Just a PSA showing what you should NOT do when emulating a game.

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Anonymous Wed May 1 13:14:37 2013 No.586362 [Reply] [Original]

Just a PSA showing what you should NOT do when emulating a game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:17:36 2013 No.586374 Huh? Where does it say "this what you should not do"? All I see are a series of examples. You fucked, OP, you fuckin idiot. Please, grace us with your wisdom.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:19:06 2013 No.586384 >>586374 clearly the bottom right is the only correct answer.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:19:36 2013 No.586382 >>586374 The image is supposed to show how filters ruin it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:20:36 2013 No.586386 >>586374 Clearly the bottom two are what you shouldn't do. >but my scanlines! Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:23:06 2013 No.586398 >>586382 >supposed to >>586386 >he isn't agreeing with my subjective opinion!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:23:06 2013 No.586402 >not liking increased framebuffer b-but muh accuracy!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:25:06 2013 No.586407 File: 280 KB, 1190x906, 1348314316520.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586362

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:26:36 2013 No.586409 >>586398 >opinions can't be shit The justification for using scanlines is to make it look authentic, but it doesn't even come close.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:27:06 2013 No.586413 >>586398 >>he isn't agreeing with my subjective opinion! Hey guys, some people like eating shit, that means shit isn't bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:29:06 2013 No.586424 >>586386 >Implying bottom right corner isn't the best one

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:29:06 2013 No.586425 File: 89 KB, 600x669, 1364821250456.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not emulating games on a pc hooked up to a crt tv

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:30:06 2013 No.586430 >>586424 Yeah, fuck aspect ratios.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:33:06 2013 No.586453 >>586413 Some people take subjective opinions as fact, that means all opinions are fact!

Anonymous Wed May 1 13:34:06 2013 No.586457
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In many cases (eg. NES, SNES) you can't have pixel perfect output, because the original device had non-square pixels (yes anonymous who always shits on pixel aspect discussions, they are called non-square pixels when they're intended to be displayed as non-squares).

In that case the best option is to scale to an integer ratio using nearest neighbor, and then scale down to final size with bicubic or similar. Or use Retroarch's pixelate shader. Sometimes you can keep one axis at an integer ratio and use pure nearest neighbor for that axis only (see image, note subtle blurring/ringing in x-axis only).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:34:06 2013 No.586458 >implying my TV had a built in shitty hq filter nope

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:35:06 2013 No.586460 But bottom right is the one that looks better...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:36:06 2013 No.586465 >>586458 The TV picture was taken using a PS1 outputting video via composite to a capture card.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:36:06 2013 No.586469 >>586362 >what it looekd like on TV >looks nothing like on TV

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:38:06 2013 No.586476 >>586465 That's useless, you can hook up your composite cable to an HDTV as well and it will look like shit. Take a photo of it running on a CRT TV and then we can talk.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:38:06 2013 No.586478 >>586469 see >>586465 You're an idiot. It'd be SLIGHTLY blurrier depending on what type of TV you had. e.g. a trinitron would look pretty much exactly the same as that picture with composite while some shitty shadow mask CRT would look worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:38:06 2013 No.586480 File: 1.02 MB, 1600x1200, ePSXe 2013-04-26 12-49-12-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm okay with cleaning up the image so it's nice and clear and looks good.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:39:06 2013 No.586482 >>586476 >Take a photo of it You're dumb.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:40:06 2013 No.586485 0/10 The scanline one is totally wrong

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:41:06 2013 No.586487 >>586362 http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Shaders_and_Filters

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:44:06 2013 No.586505 How come I never remember they're being obnoxious, distracting scanlines on my television?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:46:36 2013 No.586517 File: 574 KB, 1280x960, FFVII SABR (1).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yeah, this is what it should look like

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:47:36 2013 No.586526 File: 733 KB, 1280x960, FFVII SABR (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586517

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:48:07 2013 No.586534 >>586505 Because you had an inferior quality TV that bled its scanlines together

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:48:07 2013 No.586538 >>586517 It looks like everything is made of jelly.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:49:07 2013 No.586540 >>586534 >bled its scanlines together That's not how it works.

>>	Calm Images Wed May 1 13:50:36 2013 No.586550 Played it on PC with a controller back when I had Voodoo 2 in SLi and the down right image is rendered the same way. That is 2xAA and trilinear filtering for those that don't know.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:50:36 2013 No.586552 >>586362 this is entirely accurate. well done

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:50:36 2013 No.586554 i find scanlines to be overrated. when i played my psx, i remember all the jaggies and low textures. i don't recall any lines unless the tv is right in front of my eyes

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:51:06 2013 No.586560 >>586517 photoshop_cutout_filter.png

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:52:06 2013 No.586565 File: 2.68 MB, 1275x947, pic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586362 wrong, it's supposed to look like this?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:53:36 2013 No.586571 >>586480 I actually like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:53:36 2013 No.586572 >>586565 Oh god WHY

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:54:06 2013 No.586581 >>586565 Is that actually a thing

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:54:36 2013 No.586575 >>586565 that looks like shit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:55:06 2013 No.586585 >>586581 PC texture and model mods

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:56:06 2013 No.586589 >>586565 The scariest part is that someone thought that looked good.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:56:06 2013 No.586590 >>586362 But the bottom right one looks the best. Well it would look the best if they maintained the damn aspect ratio.

