/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5910635]

Is this the best controller for /vr/? seems to me it works best for pretty much everything. It's the closest to a /vr/ controller as you're gonna get. I tried some of those third party USB NES controllers but they had a shit d-pad and it seems everywhere I look no matter for what "retro" style controller like nes/snes, I always see complaints about the d-pad being garbage. Why is it so fucking hard to just make a good d-pad? even microsoft couldn't get this shit right with the 360 gamepad.

[Anonymous No.5910763]

>>5910635
>Is this the best controller for /vr/?
I don't know about "best", but I have one and it seems pretty good. I've not had any trouble with it, and It's comfortable to use.

[Anonymous No.5910772]

>>5910635
The d pad on PlayStation controllers are terrible.

[Anonymous No.5910782]

>>5910635
That or one of the fighting game pads they have if you don't care about anything with analog sticks.

[Anonymous No.5910783]

>>5910772
Lol, the dpad is why I like them so much. Funny how that works. DS dpad is the best dpad in history.

[Anonymous No.5910789]

>>5910635
Reminder that the PS dpad which was overwhelmingly the worst compared to Saturn or N64, is now considered to be """good""" in the current era. What happened?

[Anonymous No.5910790]

>>5910789
>What happened?
Xbox dpads.

[Anonymous No.5910814]

As far as just going to any game store and picking one up, yes it's the best controller you can get for /vr/ games.
I've been using a DS3 for years and I've never had an issue. It may not be THE best for certain hardcore games like shmups (that would go to the saturn controller), but it's still miles ahead of anything xbox or third party shit. Seriously stay the fuck away from third party retro controllers unless they say hori on them, they're going to be shit.
>>5910789

>N64
the dpad feels good enough but try playing something like killer instinct and you'll see it misses diagonal inputs constantly.

[Anonymous No.5910817]

>>5910789
A solid + will always be trash to me the segmentation and gentle inward curve of the DS4 is great for everything. The DS4 is the best sony pad to date and the plethora of what people call "gimmicks" makes it ideal for emulating consoles with motion controls and touchscreen functions.

[Anonymous No.5910889]

>>5910789
Imagine having taste this bad. Good lord man.

[Software and so on No.5910895]

Just put a fucking circle cut out of a Pringles can lid behind the dpad on your 360 controller and it magically becomes favorably comparable to a Saturn dpad.

Inb4 this post gets pruned for unknown reasons like it has been multiple times when I've made it in other threads. Madness.

[Anonymous No.5910906]

>>5910895
I heard this works and it's fairly easy to make vast improvements to the 360's dpad, but in the end you'd still be stuck with the dpad in the "secondary" position and it just doesn't feel as good. Dualshocks are great because they have analog sticks and dpads without making either one feel like an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.5910984]

>>5910772
The D-pad on the ds4 is different from it's predecessors though because the segments are much closer to each other. Its easy to forget the d-pad is actually segmented when using it.

[Anonymous No.5911028]

>>5910635
I use the iBuffalo SNES USB controller and the d-pad is fine.

[Anonymous No.5911113]

>>5910783
>subjective is objective

[Anonymous No.5911115]

>>5910889
found the zoomer. this was common back then

[Anonymous No.5911171]

I have been switching between xbox one and cheap old logitech controller (pic related).
The xbox d-pad is more precise, but it feels like I have to move my thumb more. It's comfortable, even for longer sessions.
The logitech is more spongy but travel is shorter and faster. Thumb feels sore after a day of play, tho.
I really want something with good balance between precision, travel and comfort, but I'm still skeptical about trying a DS4.
What does it have that others don't, outside fast bluetooth?

[Anonymous No.5911173]

The Wii Classic Controller/Pro is severely underrated

[Anonymous No.5911190]

>>5911173
probably because it needs an adapter.

