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Is this a bad game or just a bad "donkey kong country" game?

>> No.5953504

I never really cared for any of the DKC games. Just seemed like a generic walk right.

>> No.5953505 [DELETED] 

>>5953502
Yes

>> No.5953510

>>5953504
I really loved the first one. Maybe it's just nostalgia talking as I only ever really played the first one growing up, but I have beaten all 3 gba ports at the very least and I have played a lot of 2 on the snes. And I can say 1 is still the best. 2 tried to have too many boring and frusterating gimmick levels where the 1st's was perfect. I can't comment on 3 because it's been so long and I only ever beat the GBA version. I know it had an extra level called pacifica or something but that's all I remember.

>> No.5953514

>>5953502
It's a good game

>> No.5953517

>>5953502
>let's replace Donkey Kong and Diddey Kong with a couple of literal whos
>???
>profit

>> No.5953520

>>5953517
It gives them a way to continue the franchise if they lost rights to the Nintendo characters.

>> No.5953524

>>5953520
That's what happened anyway and nintendo still owned the new characters.

>> No.5953539 [DELETED] 

>>5953502
It's neither. It's a good game with a great soundtrack and tight controls. The PNW/Canadian locale stuff was nice too.

>> No.5953541

>>5953502
its decent enough, if a bit worse than dkc

>> No.5953543

>>5953539
>The PNW/Canadian locale stuff was nice too.


There was a Canadian version with extra features?..

>> No.5953574

Good game, but that baby Gorilla was bad.

>> No.5953575

>>5953520
Ohh I can see their game now.

>> No.5953602

>>5953502
Don't mind the contrarians. This game is amazing.
>Confy Soundtrack
>Amazing Different zones
>Lots of exploration and secrets.

Totally worth a try, as every Donkey Kong from the Snes era. Also

>3 >2 >1

And this is the universal truth.

>> No.5953642

all dk games are bad games

>> No.5954229

>>5953502
I'll go with 2 > 1 = 3 any day of the week. Each game has their own strengths and mood though, so its not actually important to compare them like this. It's not as if one "replaces" the other.

>> No.5954243

The soundtrack isn't as good (I hate the music in the first level), but it still has some bangers.
https://youtu.be/ov54fuVurHo

>> No.5954246

>>5953602
Exactly this.

>> No.5954260

>>5953517
Dixie a cute. A CUTE.

>> No.5954263

>>5953502
Neither. It's an overly ambitious Donkey Kong Country game. It tried way too hard to supplant the previous game.
It's not worth playing after experiencing the first two in my opinion. Playing the the first two in order gives you a proper leap forward in quality and presentation from game-to-game, but going from DKC2 to 3 is a step backwards. I'd say going from DKC to DKC3 is a step backwards too.

>> No.5954273

The fucking baby money sucks dead dog dick

>> No.5954302

>>5953543
No, it's just themed after the pacific northwest.

>> No.5954347

>>5953510
I also have an extreme fondness for 1. The grafics were a lot moodier and realistic, for what it's worth.

>> No.5954372
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>>5954260

>> No.5954395

>>5954263
False

>> No.5954404

>>5953502
Both. Just another entry in a franchise that didn't do anything special besides its spotty collision detection and gimmicks to conceal run of the mill level design.

>> No.5954441

>>5954404
>>5953504
>>5953642
t.Steven Kent

>> No.5954445
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>>5954372
She's supposed to be left-handed! What's with Nintendo making their left-handed protagonists right-handed?

>> No.5954620

>>5953574
doesn't he play the same as DK?

>> No.5954664
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>>5953502
It's objectively better than the first DKC, people just hated the baby. What they should have done was have DK as Dixie's partner so the playable roster came full circle.

>> No.5954707

>Donkey Kong Country
>takes place on a tropical island of unknown national sovereignty

>> No.5954712

HEYYYYYYYYYYO
LOOK OUT DOWN BELOW
HERE HE COMES
BANANA SLAMMA

>> No.5954741

>>5953502
he a good game, he din do nuffin

>> No.5954795

>>5953502
Good game but baby kong was a bad char

>> No.5954796

>>5953502
I never thought it was a bad game, period. I enjoyed it as much as any of the other Donkey Kong Country games.

Sigh... I miss the DKC series.

