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DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread >>5836784

Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other retro FPS welcome
~~ Let's post like gentlemen ~~


Doom, Quake, Duke, Marathon, or Thief:
-Album of infographics with setup information and user-made content recommendations

Same thing, but in video format:

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B47V8l2eVZKxRU82S3JkZkdBRXM
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake pastebin (2016-06-22): http://pastebin.com/XjBHDRFw
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
More /vr/ shooters
Doom Shovelware

Doom RPG series

Launchers for Build Engine games



Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/








>> No.5841990

=== ONGOING ===

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Ended, pretty much waiting for a final release

Ion Fury
-Devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring
-Tourists: there is already a backup of the original release in OP, no need for extra mirrors

=== NEWS ===

[8-27] Anon releases his unfinished project, free for cannibalizing

[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets

[8-23] Paradise v2 final version out

[8-23] Doom Mobile RPG page taken down, reuploaded to Mega

[8-22] James and ClintLGR made an Chex AVGN video

[8-22] Anon uploads obscure retro FPS'

[8-21] SM200 for Quake released, mixed themes

[8-20] Anon releases his commercial shovelware compilation, all extracted

[8-18] Hell-Forged released

[8-17] Oni gameplay mod Naku Naru 1.1 relesed

[8-15] 'Out for Blood', an episode of Blood maps

[8-15] Anon map release: Bloody Pulp.wad

[8-14] Anon map release, he wants feedback

=== PREVIOUS ===


== PROTIP ==

To submit news, please reply and anchor it to this post.

>> No.5841996
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Is there a mod for GZDoom that paints the tracers shooting from the player so they're visible in-game for a couple seconds, and you can see where they collide and how many of them? I feel it would be very useful to get a feel for the weapon, but I couldn't find one from an initial search

Webm is from an anon last thread showing off a map to practice two-shotting cyberdemons on a 384 unit platform:

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>> No.5842004

>tfw I gave up on playing that trash

>> No.5842005

>he got stuck in the trash compactor

>> No.5842019

Would Tom Hall's Doom have been a better or worse game than what we got?

>> No.5842047

Worse fps game. If you want something more akin to it, gameplay wise, it sounds somewhat like system shock. Item usage, somewhat more "real" environments... That sort of thing.

>> No.5842050
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she's coming back, bros
i can feel it coming in the air tonight

>> No.5842053

This is not to say that ss1 is bad btw. Just that it's not an fps game on par with Doom, like Doom isn't a first person rpg like ss1 is. Different game entirely, and that's likely how Tom halls would've been.

>> No.5842054

Well, you have a shooter game MOSTLY designed and directed by Hall. Have you played through the entirety of demo campaign to it (+3 bonus levels), the game itself and the addon to it? It's ridiculously fucking repetitive.

>> No.5842056
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This map was fun. Couldn't figure out how to open that last secret, though.

>> No.5842058

I couldn't either, I had to open Doombuilder to find it.

>> No.5842060

Doom 2 would have had better maps, probably.

>> No.5842062

Hall is Doom64 tier mapper at best.

>> No.5842069

That's not saying much, Dead Simple, Refueling Base, Circle of Death, Inmost Dens, and The Living End are all fantastic maps that rival even a lot of good pwad maps, plus Refueling Base was originally a Tom Hall map. Generally speaking, maps that were started by Tom Hall and finished by Sandy Petersen were arguably where Petersen shat the bed the least

>> No.5842075

Try any of the recreations to see for yourself. Like Doom Delta.

>> No.5842115

>-Devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring

Didn't the patch get cancelled outright?

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>> No.5842120

Is there not a patch with bugfixes and such happening?

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>> No.5842126

They're still updating it, they just announced OGAY won't be removed

>> No.5842128


>> No.5842139

then any doom mod isn't retro
only wads that run in DOS doom are allowed

>> No.5842141

boom is retro too

>> No.5842160

Actually, i just remembered zdoom was originally released in like 1999. So nevermind, gzdoom is 100% retro

>> No.5842174
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Was this supposed to be fun?

Some of the level design was okay but it was just 'artificial difficulty: the iwad'. It just threw so much arch-villes and and revenants at you just to make it """hard""".

I now understand why some people call save scumming a bullshit filter.

TNT: Evilution was the better Final Doom IWAD and you all know it.

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That's what it was going for, some people like that kind of difficulty.
If you don't, just turn it down a notch.

>> No.5842189

Funny how most people seem to think either TNT is great and Plutonia sucks or vice versa. I myself also prefer TNT but I've come around slowly to Plutonia over the years.

