[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/vr/ - Retro Games

View post   
File: 34 KB, 619x495, 9D57CB53-6C8D-48C7-9162-40EE238E48E4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5917548 No.5917548 [Reply] [Original]

Name a flaw.

>> No.5917554

>>5917548
It was on the SOINY GAYSTATION

>> No.5917563

>>5917548
It's pretty much perfect as far as games go. Kiddies can make up micro complaints about shit nobody cares about, but 1 and 2 are pretty much peak game design for this kind of game that is only equalled by Mikami and Kamiya affiliated games.

>> No.5917565

Currently going to rescue Otacon. Defeated tank with 2 grenades. Epic!

>> No.5917590

>>5917548
After you finish the sniper wolf fight there's not much actual gameplay left.

>> No.5917614
File: 104 KB, 565x313, 51XhZye[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5917614

Warped textures, too.

>> No.5917618

>no first person aiming

>> No.5917619

>>5917548
>Name a flaw.
You didn't post VR Missions.

>> No.5917721

>>5917548
cd rot and game breaking scratches

>> No.5917734

>>5917548
It doesn't hold up in current year, meanwhile 2 and 3 are still amazing.

>> No.5917752

>>5917548
Too many story sequences to skip through when you do your annual run.

>> No.5917754
File: 124 KB, 300x258, ps1_metalgearsolidvrmissions_front.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5917754

>>5917619
This. The real meat is in the VR Missions which get left out of subsequent re-issue collections.

>> No.5917812

>>5917548
It has none. This is one reason why I'm still jealous of Playstation owners because nobody could make anything that compares to Metal Gear Solid 1.

>> No.5917881

>>5917752
Skipping cutscenes is for fucking plebs, just don't do it.

>> No.5917897

>worse than b-movie tier story
>bad camera

>> No.5917917

>>5917897
One of the most popular video game stories ever. Perfect camera for the gameplay, coupled with controls based around it, and a revolutionary radar system that allowed complete mastery of the game down to a science.

>> No.5917920

Backtracking

>> No.5917956

>>5917548
Number 1.
too little actual gameplay
Number 2.
hence frequent and long gameplay interruption to stretch game-time with cut-scenes, radio-transmissions etc. etc.
Number 3.
3D gaem, but offers nothing in terms of verticality. You might as well recreate the whole game on MG2 engine and loose nothing gameplay-wise
therefore Number 4.
main gameplay mechanics rely on the 2D minimap, which only takes roughly 1/8th of the screen

the game would have been so much better if it was only VR mission, but double the number.

>> No.5917989

>>5917548
Bad gimmicky ideas like looking at the back of the box for Meryl's frequency or changing the controller's port
Also I don't like the last 2 fights of the game, especially the second one, it suffers a lot from the game's limitations (a.k.a. hand to hand combat is shit)

>>5917554
>>5917812
There was a PC port

>> No.5917998

>>5917554
Lol based

>> No.5918003

>>5917989
>looking at the back of the box for Meryl's frequency
That was copy protection, not just a gimmick.

>> No.5918023

>>5918003
you could just try every frequency, how is that copy protection?

>> No.5918031

>>5918003
I think it was both copy protection and Kojima trying to be cool

>> No.5918095

>>5917917
>One of the most popular video game stories ever.
According to you and no one else.
>Perfect camera for the gameplay
Shit camera for shit gameplay?
>>5917956
This is true. Except I think VR missions get boring too fast.

>> No.5918102

>>5917881
Its not jist cutscenes. Some of those codec calls go on forever.

>> No.5918196

>>5917548
Should have just been a movie

>> No.5918220

>makes /vr/ upset
based

>> No.5918229

>>5918095
Yeah, MGS is popular only according to me... Just give it a rest dude, we get it, you're special.

>> No.5918242

>>5917917
>One of the most popular video game stories ever
Yeah, back when i was 12 i thought it was cool, but whenever i look back at the series now i realize just how edgy, wordy, silly, and over the top it is. In story telling more is not always better, and the whole metal gear plot/storyline is so necessarily complex and convoluted. I wouldn't say it's BAD, its entertaining in it's own way, but more often than not it's slogging complexity is mistakenly labeled as some sort of incredibly deep masterpiece.

>> No.5918314

>>5918242
The story in the first MGS is simple enough and easy to follow. It's just pants on head retarded.

>> No.5918345

>*walks a few steps for a 5 minute cutscene/codec call*

>> No.5918371

>>5917548
PSX version. Very low resolution and bad blurring effects which can't be removed even with emulation.

>> No.5918393

>>5917548
It breaks suspension of disbelief
>Let's send our super-soldier out on an incredibly important and dangerous mission
>We've spent God knows how much money on tracking him down from out of hiding, doing reconnaissance on the facility, and setting up our communications networks.
>But we're not going to spend anything getting him actual weapons, it's "on site procurement".

