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[Anonymous No.5963816]

Best Symphony of the Night familiar. I wanna hear arguments.

[Anonymous No.5963826]

>>5963816
Not voiced by Boyacky.

[Anonymous No.5963943]

I just went with the fairy because I wanted a cute girl following me around. I don't actually know if she's any better or worse than the others.

[Anonymous No.5963982]

>not playing the PSP version to have the singing fairy

[Anonymous No.5963998]

I'd pick the sword because that thing is very strong. I'm afraid it holds back to let you kill stuff

[Anonymous No.5964274]

"Heere a goddess of happiness cries,
an endless timeless lullab-
AAAH!"

[Anonymous No.5964539]

>classy
>cool interactions
>skree skree

[Anonymous No.5964541]

>>5963816
Pantyshot fairy for fairy pantyshots.

[Anonymous No.5964641]

>>5963816
I can't say shes the best but I prefer using her than any familiar since she can detect breakable walls, at least some of them.

[Anonymous No.5964663]

>>5964641
The devil can detect them too.

[Anonymous No.5964818]

>>5963816
Until I can swing the fairy around to kill enemies, the sword wins.

[Anonymous No.5964823]

>>5964663
Is the devil the same as the imp? I can't remember. Because the imp has the added benefit of hitting switches in the environment. I can't count how many fucking axes I threw at the one in the catacombs before I learned that.

[Anonymous No.5964990]

>>5963816
Fairy and demon. The rest are shit. The Sword is good but better as an item.

[Anonymous No.5964994]

>>5963982
Was there any difference stat wise?

[Anonymous No.5965003]

>>5964823
That's the only one he hits.
>>5964663
False.

[Anonymous No.5965696]

>>5964663
The devil only flips a switch for a hidden area

[Anonymous No.5965745]

The better question is which one sucks.
>Fairy
Heals you, and can use life apples.
>Imp
Hits switches and can hit for high damage. And also hit for elemental damage.
>Sword
Spins around barely hitting anything. However can output high damage. And sword brothers are op.
>Bat
So when you are a bat you can have many bats who mimic you. Good for cheesing, but the game is not hard enough to warrant that.
>Ghost
fucking scared'y cat who flees the scene. He can hit for ok damage after leveling.

Ghost is the worst. everyone else is viable.

[Anonymous No.5966319]

>>5964990
Good as an item doesn't count for much in a game with the Crissaegrim even if it does end up having the highest attack stat. It's good if you want a truly maxed out build so that you can go from a Terminator to a planet-scale cataclysm in that game.

[Anonymous No.5966343]

>>5963982
Fairy sung in JP 1.2 as well, aka the version meant for the retranslation patch.

[Anonymous No.5966720]

Why would I pick anything but the cool as fuck sword

[Anonymous No.5966739]

>>5966720
The singing fairy is sweet on Alucard and has the several moments dialogue. It's nice to have a little company in those lonely halls, and fairy items are really quite powerful.

[Anonymous No.5966742]

>>5966739
The only companian I need is LIBRARIAN

[Anonymous No.5967230]

>>5964539
doesn't it flash hearts at you in bat form or is that soma later on?

[Anonymous No.5967356]

Once you've played the game a few times the faeries are really the only "useful" ones anymore since you're probably already cheesing the fuck out of the game with some kind of ridiculous amror/weapon combo or playing luck mode + naked/dagger.
>>5967230
It does, yeah

[Anonymous No.5967629]

>>5964641
>>5964663
Can't the ghost detect hidden things as well?

[Anonymous No.5967716]

>>5964823
He hits one switch, which is all I ever used him for.

>>5965745
>the game is not hard enough to warrant that
If you haven't, give it a try on Luck Mode, it makes the game a somewhat steep uphill battle for the first couple of hours, at least compared to how easy going it is normally.

[Anonymous No.5968473]

>>5963816
i know im about to get shit on, but I didnt use a single familiar in my playthrough because the game was already easy enough.

