/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5919328]

Is it really as bad as people say it is? I'm thinking about trying it out.

[Anonymous No.5919338]

I've beaten all numbered FFs, except for the MMOs ones, and I legitimately think FF8 is the worst one.

[Anonymous No.5919345]

>>5919328
it's a pleb filter of a mediocre games series in the time it started to rely on "story" instead of mechanics. This game effectively trolls its shitty fanbase and gives you a clusterfuck of a story, that ironically has amazing potential. It presents you a game with mechanics that allow you to do things in many different ways and encourages you to replay it just because it's even fun to break the game in the many different ways you can break it. This and Tactics are the only games worth touching in the series if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.5919362]

>>5919328
It's a great game imo but an acquired taste. Strong storytelling that primarily relies on inference - a lot of the story can only be understood by digging through the game-world for hidden texts and off-hand references by the NPCs, characters also have inferred emotion that the player has to ponder to truly understand.
The game mechanics are similar in that there are multiple ways to play the game/system but you need to take a step back and think about it/be creative.

>>5919345
This is some dumb faggot who probably plays games to feel "bad-ass" like this poster >>5917120

[Anonymous No.5919367]

>>5919345
Absolute mess of a poo-poo platter of opinions, with the icing on the cake being 'FF8 and Tactics are the only ones worth playing'. Always good to see what you urinal cakes come up with, gives everyone a good laugh. By the way, this is a fucking troll thread, if the compost heap between your ears didn't do the calculations yet, this thread gets made almost every single fucking say.

[Anonymous No.5919510]

>>5919328
along with VI it's the best in the series. asexual geeks will tell you IX and barely literate simpletons will tell you VII. it's VIII

[Anonymous No.5919525]

>>5919510
>asexual geeks will tell you IX
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.5919731]

>>5919328
If you're an autist you won't enjoy the story and if you're a brainlet you won't enjoy the gameplay.

[Anonymous No.5919780]

>>5919731
Yup this just about sums it up

[Anonymous No.5919812]

>>5919525
He wanted to fuck Quina

[Anonymous No.5919817]

They all suck, end to end. You are looking at writing on the level of a 5th grader.

[Anonymous No.5919819]

>>5919817
>You are looking at writing on the level of a fifth grader.
Yeah, we know about your problems, but what about the game?

[Anonymous No.5919829]

>>5919819
Are you intellectually challenged?

[Anonymous No.5919834]

>>5919829
No, sorry, I can't relate with you in that department. But anyway, let's get back to discussing the game!

[Anonymous No.5919857]

8 is one of the best video games ever made.

[Anonymous No.5919876]

It's past time /vr/ got IDs. We would see FF8 and shmup butthurt threads made by the exact same two people everytime.

[Anonymous No.5919896]

It's a game with great gameplay ideas and an awesome atmosphere that the only second to FFVII in that regard. However, the gameplay execution was piss poor and the story is one of the worst in jrpg history that its unfortunately a mediocre title.

[Anonymous No.5919897]

>>5919328
Best in the series, a post-modern masterpiece in it's scope and grandeur. Doesn't always work but it's got heart and great gameplay, likeable well developed player characters with a clear arc. Basically the only thing wrong with it is its woefully under developed last disc boss

[Anonymous No.5919898]

>>5919328
Fucking tedious watching these battle animations for the six-millionth time.

[Anonymous No.5919951]

>>5919328
>cinematic polygon jrpg from the 90s
>multiple CDs
Yep I'm thinking it's still a snooze fest, get tons of coffee and cocaine to stay awake.

[Anonymous No.5920052]

>>5919328
>Is it really as bad as people say it is?
Huh? This is news to me.
Its probably the funnest one in terms of gameplay on the psx. exploration? meh. better left to 7. world building and theming? better left to 9. imagine this one like you're playing FF5. Its the psx ff entry that follows FF2 and FF5 as being the middle child on each console and having its gameplay deviate a bit more for the sake of satisfaction. give it a go.

[Anonymous No.5920426]

>>5919328
Play it.
Or not.
Why does it matter what others are sying?

[Anonymous No.5920472]

>>5919328
No Sega Boomers are just jelly.

[Anonymous No.5920495]

>>5919876
That's not how ID's work, it's a new ID for every thread. And it doesn't matter if we can ID the shitposters, because the shitposting and shitpost OP's never get deleted even when reported. Why would reporting it after we get ID's make any difference?