[Anonymous No.5911194]

>>5910635
Yes, PS4 controller is my favorite. Works natively for Steam now too so you have old games covered and newer ones too so you don't have to switch controllers. I've never had a problem with it being recognized for any game in any emu either. It's great. My Xbone controller's d-pad was fucking trash and broke within 2 years. PS4 one is much more responsive and durable too.

[Anonymous No.5911196]

>>5910635
All I know is don't get an 8bitdo, fucking thing always wants ro go diaganle

[Anonymous No.5911201]

I use my XB360 for the retro games on emulator, but I play most retro games on native hardware anyway.

[Anonymous No.5911203]

>>5911196
Have you tried not being fat?
>diaganle
And not being retarded?

[Anonymous No.5911232]

>>5911203
spell check is a bitch
the controller has a known issue with it's diagonal inputs being too sensitive
I heard you can fix it though with some tape but I haven't tried it yet

If the new version fixes this then i'd get one

[Software and so on No.5911234]

>>5910906
The analog sticks on Playstation controllers are literally an afterthought lol

[Anonymous No.5911236]

>>5910635
I'm not sold on this thing.
Touchpad and gyros might as well be useless bloat. You have to tear it down, if you want to remove the battery.
Are buttons, d-pad and sticks a class above the xbone controller? If not, why bother?

[Software and so on No.5911249]

>>5911236
I recently picked up some generic wired Xbone/PS4 controller for $1 from this place that sells Amazon castoffs in big bins, kind of like dumpster diving used to be. The TouchPad will not work as a pointing device on PC in either PS4 or Xbone mode.

[Anonymous No.5911251]

The best controller is the xbox elite one. It has flippers.

[Anonymous No.5911256]

>>5911113
That's the joke I was trying to make, yes.

[Anonymous No.5911283]

>>5911249
Well, that's a bummer. Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.5911286]

>>5910889
>good taste is bad
What did the zoomer mean by this?

[Anonymous No.5911340]

>>5910817
No. Vita's Dpad is way better than the DS4's

[Anonymous No.5911349]

>>5911286
I'm 31. How does enjoying PS/DS controllers make someone a zoomer?

[Anonymous No.5911364]

The Retrobit Megadrive 6 button controller and the Xbone controllers are doing well for me.

[Anonymous No.5911463]

>>5910984
>d-pad is actually segmented
You
DUMB
FUCKING
NIGGER
PS dpads are NOT segmented, they're a solid chunk of plastic.

[Anonymous No.5911484]

>>5911463
>they're a solid chunk of plastic
Yet there is a shell over them, which gives the feeling of a segmented d-pad for more precision in movement. DS d-pad is superior. Deal with it you low iq ape.

[Anonymous No.5911503]

>>5910635
>start and select are a touchpad
>could have, but didn't use the amazing Vita d-pad
fucking gross

[Anonymous No.5911510]

>>5910814
I prefer ds4 over ds3 because the ds3 feels like a cheap piece of fisherprice plastic.

[Anonymous No.5911530]

>>5910635
The issue with a lot of third party controllers is they're under the assumption that people aren't going to be hammering those d-pads. Controllers should be at least built to take some abuse(think about those guys who play melee on the gamecube controller) but a lot of these third party controller makers are too fucking retarded to realize that the d-pad is like the most used button on a controller usually.

[Anonymous No.5911531]

>>5911173
>no L3/R3
so close to perfection
just the original CC though, the sticks are too long on the "Pro"

>>5911503
"start" and "select" are immediately to the left and right of the touchpad you fuckin goof

[Anonymous No.5911613]

>>5910772
This, only zoomers like it

[Anonymous No.5911618]

>>5911531
I was playing Diablo III on my brother's and remember having to use the touchpad for those buttons, but kept pressing that useless "Options" button out of habit, instead. Don't BS me, snoy.

[Anonymous No.5911819]

DS2 was perfection once the d-pad's broken in.

[Anonymous No.5912018]

>>5911819
What is a good adaptor for PS2 to PC?

