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Is there any reason NOT to emulate on a raspberry pi 4? It may not be the most powerful or cheapest method, but the form factor, software support, and progress in N64 emulation make it a great machine for 4 player couch multiplayer that you can take almost anywhere.

>> No.5957000

>>5956994
Don't forget no input lag with runahead with anything up to gba with zero downside. People are just mad they can't figure out how to use overlays or shaders to achieve crt on the big screen with no input lag even though a child could figure it out nowadays.

>> No.5957002

>>5956994
You don’t have to act all superior about it. But there’s nothing wrong with emulating in the Pi 4. It has some downsides but it’s a perfectly fine thing to play on. I used my GP2X for most of my retro gaming for YEARS until I got a 3DS and sufficient home brew came out for it

>> No.5957020

>>5956994
>It may not be the most powerful or the best value or the most authentic or the most flexible or the smallest but it IS the smallest with four full size USB ports
Okay

>> No.5957027

>>5956994
>4 player couch multiplayer that you can take almost anywhere.
You can also take a SFF PC almost anywhere except it will have performance which will take a colossal steaming elephant shit on the rpi's performance.

>> No.5957029

>>5956994
ok seething broken collegefag

stay mad while i play on my original hardware and have the authentic experience you will never have

>> No.5957038

>>5956994
Many

>> No.5957042

>>5957027
You're comparing a two second hookup that is cell phone size to a small pc whch is still a pain to unhook, pack lug to wherever, hook back up and so on. Pi, put in in your pocket, insert hdmi, done. Anything up ps1/gba is perfect on even the pi3 b+ model I had. Everyone seems to forget the convenience factor. Says a lot about the age group here.

>> No.5957047

>>5957020
>Doesn't mention any better alternatives
Cope harder

>> No.5957048

>>5957000
>anything up to gba
wow all the way to gba? what a bargain

>> No.5957059

>>5957047
Literally everything but to keep it simple I'll just say PC or Android.

inb4 Android input lag that was corrected as of 2.3 Gingerbread

>> No.5957061

>>5957027
Drop SFF PC = dead
Drop raspberry pi = bend over and pick it up

>> No.5957064

>>5957048
For >$100? It really is. Name something under $100 that can play up to ps1/gba at full speed with no drawback. Bonus that there's no hoops to jump through. It just works.

>> No.5957068

>>5957064
That's a greater than symbol but you can buy i7 Optiplexes all day on eBay for under $100

>> No.5957070

The majority of pi owners are funny.
>Dude, check out this cool thing I can do with my raspberry pi!
>You know you can do that with your cell phone/laptop too right?
>y-y-you can't connect 4 controllers to a cell phone
>Bluetooth
>s-s-small screen
>stream to TV
>SHUT UP YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!
Pi and other SBC's like it are fucking great for people looking to dick around or who need a very small computer capable of connectivity. College student projects to summarize. But I still can't understand why so many people are running out to buy them to use for purposes that are already covered by hardware they already own.

>> No.5957071
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>>5957064
>up to ps1
lol pcsxrearmed is trash

>> No.5957072

>>5957071
*pcsxr which includes rearmed

>> No.5957076

>>5957059
Yeah of course a pc is going to be better, but then you lose the advantages of the tiny form factor. As for Android, you need to spend several hundred pounds/dollars/whatever for a capable phone if you do not already own one.

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>>5957076
how small do you need it?

>> No.5957083

>>5957071
Looks fine without the cherrypicking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGu9Tkll7kw

Pi3 by the way.

>> No.5957085

>>5957076
>As for Android, you need to spend several hundred pounds/dollars/whatever for a capable phone
Used to emulate PS1 using a $40 used Sony Ericsson PSP phone, now I use a $80 HTC Desire 530 that blows it out of the water. You don't need a iPhone capable of 4K video to emulate retro games.

>> No.5957089

>>5957083
>cherrypicking
the speed fluctuates constantly during a race. This is on an 8700k. It's a shit emulator

>> No.5957093

>>5956994
I seriously hope you're playing on a PC monitor and not a TV. Current TVs add more latency than everything else combined.

>> No.5957094

>>5956994
>progress in N64 emulation
Did it progress that much?

>> No.5957096

>>5957093
>PC monitor
not this meme again

>> No.5957102

>>5957094
yes it progressed from being total shit to mostly total shit. So basically what n64 emulation currently is.

>> No.5957106

>>5957089
>There's something wrong with my setup so t sucks.

typical.

>> No.5957108

>>5957106
did you see the mednafen example right next to it?

>> No.5957115

>>5957096
They're much faster. You detect the difference with your phone's rolling shutter.

>> No.5957119

>>5957094
Yes, if you overclock it correctly it can get good performance even at 2x resolution

https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/cknyj5/raspberry_pi_4_n64_4player_multiplayer_games_at/

>Inb4 leddit circlejerk idiot nolifes yadda yadda adda

Yes I know Reddit is a circlejerk shithole but the guy got results. He only has himself to play with so the 4 players tests aren't realistic, but 60 FPS on Goldeneye at 2x resolution is impressive for a machine the size of a credit card

>> No.5957120

>>5957119
Not to mention that retropie hasn't even been released yet, so performance for the pi can only and will only improve

>> No.5957125

>>5957108
Exactly my point, you need a side-by-side comparison to tell.

>> No.5957129

>>5957125
it's a racing game. It is not subtle at all.

>> No.5957130

>>5957119
I was just playing PCSX2 at 2x resolution on my i7/8gb ThinkPad ultrabook I snagged for under $100 so...

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>>5956994
MEMEberry420lol
No thank you. I'll stick to my 15-yearold XP PC if I want better performance.

>> No.5957141

>>5957129
Prove it with a SINGLE example.

>> No.5957157

>>5957139
How do you plan on taking that anywhere without a luggage bag? My whole point is not that is has better performance than anything else, it's that it's extremely convenient to take anywhere. You can literally put it in your jacket pocket.

>> No.5957165

>>5957157
That's what the Nintendo Wii is for.

>> No.5957170

Or a modded mini system for le small form factor.

>> No.5957174

>>5957170
Or a 5 year old flagship android phone

>> No.5957176

>>5957174
lel also true

>> No.5957183

>>5957157
yes you never know when you might want to play some mario kart in the middle of nowhere with an outlet and nice tv

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>>5957183
It could happen.

>> No.5957208

>>5957183
Not my point. If I say wanted to take it to a friend house I don't have to carry around a massive bag. And once I got it to said friends house theres no guarantee there would be any space to put it anywhere. The raspberry pi is just more convenient

>> No.5957215

>>5957029
Here's that (You) you wanted, faggot

>> No.5957307

>>5957042
You're "that guy", huh?

>> No.5957314

>>5956994
Pi is fun if you want to make a tiny device for the fun of it.
A refurbished x86 style computer can potentially emulate more machines, such as WiiU.

>> No.5957329

>>5957187
Gonna need an hdmi-to-fm modulator.

>> No.5957342
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>>5957076
There’s a nice android TV box on AliExpress that’s more than capable of hi res N64 and does 4K video and Plex for $19. Even comes with a remote. All you need to play is a controller. Everything else is included unlike a pi.

>> No.5957351

>>5957342
Ok if you're being serious then that is a much better deal than the pi. Do you have a link?

>> No.5957354

>>5957351
Just lookup android tv box on AliExpress. There’s tons of them, they have multiple USB ports, come with power supplies and are way cheaper than even just the raspi. The only downside is that you will almost guaranteed never get an android system update on this thing. But that’s not really a huge deal, retroarch is compiled for all versions of android back to Kit Kat. Same with Mupen. Then you get the bonus of having an android box on your TV with Hulu, Netflix and all that. A lot of these even have an analogue output too.