>> No.5918398 [DELETED] 

>>5917548
>not enough (good) stealth design, devolves into a boss rush halfway through the game
>too much backtracking to pad the game out, e.g. getting the sniper rifle, PAL keys, etc.
>too many cutscenes, popularized the moviegame which plague the modern videogames industry
>main theme is plagiarized from Sviridov's Winter Road, rest of the OST is nothing special

>> No.5918409

It's better than Thief but not as good as Tenchu.

>> No.5918437 [DELETED] 

>>5918409
Thief > Splinter Cell > Hitman > Tenchu > MGS

>> No.5918439

>>5918437
Other way around.

>> No.5918486 [DELETED] 

>>5918439
kys anti-thief zoomer

>> No.5918487

>>5918486
cope westcuck.

>> No.5918501

>>5917548

Looking back: the controls and camera are a bitch and later series refined it a lot. So it's pretty good for its era.

But remember, this was 1998, and they had little to go on for 3D games. They had Resident Evil, and a few other games. Fully 3D and transitioning 2D to 3D was all new, and most of them didn't work. One area they really wanted to fix was picking up items. By making it more abstract, than realistic, it eases picking up items. Just think of Resident Evil style games where you awkwardly move your character to pick up and item and keep failing. nah, make that shit big huge and spinning so it's obvious.

>> No.5918527

>>5918501
>Fully 3D and transitioning 2D to 3D was all new
In 1998? Like hell it was.

>> No.5918557

>>5918527

Doing it well? Yeah. 1994-1998 is pure experiemnt time for 3D. And transitioning 2D series to 3D was still problematic. MG is one of the only series that did the transition and survived, along with Zelda. Castlevania, metal Slug, Mega Man, Contra, etc most didn't make the transition. These are still 2D series.

>> No.5918567

>>5918023
>>5917989
I agree the frequency thing is bad practice, but there were far worse examples of that. I remember Prince of Persia on the DOS would send you to an extra room in between every stage. It would tell you to look up some code in the manual, then go to the corresponding door. If you got it wrong you would start back from the beginning of the game. That was a common was for """"copy protection"""", even if it wasn't effective. I remember at Blockbuster they printed the code on the back of the rental case.

>> No.5918573

>>5917548
I remember the Rex fight being pretty frustrating because of the controls. Other than that, I loved it though.

>> No.5918579

>>5918573

Run run pew pew
run run pew pew

One of the easier fights in the game.

>> No.5918582

>>5918527
Quake just came out in 1996. The implementation of real in game 3d graphics was still being figured out by 1998 a lot of people, honestly. In fact, camera issues like getting stuck in walls or behind enemies were common complaints about games even into gen six.
>>5918557
Also Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon. I think it was impressive Konami figured out 3d adventure games as well as they did before Ocarina of Time was released. I see it called a Zelda clone a lot when it came out before it did.

>> No.5918596

>>5918579
I remember aiming the Stinger while under fire seemed nearly impossible, so I probably was just doing something wrong. I think I had more trouble with that than any other boss fight in the game.

>> No.5918601

>>5918557
>problematic

>> No.5918604

combat sequences (the stairs, the Jeep) sucked. Still one of my favs. A masterpiece but still a little flawed

>> No.5918613

>>5918393
Yet Kohima let snake shove cigarettes up his ass

>> No.5918618

>>5918242
Well, compare it to anything else of the time. The writing does have a lot of depth comparatively, especially using the video game medium. Actually revolutionary.

>> No.5918626
File: 144 KB, 711x686, Screenshot_20191001-062323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5918626

>>5917956
>offers nothing in terms of verticality
Except the best verticle sequence in gaming history

>> No.5918664

>>5918393
Just Patriots gathering combat information. Solid didn't bring a gun to Zanzibar Land, so he doesn't bring one now, and he wouldn't be much of a super-soldier if he couldn't cope.

>> No.5918692

>>5918618
That doesn't make it good.

>> No.5918703
File: 626 KB, 652x562, 1535870587889.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5918703

>>5917548
it should be a fps or ots shooter with more action I shouldn't have to hide from enemies its also too hard and i should have mission objectives and an arrow telling me where to go and what to do at all times

>> No.5918707

>>5918626
The best intermission in videogame history.

>> No.5918723

>>5918626
NOT RETRO

>> No.5918748

>>5917614
>not playing it on the DC

You fucked up son

>> No.5919614

>>5918626
What a thrill...