[Anonymous No.5912043]

>>5911819
>once the d-pad's broken in

Ive ben playing SF Anniv OCllection on PS2 and im having such a hrd time adjusting to this dpad, coming from Snes i tsill fuck up trying to do special moves.

That pic reminds me that im only missing the red and yellow controllers to have the full colllection.

[Anonymous No.5912113]

>>5911819
>that yellow
I've never seen one that color, did it not come out in America?

[Anonymous No.5912152]

Were the transforming d-pad LE 360 controllers good?
Regular 360 controller d-pads were pretty terrible.

[Anonymous No.5912225]

>>5912113
>>5912113
>did it not come out in America?

It did,
https://consolevariations.com/variation/controller/playstation-2-clear-lemon-yellow

i saw them brand new back in the day, but ive never found one in the wild yet... one of these days tho, the green one i have 2 and ive been seeing one at the lfea market i go every weekend for $2 but i dont want it.

[Anonymous No.5912227]

>>5912113
by the way, that pic is missing the clear smoke one, i have it too but its pretty rough, scratched and a crack on one of the handles.

[Anonymous No.5912247]

I use a xbone bluetooth controller, its pretty comfy. cant think of anything better in terms of ergonomics
but arcade sticks can be fun if you really wanna relive that retro feel

[Anonymous No.5912659]

>>5910635
Additionally, ds4 connected with bluetooth has lower latency than just about anything else available.

[Anonymous No.5912671]

STAND BACK PEASANTS
It has a really good dpad imo but it's overpriced as shit.

[Anonymous No.5912840]

>>5912671
That dpad looks like garbage compared to DS. What is wrong with you?>>5912671

[Anonymous No.5912856]

>>5912840
Feels like > looks like

[Anonymous No.5912869]

>>5912671
What in the FUCK is that!?!?

[Anonymous No.5912874]

>>5910635
Bow to your new king, peasants.

[Anonymous No.5912913]

Is there any kind of common understanding on what makes a good dpad? Because the older I get and the more opinions I hear on the subject that just baffles me, the more I'm convinced it's more subjective than gets admitted.

[Anonymous No.5912925]

>>5912874
This is real.

[Anonymous No.5912928]

>>5912925
They know their audience and how to make money.

[Best Boy No.5912969]

>>5912913
Basically, what makes a good dpad is "comfort" (subjective) and "precision" (objective). The Nintendo "cross" style dpad was a brilliant creation to give tactile feedback ("precision") by unequivocally separating the cardinal directions. The original Playstation controller is essentially a rip-off of the SNES controller but the "cross dpad" was distinct enough Sony felt the need to create something decidedly different but it still follows this philosophy it just does it in a way that I personally think is a little worse in terms of comfort because you end up dragging your thumb across the edges of the plastic X that separates the segments.

Notice how advocates of these type of pads (Nintendo and Sony style) rarely complain about the "mushiness", they complain about false diagonals. That's because they can absolutely feel with their thumbs when they're pressing "left" and if the pad is too soft and can rock too far then it'll also register a "down" at the same time.

But we live in the future. This design philosophy has been arguably invalid ever since the Saturn 2 controller came along and proved that a "bowl" shaped pad can be "precise" by giving tactile feedback from the actual contact rather than the artificial tactile feedback from a cross or segmented dpad - and I believe that a "bowl" is the most comfortable, though the texture and pattern of its surface matters a lot.

These days there's absolutely no reason that any dpad should not be giving "true" tactile feedback and indeed WiiU Pro controllers and DS4 controllers do but they still use their legacy dpad form for the purposes of branding and with the additional benefit of all gaming back on the fake tactile feedback of and when their membranes or domes get beat to hell.

Conversely, modern controllers with "bowl" dpads rely much more heavily on the actual feel of the underlying "mechanism" and if it's too soft gamers will instantly call it "mushy", the unmodified 360 dpad being a prime example.

[Anonymous No.5912991]

>>5912925
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.5912997]

>>5912969
Actually a good post.