>> No.5842190

High five, Narwitz.

>> No.5842191

>artificial difficulty
Stopped reading there.

>> No.5842205

>tfw ZDoom was the reason Boom ceased development

>> No.5842208

Ty Halderman 2 - The Re-Boomening

>> No.5842227

I was always 50/50. I'd say tht maps were more fun to explore but lacked memorable encounters. If I had to pick I'd maybe go with tnt.

>> No.5842245

I like TNT's soundtrack a lot. Nice tunes

>> No.5842250

TNT:R had some decent reimaginings of those tracks. Nice surprise.

>> No.5842253

Is there a mod that accurately imitates D64 weapons?
I know there's the TC that allows playing with mods in GZDoom but I found nothing regarding weapons.

>> No.5842254

Fun fact, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin was originally a GZDoom game ala Hedon before moving to Darkplaces

>> No.5842257

Smooth Doom has Doom64 weapons

>> No.5842262

Thanks for the answer. I didn't know that.

>> No.5842269

Just reskins. I imagine that D64 has changes that aren't just cosmetic.

>> No.5842271


>> No.5842279

120% Pleb

>> No.5842280

Latest versions have them alter gameplay

>> No.5842292
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>Re: Doom

I want to create a big effect of a swirling abyss in the sky, any ideas on how to do this in a Doom map? It's UDMF format.

>> No.5842296
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I have access to all the game assets, I really want to bring this to an engine with higher resolutions (and modern-ish) features.

>> No.5842298

In the distant background? A skybox.

>> No.5842309

I'm some guy and I'm coming to fry the rest of you friggin' aliens!

>> No.5842318

>If you don't, just turn it down a notch
But I don't want people telling me they have a bigger penis than me because I don't play on UV.

>> No.5842319

does gzdoom not run pol.wad anymore? I'm trying brutal doom, and want to see how it works in the first room

>> No.5842330
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visualizing the bfg tracers is a bit of a pain, since A_BFGSpray calls the autoaim functions directly and the autoaim functions only return what was hit
I can tell you that there's 40 rays, and they shoot out in a 90 degree spread (vertical spread is 64 degrees, but it acts weird the further up or down you look) with a range of 1024 units

also, are you a bad enough dude to kill a cyberdemon while stuck in melee range? cuz I added a 256 unit platform to that map: https://files.catbox.moe/rbjezp.wad

>> No.5842334

This. I don't know why everyone shits on Doom II, when it's level design surpassed greatly the first Doom. Doom II has longer, complex levels than Doom I.

>> No.5842336

>when it's level design surpassed greatly the first Doom
Bigger =/= better

>> No.5842343

longer ≠ better

>> No.5842351
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>brutal doom

>> No.5842369
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As far as I know, yeah.
He had some cancer a year back or so, but crowdfunded chemo and apparently it went into remission and he's a lot better.

He did an interview or two a while back, talking about some of his experiences in his job back then, some about Doom, and addressing that widely held myth about Doom's music and its legality.

>> No.5842380

Just to be absolutely safe, we should probably maintain downloads for the original 1.0 version of Ion Fury even if updated versions are uploaded as well.

>> No.5842382

Some anons will probably look through the data after the patch anyway.

>> No.5842383

I like Chex Quest, I like rpg

>> No.5842387

Weeeeell there was a 30 something mb patch today

>> No.5842398

what's the best midi player?

>> No.5842402

I've switched over to the omnimidi driver with the spliced weedsgm4 soundfont: https://www.mediafire.com/file/er4klqrtv98joa6/SplicedWeedsGM4.sf2/file

>> No.5842405

what makes it better than virtualmidisynth? I've been using that one but I'm not sure if it's the best one

>> No.5842434

as far as I understand, most of what makes it better only matters to people who do more than listen to MIDIs
it has a cooler name, and that's good enough for me

>> No.5842443

Fluidsynth works just fine. Don't need any fancy stuff.

>> No.5842481

>vertical spread is 64 degrees
Isn't vertical spread realized in world units somehow, rather than degrees? I think I've read something like that on the Doom wiki, and have seen someone attributing most weapons' very horizontal spread to that (basically it would get tighter vertically the further you are because in fact it's only able to spread further to the sides while the height is fixed)

>> No.5842498

Probably worse.
The thing with Tom and Doom was that he was really set on the idea of telling a deeper story and focusing on realistic environments, when this wasn't really a suitable direction. The game as envisioned by him initially might have been pretty good, but it probably wouldn't have had nearly as strong gameplay.