>> No.5954827

>>5954664
>Chunky was supposed to be grown up kiddie
>Instead kidde is forever stuck as a retarded ugly baby.

>> No.5954861

>>5953502

Ever noticed how much rainbow crap is going on in the third game? Almost like they were a couple years too soon with gay acceptance.

>> No.5954862

Why the fuck has no one made a romhack which swaps DK with Baby Kong.
It seems fucking easy.

>> No.5954864

It's the Rare-iest DKC game. It plays like a 2D DK64 or Conker.

>> No.5954872

>>5953517
All video game characters were literal whos at one point

>> No.5955330

It has its highs.
Some unique levels and soundtracks but overall it missed something dkc2 and 3 had.
And the Baby.

>> No.5955403

>>5954664
I wonder if people would have liked DKC3 more if DK just replaced the baby. The level design was actually pretty decent wasn't it?

>> No.5955406

DKC platformers>mario platformers>sonic platformers

>> No.5955551

>>5954796
Hey, psst ... Returns and Tropical Freeze still exist.

>> No.5955559

Listen DKC3fags, once again, no one is saying it sucks. It’s still the worst of the three. You can have all of a series be good but one of them still has to technically be the worst. That’s all. You don’t have to defend it anymore.

>> No.5955561

>>5954445
I'm left handed but play guitar like a right hander usually does

>> No.5955571

I used to be hard as fuck on DKC3, but I warmed up to it after getting the real cart and 105%'ing it.
As far as completion goes, its the one the shines the most. I would still say its the worst one, Kiddy Kong sucks, the aesthetic is worse across the board, regarding established enemies that really didn't need to be changed and the soundtrack is the weakest by far. Overall its still a good game and you should play it if you liked the previous 2.

>> No.5955575 [DELETED] 

>>5955403
Back in those days, it was sort of taboo for game companies to rehash things. It was considered lazy in a time where "new ideas" were paramount.

>> No.5955847

Good game and good DKC game, with the few hiccups standing out more because DKC2 had no hiccups vs the original. Hiccups I remember were uglier enemy designs, kiddy being the least fun character of the 4, reliance on traditional 2D effects at times like the octopus' water spout, and a world map that felt like you were controlling the character from outer space. Also too many collectibles. It's the proto DKC64.
Levels and gameplay were still on par with the originals, making it a good DKC game.

>> No.5956453

>>5955575

That's kinda bullshit since the game was called DONKEY KONG country.
The fans were anxiously awaiting Donkey Kong's return after DK2, but Rare fucked up and created a game about a girl and a baby in a glorious rainbow land full of faggotry.

>> No.5956739

>>5953502
Playing as a GIRL or a BABY? Ugh no thanks! Worst DKC ever.

>> No.5956756

>>5953517
Kiddy plays EXACTLY like Donkey

>> No.5956760
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>>5956756
DK has the Hand Slap move that's honestly kind of useless, whereas Kiddy has the water bounce move that's hard to time correctly but feels good when you manage to do it right.

>> No.5956763

>>5956760
Damn, I never even knew about the water skip move

>> No.5956935

>>5953502
kind of both

>> No.5956939

>>5954260
And the best. Her helicopter spin makes difficult platforming a breeze.

>> No.5956948
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>>5956739
Everyone I knew was cool with Dixie. She was the chick that felt like a bro. It's all the baby's fault.

>> No.5957010

>>5955551
Hey, pssst... they suck.

>> No.5957161

Neither. It's just a "Not as good as Donkey Kong Country 2" game. Still pretty fun.

>> No.5957167

>>5956756
Kiddy holds barrels in front of him. DK holds them above.

>> No.5957265

>>5953502
It's an extremely good game. It's not as good as DKC2 but DKC2 is in the running for best platformer ever created so it was a high bar to clear. I think the aesthetic is weaker than the prior two games but the gameplay is definitely superior to DKC1. As this thread points out, most people hate it entirely for Kiddy Kong and not a rational reason. I believe the release date also meant many missed out on it when it was new and only came back to it later which means people don't give it a nostalgia boost either.

>> No.5957285

>>5957265
Donkey Kong Country 1 rapes 2 and 3. No bullshit backtracking.

>> No.5957310

I like the cozy laidback nature of DKC3. The environments are all so pretty and relaxing, there isn't such a strong emphasis on hardcore platforming. It's just easy going and fun.