[Anonymous No.5913003]

>>5912969
See
>>5912997

[Anonymous No.5913013]

>>5911173
it has a great d-pad, maybe even better than DS4, but the one without the handles fucking sucks. analog sticks too close together and it just holds weird in the hand

[Anonymous No.5913701]

>>5912874
this looks comfy, but no reason to pick it over my xbone controller

[Anonymous No.5913708]

>>5910635
Among the worst actually

[Anonymous No.5913710]

>>5910635
It's the one I settled on after research. I didn't necessarily want to spend $55, but the reviews that were telling me the $30 non-console controllers were actually good were telling me similar things about $20 garbage that I know are shit from experience.

So this guy's solid. Works for both retro and modern. Kind of wish it had a standard start and select though.

[Anonymous No.5914357]

>>5912925
lel

[Anonymous No.5914968]

>>5912874
this is the correct reply

[Anonymous No.5915673]

>>5910635
No dont buy the gold colour. The actual controller is colored like a bandaid and only the plate is gold. It makes me feel like I'm playing a controller made of flesh and I hate it.

[Anonymous No.5915897]

>>5912874
Looks decent, but DS4 is still better

[Anonymous No.5915932]

This is the best controller for /vr/ games.

[Anonymous No.5916226]

>>5915932
Lol

[Anonymous No.5916282]

>>5916226
I don’t know why you’d laugh, it’s a micro switch 6 button controller that works on a modern OS.

[Anonymous No.5916368]

>>5915932
good buttons but I dont like the dpad. its mushy
I have the older black version though

[Anonymous No.5916402]

>>5910635
if you're forced to use emulation, then yeah, it's the best. almost any wired controller connected to real hardware is better though

[Anonymous No.5916804]

If I want a dualshock for emulation which is the best? ds2,3, or 4?

[Anonymous No.5916806]

Does anyone know how well those adaptors for old video game controllers work? like for snes/NES

[Anonymous No.5916807]

>>5916806
also what I mean are adaptors to use the original controllers not the shitty 3rd party knockoff ones like OP is talking about.

[Anonymous No.5916885]

Just wait for this to come out

[Anonymous No.5916890]

>>5916885
>>5912874
>>5912671
>>5911819
>>5910782
>>5910635
>all these controllers with exactly the same layout
assuming you arent cheaping out on the lowest end chink shit, whats even the difference?

[Anonymous No.5916907]

>>5916890
Are you blind? The one I posted has 6 face buttons, not 4, and the design is akin to the saturn controller, so the d-pad should feel different. It could be literally the best for controller for emulation, as its button layout can accommodate to almost every system you can think of

[Anonymous No.5916952]

>>5916885
been waiting patiently
hopefully it won't be too much longer, because it would be just what I need to finish my clamshell rpi portable

[Best Boy No.5916960]

>>5916806
Good to bad. Raphnet has a good reputation but some cheaper adapters work great you just have to do your research.

[Anonymous No.5917645]

>>5916890
Price
Availability as brand new
QC
Dpad feel / accuracy
Facebuttons marking / number
Button feel / type
Trigger or not.
Stick feel.
etc

[Anonymous No.5917779]

>>5912152
I loved em while they lasted but the transforming makes them incredibly fragile and mine broke in about 6 months to a year.

[Anonymous No.5917784]

>>5916885
Question, how the everliving fuck does this work? I wanna play quake with it but I doubt the right stick works with the camera.

[Best Boy No.5917794]

>>5917784
I'm sure it reads as an Xinput

[Anonymous No.5917808]

>>5917794
No I mean on the Saturn itself. Would I still be able to use the right stick as a camera in Saturn Quake?

[Best Boy No.5917847]

>>5917808
If you emulate it and reconfigure the inputs in the emulator. If you use whatever dongle they release to plug it into an actual Saturn is virtually guaranteed that it'll just work the same as a Saturn controller and the sticks will do nothing. MAYBE the left stick will work as a Saturn analog stick but even that's only 50/50

[Anonymous No.5917902]

>>5912969
what about the neogeo CD thumbstick with microswitches?

