/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5989472]

the adoration this game gets is a prime example of historical revisionism

[Anonymous No.5989475]

Yes. This is correct. But there are more undeserving games.

[Anonymous No.5989503]

>>5989475
sure

[Anonymous No.5989504]

Why do you faggots always claim this? I replayed MM more than any other game in my life back when I had my N64, I can still remember every sidequest in it. Why is it so hard to believe that people liked a good game?

[Anonymous No.5989510]

>>5989504
because you're not everyone you stupid little bitch

[Anonymous No.5989516]

>>5989472
I was 10 years old when I got my hands on majoras mask. at that point i was able to play, beat, read and understand the story, and thus, appreciate the game much more then ocarina of time, which I did play but at younger age. this game is just amazing. the atmosphere is incredible, the mood, atmosphere, the subtle plot. the gameplay, the dungeons and puzzles, the side quests, and the unique time travel mechanic. it was a rushed game and yes it reused almost all the assets from ocarina of time but the game is all the better for that.

[Anonymous No.5989530]

>>5989472
Why does adoration of a game have anything to do with historical revisionism?

[Anonymous No.5989539]

It's the better of the two, but Ocarina gets all the dicks hard because it was the progenitor.

[Anonymous No.5989554]

>>5989530
because back in the day people hated this game for being a lazy rehash of oot assets, for the time system, and for the lack of content (only 4 dungeons)

[Anonymous No.5989573]

>>5989510
Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy

[Anonymous No.5989576]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE IT JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 2000
>YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND ON A GAME OR FIND POSITIVES IN IT YOU HAAVE TO HAATE ITT

[Anonymous No.5989583]

>>5989516
I am skeptical that you were able to understand the subtext behind Cremia giving Romani Chateau Romani on the night of the last day.

[Anonymous No.5989585]

>>5989554
>perspectives can't change over time
Literally kill yourself, you no-brained retard

[Anonymous No.5989586]

It's amazing how the people who complain about reused assets conveniently ignore all the new assets, like textures and models, or the new music or the fact that there's technically five playable characters.

[Anonymous No.5989589]

>>5989585
stupid bitch the topic is about this very thing

[Anonymous No.5989591]

>>5989589
That's not what historical revisionism is, dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.5989593]

>>5989589
You’re a tremendous idiot

[Anonymous No.5989612]

I bought it as a kid and loved it, but I never knew it had a negative reception until I heard people call it the hipster's favorite Zelda years later. Seems like Link's Awakening's taken that title now.

[Anonymous No.5989615]

People always liked it, but there was still this air of those people not being able to see the forest for the trees. They got wrapped up in all the little details, quirks, and side content, not realizing the meat of the game was overall inferior. Majora is just a game of distractions. But then, we can have both games, so it doesn’t really matter.

[Anonymous No.5989653]

>>5989472
It's only "historical revisionism" if you're a zoomer bandwagoner who didn't form your opinion long ago. FWIW It's not on my top anything list.

[Anonymous No.5989702]

>>5989554
That is a complete lie.

[Anonymous No.5989716]

>>5989554
No they didn't
>>5989472
hating majoras mask does not make you a "real gamer"
there are no "hipsters" in video games
you're all equally impotent men with autistic preoccupations
enjoy your own hobby and stop caring about status

[Anonymous No.5989731]

>>5989615
>>5989716
You guys are wrong, Majoras mask had it fair share of people who disliked the game back when it came out. I’m pretty sure Jeff Gertzman doesn’t and didn’t particularly care for MM.

[Anonymous No.5989739]

This is a Deku Baba isn't it? Does anyone have the original art? A local business is using this to advertise.

[Anonymous No.5989746]

>>5989472
>doesn’t fit the definition of historical revisionism in any way, shape, or form
>”prime example”

[Anonymous No.5989751]

>>5989510
>only my opinion reflects the majority

[Anonymous No.5989768]

>>5989583
Not that anon, but that subtext isn't really integral to the story of the game.

[Anonymous No.5989769]

>>5989472
This is a great game. Thats all to it.

[Anonymous No.5989771]

>>5989612
Zelda II is the true hipster's Zelda. It's my favorite....