DKC2, the acclaimed best DKC, is the polar opposite. Grim, tense environments, strong emphasis on hardcore platforming, willing to punish you hard if you play poorly.

>> No.5957326

>>5957310
"I suck cocks at videogames" is a more succinct way of phrasing it, anon.

>> No.5957334

>>5957310
3 isn't really any easier than 2, though.

>> No.5957336

>>5957334
3 is definitely easier and more forgiving. Also easier to get all of the collectibles in, especially the DK coins.

>> No.5958380

>>5954862
goddamn this.

>> No.5959584
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>>5954796
Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair has closer and tighter controls like the SNES DKC series and while it does borrow a few things from Tropical Freeze and Returns it really feels a lot more like a modern DKC3 with an expanded overworld and smooth platforming in the actual levels with unique puzzles and cleverly hidden collectibles.

>> No.5959615

>>5956948
>This product will not operate when connected to a device which makes unauthorized copies.
>Please refer to your instruction booklet for further information.

>> No.5959625

>>5959584
Kinda off topic but is this any good? the 1st game was a boring shitfest and it completely missed the mark on what made BK great. Isn't the sequel a different genre entirely or something now?

>> No.5959627

Is the hidden/extra world in the GBA version worth playing over the snes one for the 1st time?

>> No.5959635

>>5957285
Backtracking implies that you have no choice but to retread stuff only after unlocking or completing something else. In DKC2 and 3, if you miss something the first time around, it's on you.

>> No.5959643

>>5959625
Sequel is a sidescroller. Plays great, excellent level design, great soundtrack.

Missing something, though. I'd say character design. Graphics aren't anything spectacular, not a fan of the Dreamworks looking artstyle. It also has no edge, like DKC 2 does with its spooky skeleton levels and whatnot.

Still highly recommended though.

>> No.5959647

>>5959627
No, the GBA ports are all pretty bad despite the additional content.

>> No.5959653

>>5953502
The aesthetics are fantastic, and it has a fun 105%.

>> No.5959708
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>>5959625
>>5959643
To me it's pretty much a DKC3 sequel in terms of level design. Usually there's a quirk in every level, or if there isn't one when you unlock the expanded version of the level there sure as hell will be one.
Also the game's soundtrack is amazing, David Wise composed a few tracks and the other composers were very clearly inspired by his work. Not one bad track in the game. I know it's not /vr/ so I shouldn't be gushing about it but its my GotY since I'm kind of a DKC super-fan.

>> No.5959717

>>5959708
Did Grant Kirkhope do any music for it? it was the same team that made the last one right? wasn't it former employees of rare or something?

>> No.5959724

>>5959717
I believe he only did the overworld theme. Music is more DKC than B&K.
I think it's the same team, but Playtonic isn't really formed of Rare alumni like people would like you to think. Impossible Lair is still a greatt game though.

>> No.5959848

>>5953520
Nintendo owns everything DKC related and always has. You're one of the same retards that question if Nintendo can use K. Rool.

>> No.5959939

>>5957336
If one is harder than the other it's not by a large degree. See, Egoraptor ragequitting roughly halfway through both.

>> No.5959989

>>5959708
As long as it gets the DKC "feel" (and sense of humor with the writing) in all the ways the Returns games don't, I'm sure I'll like it.

>> No.5960002

>>5959625
>the 1st game was a boring shitfest and it completely missed the mark on what made BK great
The Completionist said it was good so you're wrong

>> No.5960004

>>5959989
I still have no clue how the Returns games are meant to resemble the DKC games at all, they're completely fucking different in every way that matters.

>> No.5960009

>>5957010
You didn't like Tropical Dong?
I thought it was excellent
Returns was not the best I will concede

>> No.5960245

>>5953517
Tbh I did sort of want to see the pattern continue in Donkey Kong Country 4: Kiddy’s Day Out

>> No.5960281
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>>5960245
But the partner character keeps getting younger, so...what would the partner be? Fetus Kong?!

>> No.5960447

>>5960281

Donkey Kong Country 4 : Kiddy's Frantic Fetus Fight
Featuring Kiddy and Fetus Kong, watch as Kiddy stumbles around the levels accompanied by fetus kong, throw fetus against enemies to knock them out! use his still present umbilical cord to reach hard to reach places.
Watch as Kiddy and Fetus once again fight King K. Rool (now using the moniker Fuhrer.K) who kidnapped not only Donkey Kong, but also Diddy and now also Dixie!!!! ooh what a compelling story.

