/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5979876]

Super Metroid vs Symphony of the Night, fight to the death. Who would win?

[Anonymous No.5979881]

super metroid is widely said to be the best SNES game ever. symphony of the night is not even in the top 10 in most opinions. im not agreeing with it but why is that?

[Anonymous No.5979885]

Super Metroid has better gameplay and better graphics. It also has no shitty RPG mechanics.

Symphony has better music.

Super Metroid is substantially better overall.

[Anonymous No.5979887]

Metroid Prime is the best game I ever played

[Anonymous No.5979892]

>>5979881
Because the snes library is not as good as the psx library

[Anonymous No.5979894]

>>5979887
>a fucking console FPS-like 3d platformer with shit controls and tedious, horrible gameplay is the best game i ever played
Jesus fuck, how do kids get so fucking brainwashed by style-over-substance shit? Was it the pretty graphics? It was the fucking pretty graphics, wasn't it? Fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.5979897]

>>5979894
>FPS-like

[Anonymous No.5979901]

>>5979894
Metroid Prime has really ugly graphics compared to Super Metroid.

[Anonymous No.5979906]

>>5979876
How the fuck does Super Metroid have better graphics than a PSX game?

[Anonymous No.5979907]

>>5979906
Why wouldn't it and why would you be surprised by this? DKC2 looks better than every platformer on the Playstation, too.

There are a few parts of Symphony that do look great, like the stairway in the beginning, but overall, it looks like that pic in the OP; very flat and visually boring.

[Anonymous No.5979916]

>>5979894
calm your tits

[Anonymous No.5979919]

>>5979907
In retrospect, my days spent with the PSX was mostly with the 3D games, only 2D ones I recall owning were fighting games, Megaman 8 and Rayman which to my memory all looged better or just as good as SNES

[Anonymous No.5979923]

>>5979907
yeah symphony of the night isn't as polished of a game. music's great. voice acting's silly. art design's a bit sloppy

[Anonymous No.5979929]

>>5979919
Platformer graphics are like 95% art direction, whereas fighting games have some serious problems running on SNES, hence generally tiny sprites and sluggish pace. Not that the CD medium on the Playstation doesn't present its own issues.

[Anonymous No.5979962]

Super Metroid.

Sotn isn't even the best Igavania, AoS, DoS, and PoR were all better imo.

[Anonymous No.5979986]

How do we uncuck retro gaming?

[Anonymous No.5979989]

>>5979962
OoE is way better than the Sorrow games. Especially Dawn.

[Anonymous No.5979990]

>>5979906
SotN has graphical fidelity the SNES could only dream of. That specific scene doesn’t do a good job of showing that off.

[Anonymous No.5979993]

Super Metroid is the best designed game ever made. SoTN's gameplay is unbalanced, unfocused, extremely easy even without any sort of cheese, the level design is a mess and the RPG """"""""""system"""""""""" is awful. If it weren't for the production values, this game would have been forgotten forever.

[Anonymous No.5979994]

>>5979906
>A bunch of repeating tiles
Wow so much fucking better

[Anonymous No.5979995]

>>5979986
You don't. Accept that your hobby has been infected by the vile poison of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.5979996]

>>5979989
OoE is just grindy with boring damage sponge enemies you kill over and over for glypgs and then the level design sucks on top of it. The castle and bonus dungeon are the only interesting platforming in the whole game.

Sorrow games aren't great either though to be fair.

[Anonymous No.5979997]

>>5979995
The degree to which progress triggers you is a delight to me.

[Anonymous No.5979998]

>>5979997

[Anonymous No.5980001]

>>5979998
The funny thing is I'm married and you're probably a virgin.

[Anonymous No.5980004]

>>5980001
>y-you're a virgin
Looks like you really are a walking stereotype. Have you given your wife's son a NES mini yet?

[Anonymous No.5980006]

>>5980004
No but my niece has one :)

[Anonymous No.5980009]

>>5979994
Samus and Croc are both very detailed and clear designs, someone who made those sprites clearly was an artist. The Castlevania guy over there and his sword looks like Game Boy Color tier

[Anonymous No.5980029]

>>5979996
>Calling OoE grindy when comparing it to Dawn
El oh el my man. What the hell?
>Damage sponge enemies
You literally need to git gud. Learn enemy weaknesses (not just patterns, but which type of element and physical weapon are most effective against them). The information is always displayed to you on the top screen.
Note: poisoning most enemies turns them into total pushovers.
And I never had to grind for glyphs like I would souls in Dawn. Only a fraction of them are actually hard to get, and you can get by without them desu.
>Platforming
Aside from CotM, none of the Metroidvanias have interesting platforming. It’s always been about the enemy layout and exploration. OoE does the the former the best, but I do wish it was a less fragmented. The areas are beautiful and at the time it was a welcome change to a kinda stale formula. When revisiting the game however I feel like if they had made it a Simon’s Quest-esque journey to Dracula’s castle, and Dracula’s castle was at least the same size as in the other Metroidvanias, then OoE would be the best game in the series hands down.

