/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5906547]

I think water and ice levels are swell and the people who say they aren't...are wrong!

[Anonymous No.5906554]

Yeah I’ve never understood the hate for them either. They’re a good change of pace and usually have nice tunes.

[Anonymous No.5906558]

>>5906554
people usually hate water levels because swimming is slow on most games. ice levels are fine by me, although I guess slipping can be annoying depending on the game.

[Anonymous No.5906560]

>>5906554
Oh come on you enjoy rhythmically mashing the b button to slow fish and spike mazes. You never noticed the drastic drop in pace and the completely different movement mechanics not used in the rest of the main game.

[Anonymous No.5906640]

>>5906547
For me, it's the minecart auto-scroll time limited stealth escort mission levels

[Anonymous No.5906810]

>>5906547
>music remixes itself when you go underwater

[Anonymous No.5906825]

>>5906547
I love water and ice levels!

It's sewer and subway levels that suck!

[Anonymous No.5906838]

I like how the easiest stage in the whole game happens to be an ice level. Having to avoid avalanches is nothing compared to what you've dealt with up to this point!

[Anonymous No.5906869]

>>5906838
that level is such a nice breather at the perfect spot in the game

[Anonymous No.5907670]

>>5906825
>It's sewer and subway levels that suck!

The worst sort of subterranean levels

[Anonymous No.5907676]

>>5906547
Some games do them better than others.
They're fine in Megaman X and Warioland.

[Anonymous No.5907768]

>>5906547
Imagine thinking the water temple is actually hard.

[Anonymous No.5907794]

>>5906547
Considering that water expands as it freezes what you say is actually objectively true.

[Anonymous No.5908281]

I understand people don't like them because they break the pace of the game and you sort of have less control over your character, but I still really like Mario water levels. Forest of Illusion 2 especially always stuck with me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.5908287]

>>5907768
Nobody thinks it hard; it's just objectively annoying as fuck

[Anonymous No.5908290]

>>5908281
Usually whether you have an oxygen limit or not is the deal breaker

[Anonymous No.5908472]

>>5906560
>moving underwater is different from moving while grounded or in the air
HUH?!

[Anonymous No.5910473]

always loved/hated them

[Anonymous No.5911995]

>>5910473
God I love Dino Crisis 2

[Anonymous No.5913136]

>>5906547
Ice Levels

>Music is based
>atmosphere is amazing
My only complaints are
>sliding block on ice puzzles
>every surface is a little slippery

Water Levels
>good music
>slow controls
>3d games have absolute dogshit controls that make you slowly drift into an enemy instead of an item you are aiming for

DKC has the best ice levels, and probably the best water levels

[Anonymous No.5913141]

>>5908281
this level’s great

[Anonymous No.5913151]

Difficulty Scale:

green/forest level < or = Fire Level < water level or Beach < snow level < Level Dark level < Swamp level < Marble Level < sky level < night level < sand/desert level < Ice Level

[Anonymous No.5913161]

>>5913151
Name 3 more games with marble levels besides sonic

[Anonymous No.5913162]

>>5906547
Calling water levels inherently bad is an opinion that still pisses me off to this day.

[Anonymous No.5913169]

>>5913162
If you want to figure out who the brainlet in a room of people is, just ask people if they think the Water Temple has bad level design.

[Anonymous No.5913178]

>>5913161
OoT, Ape Escape, King's Field

[Anonymous No.5913184]

>>5913162
They aren't bad, they are just hard as balls usually because they introduce swimmy puzzle combat mechanics that are a pain with any controller and monsters are usually harder to fight because the game throws a curve ball requiring you to re-learn how they move and attack.

[Anonymous No.5913195]

>>5907768
>>5908287
got stuck on the moving platform part of the water temple, as far as I remember its the only part of the game that's like that, so I completely missed the path that opened, and so goes my weeks of not knowing what the fuck to do. got hard stuck there for a while because of that bullshit, not an 'im playing the game for hours' stuck, more of an 'i have better shit to do then backtrack fucking again' kind of stuck.