[Anonymous No.5968525]

>>5964539
Thematically appropriate

[Anonymous No.5968757]

>>5963816
I wish they had a Castlevania game where you can convert normal enemies in the castle to be your demon familiar. I would make the huntress ghost my familiar

[Anonymous No.5969016]

Make sure not to move for a second or two after you equip/change your familiar, they will speak for a bit, except for the bat and ghost. The Fairy is the cutest on that.

[Anonymous No.5969037]

I'm interested in this.

[Anonymous No.5969043]

>>5963816
I think "retard tiny devil with spear" is the best one. mostly due to legendary bad voice acting when pressing the button in the cave area. it was almost as shitty as drac's "what is a man?" speech.

[Anonymous No.5969086]

>>5969043
That shit had me rolling

[Anonymous No.5969098]

I vote for the fairy, my reasoning is that I want to fuck the fairy.

[Anonymous No.5969110]

The sword is the best because it's actually having fun following you around and fighting monsters

>SLASH!
>SLICE!

[Anonymous No.5969981]

>>5969098
The fairy in SOTN is actually big enough that it's conceivable to have sex with her. Assuming lots of lube, still.

[Anonymous No.5969985]

>>5963816
You posted the wrong fairy

[Anonymous No.5969990]

>>5969981
lol I never knew you can sit on that chair

[Anonymous No.5969992]

>>5969985
what filter is that

[Anonymous No.5969995]

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on the difference between the faeries aside from singing?

[Anonymous No.5970001]

>>5969995
That's all.

[Anonymous No.5970004]

What are the icons on the bottom sub weapons supposed to be? What are they doing? I always assumed that powder one is salt.

[Anonymous No.5970018]

>>5970004
>I always assumed that powder one is salt.

I guess it is. that one probably was inspired by some old Nosferatu movie but instead of tossing it randomly, they carefully make a circle of that stuff around the vampire.

[Anonymous No.5970019]

>>5970004
Bottom left: In Slavic mythology, Agunea is the youngest son of Svarog, a fire god often equated with Hephaestus. Agunea's role is to purify and protect the righteous with flames from "heaven", which in Castlevania is interpreted as lightning.

Bottom right: The Vibhuti is based on the Hindu Vibhuti, which are blessed, scented ashes of the dead (not necessarily human). Vibhuti receptacles are worn for prayer and blessing, and ingesting the ashes is said to cure a variety of ailments. Because of these parallels, Vibhuti is often considered the Hindu equivalent of Holy Water.

Center bottom: Just a rock that ricochets.

[Anonymous No.5970023]

>>5970019
Are there any other games that have as many allusions to different myths and folklore aside from Shin Megami Tensei? It's interesting just looking through the bestiary in Castlevania games.

[Anonymous No.5970024]

>>5970018
actually, scratch that, it's sacred ashes called Vibhuti.

https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Vibhuti

[Anonymous No.5970026]

too bad those sub weapons are borderline useless like that lightning bolt one that takes too many hearts. I like the holy water and bible the most, especially the holy water since it's good for leveling up your familiars with those constantly regenerating things, I forgot the name.

[Anonymous No.5970028]

>>5969992
easymode-halation

[Anonymous No.5970032]

>>5969086
HMMMMMMMMM
A SWITCH
WHY DON'T I PRESS IT AND SEE?!?!

[Anonymous No.5970034]

>>5970004
I always figured the lightning one is supposed to be some sort of gun. Also it's not actually that bad, because if you hold down attack with it, you'll continue making contact with your lightning, which though expensive in hearts, does pretty alright damage.
The powder one is supposed to be like holy ashes or something, functionally very similar to holy water, though it doesn't seem to have the same damage output.

Playing on Luck Mode, I found that the Stopwatch was incredibly useful, because Alucard stays very fragile for most of the game, and the window you get with timestop is a great opportunity for casting spells or healing yourself.
It's expensive in hearts, but I also don't use it a lot, so I'm never too short on them when I really need it.
Works on some bosses, not others.

[Anonymous No.5970041]

>>5970032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGL5UKfeYU

[Anonymous No.5970042]

>>5970004
The cross with the blood cloak was ultra easy mode.