[Anonymous No.5980037]

>>5980029
Meh. Even going with the right attacks I still found the whole thing just felt like a chore. I wanted to like it, Shonoa was cool and the game looks great but I found it so boring. I wouldn't call myself a huge fan of the series in general though. DoS was also quite dull though I liked the extra mode. CotM is my favorite of the metroidvanias and PoR is decent gameplay wise but I don't love most of the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.5980042]

>>5979986
By not using buzzwords, for one

[Anonymous No.5980275]

>>5979881
>ymphony of the night is not even in the top 10 in most opinions
Those opinions are shit then.

[Anonymous No.5980308]

>>5979876
SotN has better aesthetics and more gameplay options, but it's too damn easy, even if you don't know what you're doing. Bloodstained has the same problem, from what I can tell. Metroid is a tigher experience, like my younger gf. The atmosphere is concentrated.

[Anonymous No.5980376]

Based Symphony

[Anonymous No.5980389]

>>5980308
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.5980401]

>>5980308
>>5980389
You gobba play Luck mode

[Anonymous No.5980404]

>>5979993
>Super Metroid is the best designed game ever made

[Anonymous No.5980406]

>>5980404

[Anonymous No.5980421]

>>5979876
SotN is better and it's not even close.
Super Metroid is the most overrated game of all time.

[Anonymous No.5980494]

>>5980421
T. pic related

[Anonymous No.5980503]

>>5979876
Alucard controls well, whereas Super Metroid happens to be a good video game.

[Anonymous No.5980512]

>>5979887
NOT RETRO

[Anonymous No.5980516]

>>5980421
Maybe not of all time but I agree Super Metroid is good at best. Rose colored glasses save it. Without a guide, without any way to look up what you're doing wrong it's easy to get stuck wandering around trying to find a way to places. The superbomb in the tunnel, how ass wall jumping is before you finally figure out how, forgetting the stupid map room because it's been pink since you started. Game is full of bad design that you forget is bad because you've played it 30 times or have a walkthrough open.

[Anonymous No.5980519]

>>5979876
Metroid 3 has better gameplay and level design.
SotN has better enemy/boss designs and music.

[Anonymous No.5980531]

>>5979881
>symphony of the night is not even in the top 10 in most opinions
who the fuck are you even talking to?

[Anonymous No.5980536]

>>5980001
>married
WELP

[Anonymous No.5980553]

I've just recently completed both for the first time and I preferred SOTN overall. I wanted to like Metroid more though, it should have been better.
The map in Metroid is just tedious by the time you hit later parts of the game. It's the fact they decided it was a good idea to have a labyrinthine map layout, which is fine in of itself, but on top of that many of the rooms are just filled with obstacles, clutter and secret entrances. it maybe wouldn't have been so bad if the minimap was slightly more forgiving with info or something. I feel like overall they should have went with secret entrances or labyrinth layout, not both.
The Ridley fight also just sucks dick, if you don't have enough super missiles by the time you get down there you gotta backtrack like a motherfucker.
Also
>walljump
Both really good games tho.

[Anonymous No.5980638]

>>5980536
Yup. I get to hang out with the girl of my dreams just about every day. Pretty swell if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.5980929]

>>5979876
We can have great threads about these games individually but every time someone pits them against each other all of the faglords come out of the woodwork.

[Anonymous No.5980940]

>>5979906
>>5979907
Please tell this is a joke. You cannot be this delusional

[Anonymous No.5980967]

>>5979907
>DKC2 looks better than every platformer on the Playstation, too.

[Anonymous No.5981331]

>>5980553
>Super Missiles for Ridley
Charge shots bitchboy, you found all the beam upgrades didn't you? Or did you get lost but still somehow not find the hidden goodies? I can understand getting lost and going the wrong way, leading you to little goodies like missile tanks and other bonus upgrades, but getting lost and just backtracking through shit just sounds like you're stupid and weren't paying attention to the rooms you went through.

[Anonymous No.5981346]

>>5980516
I agree that SM is needlessly cryptic in some aspects (see the missle containers that appear only by shooting out some random section of unmarked wall that you wouldn't think to x-ray) but the tube in Maridia isn't one of them. It's the best/fastest way to get through the section but there's a literal elevator from the Wrecked Ship that takes you there, and entering Maridia when you get to the tube screen if it's not broken, you'll land on top of it which clearly indicates that it's breakable.

[Anonymous No.5981409]

>>5979876
Metriod has her power suit, but Night is a immortal. It's tough to say.