>> No.5957371

>>5957351
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/33018443086.html?pid=808_0000_0231&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.33018443086&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=5613amp-mFpJwuDiJFO4RY55nZNoWg1571457818289&gclid=null

Is the box anon is referencing

>> No.5957389

>>5957342
>>5957371
That has an a53 cpu, Pi has a72. Has anyone tried that Chinese one? You never know until you try with these types of things. Might look good on paper, but might not be so great once you actually try it.

>> No.5957409

>>5957389
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8OeQlUpDk

The RK3328 or 3318 is way better than the Pi. It’s honestly pretty pathetic

>> No.5957419

>>5957409
Turok was still fucked up. Pass.

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>>5956994
Doesn't support Retrotink Ultimate hat for RGB output and Chi has no plans to fix this.

>> No.5957442

>>5957419
You do realize that you can configure emulators right? And that with N64 in particular you have to have different plugins for different games?

>> No.5957450

>>5957409
Of all things, you post slide show n64 emulation. Why?

>> No.5957462

>>5957450
It runs N64 full speed. That’s kind of the most intense thing you could possibly expect to run on a $19 device. If you want GC and DC you can spend around $50 and get something really good. That video was the one that had that specific device in it though. Like just do some fucking research man

>> No.5957482

>>5957442
Yeah that those reasons you gave aren't disingenuous at all. Truth be told. messing with the settings for N64 emulation is always fruitful, and having to adjust plugins for different games is totally not gay.

>> No.5957485

Whats a cheaper method actually? I know the pi isn't 35 bucks because you gotta get the case and power supply but that still leaves it at like 60 dollars which is still cheaper than those trash computers faggots on here are always shilling, or they get a once in a lifetime deal and think thats the fucking going rate for everything. I am kind of indifferent towards the pi, but damn the antipi used computer faggots on this board are the fucking worst. They dont understand not everyone wants to stick a fucking ugly full desktop PC under their TV because they dont know what life is like outside of mommies basement

>> No.5957487

>>5957432
rgb is a fucking meme

>> No.5957489

>>5957342
that thing is probably a chinese piece of shit with flashed firmware to lie about the hardware on board, im sure you probably love to shill the 2TB SD card for $30 to go with it.

>> No.5957495

>>5957487
It also does component and s-video if you're a dork.

>> No.5957497

>>5957485
See
>>5957070

The reason we rag on the pro-pi crowd is because they've let themselves get memed into buying a SBC to emulate with since all the hipsters are talking about it, without realizing they could do the exact same shit with hardware they already have, including the cheap ass cellphone in their pocket that they already carry with them everywhere. They didn't even get a top of the line SBC, they got the overpriced and underpowered SBC compared to other SBC's on the market. Instead of recognizing they got memed into buying overpriced and underpowered hardware, they get defensive as fuck. Which makes it even more fun to poke them.

Want something small and portable that can emulate? Cheap ass cellphone. Want a decent dedicated emulation station? Cheap ass refurbished laptop. You can whine about "used computer faggots" all you want, but those are the facts. Hell, the cheap ass cellphone will have hardware similar to what you get from a pi anyways.

>> No.5957504

>>5957497
pi has dope cases that make it look nice, and also has wired controllers which is a plus for me, I dont much care for bluetooth. but yah aesthtics probably the biggest draw for me, they just look the best I guess

>> No.5957505

>>5957489
The RK3318 is the cheapest decent chipset out there. It’s just what’s in these cheap devices. There’s no reason to really lie on the spec sheet man. On top of that if you’ve ever shopped on Ali express you’d know no seller would risk selling fake goods or mis labeling specs on there. They’re actually pretty strict regarding that

>> No.5957514

>>5957505
yah I just went to check actually and it seems to be all the fake SD cards are no longer on there. They used to have a reputation for being as bad as wish

>> No.5957523

>>5957342
How's the community support for those when you need to know how to do something custom or fix a problem?

>> No.5957547

>>5957523
This device isn’t for that. Install retroarch, Netflix, Hulu. A few android games. Minecraft and have fun. You don’t do custom things on here man and it’s unlikely you’ll run into problems. If it works it’ll work. If it’s defective email the seller and theyll send you another. There isn’t a lot of tinkering with an android box

>> No.5957683

>>5957141
Isn't that exactly what he just did?

>> No.5957685

>>5957020
So what would be a better alternative?

>> No.5957760

>>5956994
Yes there is a reason. It is not powerful enough for the price. It's not powerful enough for good, accurate emulation, period. Get a shield or any other powerful Android streaming box.
When the new shield hits at the end of the October there is a good chance the old one will get discounted.

>> No.5957772

>>5957760
its more powerful than the shield tho

>> No.5957785

>>5956994
How good/fast are these things to reproduce video for crt tv's? Does the video player has the option of creating a video playlist/random. I need to know.

This questions goes to raspberry 4 and 3.

>> No.5957835

Most people buying pis already own a shit ton of hardware already you fucking spergs

>> No.5957840

>>5957772
No, it is not. Do you want people to be misinformed? I guess that is a stupid question, of course you do.

>> No.5957851

>>5957840
shield has a way older CPU its got a a15 and the pi4 has the a72 and it's got twice the ram the shield does. I'm not even trying to shill the pi you're just straight up wrong tho and you're the one misinforming people nvidia shill

>> No.5957854

>>5957851
Holy cow!
Okay, this anon may be beyond help, but for everyone else out there, compare for yourselves:
Nvidia Shield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgno-Ach1w
Pi 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Qiuq0oq3k
And this of course is just one source. There are more comparisons out there.

>> No.5957872

>>5957000
runahead is unreliable. Many games glitch out or teleport things out of place. Some of them don't register inputs at the right time.

>> No.5957946

>>5957772
The Pi is so much worse man... it’s not made for this like the shield is. The CPU may technically be a newer mode but it is not faster. And the GPU is very lacking

>> No.5958114 [DELETED] 

>>5957854
>Holy cow! A 5 year old CPU is slower than the latest one!!!1!!!1
ZOOM!

>> No.5958130

I actually disagree that it's "not the most powerful or cheapest method" because there is a lot of market competition to make it as cheap as possible. The "most powerful" always has to take into account price, someone like NASA will always have the "most powerful" equipment but it's not made for emulation. Also the entire idea of "power" in computing isn't quantifiable. Processing speed is not the most important thing in emulation anymore. Accurate emulation and attention to latencies is the most important thing in emulation. Retropie is a dedicated device that's designed for emulation, just like how consoles aren't as "powerful" as good PCs, but they're dedicated.

>> No.5958138

>>5958130
(continued)
Before some autist tard trips over himself rushing in to say the raspberry pi was not designed for emulation you know what I mean - emulator writers have focused on this machine, there isn't the huge variety of equipment with all kinds of different results. Also it's not a trivial thing at all to have the right PC setup for emulation, you can't just set things up any old way or you won't get in any way an accurate performance.

>> No.5958471

>>5957854
>Holy cow! a 5 year old CPU is slower than the latest one!
kek

>> No.5958523

>>5958130
>>5958138
... are Raspberry Pis made for socialists? Because this is some irrational ass leftist smelling mental gymnastics right here.

>> No.5958835

>actually good threads
>1 reply per day
>raspi shit-bait #253.643
>80 replies

>> No.5958929

Doom

>Difficulty:
Fast monster>Nightmare
>Best chapters:
1>2>4>3
>Best stage:
e2m2

>> No.5958968

>>5958471
The harder you try to ignore the truth, the more obvious your failure.