[Anonymous No.5970052]

>>5970041
>that smudge filter
>the stuttering
Yuck.

>>5970042
There's a lot of really powerful equipment available.

[Anonymous No.5970058]

>>5970052
https://youtu.be/I2soJOABpaM

[Anonymous No.5970061]

>>5966742
Heheh, thank you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPsQnsOHflc

[Anonymous No.5970156]

>>5969043
>>5970032
It winds up being a bit of a voice actor joke-- in Japan, he's voice by Joji Yanami (King Kai from DBZ, among other roles). Since the primary sub role of the Demon is to push the button, and it's voiced by him, they made the Nose Devil... which is made to evoke Boyacky, the character from Yatterman who frequently pressed the buttons of the giant robots the evil team used in the show. His catch phrase "Pochittona", said whenever he'd push a button, even gets said by the Nose Demon in the Japanese language version of the game.

[Anonymous No.5970191]

>>5970019
>Center bottom: Just a rock that ricochets.
It's a callback to a similar weapon in Simon's Quest.

[Anonymous No.5970321]

>>5969995
Singing and she's got a goofy cute voice.

[Anonymous No.5970326]

>>5970034
He's only fragile for like the first 20 minutes. Once you have enough MP for Spirit/Tetra Spirit and Dark Metamorphosis you're good to go

[Anonymous No.5970329]

>>5970156
The PSP English dub makes him sound more like a John DiMaggio character (Bender, Jake, Drakken, etc.)

[Anonymous No.5970337]

>>5970329
Except I can't stand the PSP dub. I know the OG PSX dub is meme tier but I can't be doin without Robert Belgrade Al and Michael Guinn Dracula. Absolute top tier HAM

[Anonymous No.5970354]

>>5970337
There's no disagreeing with that.

[Anonymous No.5970459]

Nose Demon. Has a big nose.

[Anonymous No.5970679]

>>5970326
I got by with Seeking Spirit (in fact it was basically my only attack for a while), but I felt he was fragile enough for pretty much the first castle that I would try to avoid as much close combat I could, so Dark Metamorphosis wasn't frequently an option, I felt.
It's not really until a bit into the inverse castle that I feel he's durable enough, has enough strength, and have a good enough weapon that I can get really serious about melee combat, and that's against the much stronger and much meaner monsters there.

I had lots of fun with Luck Mode, and I think I'll want to give it another go.

[Anonymous No.5970687]

Either I fucked up and got the familiars too late, or they should've introduced them earlier on. They kinda seemed like a pointless, tacked on bonus that was given once they'd become mostly pointless, beyond whichever one it is that can heal you. The switch pressing was an OK implementation and the room finding can be helpful, but it would've been nice to have the combat abilities of the familiar back when they could actually help, and have the leveling up feel more organic as you played through the game. Again, maybe I fucked up since I've only played the game through one time.

[Anonymous No.5970881]

>>5970687
SotN is full of pointless shit, that's why it's so beloved.

[Anonymous No.5972918]

>>5965745
Ghost is a vicious little bastard at high levels, but you have to leave him switched on forever just following you around to get to that point.
I actually use him the most because he's the most unobtrusive, and the game is easy enough you don't really need to use any of them. I just like to pad all their stats.

[Anonymous No.5973674]

>>5970881
That's why I wish it had a New Game +, because it would be really fun to use some of the more esoteric stuff early in the game, like the Chakram, or to do a run where you rely on the Duplicator and throwing items.

[Anonymous No.5973690]

>>5973674
Check out the SotN randomizer anon
https://sotn.io/

[Anonymous No.5973750]

>>5970004
The lighting ring whatever the hell it is, was always my favorite sub-weapon because of that extremely satisfying crunchy electric shock sound effect.

[Anonymous No.5974124]

>>5973674
The weapons, but also a ton of little things that exist just to be there because why not. The bird life cycle on the outer wall, the random weather on the outer wall, Alucard being able to sit in chairs, Alucard falling ASLEEP if he's in a chair too long, familiars getting lines if you're at a complete standstill and summon them, the Owl Knight rushing over hellbent on getting to his wounded pet if it dies on him, Venus Weeds changing from white to red if blood sprays on them... there's just so many little "extra" touches to SotN that they never had to do but did just because.

