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Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:36:27 2019 No.5901280 [Reply] [Original]

It is generally agreed upon that SNES graphics are superior to the Genesis, both in terms of raw power and pure aesthetics, discounting hardware. But what is the technical reason for this? Don't say "Mode 7". Even stills reveal how washed out, pixelated, and just DRAB the Genesis made its graphics. I just can't understand it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:45:00 2019 No.5901287 the snes not only has more colors available in its palette then the genesis, but it can also display more colors on screen at once then the genesis can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:45:38 2019 No.5901290 Other way around. SNES games can only have two enemies on screen with massive slowdown thanks to it's slow CPU. Most notable titles for the SNES had add-on chips that did all the heavy lifting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:50:07 2019 No.5901297 >>5901290 wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:50:46 2019 No.5901298 Twice as much system RAM. 4 times as many colors at once.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:52:36 2019 No.5901302

Here's a video of a stock Genesis running a homebrew version of Star Fox compared to the SNES version which had a SFX chip in the cartridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMRrrDGI4yo

It goes without saying that the stock SNES would melt trying to run something like Alien Soldier.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 03:53:50 2019 No.5901304

>>5901280
The Genesis used a 6042 processor which meant basically any adjacent colors that were too similar would be converted to a lower HEX value (ie darker), with the dev kits, this change wasn't noticeable since it used 8402 and the colors remained as they should. So basically until the ROM was FLASHED onto a cart the developers had no clue what the colors would look like.
On the other hand the SNES had dual core 8x25 processors which allowed for up to 256 colors on the screen at the same time, in addition to transparencies, bank switching and memory overflows which essentially allowed for over 30 million colors on screen at the same time. Most developers didn't take advantage of the extra render cycles though and as a result only Nintendo was able to take full advantage of the SNES JPG encoding.
Source: Irate Gamer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:02:03 2019 No.5901315 >>5901304 That explains everything really. But how was the SNES so much more advanced for its time?

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:11:35 2019 No.5901323

>>5901315
Sega spent a ton of money to get the best chip in their systems, but the problem was that after a year or two it wasn't that good anymore.
Nintendo on the other hand used several average chips, so as a result their chips were able to handle more on-board GPU or task managing and kernels.
So the SNES board was able to multi-task much more efficiently. The Genesis 'blast processing' did make the genesis more powerful, but at the cost of not being as powerful as the SNES.
Source: Irate Gamer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:14:18 2019 No.5901326 >>5901280 I got fucking impressed at Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the snes the other day. It played, sounded and looked outstanding for it's time and limitations. Pure magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:23:38 2019 No.5901337 >>5901326 I thought that was p[LOADING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .]retty lackluster port.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:49:47 2019 No.5901374

For some reason there are many people who over rate the SNES a lot. They are both close enough that it is the size of the cart and the quality of the developer that determines if a game is better. For me personally I like the higher resolution of the genesis and more movement. There is nothing on snes that compared to sonic 2 and 3 splitscreen, not even uniracers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 04:59:33 2019 No.5901382

>>5901374
>the quality of the developer
Console warrior faggots like OP don't give a shit about the people that actually design the games, they just love slurping big corporate dicks and spending more time shitting on things they don't like instead of playing what they do like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 05:24:59 2019 No.5901402 >>5901374 >sonic 3 splitscreen Shit compared to 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 05:30:02 2019 No.5901406 >>5901280 The genesis has a faster processor but the SNES displays more colorsm

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 05:37:42 2019 No.5901413 The SNES is dogshit slow and its architecture is also a terrific headache to code for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 05:49:06 2019 No.5901421 The Genesis was competing against the NES first until Nintendo made the SNES. >>Is no one old enough to remember this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 06:01:30 2019 No.5901431 The SNES had Super in its name, which made it super.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 06:15:56 2019 No.5901448 >>5901431 Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 06:53:45 2019 No.5901482 >>5901280 Ironically in that example the Genesis colors are more saturated