>> No.5958987

>>5958523
Nope. Processing power is no longer a bottleneck at least for anything under fifth gen. The Wii with 240p output often has objectively better emulation than your IBM PC with all its lags.

>> No.5959010

>>5958987
>Nope. Processing power is no longer a bottleneck at least for anything under fifth gen.
That is good news that I didn't think would happen.

>> No.5959029

>>5957872
I use 2 frames and literally never seen a single glitch.

>> No.5959076

>>5958987
>The Wii with 240p output often has objectively better emulation than your IBM PC with all its lags.
Imagine being this retarded

>> No.5959092

>>5959076
>Imagine being this retarded
How are they wrong?

>> No.5959109

>>5959092
The case he's most likely making since he mentioned "lags" has been crushed by runahead. I enjoy the Wii as an emulation machine for sure. It's small with simple native component output and hard GameCube controller ports for which there are many good cheap retro controller converters but when you sit it next to real hardware its inaccurate cycles are quickly noticeable. To suggest it's "often better than my pc", an exponentially more powerful platform is fucking laughable. Why would you for half a split fucking second believe that to be the case?

>> No.5959115

>>5959109
>To suggest it's "often better than my pc", an exponentially more powerful platform is fucking laughable. Why would you for half a split fucking second believe that to be the case?
Ah I see. It's not that I thought that was so, it's that I think the Wii "fakes" emulation of many platforms nicely.

>> No.5959121

>>5959115
The Wii is great. In fact, it's the fact that I have like five Wiis that I set up back in the early days of /vr/ is part of why I never even touched Raspberry Pi - the other part being that I have at least a dozen Android phones and phones have integrated screens.

>> No.5959152

>>5959121
>The Wii is great
Sure is. Heck, you could dummy up an entire arcade out of Wiis and phones at this point.

>> No.5959360

>>5959109
>crushed by runahead
zoom zoom kek

>> No.5959393

>>5959360
>Emulates using Nesticle on a P2 running Windows 95 because he thinks it makes him seem like a grown up

>> No.5959502

>>5959393
>Emulates using Nesticle on a P2 running Windows 95
That's about the max for that setup.

>> No.5959849

>>5959393
>Shitposts and maybe projects because who knows what's going on in his little zoomer brain

>> No.5959881

>>5959849
Do you actually have anything on topic to discuss? Like, ever? I make very clear posts and even when I'm shitting Anons that insist on being obtuse I think my meaning is quite obvious. What is YOUR meaning? Are you suggesting that runahead doesn't dramatically improve the performance of PC emulators?

>> No.5959884

my experience with the Pis has been that they always start out sluggish at best and then every single update to every one of its OSes just keeps piling on the bloat until it's completely unusable. Go on, stick a current raspbian or retroarch card in a Pi 2, see how long it takes to boot. See IF it boots. It might not, I haven't checked in a while. PI 1 sure as shit don't. And your 4'll get there too sooner or later.

>> No.5960086

>>5959881
Did you even read the assmad zoomer rant I replied to? Don't you read your own shitposts? Run ahead is a gimmick to make poorfag emubabies like you feel less bad about yourselves. The only thing it improves is your delusions of not being a loser.

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Delicious

>> No.5960360

>>5960356
Fuck you, Anon! Now I want one.

>> No.5960368

>>5957070
As someone who has used bluetooth and phone streaming for exactly that purpose, fuck that shit. It's always a pain in the ass, and then I can't use my phone.
A living room pi just makes it easy and it cost me like $50 total.

>> No.5960371

>>5957497
>Cheap ass refurbished laptop
Why would you spend the same amount as a pi on a crusty old laptop that will look ghetto as fuck in an entertainment center?

>> No.5960420

>>5959884
I did a fresh install of retropie on my pi 2b last week and it works fine. It takes about to minute to boot up and after that it's completely smooth.

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5960426

>raspberry plebs

Fucking gross. Don't post on my board you bottom-feeders

>> No.5960469

>>5960086
I have real functional examples of every single major retro console and most minor ones as well as a hand dozen arcade cabs. This thread however is about emulation. Runahead vs FPGA is literally the only debatable argument to have on the highest quality emulation method but this thread isn't even REALLY about that. It's about the most convenient pocketable emulation method which I STILL will argue is a high end secondhand Android phone over a Raspberry Pi. I have No idea what YOUR argument even is since you're too much of a pussy to even state an opinion because you know you'll just get shot down so you try to make yourself feel better by saying "hurhur [thing] is something [buzzword] says".

Do yourself a huge favor and put that effort into actually fucking learning what you're talking about because what you're doing will NEVER actually give you real confidence or even a real identity.

>>5959884
Because that's exactly what "community development" does. Even well meaning devs just pile on disparate code that is literally impossible to optimize. Just like why socialism doesn't work. Capitalized, competitive development with a certain amount of laissez-faire to borrow from one another is how you get the best code.

>>5960371
Because it's exponentially more powerful?

>> No.5960854

>>5960469
Even assuming your claim is correct (which it is not, far from it, it costs close to $100 to get a refurb laptop with a CPU that is less powerful and has fewer cores than that of the rasp pi 4), that would only matter for games that don't belong on this board to begin with.
The raspberry pi also has the benefit of not making your living room look like that of a crackhead.
The irrational hatred of pis is bizarre and extremely misinformed, even if some of the pi fans are annoying.

>> No.5960867

>>5959884
Other than your anecdote being the polar opposite of my own, why would you update if you don't need to? Are you one of those people that leave windows automatic updates on? Or the kind that flashes their bios because there's one with a bigger number?

>> No.5960875

>>5960426
>elitism over children's toys

>> No.5960893

>>5960854
>it costs close to $100 to get a refurb laptop with a CPU that is less powerful and has fewer cores than that of the rasp pi 4
I just bought an i7 s230u ThinkPad Twist ultrabook with 8gb of ram for less than $100.
>that would only matter for games that don't belong on this board to begin with
In the real world people do not compartmentalize their interests the way 4chan does but even if they did, RetroPi is undeniably slower and less accurate than PC emulation
>The raspberry pi also has the benefit of not making your living room look like that of a crackhead
I really don't understand this. A 3/4 inch thick laptop can be tucked into any entertainment center or even mounted flat behind a TV. You do realize laptops don't need to be open to be used, right? Although the fact that they CAN be opened in places without a TV is another plus - and, you know they come with batteries and integrated keyboards etc

The irrational love of Raspberry Pis is what's bizarre and extremely misinformed. There's literally no good reason to use a Raspberry Pi as a retro emulation machine.

>They're supported by a community
The best emulation authors will always focus on the most powerful platforms
>They're cheap
You can get much more for the money when you buy used
>They're energy efficient
So is a used Android and you're eliminating e-waste by reusing discarded tech rather than encouraging it by buying brand new junk
>They're easy to set up
Read a fucking book, Idiot.
>You can get cute little kits to pop together like Legos
Grow the fuck up
Read a fucking book

>> No.5960917

>>5960893
Well, go ahead and share your cource, because that's a killer deal that doesn't represent the $300 they seem to be going for refurb. Otherwise, I bought my pi for 2 cents.
This is the retro board, we are talking about retro emulation.
You still need to be able to turn the laptop on, you're going to look like a crackhead with a laptop hooked up to your TV, period.

I thought you were talking about more than retro emulation, where a laptop could have an edge?

Who are you quoting?

>> No.5960997

>>5960917
This cite called ebay

>> No.5961013

>>5960371
>I NEED to display my hardware to impress people
Got a tower sitting behind my entertainment center. Only part of it people see is the USB extension cables to plug flash drives and controllers into. Stop trying to show off to people and focus on playing games.

