/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5898030]

Will it ever be topped?

[Anonymous No.5898036]

FOX GET THIS GUY OFF ME!

[Anonymous No.5898038]

>>5898030
Not topped, but jupiter strike on ps1 was really fun. I even played it before any starfox. Very fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHObLORpjv8

[Anonymous No.5898039]

>>5898036
Shout out to Falco, the realest blue bird nigga from the east coast

[Anonymous No.5898054]

Ace Combat games are way better.

[Anonymous No.5898065]

>>5898054
Ace Combat games are more on the simulation side (even though still having arcade-ish gameplay), Star Fox is pure arcade gameplay.

[Anonymous No.5898072]

>>5898030
probably not. Every Star Fox game since hasn't even been half as good.

[Anonymous No.5898076]

I really enjoyed Star Fox 2. I'm surprised it got such bad reviews.

[Anonymous No.5898083]

>>5898076
>reviews
let me guess, modern reviews from the snes mini, right?
SF2 is good, it's been out for a long time on the internet and fans of the series like it, though not as much as SF64 of course.

[Anonymous No.5898087]

>>5898054
>>5898065
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know which was the first Ace Combat that keeps track of best scores per mission?

[Anonymous No.5898098]

>>5898038
Looks horrifically slow.

[Anonymous No.5898126]

>>5898030
I fire this up once or twice a year and try to hit all the areas in as few playthroughs as possible. I beat it daily after school for about 2 years. Good game, I doubt ninty will ever make another one and it'll probably be bad if they do.

A direct sequel to 64 would be nice, starting from whatever mission they were running off to at the end. That way they could ignore everything thay came after 64. Modern ideas like customizable vehicles could be cool, grind some procedurally generated levels blowing up bad guys to get enough resources to do something like decrease the charge time for your laser or increase the time you have before your arwing needs to cool down. Pure open world wouldn't work, something like the original Fallouts where you can travel to different areas to explore might be ok. Multiple ways to complete missions could be interesting, attack a base head on with the arwing or take the landstalker through a sewer to take out power stations to reduce defenses while the team causes a distraction. One way you will have a higher chance of taking damage and more enemies, another you have a chance of losing team members if you don't move quickly enough. Even just more levels with branching paths. It'd give it some replay value.

I'd prefer something as straight forward and to the point of the originals but they would never do that in this era.

[Anonymous No.5898146]

>>5898098
No slower than starfox. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.5898384]

I know it's not /vr/ but
Assault > 64
Change my mind.

[Anonymous No.5898406]

>>5898384
>Assault > 64
>Change my mind.

>mandatory on-foot missions with godawful controls
>only one path through the story
>no routes, no map, no secrets
>every playthrough is identical
>camera speed is fucked so it always feels like the arwing is flying super-slow
>camera movement is fucked so it sometimes feels like the arwing is on a layer in front of a flat background rather than moving through a living world
>perspective is fucked so it's way harder to judge how close enemies are or whether their shots are going to hit you
>Krystal
>too much boring story and cutscene bullshit
>doesn't maintain that simple but effective Saturday morning action cartoon feel that 64 nailed

Assault has fucking nothing on 64, dude.

[Anonymous No.5898413]

>>5898030
Starfox Zero comes close

[Anonymous No.5898449]

>>5898413
Let me know when they make a hack so I can play it on a regular controller.

[Anonymous No.5898469]

>>5898038
That pop-in is atrocious. Needs a healthy dose of Nintendo Sixty-Fog. Otherwise looks kinda cool.

[Anonymous No.5898543]

probably not, even though it could be done in theory, in reality, they would have to nail the nostalgia factor perfectly while at the same time making the visuals look cutting edge (otherwise whats the point). games like mario 64, star fox, zelda, goldeneye etc were just so unique because of the inherent limitations of the n64

[Anonymous No.5899886]

>>5898038
can you seriously not barrel roll in this game?

[Anonymous No.5899890]

>>5898126
>. Modern ideas like customizable vehicles could be cool, grind some procedurally generated levels blowing up bad guys to get enough resources to do something like decrease the charge time for your laser or increase the time you have before your arwing needs to cool down.
no no no no no no

[Anonymous No.5900297]

>>5899890
seriously just remake this game with new levels, that's it, that is all

[Anonymous No.5900917]

>>5898413
It had some bad levels, but it never really got a fair shake for what it did right and the controls were great.

[Anonymous No.5900947]

>>5898413
I've had SF0 on my hacked Wii u for a while. Still haven't touched it.

[Anonymous No.5900983]

>>5900917
the slower paced walker levels were a bit bad, which didn't you like?
>>5900947
I need to get around to playing several games on Wii U and getting a copy of pikmin 3.

[Anonymous No.5900992]

Zero/Assault aren't bad games at all, you've just realized short arcade games have limited appeal and furries were always gay.