[Anonymous No.5974127]

>>5974124
I know, and I love it, but I also think there would have been further mileage from the game if there was a New Game + mode where you got to keep your inventory (aside from progression critical items).

[Anonymous No.5974249]

What's the best version of Symphony of the Night to play? I know the Dreamcast version has a Maria mode, but I think the Saturn version has two new areas in the game?

[Anonymous No.5974472]

>>5974249
All three main versions (PSX, Saturn, PSP) have their own pros and cons.
They're all good, but if you're in doubt, just go with PSX.

[Anonymous No.5974484]

>>5974249
>>5974472
If you've played the ever loving fuck out of the PSX version like I have I'd suggest giving the Saturn version a try. Beetle Saturn can emulate it better than the real hardware on a decent computer and there's a lot of weird little fiddly differences to it outside of the big known changes, plus having the proper Richter sprite is neat. Weirdest thing I've noticed is that someone went and made sure the songs looped better/differently

[Anonymous No.5974507]

>>5970679
My god man, he's weak but he isn't that weak. I generally go Punch/Baselard only on Luck Mode until I hit the Alucart set as you can attack much faster and and aren't left as open to attacks. The jacked up luck makes random crits hit like a truck to balance out the otherwise low damage and also lets you do goofy shit like killing the spiked balls in the Royal Chapel really easily. You hold out the knife close to the ball and it will tick away 1 damage until a crit or two crit blows them up and will powerlevel the fuck out of you really fast early on, although that's kinda cheating

>>5973690
Oh god what have you done

[Anonymous No.5974552]

>>5969995
why are there two fairies and two demons, with basically the same name but some have their name in Japanese and with different sprites?

[Anonymous No.5975094]

>>5974249
Dreamcast version?

Maria is fightable (when you get the Holy Glasses from her) and playable in the Saturn and PSP versions, but her moveset is radically different between them.

[Anonymous No.5975728]

>>5963943
Incels are such boring people
But I guess if you weren't you'd be talking to real females and not mindlessly picking the cute pixels in every game when theres a badass floating sword you could be hanging out with

[Anonymous No.5975732]

The Ghost is the best at high levels but he's weak at low levels so its balanced

[Anonymous No.5975749]

>>5970023
Any RPG ever

[Anonymous No.5975751]

>>5970191
Also a basic Cleric spell in D&D. Clerics were essentially vampire/undead hunters until shitty MMOs turned them into healbots

[Anonymous No.5975754]

>>5970337
Im okay with both because theres so much dialogue in the game that the old dub didn't even bother with

[Anonymous No.5975758]

>>5973674
>>5970687
Have you played Bloodstained? Because its pretty much what you're wishing SotN was. You can get your first familiars very early on

[Anonymous No.5975761]

>>5974249
Ps4, its the psp version but superior for obvious reasons

[Anonymous No.5975767]

>>5975094
If you've played Rondo you will hate Saturn Maria

[Anonymous No.5975791]

>>5975767
I emulated the Saturn version to play as her. She's wild and crazy, but broken as fucking hell.

Personally, if I could redo SotN, I'd have both Marias playable, with the PSP version as her normal self and the teased-in-cut-material "Dark Maria" to use her Saturn abilities.

[Anonymous No.5975797]

>>5975791
Did Konami ever explain why she has a shadow-self in Rondo? It looks like a ninja with the purple outfit and the blades. Was she secretly edgy inside?

[Anonymous No.5975812]

i thought /vr/ hated discussing this game.

[Anonymous No.5975830]

>>5975797
From what I think I understand in the CV lore, Maria's power was given to her by Shaft, but Richter saved her before she could be brainwashed and she ended up using that power to defeat Shaft and Dracula instead. I figured that shadow attack was that bit of his evil essence still residing in her soul, which would fit with how the cut SotN ending sounds like Shaft is taking control over Maria through it.