[Anonymous No.5920582]

>>5920495
This is important. Also keep in mind that shitposters often use at least 2 ids when posting. For example, if I make a ff8 shitpost on my pc, I can go onto my phone and turn off the wifi to post from a new ip and bump the thread with a false flag in an attempt to start an argument. Back on my old isp all I had to do was reset the router for a new ip...damn I miss those days.

[Anonymous No.5920934]

>/vr/- Final Fantasy VIII

[Anonymous No.5920963]

>>5919338
What would you rank as second worst?

[Anonymous No.5920970]

>>5919328

Weak story, weak character development, junction system is more a pain in the ass than it is an interesting feature for customization, overambitious project with a weak execution. The three redeeming factors are Triple Triad, the visuals, and it's got some of the most comfy music tracks in all of the FFs (i.e., Balamb Garden, Fisherman's Horizon, and Breezy).

[Anonymous No.5921224]

>>5919328

Quistis is best girl so it is good

[Anonymous No.5921234]

Final Gacktasy VIII is my favorite Final Gacktasy.

[Anonymous No.5921240]

>>5920970
>Weak story
Nope, the story is great. On par with some of the best video games ever made.
>weak character development
Maybe. Selphie, Quistis, Zell and Irvine are a little overshadowed by Squall and Rinoa.
> junction system is more a pain in the ass than it is an interesting feature for customization
Junction system is easy and gives the player complete numerical control over stats. You're likely just a double digit iq.
> overambitious project with a weak execution
The execution was great.

[Anonymous No.5921243]

>>5921234
This is my favorite Final Gacktasy VIII cutscene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLVRRepKCac

[Anonymous No.5921249]

I could never enjoy the draw/junction system so I never got far enough to care about any of the characters. The designs for the environments and monsters are really neat though. I just wish I could bring myself to play it.

[Anonymous No.5921449]

>>5919367
Don't call me a urinal cake. Ever.

[Anonymous No.5921456]

>>5921249
try and get into triple triad, its worth it just for that

[Anonymous No.5921786]

>>5919328
By far the best one with the best battle system. It's too good for Final Fantasy and should have been a SaGa game.

>>5919345
>>5919897

This

>>5919338
>>5919367

Plebs

[Anonymous No.5922203]

>people complaining about the story of a video game
If you care about a game's story you should be shot

[Anonymous No.5922247]

>>5922203
Having a double digit iq must be rough

[Anonymous No.5922701]

>>5922247
read a book nigger

[Anonymous No.5922785]

>>5919857
Best minigames ever made

[Anonymous No.5922791]

>>5919367
>say.
Good thing you made a typo there at the last word. Better luck next thread brainlet

[Anonymous No.5923013]

>>5922203
why play it then?

[Anonymous No.5923248]

>>5923013
the gameplay? the very thing that defines them? video games aren't art, they're toys at worst and sports at best

[Anonymous No.5923267]

>>5923248
>video games aren't art
That's where you're wrong, kid. Sure, not all video games aspire to that, such as Streets of Rage, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Pacman, etc. But some games aspire for more, and that's okay too. Just because you're too dull to appreciate things like Final Fantasy VIII, Silent Hill, OoT, doesn't mean that everyone else it.

[Anonymous No.5923310]

>>5920963
XII or Lightning Returns.

[Anonymous No.5923328]

>>5923267
let's put it this way, i'm not one for strict definitions of art. I use different definitions as heuristics which are good for different things. I assume that you interpret me saying "video games aren't art" as saying that video games are not GOOD ENOUGH art to be art. What I'm actually saying is that classifying video games as art in the same way that a book is art is a category error.

Let's take the widest definition of art I can think of, where everything created deliberately is art. In this definition, you could say that an amusement park is art. You have people organize it and decorate it, and you could look at a nice statue or fountain in the middle of the park, and you could say "hey that's art". But the problem is that the fountain doesn't exist for its own sake. It's exists as decoration for the actual point of the amusement park, the attractions. Sure a video game could have a story and nice visuals, but it's all secondary to the gameplay (the very thing that differentiates it as a medium).

If video games are art, they're art in the same way that an amusement park is art, not in the same way that a book or a movie is art.

pic related, Kojima agrees with me

[Anonymous No.5923330]

>>5923267
>>5923328
cont'd

[Anonymous No.5923594]

>>5923328
>amusement park
Amusement parks don't tell stories though. That's a truly retarded comparison.

[Anonymous No.5923705]

>>5923594
the story is secondary to the gameplay. It's literally decoration. please learn how to read

[Anonymous No.5923718]

>>5919328
Playing through it for the first time right now. It's weirdly different from every game prior to it, but I'm enjoying it so far.