[Anonymous No.5901032]

>>5898384
No, you’re right.

[Anonymous No.5901036]

Anons, play this.

[Anonymous No.5901039]

>>5901036
>stylus only controls
Self kill your.

[Anonymous No.5901112]

It was already topped by Star Fox (SNES).

[Anonymous No.5901128]

>>5898384
Adventures>Zero>64>sf1>assault>sf2

[Anonymous No.5901417]

>>5898030
It can, but Nintendo needs to get its head out its ass and have a new person lead development with a vision that makes sense and isn't old hat.

[Anonymous No.5901581]

>>5901039
Not him but they're unironically very good controls.

[Anonymous No.5901974]

THIS BABY CAN TAKE TEMPERATURES UP TO 9000 DEGREES

[Anonymous No.5901992]

>>5898146
Lol SF64 is nowhere near that slow.

[Anonymous No.5901995]

>>5898030
Furry shit, no thanks

[Anonymous No.5902005]

>>5898030
No, but you probably will.

[Anonymous No.5902160]

reminder S&P is boring shit and got his ass kocked by Kid Icarus Uprising

[Anonymous No.5902164]

>>5898413
>only one good course
no

[Anonymous No.5902171]

>>5898030
If i asked the faggot zoomer i know he'd say AcE CoMbAt 7: SkIeS UnKnOwN

[Anonymous No.5903105]

>>5898083
It's more of a history lesson, seeing what came from this game and what the future games took from this game.

[Anonymous No.5903113]

>>5898413
It needs to be ported to the Switch, give us different control options and pretty much all the negative criticisms will go away, oh and add online multiplayer and leaderboards.

[Anonymous No.5903534]

>>5898030
I ask myself that everyday, i don't think it will

[Anonymous No.5903560]

>>5902164
>>only one good course
no

[Anonymous No.5903564]

>>5898126
>>5898030

Post yer highscores, lads.

I myself am sitting pretty at 1,927.

i was going for 1997 (since thats the year it came out and it gives it that big cinematic intro) but I was already pushing myself to get 1927 never mind another 70 hits.

I was playing on Normal mode, I don't bother with Professional, you're basically guaranteed to lose your lasers on Katina and that means losing out on lots of hits. Basically resetting the system at that point.

Also , best route:
CORNERIA
METEO (hyperspace version)
KATINA (destroy the ship but leave it to the last minute)
SECTOR X (normal way but save Slippy)
MACBETH (hit the switches)
AREA 6
VENOM 2

You should be looking for 200 on Corneria, anything over 350 on Meteo is good, the higher the better (370-390), 210 on Katina, 260 on SX, 200ish on Macbeth, and that guaranteed 227 on Venom.
That should be 1400-1600 ish.

It's all about Area 6 though, isnt it? It's a real hit or miss level. you can scrape thru with 300 and having hit fuck-all; or you can come out smiling with 480.
Assuming you hit 480 on A6 that gives 1,967.

Ahhh! So close to 1997.

[Anonymous No.5903857]

>>5903564
Broke 2500 recently on expert. My route is: Corneria, Sector Y, Aquas, Zoness, Macbeth, Area 6, Venom 2. Red line but with Macbeth instead of Sector Z since there are way more points on Macbeth.
I've played your route too and I got 2327. Not on expert mode because Katina would be annoying to do then.

>It's all about Area 6 though, isnt it?
It's a difficult level because there's so much going and and you have to spam your lasers a lot. It's also easy to lose 5 points on the boss if you take too long and don't get the HIT+10. If you got almost 500 that's pretty good. I can get over 600 sometimes. On Corneria take Falco's route if you aren't already, it gives you more points even if you're planning to go to Meteo anyway.

[Anonymous No.5903982]

>>5898030
>Will it ever be topped?
Already topped a year before it came out.

[Anonymous No.5904009]

>>5903560
Sector Omega is literally the only good course in Zero
anything else is the Star Wolf dogfights

[Anonymous No.5904012]

>>5903113
>It needs to be ported to the Switch
no it doesn't, plus it was solely made for the WiiU Gamepad so it'd be impossible as well.
>give us different control options and pretty much all the negative criticisms will go away,
Zero has plenty more problems to undo even if you got use to the controls

just do a sequel that isn't fucking garbage or redone over again

[Anonymous No.5904015]

>>5904012
>just do a sequel that isn't fucking garbage or redone over again
I said it before and I'll say it again: both Assault and Zero show that you just can't please fans of the first two Star Fox games (or three if you count the recently officially released SF2). Change it and people complain they want it to be more like 64, try to do the same thing as 64 did and they complain it's a rehash. Aside from what Zero actually did wrong it was more or less doomed from the start, just like that other sequel that Nintendo made and people are still sour over.

At this point I don't even really care anymore what they'll do with star fox because there's just no way it will ever vanish my nostalgia for both starfox on SNES and 64 on the N64.