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 06:55:01 2019 No.5901483 >>5901290 Please, tell us about this special chip SMW and other launch titles used.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 06:58:41 2019 No.5901489

>>5901304
>6042 processor
>it 8402
>the developers had no clue what the colors would look like
>dual core 8x25 processors
What a load of bullshit.
>Irate Gamer
Well that explains a lot. Of course it has to be the same e-celeb who started the "SMB2 is not a real mario game so it's bad" meme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 07:00:37 2019 No.5901490 >>5901302 I’m impressed that it can render all those polygons without a chip, but it’s not a fair comparison when the action is running at 1/4 the speed and it’s only a tech demo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 07:02:45 2019 No.5901492 >>5901489 >muh e-celeb You sure debunked that other anon’s claims, Anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 07:07:08 2019 No.5901504 >>5901492 Even people that like e-celebs aren't retarded enough to cite the fucking Irate Gamer of all people.

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 09:27:07 2019 No.5901683

>>5901280
>implying muh aesthetics are a measure of systems graphical power
>heavily compressed comparison image that makes both ports look like shit
OP, fag, and so on.
>>5901304
>source: long discredited hack eceleb
Your ass would've made a better source

Anonymous Mon Sep 23 11:03:14 2019 No.5901828

>>5901280
>It is generally agreed upon that SNES graphics are superior to the Genesis

Among nintendo fanboys, yes. The truth is the snes has more onscreen colors. Alas games still look like crap because the snes has a less than standard resolution. To mask that hardware problem the horizontal lines are stretched and a blur filter is applied. Which is why snes game look like a blurry, softened mess. Where as mega drive games look crisp and sharp. Unless you are a 3rd world citizen with no access to RGB TV's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:04:08 2019 No.5903296 >>5901304 How did he bullshit so hard and not do any research at all? I just don't understand why someone would do this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:12:13 2019 No.5903313 >>5901828 >To mask that hardware problem the horizontal lines are stretched and a blur filter is applied. Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:12:48 2019 No.5903315 more colors=less cohesion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:13:24 2019 No.5903318 File: 395 KB, 1600x1168, snes_gradius_3_p_dq4ie6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5901280 >It is generally agreed upon teleports behind you melts your 5A22 nothan personel

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:13:38 2019 No.5903319 >>5901304 >>5901323 If the SNES had better hardware why was the resolution and overall graphics in games so much worse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:48:43 2019 No.5903401 Genesis could only do 61 colors across 4 palettes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:49:58 2019 No.5903403 >>5903318 >poorly coded game means the hardware is bad why segafags are such brainlets?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 23 23:52:40 2019 No.5903410 >>5901382 >Console warrior faggots like OP don't give a shit about the people that actually design the games Neither do corporations. If you don't wear a suit, you're expendable.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 00:49:42 2019 No.5903469

>>5903319
A lot of the time the resolution and graphics look worse now because you are playing the games on HDTVs. If you were to play them on CRT TVs (the way they were meant to be played) they would actually be almost HD quality and in some cases look even better than PS4 and xbone games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:29:03 2019 No.5903542 >>5901280 And who are these people that supposedly "generally agreed" upon this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:30:31 2019 No.5903548 >>5903469 Not him but compare the resolutions of SNES and Genesis Lion Kings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:48:59 2019 No.5903574 >>5903313 The Irate Gamer

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 01:59:20 2019 No.5903598

>>5901280
More color palettes

Colors can be anything RGB555 covers, not an arbitrary limited selection of 512 garish colors even less varied than the PC Engine

More graphical modes that use smaller/bigger color depth (more graphics on cart / 256 color graphics possible)

Hardware transparency in multiple ways

Game developers on the Genesis were mostly Western and preferred techniques like dithering and muddy art styles, rather than adapt the art style to suit the strengths of the hardware (like Lunar 2, Sonic 3, Monster World 4)

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 02:13:45 2019 No.5903629
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>>5901280
Kinda but good graphics dont make better games and exclusives.
Sega is still a better console.