>> No.5961019

>>5961013
You still need to be able to turn it on! You'll look like a crackhead!

LOL as if I ever turn the computer in my entertainment center OFF. People using anything other than a PC as their primary media device are missing out on a lot - /vr/, /v/, /tv/, /co/ or otherwise

>> No.5961030

>>5960917
>you're going to look like a crackhead with a laptop hooked up to your TV, period.
>Plugging in this hobbyist SBC will make me look cool
>Plugging in a common laptop will make me look like a crackhead
Nigger, this isn't 2008, TV's have HDMI ports and laptops have HDMI out ports. Just because your local tech-illiterate mong doesn't know about it doesn't mean people aren't doing it. Even college professors are hooking their laptops up to big screen TV's because it's sharper than a projector.

>> No.5961043

>>5961030
>hooking their laptops up to big screen TV's because it's sharper than a projector
Care to explain that one?

>> No.5961052

>>5961043
Work tech support at a small college. They are trying to show the entire class text through projectors, and even with good projectors it's hard to get a very sharp image. Most have switched over to using large LED flatscreens since it's easier for the students to read the small text the professors enjoy using. Administration loves the idea, since the TV's don't have expensive bulbs that need replacing about once a month.

>> No.5961056

>>5960893
Lol Raspberry Pis are in stores (you don't have to buy a dirty used one) and cost $25. You can't beat that, deal with it. The irrational anger it brings from you makes them an even greater joy to use.

>> No.5961060

>>5961052
>Most have switched over to using large LED flatscreens since it's easier for the students to read the small text the professors enjoy using. Administration loves the idea, since the TV's don't have expensive bulbs that need replacing about once a month.
Ah thank you for informing. I like it when people see the good in letting some old tech fall by the wayside for the best reasons, to better serve man and it even saves money. Good deal.

>> No.5961067

>>5961030
My dlp projection TV from 2005 has an HDMI input. Perhaps try not being such a worthless fuddy duddy.

>> No.5961068

>>5961056
I suppose that if you absolutely can't stand the idea that someone touched something before you and you don't care that buying cheap disposable junk like that exacerbates the e-waste issue and pushes the human rights crisis in nations that mine semiconductors AND you're too impatient to wait for a much more powerful Android SBC ships from China for the same price. I just like to inform more rational, smarter people than you.

>> No.5961071

Does runahead work well with GBA and PS1 and does Pi 4 support 240p composite output?

>> No.5961073

>>5961067
So you are admitting that plugging a HDMI capable device into a TV isn't as bizarre as you previously claimed?

>> No.5961075

>>5961019
A used/refurb laptop isn't going to last powered on for a week without a crash. Quit pretending you know dick about being human and just enjoy your incel lifestyle.

>> No.5961080

>>5961073
Where did I claim otherwise? Just because you keep around piles of obsolete hardware doesn't mean any well adjusted human being does.

>> No.5961084

>>5961075
>A used/refurb laptop isn't going to last powered on for a week without a crash.
I'm laughing while posting from the cheap refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad that has been on without a reset for three weeks. Has worked flawlessly for two years now.

>> No.5961090

>>5961084
Set your /g/ inspired autism aside for a second and tell the truth.
If you'd have said to make a small form factor PC, I'd have respected that. But you're spewing some ghetto retardation shit.

>> No.5961091

>>5961080
Read the post I replied to dumbass.
>You'll look like a crackhead with a laptop plugged into the TV
>This isn't 2008
>I HAD A TV WITH HDMI IN 2005!
>So it's not abnormal then?
>I NEVER SAID THAT!!!
And now you play the "I'm making the same points as that poster, but I'm totally another poster!" card?

>> No.5961092

>>5961091
You've devolved into shizoid posting. Please try again without the psychotic break.

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>>5961090
>anon had bad experience buying "refurbished" hardware from some guy on ebay
>therefor all refurbished hardware is just waiting to break!
>screams autism because he has no actual argument
Sad.

>> No.5961105

>>5961096
I have a 6600k OC to 4.5 at stock volatge I got with the (admittedly basic) mobo for $150 three years back.
Buying used or returb is some crackhead shit, in my experience. Don't expect it to run 24/7/356, no matter how clean the install and precise the adjustments.

>> No.5961106

>>5961075
Jesus fucking Christ

>>5961090
In what way do you think a laptop is NOT a small form factor PC?

>> No.5961109

>>5961106
The same reason Nintendo tried to make the NES look like a VCR. So you don't look like a massive spreg virgin when people see your living room. Of course people will look near the TV.

>> No.5961110

>>5961109
I think you have a real self image problem, Anon.

>> No.5961112

>>5961105
Ehh, I’ve bought lots of used/broken/office PCs with no issues. You have to buy from a reputable seller. Server monkey has fucking great used stuff. eBay is dodgy. But there’s lots of great sites that sell exclusively used items

>> No.5961113

>>5961110
Being a sperg may make me face blind, but thank God I'm not you.
You probably look like shit on a shingle.

>> No.5961114

>>5961109
Not them, but the problem with laptops is that they suck ass, not that people will see one connected to your TV.

>> No.5961116

>>5961105
Which is why you don't buy "refurb" from some random crackhead on craigslist. You buy from professional repair companies that buy shit by the lot and repair it. Does it come with a warranty? No? Then it's literally some halfassed crackhead repair job. My previous laptop was a refurbished old P4 running XP, which I used for years. Only part of it that didn't last was the battery.

Buying from crackheads is crackhead shit, yes. I wouldn't trust something I bought out of the back of some guy's van either.

>> No.5961256

>>5961116
I bought my PS4 for $75 from a crackhead at a GameStop. I’ve had a ton of crackhead specials man, you just gotta know how to deal with them. Also if you offer a reasonable amount and ask them to get something they WILL get it.

>> No.5961371

How is MAME on these things? Doesn't RetroArch use a really old version? Looks alright for consoles and other systems, otherwise

>> No.5961383

When is this shit shipping to South America?

>> No.5961392

>>5961068
Ya I usually try to buy new stuff that I know will just work but good luck with hunting down used laptops or whatever you’re doing.

>> No.5961445

>>5957342

you sure the $19 box is capable of 4k and it isn't the higher priced h96 pro plus or whatever they are called? The reviews I have seen of the 19 dollar box say it cant do youtube or Netflix or hulu higher than 480p

>> No.5961456

>>5961116
>>5961105
Literally any piece of electronics you buy on eBay that's listed as "used" is guaranteed to be "fully functional" and can be disputed within 14 days. If you can't ascertain that there's something wrong with your computer in 14 days then that's your own fault.

>> No.5961481

>>5961456
No one wants to do that. Are you really going to find a used computer that works as well as a pi for $25? You’ll have to wait for it to be shipped and pay for that too. Not to mention the timesink you’ll spend refurbishing it. Is there software specifically optimized for “random ebay laptop?” How easy will it be for you to transfer everything from “random laptop 1” to “random laptop 2” compared to swapping the SD card between two raspberry pis? Your whole shit is just retarded.

>> No.5961485

>>5961371
It comes with around a dozen available versions. You should be able to get most 2d things to work.

>> No.5961506

>>5961481
>Can't format and install an operating system on a computer
>Calls people who don't consider it an issue retarded

>> No.5961541

>>5961506
I don't think he said anything about that.
But it is literally easier to do that on a laptop than to do the same on a pi. So maybe not the best hill to die on. Not sure why you would make that a point of pride regardless.

>> No.5961560

>>5960469
how does runahead work?