[Anonymous No.5904048]

>>5898384
Not after what they did to my lizard Leon.

[Anonymous No.5904058]

>>5901036
>Ending where Krystal leaves Fox for the PANTHER causing him to become a depressed alcoholic.
>Krystal pays the toll and is hated by all of Lylat while Fox wins the F Zero grand prix.
It is justice with shitty controls.

[Anonymous No.5904060]

>>5903857
i have done Professional runs, but if not on Katina then somewhere i always lose my wings and ragequit. Obviously, its impossible to get highscores with the single green laser.

Yeah I go the Falco way, but then choose Meteo. I would like to break 2000 on normal mode someday, but in truth I have played this game to death and watched that end cutscene way too many times to really bother

>>5904012
>>5904015
They should just do a spiritual sequel to Lylat Wars but with HD graphics. I think that's what people are crying out for, really.

People have also been crying out for a HD spiritual sequel to Ocarina and it STILL hasn't been made.
Twilight doesn't count, all that Wolf bullshit then the game was just shit, and Skyward ... who even bought that. No, do a Ocarina-style quest (no dicking about in the sky or as a wolf, just a straight up vanilla Zelda, get the sword, do the temples, do some sidequests, talk to some NPCs, fight the final boss) but in HD.
Breath of Wild was crap and plus it wasn't really HD.

But really, the spiritual successor to Lylat Wars is the Rogue Squadron games on Gamecube. High speed, space laser combat in HD.

[Anonymous No.5904193]

>>5904060
I broke 2000 only after I started to use the CUS technique. I don't know if you're using that. It's not necessary though for 2000 but makes it a lot easier.

[Anonymous No.5904319]

>>5904060
What's a "Professional" run?

[Anonymous No.5904368]

>>5898413
True

[Anonymous No.5904406]

>>5904319
Expert mode.

[Anonymous No.5904414]

>>5898054
they're not even the same genre

[Anonymous No.5904424]

>>5904015
when i say not redone i mean not the same old Lylat Wars plot bullshit.
when i say not garbage, i mean none of that stealth section shit in Zero or Assault's terribly rush Single Player (which Uprising fixed upon)

the gameplay formula however needs to be competent like 64's single player gameplay and banter, Assault and 643D's multiplayer, and Zero's dogfights and giant bosses.

Nintendo should have let Platinum have full reigns on doing a WiiU Star Fox but they decided to let that old fucker Miyamoto to shoo horn his bullshit from his old Star Fox Wii project (which became Zero afterwards)

PG only did HD assets for the game and nothing else important.

[Anonymous No.5905424]

>>5898030
Yes. It was topped a year before it was released.

[Anonymous No.5905428]

>>5898039
Threadly reminder that Falco is a pheasant.

[Anonymous No.5905432]

Imagine a timeline where Miyamoto instead decided to release SF2, a completed game, in a special offer bundle with SF64 meant to help ease SNES players into buying an N64.

Imagine how SF2, SF64, and the series in general would have been perceived if that had occurred.

Imagine if Miyamoto didn't fuck over the series he loves so much time and time again...

[Anonymous No.5905436]

Came into thread to post Panzer Dragoon Zwei
>>5905424

Ita already been posted
>>5903982
My man!

[Anonymous No.5905438]

>>5905424
Really different approach, although both have homing attacks/lock on, Panzer Dragoon's gameplay revolves more around rotating the camera 360, while Star Fox revolves more on actual airship maneuvers (you can't really do much with the dragon other than moving).
Both games are amazing though.

[Anonymous No.5905464]

>>5905432
sf2 sucked

[Anonymous No.5906457]

>>5904193
Yeah I do that. Charge-Unlocked-Shot and if enemies are in the blast radius you get bonus Hit Plus points. I sometimes pause then press L, and this turns off the aiming reticule, which sometimes makes charge unlocked easier to do. It's a hard technique to get a hold of though and to my mind it works well only on certain levels. It's difficult to work it on Katina, for example, because the way the enemies fly in the all-range mode field. The CUS is better for when they're flying straight at you. But yes, I do that technique as far as I can.

>>5904319
I forgot it's actually called Expert Mode, i thought it was called Professional for some reason, I haven't played this game in years.
on Expert mode which you unlock after getting medals on all the missions, more enemies appear, so it's possible to get higher scores.
However, if you hit ONE enemy or object, your wings fall off instantly (normally takes 2-3 hits for this to happen) and you thus lose all upgrades to your lasers. The weaker lasers take longer to destroy enemies, especially later in the game.

So on levels like Zoness, Area 6, Katina, and so on, with a lot of enemies / debris flying around, and lots of landscape to fly into, it becomes very difficult to not lose your lasers.