I don't remember SNES having best contra or Sonic or Dynamite Headdy.
Neither i will say those games look bad graphics-wise

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:13:19 2019 No.5903696

>>5903629
>Mario World
>Link to the Past
>Yoshi's Island
>FFVI
>Metroid
>Chrono Trigger
>Mega Man
>Secret of Mana
But holy shit Genesis has muh Dynamite Headdy. Are you fucking kidding me? By the way, I can keep going with SNES masterpieces. I was being generous by stopping where I did, so don't tempt me, bitch boi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:18:40 2019 No.5903704 >>5903696 You could also include EarthBound in that list. Simple overworld graphics, sure, but those battle backgrounds were something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:47:14 2019 No.5903734 >>5903696 >m-muh jrpgs Yoshi's Island is awesome but still that's not Contra Hard Corps.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:47:33 2019 No.5903735

>>5903313
"horizontal lines are stretched" is a fucking mouthful of nothing no matter how you slice it, since you don't "stretch" shit with analog video. He's not completely wrong about the blur filter though, original SNES units are renowned for their blurry RGB output. Presumably it was so it could help with the pseudo transparent layers when using the 512x224 hi-res mode, which simulates transparency between two layers by interlacing them with vertical stripes which blend with each other, kinda like with the Genesis composite out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 03:59:24 2019 No.5903746 >>5903696 Why do SNES fanboys always list the most basic bitch shit when they get upset about people liking something else? SNES has some seriously great games of many genres, but it's always: >"Mario... Zelda... I mean, the list could go on..."

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 04:29:47 2019 No.5903761

>>5903746
that's typical nintendoautism for you. It's the same with nintendo Switch. I have it for 2d games and other stuff and i enjoy it and i dont have Mario Oddysey and Breath of the wild.
But when i see nintendork defending Switch they alays say shit like "Well...it has Mario...and MARIO KART and Zelda! and ...Zelda links awaikeneninineng and...Mario Wabbits! and...some other zelda game"

nintendorks play only basic crap

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:41:04 2019 No.5903825 File: 159 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] soul vs soulless

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:51:29 2019 No.5903837 File: 76 KB, 626x350, contra.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what a massive disappointment the SNES version is. even the colors and sound are worse

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:56:35 2019 No.5903842 >>5901315 >But how was the SNES so much more advanced for its time? The Megadrive came out in 1988, Super Famicom in 1991.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 05:56:37 2019 No.5903843

>>5901280
>Even stills reveal how washed out, pixelated, and just DRAB the Genesis made its graphics. I just can't understand it.
I imagine the person typing this is an overweight manchild who has mommy on speed dial and plays with brightly colored kids toys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:00:03 2019 No.5903847 >>5903843 What kind of unfortunate reject doesn't have their own fucking mother on speed dial? Are you under the impression that it's early 1800s and you're supposed to move to the next city to find work at the factory when you hit twelve?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:01:13 2019 No.5903850 >>5903746 >>5903761 Nintendo first-party games are always among the best on their every system, so I have no idea whatever the fuck you're even talking about, dipshits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:01:46 2019 No.5903853 >>5903850 >>>/plebbit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:05:39 2019 No.5903856 >>5903847 Thanks for confirming nincel

