/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5897552]

Did anyone actually own the saturn back in the day? and if so, what was it like?

[Anonymous No.5897554]

>>5897552
honestly it was kind of shitty.

[Anonymous No.5897559]

>>5897552
No, nobody ever bought a Saturn, it was an unprecedented failure, they made millions of these machines, and kept making them, in spite of nobody buying them.

[Anonymous No.5897561]

I asked for one but my parents got me a ps1 with FF7 that Christmas instead.

[Anonymous No.5897567]

>>5897552
i just gave mine to my little brother last wknd. now he has a black saturn

[Anonymous No.5897568]

>Be Sega dev
>Release a console that has similar aesthetics as the Mega Drive
>Ignore all the established games in favor of cockwork night and japanese shooters
>b-but you gotta import the really great games anon!

haha, no.

[Anonymous No.5897571]

>>5897552
If you were a Saturn owner, you were an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5897593]

>>5897552

Yes.

>Panzer Dragoon
>Zwei.
>Bug!
>Virtua Cop
>EJ2
>Virtua Fighter 2
>Daytona USA
>Sega Rally Championship
>Virtua Fighter Kids

[Anonymous No.5897613]

>>5897552
Saturn has some absolute gems, but it's a huge pain in the ass to play them. Even emulating the Saturn is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.5897621]

>>5897552
It was okay. Wasn't a big fan of the console itself, but I loved playing NiGHTS into Dreams on it.

[Anonymous No.5897625]

>>5897552
anyone who actually owned one back in the days has probably killed himself by now

[Anonymous No.5897626]

>>5897571
haha yep. i knew ONE person that had saturn, and i felt bad for him cuz i had psx and n64. he always had to resort to playing some shit game like BUG or that horrible daytona usa port

[Anonymous No.5897628]

>>5897593
all shit

[Anonymous No.5897635]

The first time I tried to buy a Saturn was when FuncoLand was clearing them out for $30 in 2000. By the time I got there, they were sold out.
I finally got a Model 2 Saturn in 2008 from a friend of a friend for like $20. I bought a few games for it, then sold it off because it's just too damn expensive to collect for.

[Anonymous No.5897697]

>>5897552
Nope, I barely even remember it existing. Don't remember seeing it at any stores, I think I might've seen a handful of ads, but that was it. It was just some abstract foreign thing. For me there was the genesis and then sega just disappeared until the dreamcast came out.

[Anonymous No.5897869]

>>5897561
no they didnt

[Anonymous No.5897874]

>>5897552
Yeah, later on in it's life. Mostly used it to fry my brain on Nights, didn't get too into the rest of it's library until later on.

[Anonymous No.5897881]

Cucked by Shining Force III. But I owned one mainly for the Capcom CPSII ports. I did end up finding Radiant Silvergun for $45 at my mall EB.

[Anonymous No.5897940]

>>5897552
total fucking shit, no mod chip, no games, and even the ones that were around they cost $80 and were absolute dogshit.
I got to play Tomb Raider when it first came around, mindblowing, then the save games began deleting themselves,years later I learned the Saturn had a fucking battery you need to replace.
FUCK THIS SHITTY CONSOLE

and yes I did own The Crow City of Angels

Dark Savior was it's only good game and the silver castle made me rage quit and give it away.

[Anonymous No.5897946]

>>5897940
funny thing is I convinced another kid to buy it instead of the psx, and I saw him a year later in 1997 or 98 and told me how shitty the console was

[Anonymous No.5897979]

I got a new one for free from someone that bought one and got bored with the only game they had for it. Someday I'll get around to plugging it in.

[Anonymous No.5897981]

>>5897552
I had one back in the day, and the only thing that made it worth owning was the fact that I had an import store nearby. But within that caveat, it was totally worth it. Having the Capcom D&D arcade games was great.

I'd probably feel different if I didn't have a PS1, though, so I never actually missed out on anything major.

[Anonymous No.5898012]

>>5897940
Stop lying, Sonygger

[Anonymous No.5898016]

>>5897946
>>5897940
Samefag

[Anonymous No.5898019]

>>5897552

I personally dodged the Saturn bullet when I was younger because I had access to videogame rentals.