Anonymous Wed May 1 13:56:06 2013 No.586595

>>586540

Yes, it is. All NTSC CRT SDTVs had 480 scanlines that alternate on and off every frame on interlaced content, or in the case of progressive "240p" content, half of them are always on while half are always off in an alternating patter, resulting in the "scanline effect". Most cheap shadow mask TVs blurred each scanline together to hide the interlacing but also also blurring the image, while higher quality aperture grille TVs had much sharper scanlines, and a much sharper image as a result, and it also made the scanline effect on 240p output more noticeable.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:56:06 2013 No.586597 >>586565 Well, what the fuck is this shit? A high-res texture mod? Or a PC version mod? Dear god.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:56:36 2013 No.586593 >>586585 Jeez

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:57:06 2013 No.586602 I like the bottom left but the scanlines are a bit too much.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:58:36 2013 No.586608 File: 934 KB, 5000x5000, 1001011101010001010100101010101010100011010111000101010101001010100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586565 >dat gradient shadow

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:59:06 2013 No.586614 >>586595 Shadow mask displays didn't "blur" the lines together to hide the scanlines. Even if they tried to intentionally do it the phosphors don't stay lit long enough for your claimed blurring to happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:02:06 2013 No.586621 >>586614 Have you even seen the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille? Shadow masks blur the shit out of details, while aperture grille did not. This is why Trinitrons are widely considered to be the best CRTs

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:04:06 2013 No.586628 >>586614 >cheap shadow mask TVs blur Cheap TVs do blur the image. Stop being such a contrarian.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:04:06 2013 No.586629 >>586362 I had the PC version so the bottom right one seems fine to me. I also think it just looks like the objectively best one; the way devs would've liked their games to look like.

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:04:06 2013 No.586631

>>586621
>Have you even seen the difference between shadow mask and aperture grille?
Yes.

>Shadow masks blur the shit out of details, while aperture grille did not. This is why Trinitrons are widely considered to be the best CRTs
The blur was not that bad on all but the shittiest TVs. And that doesn't matter either way because no amount of blurring was going to change the fact that the phosphors are only lit for a fraction of a second meaning even the shittiest TV would have scanlines.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:05:36 2013 No.586634 So what you're telling me is I don't remember obnoxious distracting scanlines on my TV because my TV was... worse than the one with obnoxious distracting scanlines? How do you believe these things?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:05:36 2013 No.586638 >>586628 Scanlines can't be blurred away by subpixel layouts.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:08:37 2013 No.586645 >>586634 Because scanlines aren't "obnoxious distracting" on a Trinitron thanks to good contrast and the fact your eyes are good at tuning out static objects like it tunes out the blind spots and blood vessels in your retinas.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:09:37 2013 No.586649 File: 1.87 MB, 1275x949, vlak.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lol at all the upset nostalgiafags >these graphics aren't what I remember! also, fuck this thing and its 33333 health

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:10:06 2013 No.586651

>>586645
>Scanlines
>static
While what you said is right out of context, in context is wrong. The reason you don't see scan lines is because your visual memory is long enough the constantly switching between fields makes it seems as if it's a single frame. If you ever played with one of those fans that have LEDs in them to show messages in the air it's the same exact principle,

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:10:06 2013 No.586652 >>586649 This is what the developers intended

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:11:06 2013 No.586660 >>586565 That actually looks pretty good

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:11:36 2013 No.586658 >>586638 I don't even know you're talking about, I was just agreeing with the other guy. It just appeared you were jumping the gun and attacking his argument without warrant.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:11:36 2013 No.586659 >>586649 God that looks like shit. >High resolution textures next to low resolution textures >Textures from different games with different design styles >Low poly models next to high poly models >Menu that looks like it was made in RM2K.

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:12:06 2013 No.586667

>>586651
>The reason you don't see scan lines is because your visual memory is long enough the constantly switching between fields makes it seems as if it's a single frame.

On 480i interlaced content, that's true

But on 240p output that consoles produce, the scanlines are static and do not alternate

http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/demystified.html

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:12:36 2013 No.586663 >>586652 Impossible! The technology didn't exist then! !!!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:13:06 2013 No.586668 >>586652 They intended it too look like a piss poor mashup between 90s 3D and 00s 3D?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:13:36 2013 No.586671 >>586668 so are you gonna be the guy who remakes all the enemy models?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:13:36 2013 No.586669 >>586649 i don't understand what's so appealing about that battlemenu font, and why give HD textures to the characters but not the monsters? nothing about that graphic update makes sense or is appealing to me

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:15:36 2013 No.586676

>>586667
>But on 240p output that consoles produce, the scanlines are static and do not alternate
Maybe if the hardware is pumping out a 240p signal, which I will be honest, I do not know if it is a standard input supported by NTSC.
But in the case of the PS1 at least the games were rendered at 240p and quadrupled up to 480i for the actual output.
Logically this would mean the scan-lines would constantly switch positions from one field to the next.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:16:36 2013 No.586681 >>586671 No, I'm going to be the guy who doesn't use the mod because it looks like shit.

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:19:06 2013 No.586695
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>>586681
>opinions
I think the modders did quite a good job and have thoroughly enjoyed my experience so far. You can sit on your stump and be grumpy but I'm gonna sit here and enjoy myself.

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:19:06 2013 No.586702

>>586676

Some PS1 games did 480i, like Tekken 3, but most games were displayed in 240p mode, though some games (such as Chrono Cross) used 480i in the menus.

240p is not standard to NTSC, it was a hack used by consoles and arcade systems to display low resolution content. This is why most LCD displays fuck up console output by trying to deinterlace instead of just line doubling.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:20:36 2013 No.586707 >>586695 Oh come on his arms aren't even the same size!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:21:07 2013 No.586719 >>586695 >opinions see >>586413

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:22:06 2013 No.586721 File: 519 KB, 1280x960, oot-hd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:23:06 2013 No.586728 >>586721 Looks awful

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:24:36 2013 No.586734 >>586721 Just like the developers probably intended!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:26:06 2013 No.586742 >>586707 they're the same size, i checked.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:26:06 2013 No.586743 File: 75 KB, 800x600, thelegendofzelda281cc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586734 This is probably closer

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:27:06 2013 No.586749 >>586362 >what you should NOT do when emulating a game. You know what? Fuck you. I'll play how I like. I am so sick of this bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:29:06 2013 No.586760 >>586734 Actually, all things considered, it's probably closer to what the designers intended.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:30:36 2013 No.586765 >>586760 I'm pretty sure the designers intended a coherent art style.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:31:06 2013 No.586773 >>586743 whoever made that did a pretty solid job trying to recreate the stylized visuals of windwaker I hope that's what they were doing