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:28:31 2019 No.5903871 >>5903850 >Nintendo first-party games are always among the best on their every system, that's the whole point. SNES dont have anything worth playing besides Mario and Zelda and few RPGS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 06:54:54 2019 No.5903887 >>5903696 >Piss-easy and lame follow up to 3 >Not as good as Beyond Oasis >Good >Jarpig >Good >Piss-easy jarpig >Good >Not as good as Beyond Oasis Even if you disagree with my take, calling any of these “masterpieces” is really stretching it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:14:15 2019 No.5903963 >>5903469 That has nothing to with the fact most SNES games have a lower horizontal resolution than Genesis games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:16:12 2019 No.5903967 >>5903696 >Yoshi's Island Oh look, a game impossible to run on SNES without an addon chip to bloat its price.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 08:17:39 2019 No.5903969 >>5903842 >Super Famicom in 1990 Ftfy. Also for being newer its processor is half the speed of the Mega Drives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:01:47 2019 No.5904874 SNES: >stock hardware capable of dual 60fps mode7 playfields Genesis: >$150 add on required >runs at 30fps enough said

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:07:16 2019 No.5904883 >>5901280 snes has better colors while genesis had more power overall snes got around this by frequently shipping games with extra chips built in, meanwhile genesis only did it with virtua racing

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:18:02 2019 No.5904915

>>5901280
ignore these idiots. Genesis was older, simple as that.
It technically could do what it was capable of better(slightly faster... lol blast processing) than the SNES could, but the SNES had more new tech for more color and broader sound. Extra chips helped out big here in the SNES as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:19:14 2019 No.5904918 >>5904874 Original Mario Kart is noice

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:20:57 2019 No.5904925

Anyone knows why Genesis never got a port of Fatal Fury Special? It's because it was on Sega CD? (but plenty of games were both on Sega CD and standard Genesis).
Also, anyone knows why the Sega CD version of Fatal Fury Special has really dry backgrounds without much colors or animations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:43:55 2019 No.5904965 >>5901280 is this a consolewar thread for ants? why do you retards like to argue about the same shit everyday anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:48:56 2019 No.5904971 >>5904965 autism + lack of new things to discuss allowing 6th gen would unironically improve /vr/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:51:06 2019 No.5904974 >>5904971 >allowing 6th gen would unironically improve /vr/ It would unironically bring just more console war, now with added Xbots on top of Sonyggers.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:55:56 2019 No.5904983

>>5904965
/v/ hates to discuss retro videogames because "WAH GRAPHICS SUCKS AGED POORLY!!!!", so they shitpost and start fights over shit they don't even play, then unironically claim there's nothing new to discuss since they never talk about retro games. Like this poster:
>>5904971

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:57:33 2019 No.5904987 >>5904974 Nothing is worse than bitter shovelware playing Sonyggers.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 17:58:32 2019 No.5904991

>>5904983
On point.
There's plenty of stuff to discuss, there's so many retro games that one's lifetime wouldn't even be enough to play them all.
People console war because people are shit and also /v/ kids noticing console war bait works on /vr/ so they abuse it.
/vr/ needs to learn how to ignore/report console war threads instead of biting the bait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:02:05 2019 No.5905000 File: 9 KB, 220x229, OKPLEB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5901280 Filed your worthless opinion under W for waste basket

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:02:53 2019 No.5905004 >>5901482 100% the reason he picked that game to compare, Fatal Fury 1 got a horrible port. shit colors and 2 whole fighters and their stages were cut just keep the rom 12M. fuck the people who ported this and fuck OP for his shitty bait.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:07:52 2019 No.5905017

>>5904991
>There's plenty of stuff to discuss, there's so many retro games that one's lifetime wouldn't even be enough to play them all.
Entirely agreed. Not even covering games that are only available on a home computer, there's thousands of retro console and arcade games to discuss and play. All /v/ wants to talk about on /vr/ besides shitposting and platform wars is top 10 games on major consoles, FPS games, and whatever some e-celeb mentioned recently.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 18:37:45 2019 No.5905090

>>5904925
>why Genesis never got a port of Fatal Fury Special
no one was interested in porting it to the base system i guess, Funcom ported it to the Sega CD, they also ported Samurai Shodown, but this didn't stop System Vision / Takara from releasing a Genesis cartridge port as well
>why the Sega CD version of Fatal Fury Special has really dry backgrounds without much colors or animations
Sega CD has the same color limitations as the stock Genesis, the sterile backgrounds were likely a compromise to avoid extremely long loading times, plus not enough RAM