>> No.5961568

>>5961371
As per the MAMEdevs themselves:
"Any core 2 duo or better will give better performance for MAME than even overclocked pi's. All versions of MAME on ARM systems are using very outdated codebases missing tons of improvements that have been added over the years. The most recent stable version of MAME on that platform uses a romset and code that is 9 years out of date, and the other major version of MAME is a hackjob based off of 0.78(16 years out of date) trying to desperately add newer games while avoiding the emulation improvements that made those games playable since that would overwhelm the pi."
It's actually longer than that, but I don't feel like hunting down the post they made.

>>5961456
Computer tech here. Cheap components can easily last a month then burn out or break down. You can easily wind up outside that 14 day window without a working product in the end. Don't buy from people, buy from professional companies that do this sort of work. As I said earlier, you know they are trustworthy when a warranty comes with the machine.

>> No.5961592

>>5961568
Anyone looking for an emu PC just needs to buy an office used Dell i5/3. But you’re right about the Pi. It’s very weak and is not meant for emulation. I think people forget how many hacks are used in Retropie to get LR working properly. The cores are not the normal cores and only run full speed after tons of work from the LR and retropie team. The fact is that the Pi is not meant for emulation and there is better cheaper things out there for that purpose. Android Tv boxes and older PCs fit the bill very well. It’s kind of absurd people still act this way

>> No.5961685

>>5961541
He's saying that a big benefit of a $25 Raspberry Pi (2?) is that it's the same as every other Raspberry Pi 2 and a precompiled image for one can be used on another one. There are piles of identical $25 Optiplexes on eBay that could have the same drive image cloned across them but a person would need to configure the first one themselves which is obviously too hard for him. As I understand it there's some Unix retro gaming installation (Lakka?) that does something like that but I've never looked at it very closely

>>5961560
Basically, powerful computers especially ones with lots of cores run multiple instances of the emulator simultaneously, one for every possible input you might make in a certain number of frames ahead of where you're actually playing. That way when it receives your input it doesn't have to process it then, it's already processed it. All it has to do is make the instance it ran that input ahead the active one. It shaves a huge amount of lag off of everything and can actually deliver better input response than real hardware. It's a lot simpler with the NES where there are only four directions and two buttons than it is with the SNES that has eight buttons and much much more compared with systems that have 3 analog control, although those kind of systems were already starting to work more like computers and have a lot more lag on real hardware

>>5961568
I'm not talking about "cheap components" I'm talking about quality used components. If 14 days isn't enough for you to feel secure invest in a Fairtrade warranty that'll still cost way less than the premium that "professional refurbishers" are going to charge - but really if you do your homework and buy quality brands they're not going to surprise you and fail out of nowhere in a month

>> No.5961698

>>5961685
>just compile images for this proprietary no-longer-in-production dell computer bro, so much smarter

>> No.5961716

>>5960469
>I have real functional examples
lol. What is that even supposed to mean? Even if you had actual system instead of "examples" what is that supposed to prove? That you're one of those bad ass youtube kids who poses in their bed with their dads gun? Fucking kek.
>I have No idea what YOUR argument even is
And yet you choose to argue against it. Yeah, that's totally normal and totally not a sign of mental illness at all.
>Do yourself a huge favor and look at all this projecting
I figured it was something like that. What a loser.

>> No.5961721

>>5961698
As I said, there are dozens and dozens of them sitting on eBay at comparable price to Raspberry Pi only twenty times as powerful.

>>5961716
ok.

>> No.5961735

>>5961592
>Android Tv boxes and older PCs fit the bill very well
Care for a link to such a device with a similar form factor and price to the pi?

>> No.5961828

>>5961685
Run ahead doesnt work this way.

You are watching f0 on your screen because that is the latest info you got

The emulator is actually working on frame 6 already because of lag.

If you make an input it backs up to f1 or f0, makes that input and. Ow your in an altered game
It tries to display this new frame asap.d then displays that next. It will run ahead to f6 to catch up with the next frames it needs to display to keep it smooth


There too many possible inputs to do it as you described. Theres like 13 factorial combinations per frame say for an snes then that gets multiplied by every frame so were talking about like 37 billion instances of snes emulation to cover the inputs of a single player over 6 frames.

That's clearly nor how it's done

>> No.5961886

>>5961828
I suppose that's why it starts getting sketchy when you crank it up that high but i7s can run hundreds of billions of instructions per second

>> No.5961898

>>5961735
If you lookup android TV box on AliExpress there’s literally dozens of models. A good Amlogic and Mali 450 can be had complete for around 30. That’s with psu, case, remote and HDMI+AV cables... a raspi costs substantially more than that.

>> No.5961908

>>5961721
Thanks for pointing out something that's common knowledge. Your Dell computer doesn't have entire emulators written specifically for its hardware. It's not as portable. Also I value my time, and hardware reliability. It appears you have added nothing to the discussion that everyone didn't already know.

>> No.5961918

>>5961908
>written specifically for hardware
You mean has tons of speed hacks applied? Because that’s how it is on raspberry pi. That’s Ok but it is true. The raspberry pi is not made for emulation. It’s just a thing it does. Fuck it doesn’t even advertise it in any way

>> No.5961921

>>5961908
>PC doesn't have entire emulators written specifically for it
Wow

>> No.5961923

>>5961921
woW

>> No.5961941

>>5961721
The pi is a set piece of hardware with a certain CPU and RAM, etc. Every one is the same. They're efficient and they perform perfectly for 95% of retro gaming.
It's like someone asked which console to get and you showed up to say "Build a PC! It's more power for the money!" Well of course, but that's disregarding why the person wanted a console in the first place. But of course someone trying to namefag and build an identity on this board would be too socially inept and financially poor to realize why something is cool, being able to only autistically focus on technical specifications and "what-if" situations.
The mental gymnastics to recommend hunting down used PC hardware on eBay and hoping it works and has performance better than a pi, over just getting a simple tiny almost perfect setup you can rely on for even cheaper, yikes.

>> No.5961942

>>5956994
because cheapass 2nd hard laptops exist.

and you want the muh accuracy of byuu autism higan, you'll need a new i7 PC anyway.

>> No.5961943

>>5961921
Which emulator is optimized for your PC down to the specific motherboard?

>> No.5961946

>>5961941
For cheap retro emulation android is better. And a pi build legitimately does cost closer to $100. Whereas a used PC build does not

>> No.5961949

>>5957106
>>There's something wrong with my setup so t sucks.
>typical.
That's why you don't use a shitty rapeberry pee to emulate.

>> No.5961954

>>5957157
>You can literally put it in your jacket pocket.
Right, so we should emulate on an android phone or a PS Vita? Gotcha!

>> No.5961962

>>5961943
>emulator is optimized for your PC down to the specific motherboard?

Just ask which motherboard byuu the furry autist is using. Bingo.

>> No.5962000

>>5961941
>they perform perfectly
I really should have just stopped reading there
>they're cool
Oh my dear lord what an airtight objective argument

Basically what you're saying is "why put the effort into having something good when you could just do it the easy way?" and you're not being torn apart for it

This is what 4chan has come to.

>> No.5962240

>>5961886
That's not instances of instructions. That would be full VMs of the snes. You would need 4 yottabytes of ram to hold all the snes you would need to do run ahead the way anon first suggested.

No, it just fast goes back a few frames, corrects your input then fast forward to catch up.

>> No.5962351

>>5961946
yeah you can get an android phone much more powerful for emulation than a pi for like $30 if you get one of those prepaid lg phones off amazon and just never activate the numbers. only upsides to a pi are connecting it to a tv is easier and no google backdoor shit

>> No.5962365

>>5962000
>I really should have just stopped reading there
Like I said, most things play perfectly. 98% of 1-4th gen. Probably more than half of 5th gen.