>Go to video store
>see Saturn lineup
>7 titles, half of which are sports the other half platformers
>next aisle
>PS1 line up
>30+ games to rent
>all different genres
>most of which I actually want to play

The n64 bullet still stings though. I will never be a day 1 buyer ever again.

[Anonymous No.5898058]

>all these LARPers in this thread
Anyway, yeah, I owned one.
It was like being on a dream. The Sega Saturn had a magic that the PlayStation totally lacked.

[Anonymous No.5898069]

>>5897552
I had two friends who had them and I was jealous of both of them. I played a ton of Nights, Virtua Fighter 2, Bug, Virtua Cop, and Diehard Arcade at theirs houses and it was awesome! There were a lot of great games for it back then and it's too bad it didn't do better than it did.

[Anonymous No.5898128]

>>5898058
>larp! falseflagger! larp! falseflagger!
Must suck to have paranoia-schizophrenia.

[Anonymous No.5898134]

>>5897568
this is the correct take on Saturn
I actually remember kids saying "I want a Saturn but there's no Sonic"

[Anonymous No.5898135]

>>5897552
the only guys I knew who owned it were rich and this was just another one of their consoles kek
but I played some street fighter and x-men versus and virtua racing and virtua fighter so for me it wasn't a bad experience. in fact I think it was the saturn who introduced macros to fighting games, shoulder buttons working as 3Punches and 3Kicks

[Anonymous No.5898720]

>>5898128
Projecting, anon?

[Anonymous No.5898732]

>>5897869
Yeah, they did.

[Anonymous No.5898735]

>>5898732
Your parents lied to you. You lied to yourself. What you wanted was a Sega Saturn with NiGHTS into Dreams...

[Anonymous No.5898759]

>>5897940
>no modchip
Literally the first fucking thing I bought for my saturn was a mod chip
Then my friend and I region modded it to play x men vs street fighter

[Anonymous No.5898767]

>>5898019
Lol, so you bought the N64 with your own money, day one, huh? Must make you at least Mid 40's to 50's now? Also how the fk did a rental store only have 30 PS1 games?

[Anonymous No.5898813]

>>5897552
Yes and it was a fantastic experience
Even right up to the end Sega still blessed owners with fantastic shit unavailable anywhere else.
For example, I got Christmas NiGHTS free (FREE!) on a magazine cover. Sega MADE A MINIGAME just for its fans

[Anonymous No.5898823]

I did. I was irritated at all the importing I had to do.

>just learn Japanese anon

Fuck you and fuck Bernie Stolar.

[Anonymous No.5898825]

>>5898016
Cope

[Anonymous No.5898837]

>>5898019
Dude i wouldve nut so hard to have an n64 on day one. I had to settle for a ps1 cause it was cheaper by the time i could get it ('99 or '00 ish?)

[Anonymous No.5899115]

>>5897552
yeah. was kinda cool, but my stupid brother lent it out to a fucking serb and of course i've never gotten the console back..

[Anonymous No.5899136]

>>5897552
Yes, but I had access to a cheap import dealer near me. I own a Japanese full set since 2004.
Get a Japanese Saturn and get Japanese games.

[Anonymous No.5899149]

>>5899136
>I own a Japanese full set since 2004.
Do you have X Japan Virtual Shock?

[Anonymous No.5899158]

>>5897613
What's the best Saturn emulator currently? I've never played the thing but I'd like to play Daytona, Outrun, and the Hang On sequel.

[Anonymous No.5899160]

>>5899149
Yes, as I said a full set, not including some alternate versions, special editions of games or rereleases and including some of the games that were special promos and/or order-only.

[Anonymous No.5899162]

>>5899160
did you play the X Japan game?

[Anonymous No.5899176]

>>5899162
Once to check if the disc is OK. FMV adventure stuff.

[Software and so on No.5899187]

Yeah I had all three by 97.

>Playstation: Everyone played everything all the time
>N64: Goldeneye and Mario Kart machine
>Saturn: Something only I played because nobody could hope to challenge me at the fighting games and weren't that interested in the other games besides walking in and saying "what the hell are you playing?"

[Anonymous No.5899218]

>>5899187
PS1 was such a normie machine back then where I lived. Chad and Stacy never played video games, but all the normie kids were PS owners. Sickening.