>> No.5962749

>>5953510
The ports suck especially 3 since they changed all the best music

>> No.5962756
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>>5953602
>tfw 9 year old you unlocks krematoa accidentally

>> No.5963184

>>5953502
Neither. It's a good game, and a good "Donkey Kong Country" game. Just because it's the worst of the original DKC trilogy doesn't make it a bad game - the other two titles were just that, damn good.

>> No.5963290

>>5963184
why do you think its the worst of the three? i think its better than 1

>> No.5963391

>>5953502
Nah it's great, it could be nostlagia but I always loved how different the aesthetic and setting were compared to the first 2.

>> No.5963632

>that water level where you have to keep feeding the fish to stop it from chomping you

fuck 3

>> No.5963992
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>>5960245
DKC: Kiddy's Kremling Cristmas. King K. Rool hasstolen all the Kong's presents.

The bonus levels will be Christmas themed, like when you use the "MERRY" cheat in DKC3.

>> No.5963995

Anybody else ever notice how the music for clearing a bonus stage cuts off the sound effect you get from collecting the bonus coin? I've literally never heard anyone anywhere mention this. Am I from a parallel universe?

>> No.5965370

>>5963995
dude

>> No.5965523

I definitely enjoyed it less after the pinnacle that was DKC2. Music, level design, general atmosphere... I don't mind the setting for 3, it was actually a decent change of pace, but something about getting through the game felt like a chore sometimes.

>> No.5965590

>>5959848
I believe Rare owned the rights to the DK64 Kongs but traded them during the buyout.

>> No.5965610
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>>5965590
Yeah, they somehow had trademark on all the new major characters from DK64. Nintendo had trademark on Banjo-Kazooie but sold it to them when they parted.

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>>5963632
Does that Nibbla count as an animal buddy or not? He does get a sign at the end...

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>>5965610
Could this be why Tiny was redesigned?

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>>5953504
>>5954404
Correct.

>>5953642
>all dk games are bad games
Not true, this is a good DK game.

>> No.5965974

>>5965935
t.Jeremy Parish

>> No.5966045

>>5953502
I don't think anyone will tell you it's better than 2. In terms of setting, it's like a vacation compared to an adventure. Not having DK there again is weird, after going through all the trouble to save him, and makes it feel even more like a side story. Introducing a fourth Kong was a mistake, they should have had DK/Diddy/Dixie.
Other than that, I don't see why anyone would rate 3 poorly in terms of its gameplay. It built on the previous game just like 2 did, and constantly introduced new things throughout. Accordingly, in some places the difficulty is higher. It has more levels, more secrets. The bears and banana bird stuff is more extensive than anything in 2. And you get a hovercraft.

>> No.5966096

Odd question, but hopefully thread relevant: what would you want out of a new Donkey Kong Country game?

>> No.5966108

>>5966096
For it to actually play like the old ones did and for them to try to do something that at least resembles the old aesthetic rather than the awful and boring new one.

It'd be good to bring back the Kremlings too since every attempt at replacing them has been god awful. I don't think they're necessarily REQUIRED but no enemies since have had anything even close to their charm.

>> No.5966124

>>5966108
If they made a new game they'd be more likely to include Kremlings, considering K Rool being in Smash now.

>> No.5966141

>>5966108
>>5966124
I still don't understand what's the issue with Nintendo and the Kremlings.
They have the rights to use them as much as they do for Diddy, Cranky, Funky, and Dixie, not to mention games like King of Swing and Barrel Blast showing that they can have Kremlings in any DK game without the involvement of Rare nor Microsoft.
Unless the lack of them (and in turn how they started to use the DK cast less and less as time went on until nowadays) is mainly because of some unknown hatered Nintendo has over Rare.

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>>5965610
>>5965626
Paradoxically Lanky Kong got in Sm4sh and Brawl's in form of trophies, and in Barrel Blast as a playable character.
Something must've happened in-between Rare's buyout (like exchanging which rights are owned by who).

>> No.5966284

>>5954707
you're right wtf

>> No.5967824

>>5960281
Coconut cream pie Kong

>> No.5967848

>>5966124
The Kremlings were in Mario Strikers on the Wii. That's their role now. Playing goalkeepers in sports video games.