[Anonymous No.5913197]

>>5913169
the level itself isn't bad, 1 moving platform section that is easily overlooked, and then the boots bullshit makes it poorly designed given the systems that had in place.

[Anonymous No.5913203]

>>5913184
>>5913162
water levels in a 3d game adds 6dof control, something you are not practicing throughout the game, and something that unless the whole game is based around it usually sucks.

majora's mask is one of the few games that has a good water level because they designed a character around it and it works.

[Anonymous No.5913256]

Ice levels are usually good. It's only water levels people really complain about.

>>5906547
Water Temple: tedious
DKC's snow levels: occasionally frustrating but mostly atmospheric
LttP: Don't remember, played it too long ago, but I don't think it was notable either way
Mario 64: The underwater segments are usually the most boring and spare, but not altogether unenjoyable.
>>5907676
Launch Octopus's stage is the most annoying IMO, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the water aspect itself, I just think the minibosses are kind of obnoxious damage sponges.

Now, honestly, you want a water level that truly sucks, here you go. Hate all the backtracking? Try doing it underwater.

[Anonymous No.5913516]

>>5913178
Was there a fucking marble medallion in OoT that I missed?

[Anonymous No.5913562]

>>5906547
The issue is that water physics and ice physics drastically change your controls.
Imagine you live in a world where inverted screen or inverted controls gimmick are not just common, but pretty much obligatory for an entire set of levels in every game. You'd really start to hate inverted screen/controls, wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.5913593]

There are two kind of water levels: water levels where the gimmick is "you got slow" and water levels where you can go very fast but under very different circumstances.

I hated Mario water levels because they were almost always of the "you go slow" variety, but I liked DK and Crash water levels because they had some fun ways to go fast.

Fuck Ice "physics", though.

[Anonymous No.5914049]

>>5913516
Ganon's Castle and parts of the shadow temple, spirit temple and forest temple.

[Anonymous No.5914267]

Snow levels are comfy. Slippery stages in platformers that already have slippery controls are cancer though. Slippery stages plus wind hazards is pure aids.

[Anonymous No.5914762]

Ristar did both right.

[Anonymous No.5916189]

>>5908281
That's because Super Mario World has amazingly responsive underwater controls, with even some extra mechanics, such as being able to go faster by grabbing a shell, block or key. Also, the bounce physics when you hit a question block underwater is far less extreme than on SMB1 and SMB3.
All water levels are very memorable, I love the underwater fortress on Vanilla Secret, and of course the sunken ghost ship.

[Anonymous No.5918275]

>>5916189
yeah the water fortress stages in SMW were badass

[Anonymous No.5918276]

>>5906554
Honestly water tunes are so good though. Breath of Fire has an amazing set of underwater themes.

[Anonymous No.5918445]

>>5906547
>nothing but million seller entry-level nintentrash as examples

[Anonymous No.5918514]

>>5913593
It's true, I never hear people bitch about DKC water levels the way they bitch about Mario water levels.

[Anonymous No.5918546]

>>5908472
It doesn't have to be. In Megaman games it isn't. No reason why the character can't get a stupid "flippers" upgrade and be able to move fast, these are cartoony super heroes not real people.

[Anonymous No.5918590]

Remember ~50% of the population is below average IQ.
So people out-crying and memeing about ""how difficult and confusing"" the Water Temple was, is normal.

Just ignore them, because the rest ~50% is above average IQ and they completed that level normally, without getting stuck for a month

[Anonymous No.5921069]

best Paper Mario chapter

[Anonymous No.5921604]

i hate breathing mechanics because they're stressful, so water levels are usually a no for me
other than that they're great, though

[Anonymous No.5921641]

>>5921069
Hell yeah. I wasn't a fan of the Penguin mystery part but the frozen sewers, the pathway to the castle and the castle itself was fantastic, my favourite part of the game. That boss battle has the best music in the game as well.

[Anonymous No.5921648]

>>5908287
Only thing really annoying was constantly swapping between boots. 3DS version fixed that though by having the touch screen let you switch items around.

[Anonymous No.5921772]

>>5918445
based