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What's the best controller for 2D games?
OEM, modern, repro, third party, whatever. Just looking for "the best".

>> No.5962447

>>5962408
Whatever some annoying tard on youtube tell you is best. Intelligent gainfully employed adults just use the right controller for whatever they're playing.

>> No.5962449

>>5962408
What's that bump thing on top off the stick?

>> No.5962465
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>> No.5962467

>>5962449
Tactile feedback to tell you which way is up without having to look at the controller.

>> No.5962469

>>5962467
Fair enough but wouldn't the weight and position of the wire tell you that?

>> No.5962470

>>5962469
Not the controller itself, the stick.

>> No.5962550

>>5962465
Are these actually any good?
I hear a lot of praise for 8bitdo, but also it's a Chinese company.

>> No.5962560

>>5962550
It's the only product they make that isn't trash.

>> No.5962572

>>5962550
The M30 is probably their best controller followed by the SN30pro+

I wouldn't bother with any of their other controllers besides these two.

>> No.5962576

>>5962550
I just bought one to replace my defective retrobit saturn controller. It's pretty good.

>> No.5963946

>>5962576
how similar is the dpad to it?

>> No.5963976

Do any controllers in a SNES-like form-factor have D-pad microswitches?
There's the neo geo pad yes, but they're expensive second hand and quite fragile (so probably broken if you're buying second hand), and probably hard to get working.

>> No.5964456

>>5963976
>quite fragile
Nah. I don't know why so many youtubers say this. Maybe there was a problem with the US ones or maybe they just need an excuse to make a video. All the master race Japanese ones I've seen were in good condition and work fine.

>> No.5964542

>>5964456
Nope, they're essentially a consumable resource. Every single click slowly warps these tiny metal pads on each microswitch, and eventually they give out completely. Unless you've got a brand new controller, you'll notice that the 'up' microswitch has a completely different feel to the left/right/down, because you click up comparatively less often in fighting games. Try it.

>> No.5964671

>>5964542
Those "tiny metal pads" are called domes and they're used in all kinds of microswitches and generally rated for 1 million cycles. Just like all the millions of other devices that use them that you're not complaining about being "flimsy". I leave it to you to reference the frame data and work out how many months of of doing nothing but pressing up in a fighting game 24 hours a day that is.

>> No.5964702

>>5962465
hands down the best controller I've ever used

>> No.5966125

>>5964702
How's the Dpad? I'm always a bit suspicious of ones that aren't "十"-shaped.

>> No.5966197

>>5966125
I like it. It's mushier than I prefer a d-pad to be, but it's fine.

It's a huge pain to play on, though, because the X and A buttons are hard to leave your thumb on the way you might want to. The top buttons are too small and the bottom ones too recessed.

>> No.5966353

>>5966125
>"十"-shaped
Never seen one shaped like that but it would obviously be shit. Have you ever tried a "+"-shaped one?

>> No.5966902

>>5966197
wat
Fits like a glove for my thumb. The chunk of my thumb goes on A and the tip of my thumb goes on X. I prefer that the buttons have different elevations because my thumb isn't a straight line.

>> No.5967010

>>5962408
>best controller
best stick i ever had: hori hayabusa hrap
best pad i ever had: M30 2.4G

>> No.5967825

>>5962465
when are we getting the saturn model?

>> No.5967843

for me, snes and saturn controllers are tied for best d pad and overall feel. Other than that, you can't go wrong with a nice arcade stick as well.

>> No.5968070

>>5962465
>uneven sized buttons
>good

If they were all shaped like the controller in OP it would be much better.

>> No.5968083

>>5968070
>my autism is
>good
no

>> No.5968114
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Is there a half-decent alternative to the Hori GameBoy Player pad for GameCube?
Those things are like $200 on eBay.

The only other thing available seems to be those raphnet SNES pad adapters, which apparently add a frame of lag.

>> No.5968175

>>5968083
Um sweetie, there is a reason why Sega's controller designs went out of style even before they stopped making consoles.

>> No.5968431

>>5968175
Um mentally ill person, you're mentally ill in so many ways.

>> No.5968436
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5968436

This thing. It's kind of big but the buttons are perfect. I've beaten countless games with this controller. It's perfect for all SNES games and PSX games that don't use the analog sticks.

>> No.5968463

Did that Saturn Twin Stick ever come out?

>> No.5969138

Are the wireless 8bitdo controllers good with actual snes consoles? Is there a noticeable lag? Is there any reason whatsoever for getting the dual stick version?