[Anonymous No.5989773]

>>5989731
>fair share of people
not enough to be upset about its current acclaim

[Anonymous No.5989776]

>>5989739
there have been a million plants with teeth.
the particular artistic style of this one isn't even uniquely zelda.
let them advertise

[Anonymous No.5989783]

>>5989776
I don't care if they are plagiarizing. I've seen the advertisement a million times now and I can't remember where I've seen it before. I thought it may have been from the original strategy guides but found a few PDFs and it's not there. My memories are recalling it as either a Deku Baba or something from Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.5989787]

>>5989771
>Zelda II is the true hipster's Zelda. It's my favorite....
hot damn

[Anonymous No.5989792]

>>5989768
I guess I’m mistaking understanding the story with understanding the subtext then.

[Anonymous No.5989806]

>>5989472
I really liked it. It's no OoT, but it's still an 8/10 game (and not in the "gaming" "journalist" system where that means about average) or a 4/5.

[Anonymous No.5989824]

Majora's Mask is cool

[Anonymous No.5989826]

[Anonymous No.5989868]

>>5989504
This

[Anonymous No.5989914]

>>5989739
Looks more like Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors.

[Anonymous No.5989917]

>>5989554
Is that why Zelda fans literally sent death threats to Nintendo over Wind Waker not being OoT 3?

I don't believe for a fucking minute that the OoT autists didnt slurp Majora's Mask up and tout how edgy and adult it was.

[Anonymous No.5989926]

>>5989586
I'm surprised people don't hate it under the pretense that MM is another one of Nintendo's insidious anti-consumerist products due to all the content in MM originally being cut ideas from OoT.

[Anonymous No.5990631]

>>5989472
fuck you, this is my favourite game of all time

[Anonymous No.5990674]

>>5989554
>lazy rehash of oot assets
You're exposing yourself as a zoomer by your zoomer sensibilities. Who's engaging in revisionism, except people your age?

[Anonymous No.5990682]

it was my favorite zelda game back in the day not because muh edge but I thought all the puzzles were fun and I loved rollin around as a goron so much. I also liked the larger focus on sidequests and the dungeons it did have were solid

[Anonymous No.5990689]

>>5989472

Metacritic 95/100
Edge 9/10
EGM 10/10
Famitsu 37/40
Game Informer 9.75/10
GamesMaster 96%
GameSpot 8.3/10
GameZone 9.9/10
IGN 9.9/10
N64 Magazine 96/100
Nintendo Power 9.4/10
GMR 10/10

Hi zoomers! Let's play a fun game! It's called, "Find the low score!" Can YOU find the low score?

[Anonymous No.5990692]

>>5989472
aww, is the game too hard for witty babby?

[Anonymous No.5990694]

>>5990692
>"N-no! It's not too hard!!! I just don't like the time mechanic!!! I j-just feel rushed because the game only gives me 3 whole hours to complete a dungeon!!! A-and everyone knows that Zelda puzzles are r-really super hard!!!

[Anonymous No.5990704]

>>5989472
lol what? Most people loved this game when it came out, zoomer. You've just seen too many youtube videos where e-celebs call it a "black sheep" just like Zelda 2.

[Anonymous No.5990810]

Anyone else catch this thread on /v/? Mods deleted it because it was trash content but an anon I very much suspect was OP threw an absolute shitfit about people enjoying Majora’s Mask dark themes and spamming wojaks at anyone who argued with him. He posted all the dead people masks except Goron because he realized people were trying to bait him to post the full set. OP, please post the Goron.

[Anonymous No.5990814]

>>5990694
I introduced this game to my friend and she loved it, but she couldn’t get all the fairies in time in the Stone Tower or Great Bay temples so she would basically do the dungeons and have me go back and get the fairies for her. Some of those fairies are legitimately challenging to find if you’re not looking them up and don’t already know where they are.

[Anonymous No.5990817]

>>5990810
Collect them all!

...except goron

[Anonymous No.5990891]

>>5989504
People hated Majora's Mask when it first launched

[Anonymous No.5990894]

I remember buying this game (loose cartridge) for 80 bucks at a game store in my mall. Still pisses me off how badly I got ripped off

[Anonymous No.5990895]

>>5989554
This is only a contradiction if you think the Zelda fanbase is a hivemind that all share the same opinions and never contest among themselves which game is better than which. (that is not the case)

[Anonymous No.5990915]

>>5990817

[Anonymous No.5990927]

Literally playing it this time.
It's OK, I like the dungeons, somethings are cryptic and tedious like waiting at a specific time to talk to someone, but overall it's enjoyable.
>just finished the goron temple and even managed to get gold dust from the race

One thing this game needs is going back-forward to a specific time, no 12 hour forward only jumps.

[Anonymous No.5990940]

>>5989472
>historical revisionism
I get you're excited, having heard this euphemistic term for the first time, but it looks like you don't know what it actually means.