[Anonymous No.5925709]

>>5919328
the game wasn't "bad" in any sense of the word
it was a multi-million dollar project and cinematic masterpiece & had to follow up FF7 one of the most hyped and popular RPGs of the time.


the story is the only game i ever cried at the end of
and is a complete mindfuck

[Anonymous No.5926207]

>>5919338
sorry but you're either trolling, or retarded if you think 13 is better than 8

[Anonymous No.5926385]

>>5919328
8 is really bad, both structurally and story-wise. But, it is still very enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.5926695]

>>5926207
13 is underappreciated kino. great graphics, great OST, suprisingly deep combat system. i know why purists hate it but it does its own thing decently well, although the cast of characters is so unlikeable comopared to say, X or VII.

[Anonymous No.5926753]

>>5926695
13 is 2/3 automated combat garbage. Get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.5926815]

>>5919328
This is my favorite FF game, never played beyone X though. It's the only adult one, the rest are for kiddies. Really enjoy it. probably depends on your personality, but people not playing it because it has a bad rep are missing out.

[Anonymous No.5926818]

>>5923718
Squall is the man. I hope you're not using a guide.

[Anonymous No.5926857]

>>5923248
You can literally play FF8 on pen and paper and lose nothing.

[Anonymous No.5926859]

>>5926753
It's ok that you're horrible at the game and don't understand how to play it, but that does mean your opinion of it is invalidated

[Anonymous No.5926890]

>>5926859
Are you saying that 2/3 of the combat isn't automated and you can control more than the party leader?

[Anonymous No.5926962]

>>5919328
There's just not much redeeming about the gameplay at all. If you're a storyfag maybe you'll like it even though it's mostly garbage, it might be up your alley.

[Anonymous No.5926983]

>>5926857
I can't replicate the experience of my Square button breaking because I used to mash it so much during the summon animations

[Anonymous No.5927643]

>>5926962
None of the FF games are that good for gameplay.

[Anonymous No.5927662]

>>5927643
Your IQ is just too low to appreciate the gameplay.

[Anonymous No.5927687]

>>5927662
Nah I like it, but lets not get carried away. I'm one of the few people these days that actually plays them without a guide the first time or two. I beat 8 without a guide, I didn't know it was harder the higher level you were (which is illogical), so I won at level 99, it was hard as fuck without proper tactics, gear, GF's etc haha.

[Anonymous No.5928287]

>>5927687
Never understood why people don't like the way the leveling in this works. Pretty much every other game out there rewards grinding with the game becoming braindead or necessitates grinding due to deliberately making things too difficult without it. FF8 takes out the need for grinding entirely and exclusively reserves it for those who WANT to do it, rewarding them with higher challenge and more options in terms of gameplay. It's, if anything, how more leveling systems SHOULD be.

[Anonymous No.5928298]

>>5926695
>VII
I'll never understand why people think FFVII's cast is likable. There's a couple exceptions, but so many of them are incredibly flat, archetypal characters with very little depth. Even the main villain's entire motivation and personality pretty much comes down to "I'm a child mentally with mommy issues and nobody understands me so fuck everyone!"

[Anonymous No.5928450]

>>5928287
Yeah it's OK, they probably should have balanced it though. But I had no idea being a high level would be negative, since it's basically the only game that does it, and you see your HP and attacks go up so assume battles will be easier.

[Anonymous No.5928452]

>>5928298
Exactly, it's shallow as, I really like FF8,a real rag tag team of unique characters who always act consistently with their personalities.

[Anonymous No.5928481]

If you like FF8, you're probably going to like it a lot. I do.
If you don't like it, you will hate it. It's very niche for an RPG.
When I first played 8 in 2000, I had just gotten out of juvie on a 12-18 month stint, so the military school order of the game hooked me instantly. And of course I was 14-15 at the time so Squall's faggotry appealed to me. Still does kind of. I like how he keeps his technical shit together but hates everyone trying to pile shit onto him because they assume his ordered nature makes him a natural leader.
NO I'm not. I'm just logical you fucking assholes.

Anyway. Selphie =3 POMF

[Anonymous No.5928495]

>>5928481
I played this game mostly when I was 13. I think my life would have turned a different direction if I had this image back then haha.

[Anonymous No.5928529]

>>5919345

>Having 100 Death junctioned to state attack (I'm from a spanish speaking country so I'm really just guessing how this things were called in your version)
>Every time I hit a monster it automatically dies

Once you got how that system worked it was awesome

[Anonymous No.5928538]

>>5921240

The story kinda falls apart after the basketball game.