>> No.5969158

>>5967843
I'll second this, I have a USB saturn pad that's very nice, and I also like Nintendo's classic pad pro for other things. You can find qanba q1 sticks cheap online and I think they are quite good as a budget stick.

Finally, I will say that I like clearly superior technologies for their trackball, though I haven't found one with the weight to match Atari balls. I don't have any good tornado spinner to suggest, any tempest templars wanna help me out there?

>> No.5969180

>>5962465
I want this dpad on a 4 face button gamepad so bad

>> No.5969195

>>5962465
I've been using these on a MiSTer alongside original Megadrive/Genesis and Saturn pads and they are legitimately great. I also picked up the Retrobit controllers what a piece of shit those were.

>> No.5969318

>>5969158
USB pad has some problems, the shoulder buttons aren't cloned and are very bad, d-pad and buttons aren't using the same type of contacts so you can't switch them on a old and used OG SS pad.

>> No.5969530
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>>5968463
This?

>> No.5969568

>>5968463
>>5969530
I believe November 25th

>> No.5969774

>>5968114
OH NOES ONE FRAME!!111
is that one frame worth $160 to you? y/n

>> No.5969792

>>5969774
Not him but a whole frame is a fuckton. For me I consider 4 frames to be the maximum acceptable and I try to keep it under 3. Different people have different sensitivities and reaction times.

>> No.5969965

>>5969774
A whole frame is a lot, depending on the circumstances.
Like if he's running the GB Player on Speedrunner mode it's probably going to be noticeable and might interfere with glitch execution.

>> No.5970312

>>5969774
>OH NOES IM SUPERCASUAL!!111

>> No.5970317

>>5969792
Lol Jesus fucking Christ you people are such fucking liars it’s pathetic

>> No.5970349

>>5962408
Saturn pad. No contest.

>> No.5970351

>>5969774
You ad that frame onto the frame or 2 of lag the emulator has (hello higan), the frame or 2 from your OS/Vsync/Compositing and then the 4 frames from your shitty tv and you have serious problems. It's all about getting lag as low as possible in all areas.

>> No.5970381

>>5962408
An arcade stick

>> No.5970480
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5970480

>>5970317

>> No.5970680

>>5968436
Have this one, literally hurt my thumbs using it

>> No.5972094

>>5969530
Wait, what?
Is this an official Sega product?

>> No.5972195

>>5972094
Yeah, retrobit has a license with nuSEGA to produce controllers based on the original molds

>> No.5972219

>>5972195
Ah, so the internals aren't OEM.
That's a shame. Still seems interesting though. Thanks for confirming.

>> No.5972240

>>5972219
The dpad and face buttons are pretty close, and the shoulders arent, but the v2 model (the one with switch support) has better shoulders

>> No.5972309

>>5970317
I'm lying about keeping lag under 4 frames? That's like 60ms. Even you can feel 60ms anon, even if you're not a competitive player.

>> No.5972469
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>>5962408
I like joysticks. I think the best would be the Hori Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai.

>> No.5972480

I really want to get 8bitdo snes ones but l
have heard their dpad is weird and people do something with them to fix it.
is it also the case in sn30pro+

>> No.5972607

>>5972480
The SN30Pro+ has the same d-pad as the Switch pro controller, with the same misinput issues, and as such people fixed it with the tape mod.
But I think they may have revised it since release to be better, since I don't hear as many complaints anymore.
The M30's dpad is boss as fuck, though.

>> No.5972634

>>5972607
Man, the Switch Pro would be like the perfect controller if not for the crappy D-pad's diagonal input issue.
It's a damn shame Nintendo cheaped out.

>> No.5972648

I'm recently enjoying the 6 button mega drive usb controller that came with the megadrive mini. You can get it standalone for about 15€

>> No.5974048

>>5962408
Is there any way to get a Neo Geo pad working on PC?
(Is there even any point, if the microswitches crap out so quickly?)

>> No.5974061

>>5968114
They add 4ms of lag max. That's 1/4 of a frame

>> No.5974084

>>5974048
Yeah, I really want to know this. I was looking for one out of the blue a week or two ago on Amazon, didn't see anything.

>> No.5974460

>>5962408
Whatever feels best for you. I use DS4.

>> No.5974481

>>5974460
How do you find it?
I feel like the elevation on the D-pad combined with the springiness of the rubber domes beneath introduces a bit of a delay between pushing down and the button actuating. The D-pad's cardinal struts are also a bit far apart for my liking. Taken together it feels cumbersome to use.

It's a far-cry from the PS Vita's D-pad, which has a very small depression:actuation ratio plus a delightful mix of tactility and mush. I wish I could get a full-sized controller with a pad like the Vita's.