When Tom left for Apogee and was put in charge of Rise Of The Triad (originally Wolfenstein 2), I think something clicked with him and he decided do a lot of things the opposite of what he tried for Doom, far less realism, make it less serious and mature, have story take a backseat, and since Doom decided to shed a lot of the old arcade baggage from Wolfenstein 3D, Tom went the other way to crank that shit up for ROTT, to make it even more different from Doom.
The result is a really violent and goofy shooter with a tone comparable classic Mortal Kombat, with gameplay like a bona fide arcade shmup, but as an FPS.

I'm incredibly happy that ROTT was made, and I think Tom leaving for other things was the best possible outcome, at the same time, what he did contribute to Doom that actually stuck was incredibly valuable, like teleporters, flying monsters, and a dozen levels which were well retrofitted to what Doom was destined to be.

If you're talking about ROTT, I think it's like Wolf3D but much better in basically every way.
On the expansion, Extreme Rise Of The Triad, I will actually recommend most people not play it, as it's actually rather obtuse and unfair, it's not challenging in a fun way.

>> No.5842512
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no, it's definitely based off relative pitch

>> No.5842515
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Doom 2 would probably have been so different that it wouldn't be easily comparable to what it is now.

>Dead Simple, Refueling Base, Circle of Death, Inmost Dens, and The Living End are all fantastic maps that rival even a lot of good pwad maps,
This is true, Doom 2, for its criticism, has a lot of very good maps.

>plus Refueling Base was originally a Tom Hall map. Generally speaking, maps that were started by Tom Hall and finished by Sandy Petersen were arguably where Petersen shat the bed the least
That's not how I'd put it, because Sandy is unironically a very good mapper. I will say that some of the best maps of Doom 1 are maps which he recycled from Tom, like E2M2, E2M4, E2M7, and E3M3, but Sandy also manufactured such maps from the ground up, without using Tom's leftovers, with E2M5 and E2M6.
A lot of Doom 2's best levels were by Sandy for that matter.

Because with Doom 2 Sandy got a way bigger workload dumped on him than he should have, so though he put together quite a lot of good maps, a few of them are really weak, it doesn't help that Shawn is a mediocre at best mapper, and Romero, who's actually a really good mapper, doing less maps than he did for Doom 1.

>> No.5842524

t. Sandy Petersen

>> No.5842525
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I wish I was as chad as Sandy.

>> No.5842538

I admit that Sandy is a Chad, but not as Chad as any of the Casalis.

>> No.5842546
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Poor Corzo, he has been drained of all his life energy

>> No.5842550

nice, on 1.0 you can clip through trash cans of you crouch into them

>> No.5842581

I think he has way more kids, and grandkids, than they do, probably, also Plutonia was based heavily on the original Doom and Doom 2 maps, so it's part of Sandy's legacy as well.

Like if you start to look at Plutonia closer, most of it is based on iD maps.

>> No.5842593

Boom as we know it was "Phase 1" of a planned greater project by TeamTNT. Phase 2 was intended to be built off of ZDoom, but never went anywhere.

"Does BOOM have high resolution (640x480, etc.) video settings?"

"No, that didn't make it into Phase I. We were concerned about just turning on other resolutions without proper scaling of menus, status bar, etc. and so chose to defer that to Phase II when we'd have time to do it right."

>> No.5842604

I'd still genuinely like to see what Tom, Sandy and American could do with modern mapping stuff.

I'd probably care more than I did about Sigil, which got way overhyped for what it was.

>> No.5842606

I dunno how obvious or not it is, but.

A lot of Milo Casali's maps from Plutonia feature extreme amounts of fuckery with auto-aim distance.
Like, guys who successfully target you, but you can't target them, when in your favorite hiding spot / cover, due to difference in height, and auto-aim not working due to distance being too large.
Kinda like it was in Industrial Zone, but pushed to 11.
So what do you do? Do you just run there, tanking it, and dispose of fuckers as fast as you can?
Actually, there is another way. Rocket's splash component of the damage ignores the height difference. So, rocket launcher becomes the only tool capable of getting those fuckers without leaving the safety of your cover.
This basically makes your rockets the strategic reserve for Special Occasions only and takes them out of all the "ordinary" combat entirely. Especially on pistolstarts.
Therefore, all ordinary combat you do with everything other than rockets which MIGHT lead to some ammo shortage.
And you DO need to save up on those rockets, how else are you gonna splash that archvile tucked just there?

Anyway, what I wanted to say, Milo's part of Plutonia emphasizes a part of Doom's gameplay, that hasn't ever been utilized in its official campaigns: splash damage ignoring height difference.