>> No.5962697

>>5962240
It only has to run a fraction of a second worth of a fork, not the entire process. I don't know how what you think you're describing is not that although it probably is a good way to describe the compromises the engine uses when you crash it up ridiculously high like 6 frames

>>5962365
No they do not play perfectly. They are hacked to shit to achieve playable speeds that still fairly resemble the games they are emulating.

Jesus Christ it gives me a headache to read one post complaining about a hack he's over-applying in an attempt to make what is already cycle accurate emulation also respond twice as fast as real hardware then to turn around and read a post describing frame skipping, framerate varying, effect fudging ReroPi emulation as "perfect"

Fucking Sage. Please die, awful thread.

>> No.5962737

>>5962697
I am describing the emulator fucking fast forwarding.

You are describing a post singularity super computer pushing yottabytes of data within 10ms.

>> No.5962775

>>5962000
>4chan

>> No.5962778

>>5962351
The cheapest one is $50 with terrible reviews and has a weaker processor than the pi.
>>5961946
It cost me $50 for everything for my pi.

It seems like you guys just make shit up. I don't know how one little circuit board causes so much ass pain.

>>5961898
Okay, so which one has better performance, price, form, etc. You seemed so sure of it, so why should I sift through slow boat garbage to find what you already know?

>> No.5963110

>>5962697
Like I said, 98% perfectly. Can you even name 3 NES games that don't run 98% perfectly? It should be easy to name just 3 games from one of the most popular consoles of all time if what you're saying is true. But I have a hunch that the pi emulates a lot better than you think which is what makes it so popular. All for just $25, that's kind of a bargain.

>> No.5963150

>>5963110
I acted quickly and got a good deal on my pi. now i never have to worry about retrogaming ever again.

>> No.5963163

>>5962778
>>5963110
If you are so convinced, why are you still on /vr/ arguing about it? Is it your holy mission to convince your fellow anons of the power of our lord and savior, raspberry pi Jesus?
Fucking cultists, man. Where's Caleb, when you need him?

>> No.5963168

>>5963163
>WAAAAAAAAH! STOP CRYING! BOO HOO! I HATE YOU SO MUCH! ABLOOBLOOBLOO!
Fuck off, retard.

>> No.5963173

>>5962778
https://www.amazon.com/TracFone-TCL-LTE-Prepaid-Smartphone/dp/B07GC5FZDM/ref=sr_1_13?keywords=lg+tracfone&qid=1571686991&sr=8-13 did you look for more than one second? also the bad reviews are all just whining about tracfone's service which obviously wouldn't be an issue here

>> No.5963183

>>5963173
He said LG, so that's what I checked. It doesn't change the fact that Chromecast and the alternatives for Android suck massive ass. And the processor is still worse.
Honestly, if you guys would quit being retards in your blind hatred, you'd recommend a Wii to those okay with used goods and I'd agree.

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>>5963168

>> No.5963186

What can this thing do, that my PC can't?

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>>5963186
Not repel pussy. Keep the battlestation in the man cave.
>>5963173
Pic related.

>> No.5963240

>>5963110
What you said, assuming you were using the grammar you intended is “98% of 1-4th gen runs perfectly" which is not true. Now if you're trying to say "1-4th gen games run 98% perfectly" then you're starting to be more reasonable. "How perfect" is fairly imprecise but if you're willing to knock that down to "1-4th gen games run 95% accurately" then he'll I'll be willing to even agree to you.

I'm even willing to say that if 95% accuracy is adequate for you and you want something that you can buy cheap and snap together yourself in a cute enclosure of your choice then maybe Raspberry Pi is a good choice for you

I'm just surprised there are people like that on 4chan.

>> No.5963251

>>5963110
We're down to $25 now? Good joke man.

>> No.5963252

>>5963251
You can find older models for $25, but it's not worth it, I say.
Just grab the newest for $50 total (case, cable, card).

>> No.5963270

>>5963252
And you just have good spare controllers hanging around right? My PC controller is for my PC and it's so old I'm not sure it'll even work with the pi. I notice a major lack of links with these prices, here's one:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3-Model-B-Retro-Arcade-Machine-Console-over-21-000-games-Retropie/352691025956?hash=item521e05f824:g:gCgAAOSwbRRcpN2c

And don't even try and say to configure it all yourself and download/transfer hundreds of gigabytes, there ain't nobody got time for that shit and if you do you have no life.

>> No.5963275

>>5963270
(continued) and it's £100, which is $130.

>> No.5963276

gUize you can EMULATE SNES games are NEAR FULL SPEED with RetroPi3.14.1235824002402462162919323311

>> No.5963285

As a pi owner, I'll make a concession. Don't buy it for SNES emulation. That seems to be a weak spot. I only really notice in SMW, but the lag is real. Perhaps because I've played that game religiously for decades and have no deathed it a few times. Thankfully I still have my SNES and games.
The rest of the emulators I've tried so far seem rock solid. Don't know what to use for Atari without buying something. Need to find my original and check the caps and such.
>>5963270
I kind of do, though 60% are console controllers and useless there without an adapter. I usually just use a DS4 w bluetooth if I'm not worried about tight response times. I've been enjoying the hell out of myself playing LA on it and the living room big screen.
Almost every controller I've tried is plug and play. A bit of tinkering in command at most, and that doesn't bother me.

>> No.5963286

>>5963270
>>5963251
This. A lot of people mislead about the price, the real price is a lot more with everything included. Here's one for 500 euros https://www.ebay.ie/itm/RetroPie-SUPERPI-SNES-style-Bundle-64GB-Raspberry-Pi-3B-Ready-to-Play/153581108575?hash=item23c225bd5f:g:fkgAAOSwIKZdOt70
I could just get multiple used PCs for this price. Pis are a rip off.

>> No.5963291

>>5963270
>>5963285
Oh, and I forgot, don't pay for retarded kits. I got a case with a fan, sinks, and 5A cable for $10. If you don't have a spare micro SD, 32gb can be found for ~$6.

>> No.5963313

>>5963270
>Ain't nobody got a few seconds to invest in each game they want to own

>> No.5963340

>>5963183
>>5963193
https://www.amazon.com/TracFone-Rebel-LTE-Prepaid-Smartphone/dp/B0727V13FG/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=lg+tracfone&qid=1571691577&sr=8-8 this is lg and $36. and sure the pi 4 has a technically better processor but android seemingly has more optimized emulators anyway. my smartphone has similar specs to this one and can run most n64 games just fine while i hear the pi struggles with ps1 which isn't a problem at all for me.

>> No.5963360

>>5963340
Depends on the pi and phone and software, I guess. My 3 B+ handles 95% of ps1 games I've tried just fine (dino crisis games are a little slow). N64 is way more finnicky, but I played party on it with friends. And I've never had good luck with casting from a phone.
It just comes down to personal preference and context, I guess.

>> No.5963405

>>5963286
Much as I agree, that one is probably a situation where they have ran out of the item but don't want to have to relist it. So they will jack the price up to unreasonable levels where noone will buy it and reduce it again for when they have more stock. They do that for all kinds of items.

>> No.5963425

>>5963360
I use "N64oid" Mupen branch that's long abandoned and it works good though analog support for controllers is pretty lacking. You should also be using an HDMI cable not casting from a phone. Any phone from the last 5 years will put HDMI out its micro USB but people might not know that. Will also take USB controllers with OTG

>> No.5963635

Anyone try an optiplex with a 1050 ti? I can't believe the value for under $100. 8gb ram, i5 3.10ghz, 500gb hdd. Got one with no OS, can't really set it up until the weekend. Can't wait to try the 1050 ti upgrade. For under $300, you can play modern games at 1080p 60fps.