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:32:06 2013 No.586785 >>586765 I'm just saying they probably didn't think in low resolution textures when just planing it out in its early stages.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:37:06 2013 No.586819 >>586785 Are you saying they had no idea there would be technical limitations? Come on now, you know better. Concept art is really just a general idea, not exactly what they intend.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:37:06 2013 No.586821 File: 18 KB, 320x256, 4OIIC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] as long as psxFIN exists and emulates with 100% accuracy and 0 configuration all these threads are useless pic related, accurately depicts your behaviour

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:39:06 2013 No.586835 >>586773 Looks more like they are trying to port OoT to the Windwaker engine. Though, the distance fog seems out of place for that.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:39:06 2013 No.586837 >>586821 There is no such thing as a 100% accurate PS1 emulator.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:41:06 2013 No.586849 >>586835 Not to mention the wrong lighting and things like water being transparent. The Celda OoT mod is a perfect example the fact that cel shading is more than just flat textures.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:41:06 2013 No.586850 >>586837 Yeah even sony can't get it right when using their own hardware.

Anonymous Wed May 1 14:44:07 2013 No.586864

>>586819
>Are you saying they had no idea there would be technical limitations?
No. I'm saying that designers start out with no limitations in mind. That's exactly why we have concept art and early layouts. Things that don't work get cut, downgraded, or reworked.

Concept art isn't just something to occupy their time. It's something they work off of.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:52:36 2013 No.586905 >>586837 oh yeah??? why don't you try it then PSXfin , google it!!!! bitch!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:52:36 2013 No.586908 >>586850 >Yeah even sony can't get it right when using their own hardware. This, even real games running on real PSOnes aren't accurate - no scanlines, no nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:55:06 2013 No.586916 We already have an Emulation Filters general, why the fuck is this not in there?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:56:06 2013 No.586921 >>586916 OP is a special snowflake.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:56:06 2013 No.586923 >>586905 shoves you Back the fuck off?!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:56:36 2013 No.586920 >>586905 Okay. http://psx.silvanthalas.com/psx.html Both Xebra and Mednafen have higher compatibly.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:57:06 2013 No.586926 >>586920 >feeding it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:57:06 2013 No.586927 >>586908 Scanlines are a product of the device used to display the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 14:58:06 2013 No.586932 >>586905 Dumb ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:00:37 2013 No.586941 i don't remember sitting close enough to my tv to even see the scanlines. i don't even remember acknowldging the scanlines.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:01:07 2013 No.586947 >>586927 Scanlines are in your mind, actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:04:06 2013 No.586957 >>586916 sorry to distract you from all the chrono trigger and banjo kazooie threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:06:36 2013 No.586969 >>586362 >>586374 >>586384 >>586386 >>586398 >>586398 >>586402 >>586407 >>586413 >>586424 >>586425 /v/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:06:36 2013 No.586971 >>586957 Not an excuse.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:06:36 2013 No.586973 File: 41 KB, 477x323, 1356700664624.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586920 who cares about compatibility LOL all the games listed as not compatible are totally unknown crappy games not worth of playing anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:10:06 2013 No.586984 >>586517 I hate filters like that on 2D games, but that stylized look would actually make FFVII look less like a pile of shit, IMO.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:18:06 2013 No.587032 >>586971 whats your deal then?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:21:06 2013 No.587047 >>586505 I've literally never seen them either on a real TV. I don't think the TVs that have them were ever sold in my country, I live in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:27:06 2013 No.587075 What's all this butthurt about filters? Why don't you guys just go ahead and buy a CRT? not the crazy expensive ones just a regular old CRT will do just fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:28:06 2013 No.587079 >>586505 Because you're not supposed to notice them.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:28:06 2013 No.587083 >>587075 But according to this thread if you don't have exactly the right CRT your scanlines will be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:28:36 2013 No.587080 >>587075 because they're too poor to buy the real thing and complain about the accuracy of their free shit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:35:06 2013 No.587137 >>586505 Watch this : www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQJ1DOaYiI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8IEwBo6VUA but at 2 meters of your screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:47:06 2013 No.587204 Everyone played on different TV's back in the day. What they remember in their brains how their games looked is more correct than what you remember they remembered of how the games looked. Filter use is subjective. /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:48:06 2013 No.587216 >>587137 Not bad. But I still prefer unfiltered. It's not as dark .

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:10:06 2013 No.587303 >>586649 It looks absolutely terrible, and all wrong. But if you like it, good for you I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:18:07 2013 No.587339 >>587137 >CTR filter not even going to waste my time

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:38:36 2013 No.587441 >>586589 It was probably the same person that made this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDF_0bVpP4

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:41:07 2013 No.587457 >>587363 And the sacred place of Blargg's composite NTSC with color bleed cranked up and 50% scanlines continues to be vindicated

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:43:07 2013 No.587474 For 3D games, I want all the texture smoothing and anti aliasing I can get. But for 2D games I like everything to be pixel perfect.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:44:07 2013 No.587478 >>587441 I kind of like that in a trainwreck sort of way. But yeah that seems about right.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 17:21:06 2013 No.587723 >>586649 The terrain retexturing should be fine for the most part, but those characters... ayaya. Why can't I hold all of these retextures? Answer: Eternally low poly count.

Anonymous Wed May 1 17:32:07 2013 No.587815

>>586362
Bottom left is actually what it looked like if you used RF cables.
Top left is if you used RGB Scart cables (heil yurop).

Top right looks close to Composite output, however you also have to imagine the insane amounts of dot crawl for it to be accurate.

Anonymous Wed May 1 17:42:06 2013 No.587890

>>587815
>Bottom left is actually what it looked like if you used RF cables.
Really? So multi-pixel thick scan lines, doubled image with an offset and a gaussian blur?

>Top right looks close to Composite output, however
That's because it's a capture of an actual PS1 via composite.

>you also have to imagine the insane amounts of dot crawl for it to be accurate.
If I could have captured it I would have, but it was there.

Anonymous Wed May 1 17:54:06 2013 No.587958
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Nobody uses scanline filters because they are nostalgic about it.

It just LOOKS better that way. It's a nice compromise between jaggy, unfiltered graphics and blurry filtered graphics.