>> No.5842623

I'd love to as well.
I found that Sigil was exactly what I expected it to be, so I wasn't disappointed.

>> No.5842637

I expected Sigil to be about average really, which is what it came across like to me. I never bought it being the official ep 5 thing, or the weird expectation that it was going to be ep 1 style maps.

Some of the maps seemed like afterthoughts / partial afterthoughts, particularly the secret level and the end section of the last map.

>> No.5842641

I expected something like Romero's E4 and Doom 2 work, not mindblowing by modern standards but pretty good.

>never bought it being the official ep 5 thing
It feels like an extended E4 to me, which is about the best I could have hoped for.
Official is a strong word with Doom. To me, the canon is more loose, if you pardon that pun.

>or the weird expectation that it was going to be ep 1 style maps
That was weird to me, to see people assume that's what it was gonna be.

>> No.5842667

Unfortunately it felt a lot more E4M2 than E4M6 to me, which is a shame because while they're both hard, E4M6 is a lot more interesting with its difficulty, and is just a more exciting map in general.

Who even decides what is and isn't the real E5, or "canon" with old Doom anyway?

>> No.5842668

>tfw ion fury is actually really fun
Well I'll be. I guess I ought to give these older fps another look. Probably will want to replay Doom and Duke 3D, and I've never even finished Doom 2 or Quack 2. Never tried Shadow Warrior or Blood. Pretty sure there's a bunch of other noteworthy stuff I'm forgetting, too.

>> No.5842674

Arguably it's id who gets to decide what is an official E5, it's their property after all.

Sigil is about as official as if anybody else from old id went and made a handful of maps and called it a megawad.

>> No.5842678

Considering that Willits is gone, isn't there not a single person working at id today who touched a Doom game before Doom 3?

>> No.5842679

Much worse. Look at the trainwreck of ROTT, that shows what Hall can do in the lead. It was a miserable, badly aged game.

Hate him or not, Romero made Doom to the game we liked.

>> No.5842687

I think there's like one audio dude left.

It's still property of the company even though id is basically a meat puppet being jiggled about by Zenimax to sell stuff off the back of nostalgia.

>> No.5842691

Kevin Cloud is still there, probably somewhere in the art department. I've heard Donna Jackson is still around, too.

>> No.5842705

I feel like there's a reason why it's not used. Infinite splash height can be useful, but it's
1) not intuitive at all, and it's extremely difficult to communicate that it's a thing with 1994 tech. And since it's really not obvious, the average player's reaction would be along the lines of "the fuck is this unfair bullshit?";
2) even when used, it feels less like a proper mechanic and more like a bug or an oversight. This would make the game's perception among the public worse.

>> No.5842719

>Who even decides what is and isn't the real E5, or "canon" with old Doom anyway?
The player who's currently playing whatever it is.

>> No.5842724

So I can decide Imp Encounter is canon?

>> No.5842734
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I mean, it's your headcanon.

>> No.5842738
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I love shelly's expression in this one

>> No.5842740

post Shelly ass

>> No.5842743
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shots fired

>> No.5842749

i thought that artist quit arting

>> No.5842751

Now I want this as a Left 4 Dead 2 character pack

>> No.5842757

>Somewhere out there, there is an alternate timeline where Kyle Katarn's adventures are canonized as the third Star Wars trilogy

>> No.5842758
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>using remake Lo Wang

>> No.5842764

I like him better than original Lo Wang, because I hate that voice a lot.

>> No.5842767

yeah, makes no sense because the new one never starred in a build engine game with functional toilets

>> No.5842769

sinks dont work in ion fury

>> No.5842779

Did Erik Alm ever say why he retired from Doom mapping, or did he just vanish?

>> No.5842781

i want to be shelly's functional toilet

>> No.5842782
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you look like a stupid


>> No.5842792

He's supposed to be the same character.

What can I say? Duke's voice is golden and pleasing, classic Wang's voice is like nails on chalkboard to me.

>> No.5842794

your taste's shit m8

>> No.5842798

I like how he gets serious from time to time

>> No.5842804


>> No.5842805

a lot of them were more gimmicky, brown looking and complicated
they were still memorable, even when they're at the lowest

>> No.5842806

sounds like someone doesn't wANTA SOME WANG

>> No.5842808

He’s not the same.

>> No.5842813
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I know. It's just what I like.

He is, that was the plan, that he'd grow into him. Whether or not that will ever come to fruition now is dubious, given what a fucking awful mistake Shadow Warrior 2 was.
It's probably a different canon, though.