>> No.5963647

Ok so I just fell for the used Dell computer meme, got two off craigslist... One is booting to a blue screen and the other randomly shuts off after about 20 minutes of being on, any suggestions? Why the fuck did I do this to myself. I have a feeling I'm going to be spending all week dealing with this instead of just gaming.

>> No.5963656

>>5963647
>making mistakes
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
IMAGINE

>> No.5963659

>>5963647
Should have just used ebay. At least if anything goes wrong, you're covered. I would never buy untested electronics off craigslist unless it was a residential address. If it was, take it back.

>> No.5963693

>>5963659
Probably, I just didn't want to wait a week and I've heard ebay's customer service can be bad. I just want to play games. Feels bad.

>> No.5963809

>>5963647
>Why the fuck did I do this to myself
Obviously because you're not satisfied with the way you're doing it now.
>Things take time and effort? Wuuuuuu?
Sorry you had to learn the hard way but that's the way the world works. When you get to highschool they'll (try to) teach you how this all works in economics. Might want to wait until then, and listen carefully, before blowing any more of your allowance.

>> No.5963817

>>5963647
wait what did you post this on? chances are you would be better off just using that as an emulation rig.

>> No.5966025

gonna have to bump this.

>> No.5966069

>>5963635
That's exactly what I have though I usually go with 720p so I can have the textures turned up and low-demand anti-aliasing turned on. It varies from game to game though. I'm actually fiddling with this i7 Thinkpad's settings seeing if I'll be able to play The Beast Inside on it. It's one of those games that some settings are either Ultra or nothing. Emulates PS2 at 2x internal resolution and still manages 60fps though.

>>5963647
What KIND of Dell? You clearly need to format and install an OS on the one but the other one, what does it do when it shuts off? Any blinking lights? Will it come right back on or does it need to cool off? Is it getting adequate ventilation? Does it give you a message when you reboot about recovering from an error?

>> No.5966350

For the optiplex rout, has anyone used a vga to hdmi dongle? Curious if there would be any practical input lag. I'll most likely get another video card anyway, but just wondering.

>> No.5966368

>>5966350
>has anyone used a vga to hdmi dongle
Yes. Millions have been made and used. Curious if you know they're not all the same. Wish I could say the same of ignorant zoomers.

>> No.5966389

>>5966368
If you bothered to read more than a sentence, I was asking more about if there is input lag. I always use the correct cables, but my tv in the living room only has composite and hdmi. (yes composite, not component). If you are trying to sound smart or something, this is the complete wrong place.

>> No.5966442

>>5966069
Optiplex 390 and Optiplex 790. Now the blue screen one just goes to black. Do I need to go buy a Windows disc? I should have included that in the cost when I was thinking of doing this. Yes the one that turns off can be turned back on right away and it says Windows shut down unexpectedly.
Ventilation seems good, and I can't see any blinking lights.I'm going to mess around with them for a few more hours tonight.

>> No.5966515

>>5966442
No you should burn a windows disc. The computers might even have key certificates on them if you look not that I really care about that I just use KMS

>> No.5966547

>>5966389
>zoom zoom
I read more than one sentence ofyour ignorant shitpost. That should be obvious as I replied to more than one. As far as "lag", there is massive lag between when you post here and when you're old enough to post here. So back to facebook little faggot.

>> No.5967107

>>5966547
Go back to /v/, obviously you've never used one. I've used dvi to hdmi in the past with no lag. Guess I'll just see for myself until I get the 1050 ti.

>> No.5967119

>>5967107
You were privacy covering DVI-D. VGA (and YPbPr) is an analog signal so there will be *some* lag which is probably what zoom-zoomanon is being all condescending about (who knows for sure) but if you're sending a 1080p analog signal the lag should be infinitesimal. It's upscaling that's resource hungry and generally shitty.

>> No.5967123

>>5966442
Just fucking reinstall windows god damn you’re stupid

>> No.5967141

>>5967119
>privacy

>> No.5967271

>>5967141
I obliviously meant "probably"

>> No.5967360

>>5957872
>runahead is unreliable. Many games glitch out or teleport things out of place. Some of them don't register inputs at the right time.
Indeed.
Off the top of my head I can think of Front Mission: Gun Hazard as one game that bugs out with runahead enabled. And sadly, for the consoles that really need it, like N64 and Dreamcast and PSX, runahead cannot be used.
I like runahead and I use it sometimes. But I think a lot of the message board posters that shill for it have never really tried it beyond a cursory test.
You can always enable runahead emulator-wide, but maybe 20% of the games will have problems with it. It needs to be turned off for specific games, or a frame added or subtracted to the runahead.
A lot of the features that are or were introduced to libretro sound so cool and game-changing on the surface; but once you get around to actually using them, you find they're more-or-less functional, but really buggy and unfriendly, and sometimes they've been abandoned by their collaborators or the individual that shipped them. libretro is like Steam in that regard.

>> No.5967363

>>5963340
Android input lag is absolute garbage.

>> No.5967396

>>5966442
>Do I need to go buy a Windows disc?
No. If the machine had legit Windows 10 on it, it will activate automatically. Make sure to reinstall Pro or Home accordingly.
If it has a Windows 7 sticker on it, you can use that to install Windows 10 or 7 on ANY PC. But once you activate 10 with it, the license is consumed and cannot be used to activate Windows 7 again. It won't activate automatically.
>muh BSoD, muh Dell Optimeme shutting down randomly
The first needs either a new OS (you could copy and paste the minidumps somewhere and read them with blue screen view or windbg and troubleshoot the BSoD, but who cares) or it needs a new set of RAM modules (unlikely, RAM lasts 15 years nowadays). Reinstall the OS as above and you'll know soon enough whether it was a bad driver or a bad RAM stick. Don't bother testing that shit overnight with memtest or whatever.
The other one has a bad PSU if it's powering-off randomly. Could be worth fixing if you want to buy a $20 ebay PSU.
Which is the one with the bad PSU? The small form factor? Is one PC small form factor, and the other mini-tower or something?

>> No.5967463

>>5956994
>Is there any reason NOT to emulate on a raspberry pi 4?
It doesn't support retropi yet.

>> No.5967754

>>5967363
That hasn't been a problem since Android 2.0

>>5967360
>for the consoles that really need it, like N64 and Dreamcast and PSX, runahead cannot be used.
Yeah it would be nice if the real consoles didn't have input lag too but they do.

>> No.5967858

>>5967107
>Go back to my containment board
You first zoomlet
>one
You little fagots just never learn, do you?
>1050 ti
kek

>> No.5967890

>>5967754
>Yeah it would be nice if the real consoles didn't have input lag too but they do.
No it wouldn't. The only lag they have is the lag that was directly programmed into the game and that is a natural part of the game and generally tiny. Emulation has that lag plus several times more.

>> No.5967907

>>5967271
then write it.

>> No.5968024

>>5967754
>Yeah it would be nice if the real consoles didn't have input lag too but they do.
zoom Zoom ZOOM!

>> No.5968056

>>5967890
>>5968024
Lag is a result of overhead. When games went 3D and started rendering instead of just drawing they became way more like computers than they were before. The N64 does have remarkably minimal overhead and does perform a bit snappier than its emulators even considering how vastly, astronomically, geometrically more powerful modern computers are than 25 year old video game consoles but systems like Playstation and Dreamcast have plenty of overhead and have very comparable input delay to their PC emulators

>>5967907
"it"

>> No.5968104

>>5968056
>lag is whatever this zoomennial says it is
>kidsplaining
Top kek kid

>> No.5968123

>>5967363
that's just robert broglia's emulators being shittily programmed for controllers. the on-screen controls don't have noticeable lag at all and neither does any other emulator with a controller

>> No.5968156

>>5968123
Only NESoid still has real bad input lag. I can count frames in SF2 on both Gensoid and Broglia's SNES9x with an iCade joystick. I don't know what's up with NESoid, I may need to try a different version.