[Anonymous No.5899259]

>>5899158
Either SSF or mednafen. There's a lot more on the Saturn worth playing, though, if you want to fuck with fan patches and all that.

[Anonymous No.5899265]

>>5899218
PS1 is the original NPC machine.

[Anonymous No.5899273]

>>5899259
Thanks bud. I plan on trying more games, but racers are what attracted me.

[Anonymous No.5899278]

>>5899273
Then I hope you're ready to FEEL THE SUNSHINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9m2sHQwLs

[Anonymous No.5899289]

saturn is such a donkey dick turd diarrea fountain that even sega fans hated it

[Anonymous No.5899316]

>>5899218
I seriously, in this case, hope you are larping, because it would just be fucking sad if you are around 30 or more and saying 'Chad, Stacy, Normie' and all that other gay shit.

[Anonymous No.5899317]

>>5899289
you don't speak for me, autisimo

[Anonymous No.5899539]

>>5897552
Glorius. I used to sell pirated psx games in order to afford original saturn games . People are stupid. They bought all the shovelware crap.

[Anonymous No.5899547]

>>5899316
On the internet, anon. I would immediately off myself if I ever started talking like that IRL.

[Anonymous No.5899559]

>>5897552
honestly the saturn seems likes the greatest system of all time

[Anonymous No.5899569]

>>5899316
Kys
People mostly only say that shit on here, it's only sad if he's saying that shit irl and that would be sad at any age

[Anonymous No.5899642]

>>5899569
No, that's not it. Do you honestly think there is anyone who lives a successful, respectable life and are over 25, talking normally to people irl and then on 4chan are like "hur your console was so normie, suck a dick cuck" or "your opinion sucks balls kys faggot" or "Chad betas this while bunch of incels that". No they're not, it's not their psychology. If it's yours, you're in trouble. And yeah telling anyone to kys is just as bad.

[Anonymous No.5899691]

>>5899642
>taking life this seriously
Great argument

[Anonymous No.5899696]

>>5899642
>>5899642
>complaining about memes on fucking 4chan
nigger, what are you doing with your life

[Anonymous No.5899704]

>>5899696
He's a beta incel cuck virgin onions onion trap furry weeb NEET, clearly.

[Anonymous No.5899713]

>>5899691
Yeah, some people take life seriously and don't waste it.
>>5899696
Believe it or not, there was, and still somewhat is something on this site besides 'memes'.

[Anonymous No.5899752]

Why are sonyfags so obsessed with shitting on the Saturn and the N64?

[Anonymous No.5899771]

>>5899752
Insecurities, self hate, small genitals

[Anonymous No.5899786]

>>5898016
I think it was pretty obvious, I just wanted to add something to my post that I remembered.

The only people I see having fond memories of the Saturn are people that bought it post 00's.

You asked how was it owning it back in the day and I answered.

[Anonymous No.5899826]

>>5899786
I owned one and I called you a samefag. Add regular fag on top of that.

[Anonymous No.5899862]

>>5897552
bought a saturn when it cost $399

Then I traded all my Saturn shit towards modded ps1 and games in like 97 which was tight at the time because PS1 had more games and bootlegs let me play everything.


I wish I'd kept it because my Saturn collection would've been worth a decent amount now though

[Anonymous No.5899875]

>>5898134

No Sonic, no Streets of Rage, no Toejam & Earl, only one part of Shining Force 3 in English, no Crusader of Centry, no Phantasy Star 5, no Ecco 3 that used the special password from 2, no Earthworm Jim, No Monster World game, no Strike game.

It hardly got any of the established franchises, guess I should be happy it did get a Shinobi and Beyond Oasis sequel. and a Road Rash.

[Anonymous No.5899902]

>>5897940
>The Crow City of Angels
This game is really unplayably bad.

[Anonymous No.5899907]

>>5898134
>>5899875
This is all fucking true.
Feels good to get one at goodwill for like $5 and burn games for it with a flashed action replay cartridge to boot them, but wow id be pissed if i had this 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.5899908]

>>5899826
you're taking this a little bit too seriously anon, it's just videogamse

[Anonymous No.5899917]

>>5899642
In this dudes defense, the amount of hardcore double digit retards around here can get really too much to bear at times. Life must be one big adventure for the average /vr/ internet hero.

[Anonymous No.5899919]

>>5897628
anyone can say that
how about you tell us why they're shit?