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 20:31:39 2019 No.5905298 Not having Fatal Fury Special on the Genesis as a cart still makes me weep.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 20:39:42 2019 No.5905308 speaking of Fatal Fury Special, SNES got the best Ryo Sakazaki theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2DkmePzXeE

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 20:52:24 2019 No.5905334

>>5901280
I’m not sure OP’s photo is a fair comparison. The Genesis version of Fatal Fury is programmed in a lower resolution Master System compatibility mode so lazy ass TAKARA didn’t have to draw separate larger sprites for the SEGA version. And even then the SNES version is letterboxed further still, which this photo conveniently edited out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 20:59:23 2019 No.5905346 File: 127 KB, 1280x720, 1BC759D2-74A0-4EB1-971C-314A8D5C2BA4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5901483 Please tell me how SMW is anything more than SMB3 with one background layer and a higher color count.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 21:13:24 2019 No.5905365 >>5904874 Super Mario Kart used a DSP addon chip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 22:53:45 2019 No.5905526 >>5901280 What good are better graphics if you cant get a proper framerate? The Genesis versions of the [Super] Street Fighter [Turbo] were closer to the arcade than the slow shit you got on SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 22:55:26 2019 No.5905529 >>5905526 source on SNES SSFT having lower framerate? I thought both were 60.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:01:10 2019 No.5905545 >>5903696 >Phantasy Star IV >Shining Force I & II >Shadowrun All of those are better than any of those JRPGS you've mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:13:54 2019 No.5905561 >>5905545 Genesis also had the better action-RPGs. >Light Crusader >Land Stalker >Beyond Oasis >Crusader of Centy >Monster World III & IV

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:34:41 2019 No.5905583 >>5905545 >>5905561 dunno, I like most of those games but I wouldn't say they're all inherently better than stuff on the SNES. Both consoles had good games.

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:39:22 2019 No.5905591

I want to see a SNES port of Alien Soldier/Gunstar Heroes, Sonic 3K, or Thunder Force IV
Inversely, a Genesis port of Kirby's Dreamland 3, Yoshi's Island, DKC, or Mario RPG
It would be interesting to see how far each console could go if each title was optimized enough

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:42:32 2019 No.5905595 >>5905583 >he can't say which games he enjoyed more out of fear of being called a "console warrior" Sad...

Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:45:59 2019 No.5905605

>>5905595
I actually can say which games I enjoyed more, and they're on both systems. For example, I liked PS IV and Shining Force II, as well as Light Crusader, Beyond Oasis Soleil, and Monster World III & IV.
The other games you listed are meh.
For the SNES titles the other anon listed, I'm not a big fan of FF or Secret of Mana.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:51:27 2019 No.5905610 >>5905605 So you do agree most of the games I listed are better than SNES' action-RPG's then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 24 23:54:48 2019 No.5905613 >>5905610 I'm just not a Square fan. I do like ALTTP better than any of the games you listed. >inb4 discussion about whether Zelda is an RPG or not

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 00:19:27 2019 No.5905640 >>5905613 Oh ok, so you actually are just a shit head console warrior then. If you can't admit that those games are inherently superior to the SNES library, you are obviously a little ninendrone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 00:31:35 2019 No.5905649 >>5905613 LttP has too slow of a start, if it just chucked you straight into dark world it would be a lot more fun.