>> No.5968168

>>5963340
I have a pi 3b+, and it hasn't struggled at all with any ps1 games I've tried.

>> No.5968205

>>5967858
Can you be anymore /v/ if you tried? Word for word /v/ material. At least try to act a little older 12.

>> No.5968228

>>5957027
>sffpc
>$150 for sff case + $300 minimum for parts, for an old system

>raspberry pi4
>$40

>> No.5968250

>>5968228
Are you retarded? You can find one for under $100. i5 ~3ghz with 4-8 gb of ram. Only thing most people would need to buy if hooking up to a tv is a cheap video card with hdmi output. You totally forgot about the extra pi costs which would bring it up to or close to final pc cost. (case, storage, hdmi adapter, 4gb ram model? etc..) Totally bias and not $40. Here's an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Elite-8200-Core-i5-2500-3-3ghz-8GB-DVDRW-250GB-HD-Tower-MT-Computer/233197301561?hash=item364ba46f39:g:GmUAAOSwIKNcCubH

>> No.5968260

>>5968250
Not him, here. A shit case for a pi is like 5 bucks. And I personally have like 20 microSD cards lying around.
I agree though that there a probably better options than a pi for retro emulation. Pis are nice for customizability, community, etc... Size. But if you just want to pop some emulators on a machine and go I'm sure some Chinese android thing will do that fine.

>> No.5968390

>>5968250
I think you're missing the point. That doesn't fit into some little niche in an entertainment center. That's a big, probably noisy by now mofo.
I have a fuck huge PC in the office for intensive emulation or whatever. But that is a different ballpark.
If it was a sleeper computer in a media case like the high roller tryhards on /g/ flaunt I'd be jealous, or at least I would have been a few years ago. I can't remember what they even call those.
It is a good value, though, I'll give you that. If I needed a desktop because I didn't have one, I'd be all over that.

>> No.5968403

>>5967890
>Emulation has that lag plus several times more.
>several times
Several times more? Hardly.
While N64 emulation has seven or eight frames of input latency and Mednafen will give you three to five frames of latency for PSX, 16 and 8-bit games on the other hand have one or two frames of extra latency as a result of software emulation. Definitely not "several times" more, even when not considering the built-in lag on consoles like the SNES that you alluded to.

>> No.5968438

>>5968205
>you hit the nail on the head and triggered me so i'll project
kek

>> No.5968756

>>5963635
>>5966069
An Optiplex weighs 7 pounds. A Pi is 1/10th of 1 pound. That's 70x the weight. They're different categories and you guys are trying to troll the thread while just revealing how poor you are. In my emulation desktop I have two 2080s in SLI mode, can't you afford a nice home setup? Especially if you're old and have had time to save... For portability and price nothing beats my Pi which I have to admit performs as well as or close to the SLI setup for most of the games I play (Genesis, Gameboy, Arcade). I also overclock my Pi and have made some custom performance enhancements.

>> No.5969692

>>5961371
>MAME
This kills the Raspberry Pi

>> No.5971490

>>5968756
>using two 2080 gtx cards to play gameboy games...

i like you anon, i think you are a funny guy, thats why i will kill you last.

>> No.5971523

>>5960854
>$100 laptop
>cpu less powerful than a pi
You're a terrible shopper.

>> No.5971667

>>5971523
I didn't do the in depth due diligence I would if I was actually buying one; just a quick sweep, this is true.
But feel free to link your recommendation.

>> No.5971684

>>5971667
You do realize that the pi has the power of a core 2 duo at best right?

>> No.5971685

>>5956994
You don't have 30 bucks to buy something fun to play with.

>> No.5972135

>>5957872

that's because it needs to be set per game

>> No.5973161

>>5971523
Not him, but: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E6420-Laptop-160GB-Windows-10-4GB-i5-2-5GHZ-14-TESTED/113094953893?hash=item1a54fc0ba5:g:1vAAAOSwHZhbLpAg:sc:USPSPriority!07407!US!-1

Took me about 30 seconds. This mops the floor in terms of sbcs. For the small amount over $100, this is the smarter choice.

>> No.5973176

>>5971685
This is the thing that gets me about all the people who get furious at the mention of a Pi. It's such a low effort, low cost thing.

>> No.5973309

>>5973176
But also low performance and limited software. It's cool to play with, but not very efficient. It's best used as a Kodi media player.

>> No.5973717
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5973717

>>5957485

>> No.5973730

>>5973717
Dumbass even a fucking SNES mini has better performance than that worthless piece of shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol12g5GxI7Y

>> No.5973896

>>5973730
>$20 vs $80
>pcsx vs pcsx-rearmed
stupid fuck

>> No.5973927

>>5957485
The SFF models of the dells look similar to a modern cable box and are literally $75 shipped going rate, i5 3ghz 4-8gb of ram. If you can't save an extra $15, get a jobby.

>> No.5973930

>>5973896
You can’t play PS1 games on your PS classic haahaha faggot

>> No.5973932

>>5973730
video didnt demonstrate a hacked psx classic. just straight out of the box.

>> No.5974040

>>5973932
after being hacked it still sucks. sorry, performance is bad.

>> No.5974331

>>5972135
Yeah, but it's a little bit annoying. Even with a setting of 1 some games freak out. I forced myself to go through the entire library of US genesis (redundant) games for some other purpose with runahead enabled and noticed many games were actually unplayable.

There are other games that at the contrary play quite nice with it. But for instance I noticed SMB3, a game I played countless times, became a little bit funky with jumping. I was fucking up more than usual and it turned out that it wasn't me sucking at the game, it was that damn option. Maybe it's not missing inputs, but it threw me off to where I would clearly press the jump button many times and not have the motherfucker jump.

It's an impressive trick if you add other things (a higher refresh rate monitor for instance) but it's still a trick unfortunately. It's to be used with only a few games that work perfectly with it. Some arcade games (like SFA3) can accept a high setting and it's marvelous because those games actually do have quite the input lag.

>> No.5975460

>>5974331
Can you post example videos or photos? Are you using Vulkan or OGL? Vulkan is really glitchy for me. Post settings and maybe someone can help. I haven't had any issues yet with 2 frames setting.

>> No.5976172

>>5956994
Because it's hard to find a credit card sized liquid cooling system.

>> No.5976339

>>5976172
>Liquid cooling
Air cooling will keep the CPU very cool even at max load

>Inb4 it's too loud
The fans tiny it makes barely any noise at all

>> No.5976412

>>5976339
>use tiny dreamcast fan
>where's your god now

>> No.5976538

>>5957523
The H96 Max community is known for its dedication and attentiveness. It consists of modders, tech-savy GNU/Linux users, and connoisseurs of Japanese popular culture.

>> No.5976637

>>5974331
I had a similar problem in windows. With runahead of 1, bsnes performance and snes9xNext cores, you can't hold a button down, it just fires off like autofire. With runahead off, everything is fine. I googled for a while, but I couldn't find anything. Gave up and did something else with my evening. Glad to see it's not just me, there's actually something that goes wrong for other people too.

>> No.5977926

>>5976339
Lol, you replied to an obvious troll. You would have to be half retarded to even think about liquid cooling a pi.

>> No.5977951

>>5977926
I'm sorry I'm autistic