I'm not saying you guys have to love him, mind, just stating my own feelings.

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>> No.5842819

I'd also like to know.

>> No.5842820

It's really obscure but look for some other bars that have the same textures.

>> No.5842826

they are the sons of the "love is" cartoonist and one has a controversial birth story or something
i wonder if she lived long enough to see her songs being associated with doom

>> No.5842832

>He's supposed to be the same character.
No, the reboot uses different characters, being a fucking reboot and all.

>> No.5842847
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>Build is custom license and is free for non-commercial use
>The very similar Jedi Engine, however, is fully proprietary

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>> No.5842865

Because Lucasarts and now Disney.

>> No.5842883


Looking forward for Carmack to tell Joe the battle axe stroy

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>> No.5842890

is shelly dukes girlfriend

>> No.5842892

Why does doom not have 10-point or 25-point armor pickups similar to the stimpack and medkit? The only pickups for armor are 1, 100, or 200 points.

>> No.5842895

It was most likely meant as a back story where he would grow into the kind of character that OG Wang was.

Because you get armor bonuses instead.

>> No.5842896

I imagine Shelly would be the abusive drunkard gf in that dynamic

>> No.5842897
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this guy also did a night sentinel themed berserk box

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Recommend me some wads, I've completed doom 1 and doom 2 and feel like playing more because they are so fucking fun, should I give plutonia and tnt a go? Already finished sigil with the buckethead soundtrack and had a blast, also tried pirates and fistful but didn't finish them, they looked cool though

>> No.5842908

tnt revilution
plutona 2/revisited
200/300 minutes of /vr/
doom 2 reloaded
doom 1/2 the way id did
good morning phobos
memento mori
back to saturn x
japanese community project
phobosdeimos anomaly
epic 1/2
going down
alien vendetta
the rebirth
scythe 1/2
uac ultra

>> No.5842909

what is NAM

>> No.5842915

a lesser known Build game.

>> No.5842923

TNT and Plutonia are good, if you handled Sigil's difficulty fine then you should be ready for them, no question.
Otherwise check out the Doom The Way Id Did series: DTWID, DTWID: Lost Episodes, and D2TWID, they're based around emulating iD Software's style in Doom and Doom 2.

Also check No Rest For The Living, though Nerve software suck at porting Doom to consoles, they did make a rock solid little episode to include in some of those ports, and it can be played on PC.

>> No.5842924

I would like to know more.

>> No.5842929

And he really did grow in SW 2013. Too bad writers forgot about that in the next game.

>> No.5842954

Best advice I ever heard with two-shotting the Cybie:

Fire the BFG once the 2nd rocket is fired. By the time the blast leaves your weapon, the third rocket should have just sailed past.

>> No.5842959

Kind of excited actually.
Will it be streamed live?

>> No.5842960
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>based around emulating iD's style
I'm skeptical of this. I mean, what even is iD's style supposed to be? Doom 1/2's maps often felt very different from each other, I didn't get a sense of a signature style out of them as a whole

>> No.5842968

I can't believe it! Corzo's an argentinian zombie! I also can't believe that Danny is a cyborg zombiejew! And why is Daina looking like a fish? Why is Thi a crazy granny? WHY ALL OF THEM ARE GRANNIES?! 0/10 would not slay demons with, but would eat cookies.

>> No.5842976

that's probably just the art style
works better with the artist's own characters, in their mods i guess
reminds me of that one splatoon artist that is really good at drawing squids and octos but when drawing characters outside of that, you can see that they're not used to something outside of that area
veemo or something

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Yeah, the plot was actually halfway decent, and though there's gaps and issues, particularly with Lo Wang himself, the story with Hoji and Ameonna was pretty good.

And then Shadow Warrior 2 takes a big fat shit on all of that, on top of being a VASTLY less fun game with shit enemies and shit maps, devolving into a cutrate Borderlands clone, a fucking blase lootershooter.
Lo Wang's new support character was intended as a morality pet, which I think has to be the absolute worst and misguided idea you could actually apply to a character like Lo Wang, especially given that the base idea is that he'll grow into the vicious and sadistic one man mercenary warlord that he is in the original game.
Hoji worked so well because he was a similar kind of foul playing bastard to Lo Wang (and also because he took every opportunity to mock him and make fun of him for being an idiot).
Even if Lo Wang wasn't intended to be evil, like Caleb, he was never a goody two shoes kind of protagonist.