[Anonymous No.5990947]

>>5989472
Fact. No one didnt pretend to like this game until 2010ish

[Anonymous No.5990954]

>>5990704
>le youtuber boogeyman again

[Anonymous No.5990981]

>>5990689
>miyamoto's magnum opus
it was directed by aonuma

[Anonymous No.5990986]

>>5990927
Going back and forth to specific times is QOL at the cost of obviating the time mechanic completely. No, and fuck you for saying so.

[Anonymous No.5991085]

>>5990689
>reviewer repeatedly praises Miyamoto for a game he only produced and Aonuma's first and easily best director role

[Anonymous No.5991195]

>>5990986
meh, time travel is a vastly unexplored mechanic

[Anonymous No.5991212]

>>5989472
was popular for many years after it came out, most kids liked it more than OoT

[Anonymous No.5991342]

>>5991195
Time travel may not be robust, but it’s not supposed to be. The ticking clock is what’s important. It’s the governing factor of every quest, branching NPC events, and fail state. Time travel is only there as a means of refreshing the clock or being able to reach time-sensitive events without having to wait around while the clock runs. Complete dominance over the clock is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.5991346]

>>5991342
there's really nothing special about it, a lot of games have time limits

[Anonymous No.5991350]

>>5991346
Outside of Dead Rising I can't think of any other game that has MM's strict time based schedule.

[Anonymous No.5991351]

>>5989731
That doesn’t conflict with what I said. I was like 75% agreeing with you. All I was saying is that some people did like it better, but these people were not seen as being the majority or correct.

[Anonymous No.5991352]

>>5991346
For the last time, it’s not just the time limit that’s important here. It’s the fact that everything the game is built around is predicated on a schedule with branching outcomes depending on what you did or did not do during those specific points in said schedule.

Don’t be stupid.

[Anonymous No.5991353]

>>5991350
google count down timers in vidya
you'd think that you've encountered them before posting on /vr/

[Anonymous No.5991356]

>>5991353
You and I both know we aren't just talking about time limits as they exist in most games.

[Anonymous No.5991359]

>>5991353
Jesus fucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.5991361]

>>5991352
you sound like you're being obtuse, the scripted events have been done before, schedules for characters is a bit newer, but there's far more interesting uses of time on other games

[Anonymous No.5991364]

>>5991359>>5991356
lol you're having a mental breakdown trying to hold a conversation, get a grip dude

[Anonymous No.5991365]

>>5991350
Shenmue. Came out a year before MM too.

[Anonymous No.5991368]

>>5991361
>but there's far more interesting uses of time on other games
Name them.

[Anonymous No.5991378]

>>5991361
I’m saying it’s the amalgamation of all those factors that’s important to the finished work and being able to freely travel up and down and all around time at your whimsy shatters the game’s governing mechanic and by extension everything that’s dependent on it. I am so glad you aren’t a dev.

[Anonymous No.5991381]

>>5991364
I’m not angry, mate. I’m just profoundly disappointed.

[Anonymous No.5991438]

>>5989554
This never happened for me. I was delighted to have another Zelda game, and I actually preferred it for a time over OoT since I felt it was easier to roleplay in it's towns and other areas.

Even if people dislike something at the time, it's perfectly fine to return later with more wisdom and see that "oh yeah this was actually a really good and fun game."

[Anonymous No.5991470]

>>5989504
Yikes. The sidequests were terrible. And sidequests were most of the game.

[Anonymous No.5991485]

I beat majoras mask without doing any of the side content I don't why but I could never figure out how to get into any of it/ didnt care, but I imagine that has a lot to do with the time mechanic but when its applied to the main quests its just tedious having to repeat what you just did multiple times just faster. I still think its a good Zelda game through better then faggoty wind waker.

[Anonymous No.5991486]

>>5991350
pikmin?

[Anonymous No.5991495]

>>5991470
>subjective (but still shit) statement + buzzword

Stop.

[Anonymous No.5991981]

>>5991495
>he thinks quality is subjective
KYS.

[Anonymous No.5991997]

>>5989472
I think about 1/4 of it is genuine appreciation for the game, but the remaining 3/4 is contrarianism about Ocarina of Time getting so much praise where people who don't like OoT pretend to really like Majora's Mask a lot to show they're into the quirky weirder N64 Zelda game instead.

[Anonymous No.5992067]

>>5991997
Liking ocarina at all these days is seen as contrarian

[Anonymous No.5992149]

I remember people liking it and hating it...like now. Maybe shit doesn't change.