[Anonymous No.5928582]

>>5928538
no spoilers

[Anonymous No.5928721]

>>5919345
>>5928529

Based. I LOVED messing with the junction system, like zombyfing enemies and then just use a phoenix donw on them. Amazing, I told a friend to play it together when we were like 18-20 years old, it was his first time and we were mesmerized by all the possibilities.

PD: Peter eres tú???

[Anonymous No.5929664]

>>5919328
It's really not a bad game at all. FFVIII is very much a product after FFVII's success and it shows in basically every aspect of the game.

The game turns the typical JRPG stuff on its head and it works. It's definitely a lot of fun and up there with V's and X-2's gameplay, but you really do have to enjoy and be good at Triple Triad and basically break and play with the game's systems to get the most fun out of it though that leads to you not having much of a challenge at all and the fun comes down to seeing just how OP you can get with the tools that the game gives you. The Junction system is treated as something complicated by the game itself but it really isn't. Though the game's dingy-looking and lacking UI makes everything look a lot more complicated and something closer to a foreboding debug menu.

Plot and character-wise. The game throws in shit that seems deep or cool and actively "outdoes" FFVII at the expense of a coherent plot at times. The majority of your party is unnecessary and go nowhere. Quistis and Seifer in particular have to be the most disappointing characters in the game in terms of their relevancy and motive in Seifer's case. The writing is probably the most Japanese of all the installments so you have some plot developments that seem cheesy if you're not familiar with typical J-drama writing and the plot twists are handled poorly. Crazy shit just happens that no one bats an eye at and you're supposed to accept it as just a part of the world but the game also takes itself so seriously that it feels like the bizarre elements should get more of a focus. It's really an experience to take in on your own.

All of this comes together and makes the game seem like some sort of surreal fever dream at times but that ends up giving you an atmosphere unmatched by most JRPGs, even up until now.

10/10 you should play it. Squall is also unironically one of the best FF protags.

[Anonymous No.5929961]

>>5929664
based post, high IQ

[Anonymous No.5930094]

>>5929664
>but you really do have to enjoy and be good at Triple Triad and basically break and play with the game's systems to get the most fun out
The worst part about triple triad is how unnatural it is to change region rules. Honestly you're just trading grinding draws for grinding cards. Using lv up/lv down plus steal/drop gets pretty much waht you need. You can also turn enemies into cards, which is nice for keeping your level low and refining cards. And somethings are just more efficient to draw, like full life (ruby dragons) and ultima (ultima weapon)

[Anonymous No.5930119]

>>5920970

All FF games had more forgettable characters than good ones. It gets much worse in IX and later on.

[Anonymous No.5930126]

>>5919328

It is.

>doubles down on realism, graphics, CGI movies,

This ruins the pacing. They think that this is what people liked about FF7. It was part of it, but they over did it, and it ruined the pacing.

>Characters are FF7 knock offs (and most of these plots go nowhere)

Rinoa = Aeris + Tifa
Quistis = Aeris looking second love interest
Squal = Cloud
Siefer = Sephioth
Selfie = Yuffie

The plot is basically "what if Cloud, Tifa, and Sephiroth had a love triangle?".

>rushed plot

The game was rushed out to capitalize on FF7's success and it shows. The plot progressively goes in odd directions and they drop things and add nonsenes.

>bland graphics

I just find the game visually rather bland. Bland realism.

[Anonymous No.5930294]

>>5930126

>Quistis = Aeris

[Anonymous No.5930528]

>>5919328
The card game thing made me hate it. I stopped playing it. The weapons are stupid looking and I don't want to see people. I liked what 2, 3 and 7 had.

[Anonymous No.5930991]

>>5919328
it's got an addictive card game that carries it through slow spots, overall out of 7, 8 and 9 it is the weakest but still a very strong rpg. it's not perfect but still a solid final fantasy game.

[Anonymous No.5931572]

i wouldnt read into it too much when the babbies say the game is shit. theyre just mad it wasnt final fantasy 7 part 2

[Anonymous No.5931601]

>>5921243
lol

[Anonymous No.5931641]

>>5919328
Worse.