I think the cherry on top of the shit sundae is that the cool sword the first game centers around is made a joke out of and turned into a complete shit and generic powerup item, and you at best can unlock a mediocre replica of it through a DLC that can't do any of the magic and is gold plated for no reason.

>> No.5842984

Daina looks like she's fallen on hard times.

>> No.5842991

I can certainly tell you that Corzo is not black enough to be one of us
but yeah Diana looks like she spent her whole life doing shitty pornos for peanuts

>> No.5842994

Some unbalanced mess based on the original DN3D code. Can be fun at times, but prepare to abuse quicksaves.

>> No.5842996

In the third level of Marathon, if you go up the service elevator and look on the right side wall for a secret door, you'll find a giant chasm with enemies in it and a teleporter pad up off the ground, you have to grenade jump up to it, then it will take to you an isolated secret room where you read about Gherritt White, a guy who has nothing to do with the rest of the story, but it is an interesting story, nonetheless.

>> No.5843001

That room is such utter bullshit.

>> No.5843004

The original pitch was to make maps which if someone told you they were an unused or lost map from the original Doom, made in 1993, would convincingly look as such. To look just like something Sandy, Shawn, or Romero would have made for 1993 era computers (and also what Sandy would probably have done with a hypothetical Tom level scrap), and with their 1993 era design sensibilities, to specifically emulate the style of each map author.
Likewise for Doom 2, adding American to that formula.

I'd say it's worth checking out, if you liked the original games you might appreciate them some. D2TWID is pretty much better than the original Doom 2, which I say as someone who actually likes Doom 2, and think some people exaggerates its flaws.

>> No.5843039

This Square is quite unnerving

>> No.5843065

Why the hell nobody uploaded this yet? Or am I blind?

>> No.5843107

Is that even legal? I mean them selling it.

>> No.5843129


probably because it looks like absolute dog shit.

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...and people still complain about the build games.

>> No.5843190

Redpill me on DOOM 64, worth playing the pc source port? I hear mixed opinions but never played it

>> No.5843192

I'd rather play that and Hacx than Tekwar and Paintbrawl

>> No.5843197

No, I think it was made with a reverse engineered Doom, before the source code was released, and it has some assets out of Duke Nukem 3D if I'm not mistaken.

TekWar is a lot better, for the fact that it works and is playable, but it's still a dogshit game.

>> No.5843205

How do I trenchbroom Hexen 2?

>> No.5843206

Noob here, going to use PRBoom+

I noticed Decino mentions what comp level he's using for his doom videos. What happens if I don't set it and just leave complevel at default? Will I be getting behaviour that shouldn't be happening in the vanilla maps? Or does the program detect what WAD it's using and then apply the correct complevel for it automatically?

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>> No.5843210

Plutonia is fun with the right mindset.
I feel the same when it comes to it's "artificial difficulty", but I'd say that it's more tedious than anything.
There are harder ways around anyways.

>> No.5843216
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How do I use a custom soundfont on Crispy Doom?

I only know how to load prerecorded SC-55 OGG files on it, but I don't know how to tell it to use the Emperor Grieferus soundfont, or even if it's possible to tell it to use Fluidsynth. Anyone know?

>> No.5843221

open trenchbroom, create new map, select game format hexen 2
add -hexen2 to the arguments for qbsp.exe (map compiler)

>> No.5843225

>dd -hexen2 to the arguments for qbsp.exe (map compiler)

Oh I see.

>> No.5843237

You'll probably get some inaccuracies on default settings in how things work compared to other compmodes.

This'll give you a rundown of what each mode tries to replicate: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/PrBoom

>> No.5843241

It's amusing to guess what game each of the graphics was stolen from. The pistol is definitely the DN3D pistol with some sci-fi looking plastic flaps added.
Yes, and? Will you lower your standards to nil if I code a shittier version of Wolfenstein 3D for you?

>> No.5843249

Can you fuck off, autistic spaz?

>> No.5843254

But for normal casual play, PRBoom+ on the default -1 compatibility setting is the way to go right? Since it uses the most recent bug fixes and whatnot

>> No.5843263

I understood the tutorial for quakespasm pretty easy I think.

But for Hexen 2 I suppose i need to do the same. Put the data1 folder and portals and respective paks.

>> No.5843302

is he right?

>> No.5843316
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Has anyone here solved the red keycard puzzle in Frozen Exuviae? (dobu_gm's submission for Joel's Doom Mapping Contest 2) I'm trying to go through all the maps in order and I really want to beat this one the legit way but this puzzle makes no sense to me.