[Anonymous No.5918093]

>>5916885
When was it announced, early 2018?

[Anonymous No.5918156]

>>5917779
thank you

[Best Boy No.5918163]

>>5917902
Well that's a whole other story. It's really built more like a tiny joystick.

[Anonymous No.5919870]

>>5910635
Oh, it's good.

[Anonymous No.5919891]

>>5916885
Those sticks look ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.5920867]

Other than glossy surface this controller is the best ever made. Infinitely versatile. Very precise next-gen d pad.

[Anonymous No.5920882]

>>5920867
Lol fuck off you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.5920961]

>>5920867
The d-pad is the worst part. If it had a normal d-pad and a normal right stick it would be the best controller ever made.

[Anonymous No.5920972]

>>5920867
I've had one and I don't use it at all for anything. Extremely dislike that controller. Maybe I'll give it another shot, but it just didn't feel right for anything.

[Anonymous No.5920978]

>>5920867

[Anonymous No.5921039]

>>5920867
I want to like it but it’s pretty hard to get used to

[Anonymous No.5921047]

Is pic related any good?

[Anonymous No.5921051]

>>5911173
Great pad just sucks that buttons cant be remapped in virtual console games

[Anonymous No.5921071]

>>5920867
I really like this controller... for specific purposes. I would probably not use it for any retro console games

[Anonymous No.5921162]

>>5920978
lel

[Anonymous No.5921237]

>>5910635
I use an oem GameCube controller with a 3rd party adapter for PC. Feels pretty damn good. I've always loved how comfy it feels in the hand. I use DS4 for non-nintendo emulation though.

[Anonymous No.5921253]

>>5920867
This controller has ruined me. I recently picked my DS4 back up after using the Steam Controller for years and the DS4 is so incredibly uncomfortable now.
What the hell were they thinking with the sticks that can't decide whether they're convex or concave? Why is the d-pad so stiff?

[Anonymous No.5921446]

>>5915932
I have both this version and the PS4/Pasé version. Overall a great controller, never had issues with it.

[Anonymous No.5921457]

Suprised nobody's posted this yet, probably the best general controller for 2d

[Anonymous No.5922554]

>>5911530
There's not a whole lot of money to be made in controllers. They can't hire the best of the best in industrial design. Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft/SEGA can bury those costs in the console R&D budget, but MadCatz has to amortise that into the per unit cost.

[Anonymous No.5922580]

>>5911196
You can fix them just by putting hole reinforcers around the pads. Since doing this, I love my 8bitdos.

[Anonymous No.5923086]

The joysticks are in a terrible position to use.

[Anonymous No.5924291]

Are these any good? was thinking of getting one for my PC and switch, I heard you can use different controllers on switch with this? i'm too much of a poorfag right now to play $90 leafbucks for a switch pro controller right now, but I have my good old PS4 controller.

[Anonymous No.5924335]

>>5924291
The mayflash dongle is better.

[Anonymous No.5924364]

>>5924335
how so? and what's a good mayflash one?

[Anonymous No.5924397]

Reposting this from another thread
I'm looking to buy a controller to play my n64 roms. If the packaging says x input and steam compatible is that enough reason to assume it will work on a Mac?

[Anonymous No.5924835]

>>5922580
I did this on both he 8bitdos I had before and it didn't do much. I still hated those two. I did take the plunge with the pro plus because I could always return it and the diagonals are much better and the dpad in general feels higher quality

[Anonymous No.5924857]

>>5910772
You couldn't be more wrong

[Anonymous No.5924860]

>>5911234
Dumb zoomer

[Anonymous No.5924864]

>>5912874
Not with that shitty QC

[Funcoland Clown No.5924982]

>>5924860
Yes, that was the original thought to which the analog sticks were added as an afterthought.