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 02:22:43 2019 No.5905768

>>5901280
The Genesis had a gimped color palette and could only display 64 colors on screen as opposed to the SNES' 256, which severely hurt it graphically. But when it came to actual raw power the Genesis won handily, which is why games felt smoother on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 02:25:02 2019 No.5905771 >>5903319 The SNES was originally going to be backwards compatible with the NES, which is why it outputs the same resolution.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 02:30:34 2019 No.5905786 >>5905768 Blast processing isn't real faggot, and since speed is all it has, that doesn't count as "more powerful"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 05:19:53 2019 No.5905949 >>5905786 >The framerate sucks but its got more colors so it's obviously the best! You're the sort of person who plays games on high with 30fps instead of playing on medium at 60.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 05:25:41 2019 No.5905957 >>5905949 >muh silky buttery cum textured lubed up 60 fps Go back to /v/ zoomer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 05:39:17 2019 No.5905974 >>5905771 Which made porting the Mario games easier than it would have been, I’m sure

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 11:52:27 2019 No.5906405 >>5901326 They used the SDD1 for compression to fit it all in there, which I can't imagine was a cheap thing. I wonder if they could have used the SA-1 and made a better port without additional cost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 11:54:28 2019 No.5906407 >>5905365 It did, but other people managed to do without. Like Street Racer had quad-split, so the point still stands.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 11:56:45 2019 No.5906409 >>5905526 >>5905529 They are 60. If I'm being charitable I'd say it's a confusion about the star speed ratings and how they relate to the arcade gameplay speed. They don't mean anything and were entirely arbitrary.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 12:01:27 2019 No.5906419 >>5901490 SNES Star fox runs at about the same speed (10-15 fps usually)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 12:05:03 2019 No.5906424 >>5903598 Careful dithering is adapting your art style to suit the hardware.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 12:16:14 2019 No.5906436 >>5903403 Refer to the OP's pic. Genesis port of FF1 is trash and doesn't do the hardware justice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 13:32:52 2019 No.5906575 Later in life the SNES was basically a box to run the ACTUAL systems--the chips in the cart. Any good SNES game that you can name was running shit other than the SNES itself

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 16:14:18 2019 No.5906847 >>5901280 ITT salty Sega fans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 16:21:32 2019 No.5906859 >>5905561 >King Colossus

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 18:04:50 2019 No.5907048 >>5906847 Stop talking like a nigger, thank you very much.

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 18:14:31 2019 No.5907075

>>5904874
>$150 add on required
Then explain the stock Genesis CPU that's twice as fast as the SNES' Ricoh processor.
>>5906436
>Genesis port of FF1 is trash
So is the SNES port for that matter.

Why are you niggers wasting time shitposting about ports of SNK games that serve no purpose to play other than to see how gimped they were from the Neo-Geo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 18:15:07 2019 No.5907076 >>5906575 The end result was good tho

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 19:37:21 2019 No.5907292

>>5901490
>>5903403
>>5904874

How about this then, same Tech Demo running on both systems. SNES version is using a Super FX(2?) Chip, Genesis is just running on a stock system.

SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqxLBZiBRA

Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEoSXKgPcqU

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 20:35:54 2019 No.5907404 >>5907075 It's not really twice as fast, even the fastest 68k instruction takes a minimum of 4 cycles. But it has more and larger registers, which means it's better at math heavy stuff if you could keep the required data in those registers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 20:38:42 2019 No.5907407 >>5901280 SNES sucks

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 20:47:32 2019 No.5907416 say that shit to my metal squad

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 20:50:47 2019 No.5907420 >>5907407 maybe if you keep repeating it over and over, it will become true one day

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 20:58:33 2019 No.5907432 >>5907420 Just don't reply, he'll wear himself out eventually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 21:04:40 2019 No.5907439 >>5907048 As a SNES fan, I agree with you on this one. People need to stop talking like "urban youth" and drag queens online.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 25 21:27:25 2019 No.5907481 >>5905561 >Beyond Oasis You got an overkill just with that one

Anonymous Wed Sep 25 22:57:45 2019 No.5907626

>>5907404
>4 Cycles

Yes, but if I remember correctly on the 68k you have more instructions available and thus can do more with less instructions in quite a few cases. So that advantage for the SNES CPU isn't as big as some people like to make it sound.