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>> No.5843354

>doomguy and duke in the cover
>cyberdemon rip off

>> No.5843357
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>satan world
>yautja from predator
lmao what even is this

>> No.5843359

doom64 ex?
yea it's good
just remember that win10 players need a mouse fix patch

>> No.5843383

Imagine being killed by THAT wtf is he holding? a giant carrot with blood on it?

>> No.5843391

It's the Rapid Assault Weapon from Blake Stone. They didn't change even that.

>> No.5843402

Imagine being named American.

>> No.5843407

A bit like a Chinese knockoff car.
It kinda looks like it's cobbled together from three or four western cars, but it operates like a soviet-era field tractor.

>> No.5843443

Or Obnard.

>> No.5843470

Prove him wrong>>5843345

>> No.5843472
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>not Lara Croft
Why are you denying the truth.

>> No.5843487

lara is Duke's wife
shelly is his side girl

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these books were very confusing to me at age 12

>> No.5843497

So why is Lara all chained up in Shadow Warrior?

>> No.5843519

so I heard that people from /vr/ dislike brutal doom, is it true and why?

>> No.5843543

I wholeheartedly agree with you on both points.

That being said,for me, IndustrialZone-dness + "infinite splash height" are some of the most core, defining features of Plutonia, that truly give it its own flair. Far from the ONLY defining features, naturally.

>> No.5843574

based video game protagonist

>> No.5843579
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Brutal Doom was made by a group of black men, and /vr/ hates the colored people

>> No.5843585

BD was made by a Brazilian sperglord who hates women for some reason

>> No.5843587

She's into kinky stuff

>> No.5843597

Vr is a good guy, he loves brutal doom

>> No.5843602

Why were there still 2.5D games after 1996?

>> No.5843603

>some reason
there's your reason

>> No.5843608

The engines were cheaper and easier to work with than the fully 3D engines in the late 90s, as well as far less intensive, which just broadens your potential market.

>> No.5843612

use /vr/ archives from warosu and desuarchive
you'll find answers along with reposted links and screenshots

>> No.5843613

Fuck nu lara this is my thicc brunette right here.

>> No.5843615

Sure are a lot of men who love pretending to be one tho over there.

>> No.5843619

That looks pretty cool. Why cant we do stupid art like this anymore?

>> No.5843625

It was lighter on the hardware side, less expensive to produce and the licensing costs for the newest latest engine was a huge financial burden for small and mid sized studios.

>> No.5843629

Unpopular opinion: Duke Nukem wasn't that great and is overrated. It's like the "Back in Black" of FPS games.

>> No.5843635

Everything has to be realistic now...but on the other hand it's not, it's shit and bland

>> No.5843643

If that's how you feel

>> No.5843646

You're really not allowed to take risks now since companies burn too much money in development, so everything gets to be bland, samey shit that gets marketed to hell and back with a bigger marketing budget than the development budget.

>> No.5843654

brutal doom is the fucking nickelback of doom mods, that's why

>> No.5843656

If you said that about halo or hl, I would be sure who cares even if I love hl.

But that is just simply your opinion. Duke is fucking legendary.
And it actually aged amazing.

There is market fearfulness but also something more. Aesthetics changed. Cutesy fags in indie scene all around.

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>> No.5843661

I'm sure "Back in Black" has aged amazingly too.

>> No.5843675
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I dont know anon. I played Duke for the first time last year and loved it.
I played tons of quake and unreal but the first fps to really glue me was Thief.

Over the years I went back I played tons of shit I played just a bit and liked or never even touched and I loved Duke.

It's actually fucking great going back and replaying stuff you only sometimes had in demos, games had tons of personality. I played Outwars recently and I liked it a lot as well. Halo should have been in the Outwars universe.

But you have your opinion so.

>> No.5843678

Still, surprised that nobody who cared enough to buy it dumped it online

>> No.5843686

Here you go

>> No.5843687

Refute it>>5843302

>> No.5843695

based, fuck mega nz and fuck google

>> No.5843719
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autist here
been wanting to play through all the build engine games for a long time, replayed duke nukem and wanted to play shadow warrior but the thing has a lot of shitty problems on my end and honestly i've heard nothing but mixed things on it. been enjoying blood though since i just got it working.
basically, is shadow warrior worth playing through? i've seen a lot of people shit on it

>> No.5843725

Play through the game on the easiest difficulty and figure out enemy spawns, map puzzles, objectives, etc.
then come back and play it on one of the harder difficulties.

>> No.5843748
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WHERE THE FUCK IS HUH right here actually
Forgive me, my child.