[Anonymous No.5981445]

>>5979876
Cartridges are more durable than CDs so Super Metroid would easily win in a fight

[Anonymous No.5981471]

>>5979881
>super metroid is widely said to be the best SNES game ever.
uhh.. no? seiken densetsu 3 is you boomer fuck. go shill somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.5981481]

>>5981471
Suckadick

[Anonymous No.5981569]

>>5981481
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.5981724]

>>5980512
but that's wrong :^)

[Anonymous No.5981751]

>>5980638
Retard, you don't need to be married to do that

[Anonymous No.5981759]

>>5981331
I was using ice/wave/plasma. Same damage as super missiles but the start up wasn't working out for me. Glad my post triggered your autism tho

[Anonymous No.5981817]

>see more and more /vr/ threads degenerating into garbage like this
>"I wonder..."
>tab over to /v/ out of curiosity
>there's less shitposting than usual

HMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.5982280]

>>5981751
Of course, but needs and wants are different.

[Anonymous No.5982984]

>>5980404
>npc AND soijack
Boy you brought out BOTH the memes! Whatever will we do?!

[Anonymous No.5983112]

>>5979892
/thread

[Anonymous No.5983118]

>>5979892
Most PSX games are unplayable now and are absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.5983151]

>>5983118
I agree, almost every 3D game is laggy and slow and the 2D games are so-so.

[Anonymous No.5983156]

>>5983118
That’s true for 90% of every library.

[Anonymous No.5983163]

>>5983151
>laggy and slow and the 2D games are so-so
Yeah the SNES was kinda shit in hindsight. Genesis is top tier tho.

[Anonymous No.5983173]

>>5983163
Not with all those special chips, SNES trounces the Mega Drive, the 32X, Mega CD and even tries to keep up with the PS1.

[Anonymous No.5983187]

>>5983173
>Needs additional hardware that bloats the price of games to be moderately less shit
W E W

[Anonymous No.5983214]

>>5983173
That's some pretty delusional shitposting.

[Anonymous No.5983329]

>>5981445
How do they fight if neither one can move? Do you bang them together until one of them breaks?

[Anonymous No.5983418]

>>5980001
What city do you live in? I might be fucking your wife.

[Anonymous No.5983425]

>>5983187
The best thing about SA1 is how it's salvaging games which were rife with slowdown. Here's hope Sparkster gets the love it deserves.

[Anonymous No.5983547]

>>5983173
I had this port. If you don't think hardware plays any role in video game AI, play this. So much memory goes to the game assets that the CPU does nothing but stand idle and let itself get hit no matter the difficulty. Furthermore, all the instruments are MIDI harmonica and the game has load times every time a round starts. Next time someone asks "is there such a thing as a 'so bad it's good' video game," post this game.

[Anonymous No.5984932]

>>5981471
horrible game

[Anonymous No.5984935]

>>5983329
if one tips over and falls on the other

[Anonymous No.5985552]

Super Metroid: Mood

SotN: Presence

[Anonymous No.5985562]

Super Metroid might be a better game, but SotN is the one I keep coming back to year after year. Maybe you can get really into the speedrunning or something, but there's a pretty set way to play through SM.

SotN is a lot more freeform, and really rewards experimentation and player creativity. You can totally break the game if you really want to, but the flip side is that you can also let yourself do some awesome challenge runs just for the fun of it... and you can actually make it work! My last run through the game was a 99 luck fist weapons only playthrough and I had a grand time. It's a big difference from super metroid where any kind of limited equipment selection might mean you need to spend hours perfecting specific sequence breaking tricks.

To me, it just makes SotN so much more appealing to come back to. With just a little ingenuity there are all sorts of ways around every problem.

[Anonymous No.5985575]

>>5984932
this is what you came up with? its like they don't even try anymore.

[Anonymous No.5985620]

>>5979876
I think Super Metroid is the better game overall: I played them both less than a month ago, so I don't have to rely on old, vague memories. However, Symphony of the Night might have aged better, gameplay-wise.
If you play Fusion, and especially Zero Missiom, you instantly realize how clunky and dated Super Metroid feels, while SotN still feels reasonably close to modern Castlevania titles.
Now, you could also say that Metroid evolved, while Castlevania did not, but that's now how I personally felt. Super Metroid definitely shows its age more than SotN does, at least to me.

[Anonymous No.5985635]

>>5979894
Literal 30 year old zoomer response.

[Anonymous No.5985640]

>>5979906
The PSX literally couldn't display sprites: 2D was pretty much a hack.
That said, no, SotN looks better than Super Metroid IMHO.

[Anonymous No.5985645]

>>5979962
>>5979989
>>5979996
>>5980029
Not retro.

[Anonymous No.5985663]

>>5983118
I know, right? You don't even get to build things out of nowhere, no kill streaks and micro transactions.

[Anonymous No.5985726]

>>5979894
>shit controls
Those controls were fine. The game has a ton of platforming and would’ve been tedious if you had a dedicated camera stick

[Anonymous No.5985817]

>>5985645
K.