[Anonymous No.5899924]

>>5898016
it's called a follow-up

[Anonymous No.5899927]

>>5897552
I owned one but I only had it for one game and that game needed a memory pack or something to run. Xmen Vs Street Fighter. Great addition to the fight nights the old buds used to plan.

[Anonymous No.5899929]

>>5899875

Dodonpachi, street fighter, x-men, vampire hunter, strikers 1945, sonic wings and countless other arcade games that NONE of us could have afforded back then. Because these jamma boards were an arm and a leg. Ever wondered why many of those had black bars on the PSX? Because it was a shit machine with not enough memory to run those games fullscreen.

[Anonymous No.5899942]

I've posted this before but it's still true: in the 90's I never once saw a Sega Saturn in anyone's home. Not one, and I knew a kid with a Neo Geo AES so it's not like I was just hanging around with poorfags.
I saw exactly one demo unit at blockbuster as a kid. It had Gex one time I visited and Knights another time. Then it too disappeared.

[Anonymous No.5900012]

>>5897568
Owning a MegaCD (Sega CD) as a kid in bongistan had the same problem only worse, literally every store only stocked SonicCD and the *exact same* few shitty FMV games. Only now, decades too late, do I know there were actually good games on the system, available only through the mysterious world of telephone import mail order.

[Anonymous No.5900025]

>>5899929
those games had black bars because they were designed to run in 3:4 aspect ratio. Most SS/PS releases had fullscreen option in the menu.

[Anonymous No.5900312]

>>5897552
There's lots of videos on YouTube talking about the Saturn and why it failed. They all mention how people had a sour taste in their mouth after the Sega CD and 32X. I can tell you that's exactly why I never bought one. That and I was getting older and on my own so I really didn't have time. Those awful fmv games on the Sega CD turned me right the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5900343]

I had one. I told my mom I wanted a Sega cd but she bought me a Sega Saturn with the 3 pack in games.. virtua fighter 2, daytona and virtua cop 1. I fucking loved it. I got puzzle fighter and dragon force, both panzer dragoon rail shooter games and nights with Christmas nights. I also got Sega rally. I wanted to play rpgs so fucking bad and it's the only thing I was jealous of the psx people for.

the demo disc was also awesome to me as a kid and I played the shit out of it. I think I got lucky by basically getting mostly good games instead of the shit ones.

[Anonymous No.5900458]

>>5900312
The Sega CD wasn't even awful, it had some pretty good games on it, it's just that this was the time of the FMV game fad, which was an extremely ill fated idea brought on by the vastly superior storage capacity of compact discs.
Sega decided to market the Sega CD addon as an FMV machine, which I think was an incredibly bad idea given the obviously short shelf life of the fad, and the fact that the machine was actually pretty bad at handling FMV, always looking worse than on other systems.

What they should have done (here we go with hindsight and armchairing) is to try to push for better use of the new format, more content, levels, characters, items, sound, music (recorded music even), animation frames, etc, etc. There were some games which did this to good results, but they were crowded out by FMV faggotry. I'm not familiar enough with the technology to say if it's possible, but the idea strikes me of using the game cartridge slot for some kind of memory cartridge, which you could maybe write some savefiles to for the CD games, though I'm kind of just fantasizing and speculating here.
The 32X was a complete mistake though.

[Anonymous No.5900469]

saturn fucking sucks lmao

[Anonymous No.5901676]

Didn't have one. My friend had one came with the 3 game pack of virtua fighter 2, daytona, and virtua cop.

almost every week or so he would rent new games for it. It was a nice console for what it was back in the day. Who knew Japan was getting all these cooler games.

Saved all hi money and got Xmen vs street fighter along with 4 in 1 ram cart.

New kid came into town and he wanted to impress him so he gave the game away to the dude. Me and another friend of ours thought he was fucking stupid for that.

[Anonymous No.5901813]

>>5900025
Capcom generation 5, Advanced VG2 and sonic wings special, among quite a few other games have black bars/ reduced resolution on the PSX. With NO fullscreen option. Less pixels on screen. Less memory used.

[Anonymous No.5901816]

>>5900312
>There's lots of videos on YouTube talking about the Saturn and why it failed.

Yes. All made in the USA. Lol.