In other words, unless Konami says something, I have no canon idea and so I'm just spitballing.

[Anonymous No.5975839]

>>5975812
Trolls are busy on /v/ Outer Worlds threads right now

[Anonymous No.5975852]

>>5975830
In the E-book that came with the new CV collection Konami stated that they're leaving Kid Draculas & Eric Lecardes connection to Alucard up to fan interpretation, so your theory is valid too I'd say. Personally I think Eric Lecarde is a descendant of Alucard & Maria. Perhaps they settled in Spain

[Anonymous No.5975857]

>>5975761
The new voice acting isn't as fun, short of Richter shouting "What have I DONE?!!"
Minor point is that some sounds will also play out of the DS4's speaker at the same time as your regular speakers, which depending on how you're set up, can sound REALLY jarring and weird, like crooked stereo. That can be turned off though.

Otherwise, yeah, it's still SoTN, still fun, just did a run on it.

[Anonymous No.5975864]

>>5975857
Yeah, it will noticeably run out your controllers battery charge faster than other games, especially Rondo because its making noise everytime you pick up a heart or anything

[Anonymous No.5975972]

>>5975864
Christ. I hadn't even touched Rondo yet.
The most jarring was when my brother was playing SOTN, and I was sitting next to him, so I had sounds coming from the front and from the left.

[Anonymous No.5976162]

I played this for the first time some months back and got about halfway through upside down castle before I just sorta weaned off playing. I should go back and play it some more.

I had no idea half the shit talked about in this thread was even in the game. I knew about familiars but had no idea any of them would talk to you or sing.

Wonder how much of this game I've actually missed out on. Anyone know a good compendium of all the 'little things' like what's talked about here>>5974124

Also how does leveling familiars work? Do they get exp from killed enemies or do you just have them out for a long time or what? I had fairy 90% of the time because she has nice legs.

[Anonymous No.5976184]

>>5976162
>I had no idea half the shit talked about in this thread was even in the game
Yeah, it's full of so much *stuff*, arguably too much for its own good, but it's fun that it's just there. The really fun part is that it technically allows a fair number of different approaches.

>Anyone know a good compendium
There's a wiki, as well as Mr. P's Castlevania Realm (I think that's still up).

>Do they get exp from killed enemies
Yeah, enemies dying on screen makes them get exp.

[Anonymous No.5976185]

>>5976162
To be fair, the fairy singing for you was dummied out of the original US release on the Playstation. If you play the PSP/PS4 port, you'll get singing fairy.

[Anonymous No.5976192]

>>5976185
There were two fairies in the original PS1 game, one green and one blue. Only the blue one sang, and she was removed from the US release due to being wholly redundant. Likewise, a second demon with a different head was also removed for the same reason.

That Holy Sword in the Coliseum that breaks the whole game (until you get the Crissaegrim, of course)? That was supposed to be where one of the removed familiars was. In a way, they made the US version even easier than it already was.

[Anonymous No.5976197]

>>5976192
I don't think the Holy Sword is that broken.

[Anonymous No.5976204]

>>5976197
It is when everything and its mother is weak to holy.

[Anonymous No.5976205]

>>5976204
Isn't the Holy Rod faster?

[Anonymous No.5976219]

>>5976205
There's literally only two enemies that can't be killed by swords (the normal and big slimes), and you can just use a Tetra Spirit or Soul Steal on them anyway. The sword is just outright better in all aspects.

[Anonymous No.5976225]

>>5976219
And by the time you start running into Holy-resistant enemies, you're already able to farm Schmoos to get the Cris.

[Anonymous No.5976326]

>>5976205
>>5976219
Holy sword also has an input to hit for extra Jesus

[Anonymous No.5977260]

>>5976184
>Mr. P's Castlevania Realm
I fucking love that site. That in-depth research on how the different areas of Dracula's castle changes between games is really eye opening

[Anonymous No.5977274]

Crissaegrim is the most boring way to play the game
Throwing swords are for patricians

[Anonymous No.5977324]

SSSSSSLICE!