>> No.5919630

>>5918703
This is how I feel about (not-retro) Bioshock 2

>> No.5919648

>>5918573
In my opinion, if there is a reliable way to no damage a boss, and it's somewhat challenging to do, it's well designed in that respect, bosses in the first two were amazing, especially with thw differences in difficulty settings, from 3 on they were too easy.
>>5918393
ITT: Microcomplaints literally nobody actually cares about.
>>5918242
It's over the top on purpose though, and that's part of what made it work, same as Kamiya and Mikami games.

>> No.5919823

>>5919648
>they meant for it to be bad so it's actually good
Based Kojima. What a fucking legend and an actual genius.

>> No.5919826

>>5918409
Thief is better than both, but MGS is still far below Tenchu.

>> No.5919831

>>5919823
They meant for it to be over-the-top, if you like it or not is up to you and doesn't apply to anyone else. Many people liked it, hence it is a famous, well selling series, but apparently you didn't like it.

>> No.5919836

>>5919831
Yeah, I don't like mediocre movie games. The game is style over substance and the style isn't even particularly stylish. I get why people liked it back then (but even then, a lot of people didn't), but I don't get why there is still such a rabid defense force dedicated to it.

>> No.5919842

>>5919836
Usually when you go out of your way to define something widely acclaimed as a classic as mediocre people have an adverse reaction. Kind of like watching people enjoy something and then telling them, no, they didn't actually have fun. I guess for some reason people kind of get the impression that your head is up your own ass. Ah well, fuck 'em.

>> No.5919885

>>5919842
True. It's really up there with acclaimed masterpiece classics like the truly cinematic The Last of Us, and the Citizen Kane of video games, BioShock Infinite.

>> No.5919890

Controls can be a bit stiff at times. But besides that, top 5 game of all time.

>> No.5919915

>>5919885
If you like those games, more power to you, but those games are already experiencing their fame fading, where MGS stood the test of time.

>> No.5919926

>>5917812
Goldeneye and PD are better

>> No.5920079

>>5919915
Nuh uh.

>> No.5920440

>>5919630
isn't the whole bioshock-series basically push-button-to-win anyway?

>> No.5920461

>>5917548
It had a black person in it.

>> No.5920470

>>5919826
lol no.

>> No.5920473

>>5919836
>>5919885
>>5920079
ok beep

>> No.5920479

>>5920461
Technically only a black person's corpse.

>> No.5920493

>>5917754
It comes with the Legacy Collection which is the only collection you'd need.

>> No.5920496

>>5919926
Yeah they're great but they're not the same kind of game that MGS is. That's like saying F-Zero X is better than Crash Bandicoot, they're completely different so it's obviously a matter of opinions.

>> No.5920502

>>5917989
>There was a PC port
I know, I've got a disc of that. Too bad I'm a console pleb and prefer to play it on a playstation instead.

>> No.5920510

The bulk of the entire game is played on the minimap.

>> No.5920516

>>5920510
>he doesn't play on the difficulty which wasn't in the original japanese release which essentially breaks the game by removing the minimap
Yikes.

>> No.5920993

>>5918626
this is literally 1D, dude

>> No.5921002
File: 24 KB, 544x424, 119793-metal-gear-2-solid-snake-msx-screenshot-snake-is-crawling.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5921002

i'm just going to say it..

Metal Gear 2 is the peak of the series!!!

>> No.5921502

no nudity

>> No.5921506

>>5917734
twin snakes, holds up almost as well as 2 and 3.

>> No.5921554

>>5921002
if mg2 had the same snake sprite as mg1 it would be fucking great, but i cant stand his running animation in 2

>> No.5921557

>>5917754
substance has the besr vr missions, fruit loop.

>> No.5921613
File: 61 KB, 835x624, thfeivsmgs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5921613

>>5917548
>Name a flaw.
REUFTE ME IF YUO CAN NIGGO

>> No.5921642

>>5921613
hi beepzorz not getting enough upvotes on reddit?

>> No.5921672

>>5921613
now this is epic

>> No.5921684

>>5921642
I had to google to know what the fuck you were blabbering about while you apparently knew this random reddit user by name and lets him live rent free for some reason. Makes you think.

>> No.5921690

>>5921613
mgs is a military scifi drama, it was designed to revolve around the story. if you dont like the story, well thats your opinion, but the game is a great package of cinematic vidya.

>> No.5921692

>>5917548
Releasing the same year as Thief

>> No.5921709

>>5921692
>>5921613
thief sucks

>> No.5921712

>>5921684
you are not fooling anyone redditor.

>> No.5922017

>>5921690
>You may not like it, but it's objectively amazing
Ok, cringe.

>> No.5922352

>>5921690
>game is a great package of cinematic vidya
which is a fancy way of saying it lacks actual gameplay time

>> No.5922435

>>5917548
It's not Twin Snakes

>> No.5922670

>>5917548
What if I don't like that genre of video game? What if I like walking backwards uphill on my hands? What if you suck camel dick because you're a massive faggotty zoophile?