[Anonymous No.5901836]

>>5901676
>New kid came into town and he wanted to impress him so he gave the game away to the dude.

I think your friend might have had the hots for the new guy, nobody else gives away games like that.

[Anonymous No.5901859]

>>5897552
>Did anyone actually own the saturn back in the day?
not that many people
>what was it like?
the audio was excellent, the 3d video capability was flaming garbage. 2d stuff looks nice.. but yea, very limited console in terms of graphics power. people get mad at people who point that out.. but they can stay mad.

[Anonymous No.5901867]

>>5900469
Nah it navigates

[Anonymous No.5901869]

>>5900312
>Sega CD and 32X
sega of japan were making a lot of retard decisions back then. cooperation (and communication) between usa and japan divisions was supposedly always in a ridiculous state of affairs. and even when it was good, sega of japan would do something stupid.

[Anonymous No.5901872]

>>5901859

Saturn has great 2D, and shitty 3D. Playstation has shitty 2D and shitty 3D graphics. Enjoy your warped, washed out textures and your jittery polygons anon.

[Anonymous No.5901881]

>>5901872
nowhere there did i mention anything about liking a psx. you'd have to be blind to not see how bad that was, even back when i had it in the 90s it looked like shit. but damn it's better than saturn's retard efforts.
> be sega japan hardware division
> durrr graphics still bad
> duurrrrr add another cpu! of course!
> *retard drools onto his CAD machine*
..but stay triggered, saturnfag. you faggots are too easy to get mad. lmao.

[Anonymous No.5901973]

>>5901881
SONYGGER BUTTMAD

[Anonymous No.5901986]

>>5897552
good memories. i have lots of nostalgia for it. i mostly played arcade games but also a few RPGs like dragon force which is awesome.
the PS1 became indispensable in 1997 though.

[Anonymous No.5902146]

>>5901872
Saturn's 3D is much shittier than PSX's, and Saturn's 2D isn't that much better than PSX's.

Cope harder, Segautist.

[Anonymous No.5902291]

>>5902146
both consoles have shit 3D, but one of them has better 2D.

[Anonymous No.5902347]

>>5902146
STAY MAD SONYGGERS

RENT FREE

[Anonymous No.5902381]

>>5899929
>Dodonpachi, street fighter, x-men, vampire hunter, strikers 1945, sonic wings and countless other arcade games that NONE of us could have afforded back then

almost all of these are on playstation with very minimal differences. even on Saturn you still needed a RAM Cart

hell if you want to get autismo, Dodonpachi and in the Hunt had less slowdown on playstation

[Anonymous No.5902384]

>>5902291
the only thing saturn can do better than ps1 2d-wise is muh infinite plane backgrounds, who gives a shit about that.

[Anonymous No.5902386]

Sony consoles don't belong on /vr/.
the ps2 will never be retro.

[Anonymous No.5902387]

>>5900458
>I'm not familiar enough with the technology to say if it's possible, but the idea strikes me of using the game cartridge slot for some kind of memory cartridge, which you could maybe write some savefiles to for the CD games, though I'm kind of just fantasizing and speculating here.

the turbografx (PC Engine) CD add-on generally made you use Hucards (cartridges) that contained extra RAM on them

hucards were very expensive to manufacture and barely contained any data (most games were only 4 megabits), so once the super famicom came out, hucard sales dropped and most developers made CD games instead

[Anonymous No.5902406]

>>5902384
>>5902381
shut up Sony anal slave

[Anonymous No.5902443]

>>5902381
>hell if you want to get autismo, Dodonpachi and in the Hunt had less slowdown on playstation
same with Thunder Force V and Strikers 1945 II.

saturn is simply just shit hardware, but the segafags in denial here will never come to terms with this fact.

[Anonymous No.5902485]

>>5902443
RENT FREE

[Anonymous No.5902659]

>>5902485
Can't argue with facts.

[Anonymous No.5902745]

>>5902659
Yes, you are OBSESSED, Sonygger

[Anonymous No.5902765]

>>5902745
>Sonyfags can have actual discourse while Segafags can only respond with zoomer memespouting

pathetic.