And then we have all the other SNES bottle necks like the 8-bit bus, the slower RAM, the slower ROMs early on requiring the CPU to run even slower, etc.

The Genesis overall is just more flexible.

Anonymous Thu Sep 26 19:44:30 2019 No.5909706

>>5907626
While the Genesis at first SEEMS more flexible, the SNES has a 18 port IO vsync buffer. This allows it to stack GPU and GUI elements much quicker, resulting in a faster output SQL.
So really the SNES is the better system, but only Nintendo fully utilized the overclocking RAM to produce the higher fidelity graphics.
Source: Irate Gamer

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 00:52:38 2019 No.5910312

>>5909706
That has to be the most nonsensical post of technobabble I've seen in one of these threads.

SNES can do more colors and color blending, Mode 7, and has hardware support for 8 ADPCM Channels. That's where it's advantages end. There's a reason why there's plenty of examples of the Genesis doing 3D at a playable frame rate where as the SNES needs an add-on chip to do it.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:56:24 2019 No.5910427

>>5904874
>>stock hardware capable of dual 60fps mode7 playfields

Super Mario Kart actually used an enhancement chip called the DSP-1, which enhanced the capabilities of the Mode 7 effect. This chip was also used in Pilot Wings as well.

Genesis/ Mega Drive games generally do run at higher resolutions than the SNES, and the system actually handles sprite animation much better than the SNES as well. The Genesis has arbitrary sprite sizes, meaning it can display sprites as small as 1x1 pixel. While the SNES has fixed tiles of 8x8, ot 16x16 and so forth.

The Super Nintendo has a lot more per-defined GPU tricks like Mode 7. Yes it can also display more colours, it can display transparencies. The system does suffer from slow down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:09:05 2019 No.5910439 >>5907292 Alright. I was firmly Team SNES in the 16-bit wars, but I have to hand it to the Genesis here, if that can really run on a stock Megadrive color me impressed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:34:08 2019 No.5910471 >>5905591 >Inversely, a Genesis port of Kirby's Dreamland 3, Yoshi's Island, DKC, or Mario RPG I'd also like to see Kirby's Dreamland 3, Yoshi's Island and SMRPG running on a stock SNES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:46:57 2019 No.5910489 ITT Sega fans still salty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 03:08:13 2019 No.5910503 >>5910439 Titan has been pulling off some truly incredible stuff on the Genesis since the first Overdrive demo It's all in PAL-50 at that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDtViPngi8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVmPtr9O0g

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 03:36:43 2019 No.5910525 >>5901326 lmfao the extent nintensois will go to never ceases to amaze me, its a fucking dire shite port.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 03:40:59 2019 No.5910528

>snes
manchild shite, gay elf games, slow as fuck, terrible framerate, 3 chars on screen, fans grow up to be fucking trannies and man infant titty chimps

>sega
Brought the arcade experience home, games run fast, responsive, good framerate, loads more sprites on screen ie like arcade, fans are maturer chil, grow up to become chads on top of life and function in society.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:38:00 2019 No.5910679 File: 29 KB, 480x360, based super star.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5910528 Kirby Super Star is pretty based though Quality 2P co-op

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:39:07 2019 No.5910681 >>5910528 you sound like those people who weren't alive back in the 90s and now tries to LARP as a genuine console warrior from back in the day.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:32:02 2019 No.5910737

>>5901406
wrong - comparing the clock speed of two different CPUs, we’re merely looking at how frequently the bus is accessed, and not the number of instructions per second.
In the 68000, each instruction requires at least eight clock cycles to complete, whereas the 65C816 – like it’s younger 6502 brother – could execute an instruction every two or three clock cycles. This means the Sega could handle around 900,000 instructions per second, maximum. The SNES could compute around 1.7 Million instructions per second, despite it’s lower clock speed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:49:45 2019 No.5910749 File: 508 KB, 512x892, BTufCw8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5906575 the most beautiful games did not use any extra chip