>> No.5922826 [DELETED] 

its not bing bing wahoo enough for me op

>> No.5922837

>>5922670
>its not bing bing wahoo enough for me op

>> No.5923097

>>5920470
yes

>> No.5923102

>>5923097
no.

>> No.5923103

>>5923102
yes
/thread

>> No.5923112

>>5923103
NO
//THREAD

>> No.5923124

>>5922352
the gameplay is cinematic

if you don't know what this means you don't understand why you're playing games

>> No.5923134

>>5918409
this

>> No.5923149

>>5918748
>Metal Gear Solid on Dreamcast
>on Dreamcast
>Dreamcast
All of my what?

>> No.5923153

>>5917618
There is but only during the Jeep escape.

>> No.5923165
File: 172 KB, 827x491, bleemcast.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5923165

>>5923149

>> No.5923176

>>5918095
you'r actually a idiot.

>> No.5923361
File: 28 KB, 312x421, Metal_Gear_2_Boxart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5923361

>>5917548
okay, i'll bite. I am a huge mgs fan. but let's get started.
>It is a pseudo remake of MetalGear2:SolidSnake with a similar story and elements(rescue a young woman who falls in love with snake. find a disguised woman who is a solider. GrayFox and Number 1 fan guide snake...ETC)
>playing the game without cutscenes is too damn short
>the only thing to make game play longer is by back tracking
>majority of the areas of the games don't have guards patroling, making the game seem empty and isolating at moments.
>8 patrol areas. Caverns, Heliport, Tank Hanger, B2 of tank hanger, Nuke building 1st floor, Nuke building B1, Blast furnace, Raven Boss Room, and just One guard to throw off the player in rex's layer.
>you can exploit you footsteps to be quiet by equipting and unequiping your weapon fast.
>the increasing health bar and ration/ammo capacity makes the game too easy as you progress. the curve goes backwards
>the guards have terrible vision and hearing despite Naomi saying their senses are "high developed"
>you get automatically shot when you try to run past an invisible wall during Sniper Wolf fights.
> you have to akwardly hold X and Square to aim while running, while avoiding not to accidently shoot or crawl

it's an amazing game and i love it to bits, but when you've completed it about 50 or 60 times, you start to like it less and less.

>> No.5923365

>>5921002
fucking based!

>> No.5923379

>>5923176
Butiful post i will have it framed

>> No.5923391

>>5923361
>when you've completed it about 50 or 60 times
This has to be satire. Do you contribute to the autistic monstrosity that is the fandom wiki for this series?

>> No.5923405
File: 23 KB, 512x512, captainfeeney.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
5923405

>>5923391
it legit is my favorite franchise, and i do learn new optional lore and secrets from the community and playthroughs. i take the info from the wiki with a grain of salt desu.
but just as a 5 year old, i just loved the game and it just impacted and stuck with me as a great game.
i guess the most autistic stuff i've done would be arguing with zelda fans on how mgs is better than OOT(i think its over-rated), but that's a topic for another day

>> No.5923427

>>5923405
Fascinating. That wiki has some of the most autistically retarded shit I've ever read.
I do agree with your criticism btw, although I was never a huge fan of the game.

>> No.5923436

>>5923361
>Soccom Suppressor makes the game 10 times easier, along with the higher health bar as you progress as mentioned ealier

>> No.5923652

>>5917618
>>5923153
There is, but on PC Master Race version.

Consolebabbies getting BTFO as always.

>>5923361
MG 2 is shite. It's worse than MG 1.

>> No.5923664

>>5917548
my main complaint is that the boss fights are pretty lame. sure the story that revolves around them is good but they can be complete ass (psycho mantis, sniper wolf, even liquid was a pain)

>> No.5923750

pacman stealth

>> No.5923768

Not being Thief.

>> No.5923787

>>5923750
>>5923768
cope thiefdditors.

>> No.5924650

>>5923652
>MG 2 is shite
Have you even played it?
It's MGS.
Gonna bet you haven't played it.

>> No.5924805

kojimas over-dialogue syndrome

>> No.5924981

>>5918023
>tfw had the game and did this anyway after running around the complex trying to interact with every computer in the game
Set me back about 2 weeks when I found an actual CD case on a table in the game

>> No.5925014

>>5924650
not the same anon. i played something called metal gear 2 i rented from block buster as a kid. im 99% sure it was a unlicensed knock off. idk who was making the shit but it was a crappy side scroller and your in a bipedal mech walking down a street and can get out. not a metal gear game and it was shitty who ever made it should get jail time. im pretty sure that was a american company that doesnt exist anymore making illegal tm infringing content without paying for licensing rights