[Anonymous No.5992229]

>>5991485
>I beat majoras mask without doing any of the side content

I sort of don't understand this, but at the same time I somewhat admire the game for pulling no punches and not holding your hand by trying to lead you to anything, leaving it entirely up to your own curiosity to discover things. It kind of misses the whole point of the game to not do any side content, since that's like 80% of the game.

[Anonymous No.5992415]

>>5989612
it was that one that didn't get nearly enough attention or care. some complaints about the time system. it was nice appreciating a comfy game to tag alongside my other favorite game. not as many people may have liked but it's all the more special seeing who does. then popularity ensued and people grinding it as edge incarnate never even playing the game. sometimes i hate the internet.

[Anonymous No.5992449]

>>5989504
I never played it as a kid due to not having the RAM expansion for my N64 that's necessary to play it. But I managed to get a copy of it as an adult and I have to say, I do really like it.

In some ways I prefer OoT more, but I did really enjoy playing MM. The dark atmosphere was something that I found likeable about it, as well as how all the different masks had such a wide array of respective effects that you could use for doing different things.

[Anonymous No.5992557]

>>5992067
>Liking ocarina at all these days is seen as contrarian
No, it's still contrarian to hate OoT. You see lots of contrarian posting on 4chan in particular, and bits of it here and there when you read modern stuff on OoT because the people who aren't contrarians already explained why it was great 20 years ago and are probably less likely to be the writers of modern articles on the topic.
To date it's got a 99% on metacritic and a 96% Google Users "like" rating. The fact it went all the way down to 96% is pretty ridiculous in itself with that second score, but again, that's still really far off to call the 96% position contrarian and the 4% position mainstream.

[Anonymous No.5992563]

>>5989554
They didn't like it because they were expecting another OoT. Now people can appreciate it for what it is.

[Anonymous No.5992692]

I liked majoras mask, but OOT is comfier to me, if only for the lack of a timer. Shit stresses me out, even at half speed.

[Anonymous No.5992703]

>>5992692
Having 6 entire hours to complete a dungeon "stresses you out"? Maybe you should be in a group home rather than playing "stressful" video games, anon.

[Anonymous No.5992704]

>>5992703
maybe you should be backhanded

[Anonymous No.5992720]

>>5992704
Maybe I should, but I'm still right, and I'm a masochist, so it'd just turn me on.

[Anonymous No.5992787]

>>5991470
>Yikes
filtered

[Anonymous No.5992952]

>>5991353
Majora's Mask doesn't just have a countdown timer, the very movement of NPCs is tied to the time in a way that's not common in games.

[Anonymous No.5993143]

>>5992952

It's more common than you may realize, after playing a lot of games you tend to notice how similar they are.

[Anonymous No.5993161]

>>5992692
>>5992720
Stress is the intended emotional response. The world is ending. Everyone in that game is stressed and if you’re feeling stressed too then that’s testament to how well it worked out.

[Anonymous No.5993294]

>>5992692
^This. I don't care if it was an intentional challenging feature. I don't play games to feel stressed out. I just want to cut and puzzle solve my way through neat dungeons at my leisure.

[Anonymous No.5993331]

>>5993294
Again. Is 6 hours not enough time for you to figure out how to progress through and finish a dungeon? I'd really love to see just how much time you people take in other Zelda games. Did the Water Temple take you months? Did you ree?

[Anonymous No.5993338]

>>5993331
dude, reread his post as many times as it takes

[Anonymous No.5993403]

>>5993338
One should not feel stressed while playing a game. Majora's Mask is not a stressful game.

[Anonymous No.5993404]

>>5993403
what is: subjectivity
but why bother you obviously aren't intelligent

[Anonymous No.5993407]

>>5993331
You have to do a bunch of obnoxious timed side quest shit before you even get to start playing a dungeon. From the very beginning it's stress bullshit running around stuck as a fucking deku scrub trying to guess which kid is where so you can win the tag contest or whatever crap that is and get a notebook of all things like it's 20 years ago and I'm back in the most stressful stage of life which is public school and the teacher is making me keep a journal like that one she baited my procrastinating tendencies on and left the due date for the end of the year so I had to stay up he night before crying and having stress diarhea until I filled in a year's worth of fake journaling, and that was really where I can trace back the origins of my eventual autoimmune intestinal ulcers.

[Anonymous No.5993418]

>>5993404
I'm unintelligent because I don't get stressed out by literal children's games? Ok, retard. Go back to crying and l-literally shakign on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.5993431]

>>5989554
No one hated Majora's Mask loser.