[Anonymous No.5931675]

Wish I had the time I spent playing the game back... would have made better use of it. I put... 80 hours into it? The game punishes grinding... if you get above level 60 (this isn't difficult because you have to win battles to be able to junction summons with magic and be powerful) then the game gets extremely difficult and the only way to win is with limit break exploit (also called the Aura spell). Last boss can use permanent debuffs that make you weak as a kitten... have to kill quick... tough shove when they got 1mil hp. Let's assume you make it to last boss tho... there's a trap right before the end of the game which will catch you in an unwinnable boss fight if you come in unprepared (which you probably will). ...Or you could just not play the game... really it has no good qualities.

[Anonymous No.5933112]

>>5919328
There's a lot to like about FF8. It has one of the coolest aesthetics in the series and is extremely atmospheric, the story is very ambitious and overall pretty fun in a melodramatic sort of way, and of course the music is great. Ultimately, though, it's flawed in some pretty damning ways, with the gameplay being the worst offender.

It definitely has some really cool ideas, but the Junction system has two fatal flaws: First, it disincentivizes you from using like 90% of your abilities. Barring a couple of exceptions like Triple and Aura, it's basically never a good idea to cast a spell, use an item, or summon a Guardian Force. The optimal strategy basically from the start is to just spam physical attacks and Limit Breaks. Which sort of leads me to the second point, which is that the difficulty in FF8, barring the superboss, is 100% dependent on the player not actually understanding how it works. Once you actually know how to increase your stats and all the options available for acquiring spells (i.e. Triple Triad, which is admittedly the best mini-game in the series), you're about twenty minutes away from reaching godhood and can just button mash you're way through just about everything in the game. This isn't the normal level of ease that you see in a JRPG either, it's seriously braindead easy.

As far as the story goes, I think my biggest problem is the way the characters who aren't Squall and Rinoa fade into the background after a certain point. In FF7, its immediate predecessor and a game with a similarly sized cast, everyone except the optional party members get something to do, whether it's Barret's subplot with his hometown or Cid taking over while Cloud is comatose and eventually going into space. In FF8, though, everyone but the two leads stop being relevant at about the mid-point. Squall's development also takes some odd turns.

So probably not, but it's still one of my least favorite Final Fantasies.

[Anonymous No.5933131]

>>5919328
I really think it gets a bad rap for stupid reasons. It is an undeniable fact that the game has it's fair share of legitimate flaws, but it really is a very pleasant and worthwhile experience.

You won't find anything groundbreaking here, but you will find a wholly unique, engaging, and solid experience with FF8. It also has, IMO, one of the greatest endings of all time. You'll find a lot to enjoy with it- certainly a lot more than you'll hate. Unless you have autism, and I mean this with all seriousness. I imagine this is the type of game that makes people with autism absolutely seethe with rage.

[Anonymous No.5935420]

>>5919328
bump

[Anonymous No.5935434]

>>5931675
You're doing it wrong
>Acquire Siren, Diablos, and Odin
>Teach Diablos No-Enc
>Teach Siren Move-Find
>junction both
>Fly the Ragnarok to the Islands Closest to Heaven/Hell
>draw tons of the rarest magics so you can junction them to your parties stats
>Ultima/Meteor to Str, Triple to Mag, Full-Life to HP
>Turn off No-Enc, Save, fight some of the monsters on the island
>level up quick and obtain rare items to get the best weapons
etc etc

[Anonymous No.5935436]

>>5919876
IDs are only the same in threads, not across the entire board.

[Anonymous No.5935525]

>>5919328
You must have played the 3 ff on PS1 if you ever browse this board retard

[Anonymous No.5935749]

>>5919328
it's good. don't play it.

[Anonymous No.5935759]

>>5935434
which is obvious to everybody playing it for the first time.

[Anonymous No.5936723]

>>5930126
>Quistis = Aeris looking second love interest
Yeah right. Quistis' love was entirely one sided to an entirely laughable extent with how uncaring Squall is about her while she literally loses her job as a teacher because of him. They even write it off later in the story wish Quistis saying it was her repressed big sister nature from losing her memory or something dumb.

[Anonymous No.5936814]

>>5919328

9 was much worse. . . 8 is great!

Drawing abilities is kind of an odd mechanic though. Remaking 8 with 7 or 10s skill system would be a real treat!

[Anonymous No.5936825]

>>5935759
To be fair, FF8 is one of those games where they made certain things overly complicated so people would go out and buy guides.
I've done just about everything there is to do in this game including beating Omega Weapon, seeing the Easter eggs, going into the hidden debug menus, playing around Gameshark codes, and I still find the Queen of Cards quest to be a huge pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.5936871]

>>5933131
Yeah I feel the plot would probably go over autistic people's heads p easily