[Anonymous No.5977442]

What's the best familiar in bloodstained?

[Anonymous No.5977463]

>>5977442
not retro

[Anonymous No.5977735]

[Anonymous No.5977794]

How do I defeat Granfaloon with Richter? This fucker is wrecking my shit

[Anonymous No.5977802]

>>5977794
10 print Hydro Storm
20 goto 10

[Anonymous No.5977803]

>>5977794
HYDRO STORM! Which incidentally is the answer to all of Richter's problems.

[Anonymous No.5977817]

>>5977794
>>5977802
>>5977803

[Anonymous No.5977864]

>>5964641
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.5978453]

>>5977864
Imagine Granfalloon's smell.

[Anonymous No.5979819]

>>5965745
Ghost gives you soul steal heals every hit it lands at high levels

[Anonymous No.5979843]

>>5964641
Bruh, she good one at that.

[Anonymous No.5979847]

>>5979819
That's somewhat OP actually, but how often does it actually attack? I only ever use the Fairy.

[Anonymous No.5979869]

Why do they help him, guys? Aren’t they all Dracula’s demons? The faeries know him by name, do they just remember him and want to help?

[Anonymous No.5980454]

>>5975797
I think that's just her Stand. It's unironically a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure reference.

[Anonymous No.5980456]

>>5979869
Not fully loyal to Dracula, or Alucard can win a very rare few over.

[Anonymous No.5980457]

>>5980454
This is the most useless kind of contribution to any discussion on any subject and it shows up in all of them.

[Anonymous No.5980550]

Did the classicvania collection on switch do well enough for a sequal?
SotN would probably sell really well on the switch

[Anonymous No.5980625]

>>5970156
If any of this is true, I wonder why Nihon-purists don't whine about?

[Anonymous No.5980631]

>>5979869
Didn't Alucard grow up inside Castlevania? They're probably just friends of his.

[Anonymous No.5980632]

>>5980625
Whine about what?

[Anonymous No.5981418]

fuck, i just remembered that i was autistic with this game on my PSP and i got the max percentage possible and i maxed out the blood blade and i maxed out every familiar and literally everything was maxed out.
Now my PSP is dead and if i want to play again i'll have to start over on the PS4, im fucking sad bros.

[Anonymous No.5981424]

>>5980550
There's no guarantee that SotN would be in a second collection or on Switch. So far it's been a Sony only thing (minus the SS port in 1998), and there is already a double pack rerelease with SotN on it.

[Anonymous No.5981434]

>>5981424
SotN was released on X-Box Arcade years ago

[Anonymous No.5981439]

>>5981434
My bad I forgot about that one, it was a very dry sendup mostly similar to the PSX game except with the ending song changed. Anyway I'm just saying that the Rondo/SotN double bill that Sony seems to have a hardon over (exclusive to PSP and PS4) would make SotN in another pack kind of superfluous.

[Anonymous No.5981867]

>>5980457
No, I mean it's an example of a reference before that became a "meme." The series was super popular at the time and Maria makes a being that looks similar to her, but isn't identical, in clothing that fits her form but doesn't look particularly evil or threatening. It punches the heck out of her foes then disappears. Also, the sprite was changed to be some 2D sprite in red, reminiscent of a Final Fantasy Red Mage, for the Dracula X Chronicles.

[Anonymous No.5982396]

>>5976326
Holy rod also has an input for extra Jesus as you put it, but if you pause the game at the right moment, you can see a little graphic of some saint or angel or something. Input is back-forward-attack.

[Anonymous No.5982401]

>>5980625
You can have him on the PSP version, which is why it's the preferred version of SOTN (also having Wakamoto as Dracula with english subtitles instead of meme dub)

[Anonymous No.5982402]

>>5979819
Still needs enemies to practically stand still, still does shit damage, and you can farm a weapon that gives Soul Steal charges off the big sword spirits in the Reverse Colisseum.

[Anonymous No.5982419]

>>5982401
>I WISH I WAS A BIRD