That said, I USED to think scanlines were retarded. I didn't know anyone actually used them, I just thought to myself "Oh wow, what a useless filter." But after tinkering with several filters over the years (From unfiltered 16:9, to hq4x, to bilinear), I've found that the one that's most pleasing to the eye is a scanline filter, even one that's just a bunch of dimmed bars showing on the screen.
Pic related is almost ideal, though I could do away with the curved screen.

Granted, it's not as good as playing on a CRT, but it's a hell of a lot better than unfiltered.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 17:54:07 2013 No.587953 >>587890 >Really? So multi-pixel thick scan lines, doubled image with an offset and a gaussian blur? Depending on what TV set you used, yeah. If you lived in the eastern bloc, you might even want to add a greyscale filter on top of that as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 17:58:06 2013 No.587980 >>587890 >That's because it's a capture of an actual PS1 via composite. How come the greyed out Ex-Soldier looks HQish? >>587953 >Depending on what TV set you used, yeah. You're high.

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Anonymous Wed May 1 18:08:06 2013 No.588038
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>>587980
>You're high.

No I'm not. Shit TVs with shit cables could very well have picture quality like that.

However I'm not aware if the Playstation ever had an RF cable for it.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Wed May 1 18:09:07 2013 No.588048 >>588038 Pretty sure composite was the lowest it supported.

>>	Thatmew !y.aZ6nV0iM Wed May 1 18:10:07 2013 No.588053 >>588048 No, it definitely had both official and third party RF cables. I had one. Until 2006.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:10:36 2013 No.588051 What the collectors don't realize is that no one but them actually cares and the rest of us are playing games because they're fun. I had high hopes for this board in the first 2 weeks, but then this emulation vs collectors CRT bullshit ruined it.

Anonymous Wed May 1 18:12:37 2013 No.588059

>>587958
I'm this way, actually. I did grow up with consoles and shit, and I never really noticed the scanlines until way later, after I had been playing on emulators for years with no filtering, although that was more because the alternatives looked worse (I had tried the various ones like 2xSal, Super Eagle, etc., and found they looked bad). I read up some shit online about scanlines, went back to my consoles, and I more or less became aware of how much better they actually looked than on the emulator, but I more or less considered it a lost cause to try to get that look. Then I discovered CRT-Geom, and I can't go back.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:13:07 2013 No.588068 >>588038 >>588048 I had an official RF cable, since my shitty TV at the time didn't even have composite ports.

Anonymous Wed May 1 18:14:06 2013 No.588070

>>588048
No, it had RF but with only if you bought a specific cable. Also works on the PS3 as far as I know.

>>588038
No, that pic is clearling interleaving lines, no RF nor any non-severely broken TV does that, the only thing Composite has over RF is the absent noise.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:15:06 2013 No.588074 >>587457 >color bleed That's a shot of an RGB monitor. The convergence is off because it was warming up.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:19:36 2013 No.588096 File: 11 KB, 449x287, 1367102110505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>588028 >Nimbus

Anonymous Wed May 1 18:25:06 2013 No.588124
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>>586362
I personally like the pixel perfect output. Anyone who likes the CRT output is okay in my book, but I enjoy being able to read sharp text and especially see that line of HP/MP. I remember it was very difficult to actually see those on the TV (among other things) due to flickering and being able to see subtle rainbow-effects as if they were color shifting. Actually this, the blur, and the fuzziness is generally why I dislike all CRT output images. I fully admit the games were usually made with CRT in mind and also that it has zero lag. But it makes my eyes feel all puffy when I try to look at it because my brain is so used to pixels. Pic related, I disable that cleartype shit too.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Wed May 1 18:27:36 2013 No.588128 File: 1007 KB, 3280x2460, 100_3079.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>588070 >Also works on the PS3 as far as I know. >PS3 over RF I want one now, just to see that for myself. >>588074 >because it was warming up. Hate that.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:29:36 2013 No.588142 File: 1.08 MB, 1280x1024, 12312390343.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586362 I'd rather it look like this OP, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:30:06 2013 No.588153 File: 1.13 MB, 450x270, Hi 5.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586425 This guy. This fucking guy knows what's up.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:30:06 2013 No.588157 >>586517 >>586526 I would actually enjoy this. For a while, at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:33:06 2013 No.588171 File: 8 KB, 118x151, AbsolutelyDisgustingCaco.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>588142 >the text

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:34:06 2013 No.588174 >>588142 What mod is that? That looks really good.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:36:36 2013 No.588180 >>588171 Looks italian from what I gather, wasn't even aware there was an italian translation. >>588142, will you be so kind?

Anonymous Wed May 1 18:40:06 2013 No.588203

Since we're talking RF...

>tfw wasted $20 on a N64 RF Unit at launch because you were an inept 9 year old who didn't know how to get the composite video to come up
Can't blame me though, there were an insane number of different ways composite was tuned besides "Video 1" (VCR, AUX, Channel 91, etc.)
I wasted most of the N64's life on RF instead of superior composite, which I was unaware of unitl 2000-ish.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:44:36 2013 No.588218 >>588203 >N64 RF Unit You mean like it was the ONLY output if you bought that unit? That's pretty cheap.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:48:07 2013 No.588248 >>586649 >Vincent with a fucking squirt gun Goddamit, laughed so hard. it wont stop

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Wed May 1 18:48:07 2013 No.588250 >>588180 Yep. I think it was translated into all European languages. And there are probably fan-translations for any language it wasn't released in.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:50:07 2013 No.588264 >>586649 Did you just bitch about "nostalgiafagging" on /vr/? Get out >>>/v/

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Wed May 1 18:50:07 2013 No.588271 >>586649 At least it's easier than the FF6 version. Yes, Vlakadoros is actually engrish for Brachiosaur.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:51:06 2013 No.588280 >>588142 hnnnng

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:52:36 2013 No.588284 >>588250 I know for sure there wasn't an official translation for italian, but searching for fan-translation and patches seems like too much of a hassle. Thanks anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:59:07 2013 No.588326 >No "this guy are sick" screenshot yet Not mad, I'm dissapointed in all of you