If you lose your lasers you will miss out on loads of kills so you may as well restart the whole run, which really becomes annoying after a while, especially as this is an arcade-style linear game, so it's a game you get into the habit of replaying time and time again, regardless of whether you lost your lasers or not.
Having played this game a lot ANYWAY, i wasn't really willing to sit through having to play those first 2 -3 missions again.. and again... and again...
So most SF64 hiscore runs will mention if its Pro or Normal mode, cos theres more kills available on Pro.

Fox wears sunglasses on Professional mode too, which is cool. There was a rumour you were playing as Fox's dad on Pro, coshe wears sunglasses in Venom.

[Anonymous No.5906809]

>>5905428
Based "Falco is a pheasant" poster!

[Anonymous No.5906986]

>>5898030
Yes, by Assault, but nostalgia fags that suck at arena shooters cried for Nintendo to remake the same game three more times which they promptly did only for each one to fail and consequently kill the series.

[Anonymous No.5907008]

>>5906986
Assault has loads of boring walking sections that ruin the tempo. Star Fox is best when you're in the Arwing.

Also it came out so late in the Gamecube's lifespan that it just didn't make much of an impact. If Star Fox Adventures had been the HD Lylat Wars 2 that i said everyone was waiting for, it would have been a huge hit (Adventures came out in early in the GC's life, in time for the Gamecube's first Christmas.)

But as it was, Star Wars Rogue squadron 2 was what Star Fox Adventures should've been (infact, Adventures shouldn't have been what it was at all, it should have been it's own N64 game, Dinosaur Planet. it got the Star Fox licence later in its development)

then of course Rogue Squadron 3 included all those walking missions, which ruined ITS pacing.

They should really stop making "You get out the cockpit in this one!" be the tag. We don't want to get out the cockpit!

Even the tank levels in Star Fox 64 are only good because they are limited.

[Anonymous No.5908207]

>>5905464
Star Fox 2 was kino
https://youtu.be/T6Cd4eZr9_Y
and it only ever got a release due to how shitty Zero was

[Anonymous No.5908215]

>>5907008
Adventures should've stayed as Dinosaur Planet while Star Fox Arcade should been the console release Star Fox game we needed like F-Zero GX

as much as im okay with Star Fox being connected to the DKC universe now

[Anonymous No.5909963]

>>5908215
I'm not gonna lie I got hype as fuck when Andross showed up and the final boss was an actual Star Fox fight using the arwing, not to mention Falco showing up. I didn't even care about Scales.

[Anonymous No.5910269]

>>5898406
>mandatory on-foot missions with godawful controls
The c-stick controlling the camera is best but the fire button is R for some stupid reason. And aside from some janky feeling movement, it's not as awful as people say.
>only one path through the story
It's more story driven but I can see a few different ways they could have done it, while avoiding the retardation they crammed into Command.
>camera speed is fucked so it always feels like the arwing is flying super-slow
It does? What were you playing on? I play a mission or two dozens of times a week and flying feels amazing.
>camera movement is fucked so it sometimes feels like the arwing is on a layer in front of a flat background rather than moving through a living world
I... Have no idea where this conclusion comes from. I actually tried to understand what you mean when I played Fortuna and the asteroid belt repeatedly.
>perspective is fucked so it's way harder to judge how close enemies are or whether their shots are going to hit you
Same as above but with Corneria and Katina
>Krystal
There's nothing wrong with the character herself. The fans are autistic about her but what do you expect from furries?
>too much boring story and cutscene bullshit
Completely skippable, anon.
>doesn't maintain that simple but effective Saturday morning action cartoon feel that 64 nailed
In what way? 64 is "go kill big bad monkey that's attacking planets." Assault is "giant fucking mechanical alien bugs are taking everything over and making big ass monsters and you gotta destroy its queen and homeworld."

[Anonymous No.5910462]

>>5904015
Assault had three Arwing rail sections in it out of a total of ten missions. I didn't mind the rest of the game, but I love the juicy arcady feel of the rail sections, and the tight Arwing controls (and the unusually responsive analog stick, plus 60FPS in those specific sections gave me a taste of a modern Star Fox that I've yet to satiate.

[Anonymous No.5910598]

>>5905428
He's also a wop.

[Anonymous No.5911671]

>>5898030
Is the 3DS port any good?

[Anonymous No.5911680]

>>5911671
It's alright. No rumble is fucking gay, but I think it has more endings.

[Anonymous No.5911698]

>>5911671
It has a score attack mode which alone makes it worth playing.
Music is nowhere near as good, though

[Anonymous No.5911732]

>>5901036
I liked this game, but I'd never replay it thanks to the boneitis it gave me.

[Anonymous No.5912272]

>>5901036
>ugly character models
>an incredibly hamfisted story
>forgetful enemies and bosses
>controls are fucked
>endings are beyond retarded
Why was this game made? Assault was a great starting point to really branch out and they fucking ruin it.