>> No.5968389

>>5954620
>>5956756
This is how I know you didn't play these.

>> No.5969212
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>my favorite area in Donkey Kong Country 3 is Cottontop Cove!

>> No.5969220

>>5954862
then do it

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guys I like robots.

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I want to be a robot when I grow up.

>> No.5969298

>>5966165
Yeah, they gave Nintendo the rights to the DK64 characters and Nintendo let them take Banjo

>>5965626
Even if the swap hadn't happened, Rare developed the Diddy Kong Racing port

>> No.5969305

I guess maybe not everybody knows this, but the Gameboy Advance port of Donkey Kong Country 3 contained a completely different soundtrack than the original. The lack of a backlight on the OG GBA models forced them to brighten up the colors of the first two games to compensate and it totally ruined the ambiance, especially for the second one. So they decided "fuck it, lean into the curve" and this was the result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K949DkLQOWU

(There's also a new world)

>> No.5969397

>>5969305
It sounds fucking awful and the new world isn't anything interesting.

At least it's not as insulting as what happened to Stronghold Showdown in DKC2.

>> No.5969421
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>>5969397
Yeah, there aren't any new archetypes in the new world which means it suffers difficulty establishing itself as a unique area, but there are a couple unused elements from the original. It's been a while but I remember feeling underwhelmed when I finally played through it, kinda remember the level design being rote.

I like a lot of the new music (but absolutely not the cheesy new sound effects), it's obviously butchered on the GBA soundchip but if you listen to remixes they're solid. Here's three tracks composer David Wise upgraded for the E3 trailer, while we're on the subject:

https://www.dkvine.com/?p=games&page=dkc3gba&section=e32005remixes

The worst part of the port is all the minigames and changes to the Kong Family Helpers.

>> No.5970478

What's the best area in the game?
Also is Lemguin Lunge the worst level?

>> No.5970492

>>5953502
>Is this a bad game
>or just a bad "donkey kong country" game
neither, I played through all 3 again recently and enjoyed 3 the most, I don't get the hype behind 2 I played it then and I played it now and I found it to just be frustrating instead of fun

>> No.5972450

I just finished a 103% replay of this earlier tonight, after having not played it all the way through in many years.

It's a lot of fun. I like how most of the DK Coins and Bonus Barrels are logically hidden. There were a few that gave me a bit of trouble and required some dedicated hunting, but at least they didn't do too much obtuse shit like having to walk through collision-free walls and whatnot. The bosses weren't too bad in terms of design and combat, but the boss of Cotton-Top Cove, the sea creature that spits at you, was pretty stupid. That being said, the bosses were overall underwhelming in terms of difficulty when compared to some of the levels, with a couple of the Lost World levels bordering on frustrating. The final Banana Bird memory game was probably the most frustrating since I suck at those.

I think they went too cartoony with some of the enemies, and I miss the large palette-swap variety from the first game.

Really don't know why anybody would consider this to be a bad game. It is a lot of fun, and the difficulty is just enough to keep things interesting but not enough to really leave you stuck for an extended period of time.

>> No.5972608

>>5969421
GBA music is a mixed bag but it doesn't have a real final boss theme so fuck it.

>> No.5973032

>>5969298
Rare's contract with Microsoft didn't extend to handhelds, so they were allowed to keep making GBA and DS games.

For a while afterwards, though, M$ got so stingy with their ownership of Rare that they wouldn't even let the DKC games be sold on the Wii's Virtual Console and so they got delisted. It wasn't until the WiiU that they let them be sold again.

>> No.5973083

>>5959615
this shit made my cart of 1 unplayable, the fuck happened?

>> No.5973108

>>5973032
Is that indeed why DKC got delisted? I remember the spurious rumor at the time was the music homages/theft but we all knew that probably wasn't it. I do remember Nintendo giving MS problems over Goldeneye, maybe a reboot?

I think they were allowed to finish the GBA games already in development and then, because of that opening, they signed a new one for the DS stuff.

>> No.5973198 [DELETED] 

>>5953502
it's pretty good. it's main fault is that kiddy kong is a bad character.

>> No.5973203

>>5953502 (OP)
it's pretty good. its main fault is that kiddy kong is a bad character.