>>	Screwy !BDcKesnEik Wed May 1 19:05:06 2013 No.588384 File: 28 KB, 127x207, Pause.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586565 I couldn't resist

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:12:06 2013 No.589218 File: 216 KB, 1600x900, Muster Race.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fucking underage. Everyone knows FF7 looked like this on an actual CRT.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:19:36 2013 No.589272 >>588020 Jesus fucking christ learn how to resize your images so they aren't fuckhuge.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:21:36 2013 No.589283 I could give two fucking shits what the developers "intended" it to look like. I want it to look good in 1080p on my fucking 42" LED HDTV. I'm using filters and HD texture packs if available so it doesn't look like horseshit.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Wed May 1 21:23:07 2013 No.589307 File: 552 KB, 1312x984, 100_3064.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>589272 I usually do, but I like to keep my CRT pictures large for comparison's sake.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 22:38:36 2013 No.589734 >>588142 How do you make it look like this?!!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 22:40:37 2013 No.589749 >>589283 >LED I don't think you quite understand what you've bought.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 22:43:36 2013 No.589772 The nice thing about the OTHER 5th gen console I shall not mention by name is that it favored 3d over prerendering, meaning games can be rendered at 16/9 without any stretching.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 22:45:07 2013 No.589785 Why would I listen to you when it's me playing the game, not you?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 23:04:07 2013 No.589920 File: 276 KB, 1280x960, 2013-01-12_00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>588326

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 23:05:07 2013 No.589932 >>589920 >GonnaDie Why do you hate my sides?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 23:07:07 2013 No.589948 File: 288 KB, 640x480, pcsxr 2013-01-25 01-58-08-38.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>589932

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 01:45:37 2013 No.590741 File: 195 KB, 1100x1100, Pixel_geometry.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why shaders won't get it right: subpixel geometry.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 02:31:07 2013 No.590936 >>590741 That's such a piss poor image.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 02:47:37 2013 No.590991 >>588038 >not running composite into a switchbox which runs into an RF converter daisychain

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 02:58:37 2013 No.591026 File: 23 KB, 350x218, gringuy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>589948

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 02:59:08 2013 No.591031 I play 2D games without filters. I like the pixels. 3D games on the other usually need some kind of Texture Filtering and AA

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:08:37 2013 No.591058 >>591031 >i like the pixels Playing 2d games without filters isn't authentic. You need to try and reproduce the original look as closely as possible. Blargg's NTSC with composite filter, color bleed and 50% scanlines is the only way to do that.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:09:07 2013 No.591061 >>591058 Dude, I play with a CRT shader and NTSC filters, but fuck's sake, let people play how they want.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:13:07 2013 No.591069 >>591058 >Blargg's NTSC with composite filter, color bleed and 50% scanlines is the only way to do that. Not everyone was a fucking poor faggot with a shitty TV.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:15:07 2013 No.591073 >>591061 They can, I'm just saying that claiming there's some kind of fidelity in playing without filters is mistaken. >>591069 It just looks better that way. The flaws make it more charming, like listening to vinyl.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 03:16:38 2013 No.591074 >>591069 >calling composite shitty >tfw I was stuck with a 10in TV with UHF forks only Damn thing even had dials'n'shit

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:18:08 2013 No.591079 >>591073 >The flaws make it more charming, like listening to vinyl. No, not at all. If you listen to vinyl records of albums that were released in the past 20 years you're an idiot too.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:20:37 2013 No.591085 >>591079 Guess I'm an idiot then. The warmth and the flaws make it sweeter and more human to me. Plus they're wonderful objects.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:23:08 2013 No.591093

>>591085
You're an idiot because they're objectively inferior copies of the same masters you'd get on a CD.

If you buy them for collection purposes then cool, but they aren't a serious listening medium with the only exception being pre-80s albums with no original masters in digital form.

>>591074
I grew up on a 36" Mitsubishi with S-Video.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:24:08 2013 No.591096 File: 404 KB, 500x399, Link Doesn't Give a Fuck.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591079 >Doesn't understand how compression and mastering work.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:25:07 2013 No.591104 >>591093 I'm willing to be an idiot for something I love. Although I kind of suspect that you're the actual idiot, and that you'd know this if you read about the matter. You know they still make vinyl right?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:26:07 2013 No.591109 >>591093 >You're an idiot because they're objectively inferior copies of the same masters you'd get on a CD. You're the idiot. Maybe you should look into music mastering before you use it as an analogy for video games.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:29:07 2013 No.591123

>>591096
No, the vinyl releases are printed from the same masters as the CD versions of music, dynamic range compression and all.
Don't event try pulling that shit you fucking idiot. I have tons of evidence against any bullshit you'd spew.

>>591104
>I'm willing to be an idiot for something I love.
Like I said, vinyl are great for a collection hobby, but they're not a serious medium.

>Although I kind of suspect that you're the actual idiot, and that you'd know this if you read about the matter.
>You know they still make vinyl right?
Jesus christ, get some reading comprehension. I could point out maybe 4 or 5 points where I made distinctions between pre-80s and modern vinyls.

>>591109
Maybe you should read this.
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Myths_%28Vinyl%29#Vinyl_requires_a_better-sounding_master_because_it_is_physically_incapable_of_reproducing_the_hypercompressed_sound_mastered_to_CD

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:31:07 2013 No.591126 File: 397 KB, 1284x1054, ftfyff7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>586362 >>588142 here we go

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:32:38 2013 No.591129
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>It's a blurry piece of shit get out of here van gogh you're drunk again i can't even see what's on the screen why don't you understand this isn't the way it was meant to be viewed are you stupid or something theres no definition and it's only 50Hz

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:34:07 2013 No.591134 File: 30 KB, 300x447, Mosaic01[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >what the fuck you idiot can't you even draw a straight line or anything