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:51:03 2019 No.5910751 File: 224 KB, 512x824, JxRjVJW.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:56:25 2019 No.5910760 File: 287 KB, 512x893, V7gRzy3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:10:54 2019 No.5910908 >>5909706 >Source: Irate Gamer Is this a new forced meme?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:47:19 2019 No.5910954

>>5910737
>In the 68000, each instruction requires at least eight clock cycles to complete,
Lies - plenty of instructions could be done in four on the 68k:
https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=68k_instructions_timings

Meanwhile SNES instructions took typically 4, 5, 6 or 7 CPU cycles:
http://www.defence-force.org/computing/oric/coding/annexe_2/index.htm

The genesis was a much faster machine and that's why it's usually better in arcadey style action. SNES had colours, transparency, mode 7, possibilities for cartridge chips and importantly the games had a much higher budget - first because more sales, secondly because Nintendo tax caused people to pay significantly more for the games, even when the genesis ports were actually better SNES versions were being sold for up to $20 more when they came out. It's amazing what can be achieved when there's large piles of uncle sam around.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:04:36 2019 No.5910964

>>5910737
>>5910954
There's also the fact that the 68000 has more advanced instructions so for some things it doesn't need to use as many instructions as the SNES CPU. And then there's the fact that the 68000 has a lot more registers and using those effectively is key to writing well optimized 68k code. Using registers really helps speed things up and can eliminate a lot of the "but the instructions take more than 4 cycles" issues.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:10:06 2019 No.5910970 File: 1.27 MB, 1620x3192, beautiful_genesis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:17:15 2019 No.5910978 >>5910970 lmao look at that shitty dithering what a joke console

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:26:08 2019 No.5910989 File: 9 KB, 256x223, 164494-star-fox-snes-screenshot-perform-stunts-for-bonuses.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5910978 >lmao look at that shitty dithering what a joke console

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:54:38 2019 No.5911120
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Or you could just play both.
Anyone wants to exclude themselves from a big, fat chunk of the 16-bit library, feel free.
Less for you, more for everyone else to enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 13:11:03 2019 No.5913165 >>5901290 Why would you say vomit such retarded bile when you know this exists?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN_6CJ4wPSM PCB Information: https://snescentral.com/article.php?id=0623

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 13:12:49 2019 No.5913173 >>5901290 Why would you vomit such retarded bile when you know this exists?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN_6CJ4wPSM [Embed] PCB Information: https://snescentral.com/article.php?id=0623

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 13:12:59 2019 No.5913174 >>5911120 Favoritism and denial to play certain systems in a field that will never have any new releases beyond sometimes eyebrow raising homebrew releases is just asinine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 13:16:41 2019 No.5913182 I wish I could strangle people over the internet...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 13:41:18 2019 No.5913232 File: 647 KB, 2100x1052, 343138225_GPuBW-2100x20000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5913182

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 15:58:47 2019 No.5913530 >>5901290 >two enemies on screen with massive slowdown That's a ridiculous lie, even NES could have more than two sprites on screen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 16:00:03 2019 No.5913534 >>5905346 Multiple background layers in parallax, and multiple foreground layers that allowed shit like giant moving crushers, lol. You're dum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 28 16:01:10 2019 No.5913538 >>5905561 And nobody cares about them because everybody played Link to the Past (inb4 not an RPG, it was made to appeal to the same crowd) and Mana instead.

Anonymous Sat Sep 28 18:08:26 2019 No.5913875

>>5913530
It's more that the SNES has a lot of annoying limitations on things like Sprite Sizes which really limits how many you can have on screen and the like. The Genesis doesn't have those and I'm pretty sure the NES doesn't either.

Again, there's a reason why games like Gradius III have crippling slow down, why Thunder Spirits slows down every time you shoot where as it's Genesis Counterpart Thunder Force III doesn't, why you never got a game like Gunstar Heroes or Alien Soldier on the SNES, etc.

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