[Anonymous No.5902791]

>>5902765
You

[Anonymous No.5902821]

>>5901867
Only if its a Navi Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5902825]

>>5902821

[Anonymous No.5902829]

>>5902825
I doubt the GPS function is very effective outside Japan, I've heard stories of JDM cars' GPS systems being hopelessly lost in gray markets outside the country.

[Anonymous No.5902836]

>>5902829
But...I work at an auto plant that has cars exported all over the world, and the export cars' GPS systems seem to have no trouble knowing exactly where in the world they are....so...I dunno. The latter is modern GPS though, and this is turning a quarter century.

[Anonymous No.5902848]

>>5897552
I got a Saturn for Christmas in 1997...about a year before it was discontinued in the US. It can with the standard 3 free games that got packed in (Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 2, and Virtua Cop). Sega first party titles were a lot of fun, however owning the Saturn in lieu of the Playstation meant missing out on a lot of the fun that my peers were having. even if we got the start of a 3rd party franchise, we often didn't get any sequels (Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Nascar 98, Road Rash, et cetera.) I often lamented the lack of new games (particularly Sonic games, although I did enjoy the 3 that actually came out on the Saturn). It was kinda like a dry spell until 9.9.99 when I got my Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.5902853]

>>5902848
Last one I have of this rare Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5903252]

>this absolute thread
Why can't PlayStation NPCs let people discuss other 5th gen systems?
Anyway, yes I had Saturn back in the day, enjoyed NiGHTS, Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Fighter Kids, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon II and Die Hard Arcade immensely.
Over time, games became harder to find at stores, so I ended up playing Playstation and N64 more, but Saturn always remained special to me. The colorful graphics from NiGHTS is something I never saw on PS1.

[Anonymous No.5903456]

>>5901872
Saturns 3D was better in theory, but programming for it was so arcane that the final product came out looking worse than the other two consoles

[Anonymous No.5903471]

>>5897552
Got one on Christmas with the 3 game pack - Daytona USA, Virtua Cop, VF2.

Then later had NiGHTS with the 3D controller and Sonic Jam.

Enjoyed it until 2001 when I got a PS2.

[Anonymous No.5903472]

>>5903252
>The colorful graphics from NiGHTS is something I never saw on PS1

Obsessed

[Anonymous No.5903484]

>>5897559
This but unironically. I know nowadays it's cool to pretend that you owned one, but in reality nearly everyone had a N64 or PSX instead.

[Anonymous No.5903503]

>>5902291
The Saturn has two advantages in 2D graphics.
>tilemap hardware
but the PS1 is fast as shit anyway so it can easily just brute-force to get the same results
>more video RAM
three 512k chunks of memory, one for sprites, one for backgrounds, one for the framebuffer
in contrast, the PS1 has only a single 1MB chunk of memory that it has to put the framebuffer and graphics into (this is literally the only reason PS1 fighting game ports look worse), and there's no way to put add-on memory on the PS1

>>5901859
>the 3d video capability was flaming garbage
Panzer Dragoon Zwei, Virtua Fighter 2, and NiGHTS don't look bad, and those are games an ordinary Saturn owner would have been expected to have.
It's got plenty issues, but there were games released that could make an attempt to compete with the PS1 there.

[Anonymous No.5903505]

>>5897552
I wish I could tell you, but I didn't have one, nor anyone in my school growing up.
I did know ONE person who had a Dreamcast, who then got an Xbox after that system went tits up.

[Anonymous No.5903512]

>>5903252
>The colorful graphics from NiGHTS is something I never saw on PS1

[Anonymous No.5903516]

>>5903512

[Anonymous No.5903519]

>>5903516

[Anonymous No.5903523]

>>5897552
One kid in my class had one. He was one of those rich kids who had everything so it almost doesn't count.
Most had PS1s, some had n64s, one or two had Saturn. Also by mid '98 Saturn was kind of over, even the magazine stopped publishing at that time, so when that gen of gaming really got going in 99/2000 saturn was already replaced by DC.

Dreamcast was a HUGE deal at the time, but not many people actually got one - more than what got a Saturn though.

Saturn really just isn't that good of a console.

[Anonymous No.5903526]

>>5898019
Anyone who gets a console at launch is an idiot.

[Anonymous No.5903553]

>>5903512
>>5903516
>>5903519
did you never play NiGHTS? none of those are as colourful as it.