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:35:07 2013 No.591135 >>591123 Sounds better to me. That's all I really need to know. Just like it looks better to me. I don't fuck with CDs anymore, or any filter but Blargg's NTSC. I'll sleep just fine if you disapprove.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:35:07 2013 No.591137 >>591123 You keep saying shit like "it's not a serious medium" and then you link to a page that talks about how both formats are legitimate for different reasons. Way to go, bud.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:36:08 2013 No.591140 File: 115 KB, 475x599, 475px-The_Scream[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >wow it's like a baby drew it or something are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:38:08 2013 No.591145 File: 152 KB, 800x587, 800px-Camille_Pissarro_019[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this is worse than van gogh and that idiot with the tiles combined fuck i hate you people you're all fucking idiots i hope you die fuck this im outta here

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:38:08 2013 No.591146 >>591137 Excuse me? Vinyl has its uses, mainly on old albums, but almost any album made past the mid 80s will be OBJECTIVELY better on CD.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:38:08 2013 No.591150 >>591058 >Playing 2d games without filters isn't authentic. If I wanted Authenticity I would go buy an ArcadeVGA or something. Fuck Filters. I like to see the crisp detail of an Artist's pixels.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:39:38 2013 No.591153 >>591146 Can you just STFU now? You're right okay. No one cares.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:40:38 2013 No.591159 >>591150 That's good, man. Just thought you mistakenly thought it was more authentic.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:42:08 2013 No.591165 >>591146 wow youre right its like the artists should all die so we can only ever hear them on vinyl your so smart

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:42:08 2013 No.591167 >>591153 People cared until they got proven wrong. I'll just link these in case any other audio discussions come up as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:44:08 2013 No.591173

>>591146
And there are still vinyl remasters done with the format in mind. Just get off your fucking high horse and chalk it up to personal preference. Claiming that some people are stupid for enjoying things for different reasons makes you a huge asshole.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:45:08 2013 No.591175 >>591137 Except the site says it's legitimate >"as long as the preference is honestly stated on emotional terms, or is precisely quantified and tied to subjective experience, and not obscured with (fallacious) technical appeals."

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:48:39 2013 No.591187

>Vinyl vs CD
>FLAC vs MP3
>Digital amp vs analog
>Headphones
>Computer mouse
>Keyboards (mechanical)
>Filters
>Various software applications

One of these will invariably be better than the other, and I use the one which supports my argument best in defense of my opinion.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:48:39 2013 No.591189

>>591173
>And there are still vinyl remasters done with the format in mind
Such as?

>Just get off your fucking high horse and chalk it up to personal preference. Claiming that some people are stupid for enjoying things for different reasons makes you a huge asshole.
Sorry, but if you take an album that has the same master on both CD and vinyl and compare them, the CD is objectively superior. There's no argument, it's more accurate, will not distort, has no clicks/pops (vinyl has these pressed into them, so even a laser turn table would not avoid this) etc.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:49:38 2013 No.591192

>>591175
You contradicted that exact quote when you first contested the analogy of video games to vinyl. People like these things for different reasons. The other poster even explained that he liked these games because of the flaws sometimes, like a vinyl record can have.

You had to jump down somebody's throat like an asshole to prove how smart you are on a subject that no one was even discussing. We're all so impressed.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:50:38 2013 No.591194 >>591189 But the clicks and pops are one of the things I love the most. Fuck me, I just meant this as a metaphor, I'm sorry for bringing it up.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:51:09 2013 No.591201 >>591187 >my opinion Pfft, look at this faggot. He makes his own opinions. Get with the times, gramps.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:52:08 2013 No.591203

>>591192
The discussion is about trying to accurately reproduce video games as they were on CRT TVs.
Saying anything positive about vinyl implies it's some how better or more correct, which is not true.
Yes, I'm an asshole, but I'm a correct asshole. I don't go on "opinion", I go on fact.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:53:38 2013 No.591205 >>591189 Radiohead's catalog got vinyl remasters with the "From The Capitol Vaults" line.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:53:38 2013 No.591206 Okay the first time I played all the 3d FFs was on a tv from the 80s What the fuck were people using to get those scanlines? I've never fucking seen them unless my old CRT was fucking up

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:55:08 2013 No.591213

>>591203

>autism

I never said it was better, just that I thought the flaws were comforting, like a real human who maybe had other things to worry about and was a lot like the rest of us was involved. You can play games/listen to music however you like, but there's a huge group of people, myself included, who don't fuck with CDs and only listen to vinyl, and like flaws and scanlines in their games. And that's just as okay for us as what you like to do is for you.

Only on 4chan would I have to explain basic realities of human existence to someone.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 03:57:08 2013 No.591219 File: 1.38 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2122.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591206 Scanlines were really only prominent on sony's trinitron line.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:58:08 2013 No.591229
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>>591203
>Saying anything positive about vinyl implies it's some how better or more correct, which is not true.

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. "Saying a good thing about something I don't like implies that it's a good thing, which is incorrect."

What a fucking moron.

>>591213
You're cool, dude.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 03:58:38 2013 No.591225 File: 1.45 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2306.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591219

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:58:39 2013 No.591227 >>591219 I remember them and I don't think we had anything by Sony.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:59:08 2013 No.591230 >>591206 You really don't notice them unless you look for them. It's kind of like that steel mesh that's on the outside of your windows. It's too subtle to notice unless you try to focus on it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 03:59:38 2013 No.591232 >>590741 We don't have high enough resolution for that you genious

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:00:38 2013 No.591235 >>591227 That's why I said prominent. >>591232 Getting there.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:01:09 2013 No.591240 >>591235 Honestly I don't think we'll ever get much further than 2500x1600, our eyes start not noticing the pixels.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:02:38 2013 No.591243 >>591225 lol that doesn't even look like a CRT filters are so stupid >>590741 I want to see this picture with the pixels to scale of each other.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:03:38 2013 No.591250 File: 1.23 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2127.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591243 Huehuehue

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:13:08 2013 No.591271 >>591240 Uh, 4K displays are right around the corner.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:14:08 2013 No.591273 >>591271 I was talking for desktops. TVs are a different ballgame.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:15:08 2013 No.591278 >>591273 Well, it's a good thing PCs can be connected to TVs. Slap a 4K-compatible CRT shader, and we're golden.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:19:38 2013 No.591284

>>591278
Well sure, but only in a very long future. Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution (I think) and it'll have to process all those filters in a 4K resolution and with multipass. It's too much shit to process, your framerate would slow down to a crawl. It's going to be a long wait

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:21:38 2013 No.591287
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How can I connect my PC to an old CRT TV? My gtx 460 videocard doesn't have any analog outputs, and the only thing my old1993 Goldstar TV has is a composite output. How can I pass the signal from my PC to the TV in this case? Are there any devices to do that?

t, Russian

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:24:39 2013 No.591294 >>591287 There are cheap VGA to composite converters, but I personally dislike that option, as it would result in an interlaced display, which is not what old games output. But if you can live with that, well, there you go.

KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:28:38 2013 No.591302

>>591284
>Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution
There are AMD cards(not sure about nvidia)that support 5 monitors, which at 1920x1080, involves rendering ~2million more pixels than 4K "Ultra High Def" involves. It even out sizes most of the other "4K" formats, with "Full Aperture being the exception.

>it'll have to process all those filters in a 4K resolution and with multipass
What is crossfire/SLI. A bit much for emulation, but still.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:31:08 2013 No.591308 >>591232 In a 1920x1080 display no But we have the technology to provide a 4k TV, which would likely be sufficient.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:31:08 2013 No.591313 >>591302 >What is crossfire/SLI Do those things actually work? By definition it seems really clumsy

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:32:08 2013 No.591315

>>591284
>Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution (I think)
Plenty do. Even Intel GPUs can do 4096x4096 max.

>it'll have to process all those filters in a 4K resolution and with multipass. It's too much shit to process, your framerate would slow down to a crawl. It's going to be a long wait
My 7950 can play Crysis 1 at 3840x2160 (using the console to oversample) at around 15-25 FPS. If it can do that then it can easily apply a filter to a 256 x 224 video game in real time.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:34:09 2013 No.591323 >>591313 Yes. Last I checked, AMD still has slight trouble with microstutter though. I wouldn't mind getting another flashable 6950 to go along with my current one, just for shits and giggles.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:45:08 2013 No.591353 File: 653 KB, 1280x1080, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The way it was meant to be played. I can't seem to find a widescreen hack though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:47:08 2013 No.591359 >>591353 Just drag the sides to the edge of your screen, bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:48:38 2013 No.591365 File: 713 KB, 1920x1080, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591353 There we go.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:49:38 2013 No.591369

>>591294
So there's no way to get your pc to output in 320x240?

What if uh... What if I were to purchase an older video adapter? Didn't some of them have analog outputs like composite and s-video? There's a pawn shop not 5 minutes from my house that has loads of old GPUs for dirt cheap.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:50:08 2013 No.591380

>>591369
It's possible, but it usually requires some kind of driver trickery, and it may depend on the card.

Older GPUs might be capable of it, yes. But no guarantees. 15KHz output was considered largely obsolete and was thus unsupported since the advent of SVGA or so, which was a long fucking time ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:50:08 2013 No.591381 >>591365 I know you're trolling, but you seem to be honestly confusing widescreen hacks and wrong aspect ratios, though. A widescreen hack enables the game to actually display at a widescreen resolution, i.e. you see more stuff on the left and right.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:50:38 2013 No.591375

>>591284
>Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors
>3840×2400
>IBM T220 comes with a Matrox G200 MMS video card and two power supplies.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrox_G200
>It was released in 1998.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:51:09 2013 No.591386 File: 802 KB, 1704x960, pcsxr 2013-03-01 21-45-33-19.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591381 Like this.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:51:39 2013 No.591384 >>591375 The T221 runs as either two logical 1920x2400 screens or four logical 1920x1200 screens.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:53:08 2013 No.591395 >>591384 It's still rendering the same number of pixels.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:54:08 2013 No.591403 >>591381 >>591386 Relax, I was just kidding. Now a serious question, how do I beat that fucking level?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:54:09 2013 No.591397 >>591384 Both of those add up to 4k at 16:10. Imagine the shit we could do with todays cards.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:54:38 2013 No.591398 >>591395 Just because a card can do multiple screens that add up to 3840x2400 doesn't mean it can do 3840x2400. There's a reason the T221 had to have logical screens.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:55:08 2013 No.591406
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>>591369
Won't be the games a bit laggy with an old video adapter? I guess, I could buy some old pci-e videocard with s-video output, but will the emulators be working fine? Or it just depends on the CPU power? And can 2 videocards work simultaniously in a single PC case? I don't want to bother replacing videocards every time I want to play emulated games.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:55:08 2013 No.591407 >>591398 The card in question is also 15 years old. Implying that modern GPUs can't do as such is rather silly.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:56:08 2013 No.591410 File: 739 KB, 1280x956, pcsxr 2013-05-02 03-54-30-49.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't mind me. Carry on.

Anonymous Thu May 2 04:56:08 2013 No.591415

I just found out about Blarrg's NTSC (Composite) and I tested it out a bit. It's not too bad, it really does look like my old TV. It's fun for certain games, but when I do LP's I just do normal with MAYBE bilinear filtering. I think hq3xS is decent for upscaling on something that's bigger than 23" or so but that's as far as I'll go.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:56:38 2013 No.591413 >>591398 >Just because a card can do multiple screens that add up to 3840x2400 doesn't mean it can do 3840x2400. That's exactly what that means.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:57:38 2013 No.591418 File: 73 KB, 634x430, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591406 I think most emulators let you choose which GPU to use.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 04:58:38 2013 No.591421 >>591418 The real question is whether or not Windows would let the two play nice or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 04:58:38 2013 No.591423 >>591406 Emulation is mostly CPU, but I'm only concerned about pre-3D emulation anyways. IIRC, even some of the early Radeon HD series had s-video out.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:00:08 2013 No.591428 >>591421 What's wrong with using two separate video adapters? Wouldn't it work like using multiples of any other device(microphones, wi-fi adapters, controllers, etc), or does PCIe just not work like that? I've never tried it before myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:01:08 2013 No.591430 >>591407 I never said modern GPUs can't do it, but yes, a lot of modern GPUs can't do 4k resolutions either. By modern I mean pretty much every GPU in the past 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:02:38 2013 No.591435 >>586362 mine looks like the pixel perfect output or what it actually looked like on my tv, i cant remember now

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:02:38 2013 No.591437 >>591430 >I never said modern GPUs can't do it >Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution wat

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:03:08 2013 No.591439 >>591437 I never said that second line.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:05:08 2013 No.591445 File: 169 KB, 4000x3000, muhshadowmask.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 05:05:08 2013 No.591446 >>591439 see >>591284 >Right now there's still no card that supports that kind of resolution Unless you are a different anon. Also, AMD 7900 series has 4096x2160 listed as it's max SINGLE DISPLAY resolution.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:06:08 2013 No.591448 File: 9 KB, 398x90, selection.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:08:09 2013 No.591456

>>591448
Accidentally hit submit.