[Anonymous No.5993432]

>>5993418

[Anonymous No.5993442]

>>5993432

[Anonymous No.5993493]

>>5993418
>literal children’s games

I honestly hate this rhetoric. There are games made explicitly for children and Majora’s Mask is not one of them. It was made for everyone, and has content that’s meant for people in different stages of life to be able to relate to and enjoy.

[Anonymous No.5993521]

>>5993493
Shhh. I'm trying to be condescending and mean just for the sake of it. Don't you go making sense at me.

[Anonymous No.5993625]

>>5993442
why would you click that you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.5993930]

>>5990689
Sonic Adventure finally confirmed for being a good game
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.5993939]

>>5993930
The idea isn't that reviews actually matter, but that OP was wrong about people hating on MM upon release. It was always an acclaimed game, although controversial.

[Anonymous No.5993958]

>>5993939
>although controversial
then OP isn't wrong idiot

[Anonymous No.5993967]

>>5993939
>It was always an acclaimed game, although controversial.
Just like the Adventure games .

[Anonymous No.5993974]

>>5993958
Something controversial can still be adored. In fact, most adored things ARE controversial.
You were wrong, OP. Try being born earlier next time.

[Anonymous No.5994386]

>>5993967
people did like those back then i always thought they were so gay, shadow is the shittiest fucking deviantart character

[Anonymous No.5994629]

People weren't adverse to MM when it came out, just indifferent. The PS2 came out the exact same day.

[Anonymous No.5994817]

>>5989510
wew

[Anonymous No.5994820]

>>5989504
based

[Anonymous No.5997401]

>>5994386
I liked Shadow in the context of Sonic Adventure

[Anonymous No.5997480]

>>5989472
>10 year olds in the 90's liked a spooky game with a 3-day apocalypse timer and ramped up difficulty over OOT less than they do playing later in their mid-late 20's now that they're good at video games and can laugh watching Scream and Candyman instead of hiding under the covers
Wow who the fuck would've thought.

[Anonymous No.5997485]

>>5994386
The only people who try harder to look cool than Shadow and his fans are the people that need to let the world know that they hate an edgy evil hedgehog character in their game series about an edgy good hedgehog character.

[Anonymous No.5997509]

I remember following news about this game in every magazine I could find. First appeared as Zelda Gaiden I think revealed sometime around 1999.
When it came out I didn't have enough money to buy it, but me and some friends rented it and spent a whole day playing it.
Shortly after I bought my own copy.
The general perception was that it was harder than OOT (not a bad thing) and that the 3-day cycle made the game frustrating (until you learn that reverse song of time, and realize the fact that you still keep the key items, so it's not a total time reset that makes you start all over again).
Other than that, the game was amazing, boasted even better graphics than Ocarina of Time, and felt familiar yet very different at the same time. To this day I think it's incredible how they pumped out an OOT sequel so quickly.

[Anonymous No.5998557]

>>5989554
>a lazy rehash of oot assets
Nobody fucking thought this at the time.
And even today people don't think this when they know how long the game was actually in development for.

[Anonymous No.5998558]

>>5997485
he's not even evil and neither of them were particularly edgy

is too cool-for-school considered edgy now? christ

[Anonymous No.5998573]

>>5990689
>I listen to game journalists
Take your opinion and kindly toss it into the refuse bin.

[Anonymous No.5998578]

>>5989554

Every damn bit of this is true. Only stubborn fanboys wont admit that MM had universally garbage reception on release.

Stubbornness aside, the only other reason why people wont admit this is due to the forced meme of the "Zelda cycle" Its a way to revise history for Nintendrones so they can try to redeem newer crappier Zeldas by saying older Zeldas like MM used to be considered shit and therefore this cycle is true for every Zelda game after it. In reality this is just confirmation bias being spread by the misinformed.

[Anonymous No.5998598]

>>5998578
I thought this was the case, most people thought OoT was better and now it's the opposite.

[Anonymous No.5998619]

I thought it held up much better than OOT. More interesting story

[Anonymous No.5998736]

>>5989472
You're a fucking idiot.
>>5989504
It's just teenagers being ignorant.

[Anonymous No.6000154]

Majora's Mask was always an amazing game. The only people who disliked it were normies who wanted OoT 2.0. They hated the time limit and the non-standard story and atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.6000334]

>>5997485
I swear i wouldnt know about this edgy bs if it wasnt for 4chan.