[Anonymous No.5903567]

>>5903526
If nobody got it at launch it would never get the chance to get support and get good. Obviously I see the point but at the same time we see that as more and more people are hesistant to spend, and more and more straight up almost only pirate things, the industry falls apart and goes into the shitter being dominated by the lowest common denominator who buy shit due to marketing hype and can sustain that cycle forever. Fans of anything above the level of 'casualized FPS, BR, Open World, Sports' shit have removed themselves from the equation and now there isn't even a very big market for good games.

[Anonymous No.5903569]

It wasn't all bad.

[Anonymous No.5903575]

>>5903526
Dreamcast was good though.

[Anonymous No.5903578]

>>5903526
Dreamcast was good at launch though.

[Anonymous No.5903579]

What was the logic behind killing saturn in summer 98 and wait over a year to release Dreamcast in europe and america? Did they rely on PC ports for a full year?

[Anonymous No.5903580]

>>5903567
some of what you're saying there is true, and I agree paying money for things you enjoy is necessary (e.g., one can hardly say "I hate what music has become now" then in the same sentence admit one hasn't bought an album in over 10 years. That there is the problem!)

However - buying consoles at launch was always a dumb move, even when the industry was in rude health. I know you probably know but heres some reasons why just for any Zoomers reading:
>Price.
Obviously, consoles on launch date are at full RRP. 299.99 or 199.99 as was back in the day (but then, £200 in the mid 90s is basically £300 today,, so same difference.)

Full RRP, no discounts, no promos, and usually, no free games or controllers - maybe some cheaper store will be selling for 297.99 or something as opposed to 299.99 but who cares?

>Poor range of titles
Generally, the longer a system is around, the better the lineup of games for it. Just think for two seconds about great games on consoles. Rarely if ever were they launch games, or even within the first year. Pokemon is the best Gameboy game and it came out in 1999 !

>Not fully debugged
The X360 RROD springs to mind. An X360 with a manufacture date of 2006 or before will RROD. The 2008 onwards models don't.

Also, now consoles are re-released periodically with bigger memories, etc. Why get an original Xbone when you can get a X1S or an X1X?

Or, wait a year or two and get an Xbone but £100 cheaper?

>It's for richfags.
Poorfag as i was/am, i would have to wait til Christmas for something like a console. The rich kid who had every console would get them at launch. It just wasn't even an option for me, and still isn't, even if I wanted to do it.

[Anonymous No.5904234]

if the saturn was so popular in japan, why did it almost completely lose support once the dreamcast came out?

barely more than 20 games in 1999, and only 3 in 2000

[Anonymous No.5904289]

>>5903580
Agree with you completely. I think people hardcore into games aren't idiots for buying by the reasons I listed, while I think casual players would be idiots to buy as per the reasons you listed. If I was super into current games I would buy what I was interested in at launch, but now I have the 'hunch' that most games suck and barely play anything new. If something looks like it had a lot of work and care put into it I might buy right away. Don't get that feeling often.

[Anonymous No.5904307]

>>5897552
Rich kid here.

I got the Sega Saturn for Christmas. Came packaged with Virtua Fighter 2 and then my parents bought Daytona USA, Virtua Cop, & Panzer Dragoon. Loved that Christmas, but I also received a PlayStation that Christmas, as well, with RIIIIDDDGEEEE RAAACCEEER. Ultimately, having owned a Jaguar, N64, PlayStation, and Saturn, all at the same time, I'd say my personal playtime would look like...

>PlayStation
>Saturn
>N64
>Jaguar.

[Anonymous No.5904341]

>>5903569
That game was terrible on PS1, why would you want to play the Saturn version of it?
They should've ported the arcade on rail shooter.

[Anonymous No.5904346]

>>5903578
Dreamcast had probably one of the best launch lineups. Too bad it went to shit.

[Anonymous No.5904361]

>>5904307
That's pretty much the objective fifth gen ranking. Only way you could not think N64 was the worst system of that era is if you're a massive Nintendo fanboy who loves shit like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon.