>>591446
Pic related.

>Also, AMD 7900 series has 4096x2160 listed as it's max SINGLE DISPLAY resolution.
And the the 5xxx and 6xxx series couldn't go past 2560 pixel width resolutions. That's my point. Up until recently GPUs haven't supported 4k.

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:10:08 2013 No.591463

>>586460

no

it looks smoother and clearer

that makes it far easier to see how crude the models are; the texture filtering and overall resolution are more sophisticated than the frickin game itself is

it's like looking at Action Comics #1 with a magnifying glass because you want to see all the tiny perfect beautiful realistic details that the artist DID NOT ACTUALLY PUT THERE, these things are classic for a reason but the reason isn't that they're highly detailed

my opinion has more words than yours and is therefore righter

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:11:38 2013 No.591468

Yeh, thanks guys, looks like it is possible to use 2 separate video adapters on one pc for an additional video output. I'm going to take a walk and buy some old shitty videocard. I hope there are some in my shithole, as usually in Russia they stop to sell old stuff anywhere, if the new one gets cheap, and people usually throw old hardware into the trash bin. I doubt there are some old videocards in my town, but I'll try to find one.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:13:38 2013 No.591481 >>591456 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZdM2PWS39c This guy seems to be doing fine with a 460.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:14:08 2013 No.591483 File: 168 KB, 4000x3000, 640x480.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:14:08 2013 No.591485 File: 1.41 MB, 2560x3038, why.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] found some old screens from when i emulated the game please tell me this is what it should look like

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:14:08 2013 No.591486 >>591481 Multiple screens are not the same as a single large resolution. Again, multiple screens are not the same as having a single screen 4k resolution. Why do I have to keep repeating this?

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 05:15:38 2013 No.591493 File: 448 KB, 4000x3000, 1367485539132.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591445 >Those two lines >>591481 His point is that most cards can't do it one a single monitor. I already brought up multi setups.

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:15:38 2013 No.591494

>>586517

this is the only shot of this game I've ever seen that didn't look completely crappy

I mean I probably wouldn't play it this way, because if you're not playing FFVII for historical/nostalgic reasons then why in the world are you playing it

but it looks pretty cool

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:15:38 2013 No.591495 >>591486 Left: Viewsonic VP2290b (3840x2400) Middle: Dell 3007 WFP (2560x1600) Right: Dell 2007FP (1600x1200)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:16:38 2013 No.591497 >>591486 Nevermind, I should have read the description. Either way I said most modern GPUs can't. It's not surprising that nVidia is ahead of the game with resolution support as well.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 05:17:08 2013 No.591504 >>591495 >Left: Viewsonic VP2290b (3840x2400) Is a rebranded T220/221

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:17:08 2013 No.591505

>>586621

no it is not why

Trinitrons are widely considered to be the best because people are stupid and opinions that are easy to justify get passed around more easily

the best CRT though is whatever one you had as a kid when you were forming your strongest standards and opinions concerning "best"ness

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:17:39 2013 No.591498 File: 154 KB, 3840x2880, 640x480.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:18:08 2013 No.591506 >>591497 Actually now I take that back too. The viewsonic seems to be one of the T221 rebrands, meaning multiple logical screens. http://www.manualslib.com/manual/266544/Viewsonic-Vp2290b.html?page=31<wbr>

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:19:38 2013 No.591508 >>591497 The 400 series wasn't the first that could run a T221.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:20:08 2013 No.591510 >>586749 you should leave 4chan for good then no seriously it's a drain on your life energy just leave

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 05:20:08 2013 No.591514 >>591510 >just leave I can't ;_;

Anonymous Thu May 2 05:21:08 2013 No.591516
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>>591505
>Trinitrons are widely considered to be the best because people are stupid and opinions that are easy to justify get passed around more easily
No you dumb fuck, they're the best because of a variety of reasons, the main one being the subpixels were actually laid out decently.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Thu May 2 05:21:08 2013 No.591517 >>591508 And a T221 is 2(or 4) logical screens.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 10:59:09 2013 No.592457 File: 356 KB, 691x426, 1365477862531.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>591369 >have fairly old nvidia card >does 320x200/240 flawlessy >suddenly update driver >320x200/240 is now 640x400 with unscaled frame buffer

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 11:03:09 2013 No.592462 >>592457 "Who plays games released before 2006 anymore?" ~Nvidia

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:45:39 2013 No.593340 >>591516 I prefer the traditional mask.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:54:09 2013 No.593374 >>591313 It works in that you get a performance boost, but twice the cards DOES NOT equal twice the performance and because you'll be paying twice the price it's really not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:57:09 2013 No.593390 >>591369 If your television has RGB inputs, you can set your video card to output at 240p and just go straight from the VGA port.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:57:09 2013 No.593396 >>591485 Depends. Does it look how you want it to look? Are you happy with it? If yes, then that is what it should look like.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:57:09 2013 No.593397 >>593340 An aperture grille allows more of the electron beam's energy to reach the phosphors.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 15:28:09 2013 No.593553 >>593397 It doesn't need more energy. It needs more reactive and faster dissipating phosphors.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 18:20:43 2013 No.594319 >>586480 how. what. that looks neat

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