a high price it's about $120 overpriced minimum. At $600 the tube better be pristine, otherwise $500 would be my selling price with no issues.

>> No.6010014

If you want a crt go to large electronic stores and see if they have crt recycling bins out the back and then pretend you are throwing something away but take away any good crt you see. I did this but returned during the night a few years ago. You could also ask but I have a feeling that it would against policy to let people take the old crts because of liability.

>> No.6010131

>>6010014
That's not how electronic stores work and even if they did, that sounds illegal..

>> No.6010310

>>6009768
>toxic chemicals
Don't feel bad about falling for the meme. Countless others who can't into science or critical thinking have done the same.

>> No.6010323

>>6010310
https://www.epa.gov/hw/cathode-ray-tubes-crts-0

>> No.6010496

>>6006679
wow, linearly incrementing numbers are so wacky.

>> No.6010775

>>6010323
>https://www.epa.gov/hw/cathode-ray-tubes-crts-0
>^f toxic
>phrase not found
Another fail from the 40 year old virgin zoomer

>> No.6010793

>>6010775
Okay Sport keep licking them CRTs. The back part of the tube where it's nice and gray is the tastiest.

>> No.6012365

>>6010793
So your strategy is to blame your fail on brain damage caused by licking CRTs? Let's see how that works out for you kiddo.

>> No.6012384

>>6008846
They can’t even display Wii games correctly.

>> No.6012416

>>6009790
Do this. Or just cruise some neighborhoods in a town (doesn't have to be a big city). People are still leaving CRT TVs on the curb.

>> No.6013073

>>6006660
I was lucky to get one for free, and it really is an amazing picture. It looks so different on it compared to hd tv or even cheaper crt's. I dont think its worth the silly asking price however. Its a really niche product.
As other anons have said, grab a cheap\free crt if you are just wanting to casually play. If /vr/ is your life and you only collect physical copies however, then its definitely worth the investment.
"its an end-game upgrade"

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:(

>> No.6016124

How are the JVC DT-V1710CG as a gaming monitor?

I am going to have a look at it monday to see what input card it has. I am hoping it is just RGB and not the SDI card.

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>>6015053
Holy fuck dude

>> No.6016554

>>6010775
>^f lead
>Literally first line of second paragraph
Whats it like being such a zoomer that your A.D.D. makes it so you can't read a paragraph anon.

>> No.6016820

>>6016124
They are excellent. They’re also going for meme prices now. If it doesn’t have the rgb card not all hope is lost, there are people who sell clones on eBay.

>> No.6016825

>>6006826
Craigslist is where I got my 20 inch Sony [with S-Video!] For free

>> No.6016828

>>6006914
>I actually prefer the Vasoline smear layer
Best way I ever heard n64 graphics described, especially through composite cables

>> No.6016834

>>6010014
Colleges have these too

>> No.6016867

>>6006660

A consumer CRT with component. You can:

- Find them for free pretty easily
- With decent speakers
- At sizes you can comfortably sit on the couch or floor in front of, with other people even, and have an immersive experience

Unless you're really strapped for space and need something you can put on a desk I don't really know why people want tiny overpriced monitors apart from the nice looking cases. Only issue with free consumer CRT's is they often are on the big side. I see a lot more 32's and 36's just because people basically are hoping that gamers will take out their 200lb+ trash. I got a 32 for free but I'd rather have a nice 27 that I could move myself.

>> No.6017383

>>6016820
Good to know.

They also have some extron VCS 700 scan converters that downscale higher res images to 480i. Are those useful at all or are they too laggy for gaming?

>> No.6017639

>>6009768
This is so true. Goodwill is really scummy i cant believe they get away with calling themselves a not for profit. I was in their the other day and they had old imac keyboards from like 2002 they were asking $15 each. And anything of any value goes straight to their ebay page to be sold for top dollar online

>> No.6017669

>>6006660
>only 15khz
into the trash bin it goes. a PVM is never worth more than $50 unless it can also do 480p

>> No.6018504

>>6016820
Oh I found the clone PCB and part list, its really simple by the looks of it.

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/AJ7xHRxi

Checking out the monitor tomorrow but hopefully I wont need it if it has the right RGB card already. Looking at all the other SDI broadcast equipment being sold alongside it I suspect it will be SDI sadly.

>> No.6018534

I've never owned a pvm but I have a JVC D series 32" and it looks really good with component and s-video. Got it for free can't imagine a pvm is 400$ better

>> No.6018696

>>6009768
But if they didn't pay criminals and the severely handicapped minimum wage or less in the name of charity who knows what would happen.

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>>6006679
devilish

>> No.6019516

>>6018504
The JVC is SDI. If I can get it for $25 I'll go for it and try a clone RGB board, but if not it doesn't seem worth it.

>> No.6021629

>>6006660
Yes, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>> No.6021675

>>6006660
>Worth it?
If you could pick it up locally and talk the seller down by at least $50, it wouldn’t be bad. But for that price you might as well try to track down a Profeel or a KV-20/25XBR that would do RGB, be the same size or larger, and much cheaper.

>> No.6021708

>>6006684
>Imo just save up and get a 20L5 if you want to go down the PVM rabbit hole, but don't want to buy a BVM. Don't look on ebay unless you want to pay a 200% mark up.
As someone who owns a 20L5, I’d countersuggest getting one of the Profeel cube PVMs and a nice VGA monitor if OP doesn’t live in a closet. Everything that you’re paying a premium on the 20L5 for versus a 20M4U can be handled just as well by a decent VGA monitor and a $30 Component to VGA converter. For SD content, the Profeel cubes look nicer in a room and have a softer look that lends themselves better to effects such as sprite blending than a 20L5’s razor sharpness.