[Anonymous No.5904363]

>>5904361
The PlayStation just had everything I was really into at the time, followed by the Saturn. For me, the 64 only had a few key titles here and there that I found enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.5904690]

>>5897561
I asked for one but my parents got me a playstation, they said the man at the shop said that the playstation is better than the saturn

[Anonymous No.5906056]

The Saturn was very much a machine for friends. Every weekend me and a few friends would go round a mates house and we would play:

Guardian Heroes
Puzzle Fighter
Dark Stalkers
XMen COTA
SF Alpha 2
Saturn Bomberman

and a good few others and believe me, we were on that shit for hours. When it was just me and him we went through Sega Rally, Nights, Bug, Sonic Jam, Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon 2 & Saga, fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix, Sonic R, Dragon Force, Shining the Holy Ark... Personally I loved the machine but was far from blind to its flaws. 3D Performance was seriously lacking and struggled against the Playstation. He had a PS as well when it came out and FF7 was the game that cemented the machines death. That said, I still break mine out from time to time. Saturn Bomberman has never been bettered, especially hi-tenning that shit.

[Anonymous No.5906127]

I want to get a Saturn, if only for the racing games (going to get the wheel), and arcade ports.
Anyone want to talk me out of it?

[Anonymous No.5906183]

>>5906127
Saturn had the best version of Virtua Racing; also Cyber Speedway is a great hidden gem. I liked it better than the original Wipeout, which is also on the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5906584]

>>5904361
I would agree if Rare hadn't released anything on it. Their N64 titles alone bump it above the Saturn in my book.

[Anonymous No.5907451]

>>5897552
I was poor and only had a PlayStation, my friend had pretty much every console. I loved the Virtua Cop games and some of the other games were fun. I just stuck with the PS1 due to having more anime games (I was a massive weeb since SciFi’s anime blocks on Saturday and early toonami showings of Robotech.)

[Anonymous No.5907463]

>>5907451
You’re a fucking faggit cuck. I hope you get raped by a pack of wild niggers and your boihole is violated with nigger aids. Faggot

[Anonymous No.5907467]

>>5907463
Why don't you tell us how you really feel anon?

[Anonymous No.5907469]

>>5907463
I’m sick of this /b/ tier shitposting on all boards

[Anonymous No.5907473]

>>5907469
/b/ has been porn and only porn for years now. What I want to know is what caused him to make that comment?

[Anonymous No.5907529]

>>5907463
Dude chill you autist

[Anonymous No.5909339]

>>5897552
My parents got me one for Christmas of 1997. I was three years old at the time and I had no idea what was going on with the Saturn or what a Playstation or N64 was, all I cared about was playing Area 51 with my dad. I remember playing other games like Clockwork Knights 2, Daytona USA, Sonic Jam, Sonic 3D Blast and some other games that I can't remember.

[Anonymous No.5909393]

>>5897552
I used to rent one from video Ezy to play Sega rally. Was fun as fuck but never had any other decent games. I ended up buying an N64 and PlayStation.

[Anonymous No.5909845]

>>5904361
I don't understand how anybody could rank the Saturn above the N64 when the big thing about the N64 is it had hardly any games, but a handful were good quality, when the EXACT same thing can be said (and then some) about the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5909860]

>>5909845
Saturn has a bunch of good games, it's just 90% of them were locked to Japan.

[Anonymous No.5909873]

>>5909860
So? That's a criticism, if anything. So what good games are there in the West for Saturn? All i ever hear is Daytona, Sega Rally, and Panzer Dragoon and Nights Into Dreams. I could name 20-30 good N64 games, not only good ones but better games than those Saturn games anyway. Does anybody seriously believe any of those games are better than Ocarina of time or Goldeneye? i mean, really. stop being silly.

[Anonymous No.5909892]

>>5909873
Nights is better than the entire Zelda franchise. At least hype up a good Nintendo series like Star Fox or F-Zero.

[Anonymous No.5909918]

>>5909873
It's not a criticism, it's just most people don't know how good the Saturn is because they never bothered playing the imports. I won't bother with arguing what's better or not because that boils down to subjectivity, but if you enjoy arcade/arcade-style games the Saturn is the better deal.

[Anonymous No.5909928]

>>5909918
>but if you enjoy arcade/arcade-style games the Saturn is the better deal.
This is where, as a Segafag, I can see the reasoning behind PS1 being the best of 5th gen, because it had a good selection of the popular genres of both Saturn and N64, arcade games and 3D platformers/exploration adventure games. I picked up a PS1 recently and am having a blast with all the Namco arcade games.