-Recompiled a bunch of maps with either instructions given me by the mappers or basic stuff like -soft
-Changed the order so blacast will be on the second batch of levels
-Fixed the teleporter for Ribcage
-Removed the texture wads since I was told it was not necessary to include them
-no other mayor changes

I wanted to a gag map for when you complete everything instead of booting right back at the start map but I'd rather just wrap this up before this ends up being Mordred: Quake Edition.

Assuming no more bugs are found I'm uploading this to Quaddicted.

>> No.5843750

what subgenre of fps is doom?
>Labyrinth Shooter
>Doom clone
>key hunt
>classic FPS

>> No.5843757


>> No.5843761

Doom is a Doom clone, obviously.

>> No.5843765
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>I played the hard wad on the hard setting and it was too hard for me

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>> No.5843780

is quake 1 MP worth playing with pleb friends or should I go straight to 3? if yes is there a way to remove ezquake's ugly ass textures?

>> No.5843795

If u got N64 or PS1 try doing Quake 2 multiplayer splitscreen on one system / TV
Good times

>> No.5843827

Quake 3 and unreal tournament were so good and designed for MP it's hard to recommend anything when they are available imho

>> No.5843832

we're doing LAN stuff
guess I'll get q3 then, what else should I get?

>> No.5843838
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I'm playing Duke for the first time now and I'm really fucking impressed by insane interactivity and how levels change as you progress through them with all the shit constantly exploding. Also giving player shrinking gun and jetpack is pretty based.
Fuck hitscanners and fuck bullet sponge kamikaze drones though.

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Hell yeah

>> No.5843917

If only fans would petition on change.org, petition.com or petition.org to Disney to seriously consider making the Jedi Engineand maybe also the Sith Engine to be not propretary.

>> No.5843939
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>Is there a mod for GZDoom that paints the tracers shooting from the player so they're visible in-game for a couple seconds

Gave it a shot with code based on the original A_BFGSpray(), it doesn't like decoration actors tho as for some reason they don't let some tracers spawn particle trails. Comes with two boolean cvars: "bfg_oldspray" to revert the spray to its original functionality and "bfg_laggysfx" to turn on an alt trail that tanks really hard at least on my rig.


>> No.5844015

I feel very sad now.

>> No.5844028

Did you submit it to func_?

>> No.5844087

Not yet, I'm holding off for a bit just in case somebody spots something broken

>> No.5844098

Kyle Katarn should have been in Rouge One imo.

>> No.5844141

They probably would have made him boring anyway.

>> No.5844230

Damn thats amazing man

>> No.5844253

Shit I remember this. Still waiting for Mars3D guy in Samsara

>> No.5844275

I've always felt that Shadow Warrior had too many enemies that look similar, but are all over the place in terms of power.
I love the weapons, though.

>> No.5844278

Any tips when designing a maze level for Doom? Do I make it super cruel by disabling it from appearing on the map?

>> No.5844280

>Do I make it super cruel by disabling it from appearing on the map?
only if you want everyone to use iddt the moment they look at the automap and see nothing

>> No.5844289

>'artificial difficulty: the iwad'
If Plutonia was the original game, I'd understand calling it Artificial Difficulty. It heavily demands for the player to know the ins and outs of the monsters and having awareness of common doom gameplay tropes right from the word go.
But its not the original game. It was a standalone expansion for the sequel. By that point, plenty of people had mastered the original and sequel, with some of them even wanting for a much greater challenge. Plutonia was designed with such players in mind.

>> No.5844292

including literal mazes are generally frowned upon, from what I've seen.

>> No.5844317

My tip would be to look at how "mazes" and the like are implemented in the original games and classical megawads. Typically, they're not structured in the way that a pencil maze would be, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, traversing an actual maze in first person is a fucking chore even with a minimap. Secondly, people who want to max, or even just want to check everywhere to make sure they don't miss obvious monsters will have to spend an inordinate amount of time checking every single passageway, and if there aren't any monsters to miss, it just makes the maze tedious.

Instead, "mazes" are typically small sections of a few branching pathways that lead into each other, E1M2 is a perfect example. Design can certainly be "maze-like" and still work, an entire level can be a kind of maze, but an actual just flat out maze doesn't work well, and isn't fun.

>> No.5844321

Don't forget to put archies behind every door

>> No.5844348

My tip is: don't. Or like the other anon said, make a level maze themed and not an actual maze. Make a mazelike level that doesn't give the player frustration of being in an actual maze.
Mazes are hard to navigate especially when everything looks the same. In my opinion, to avoid someone playing for 5 minutes and then going on to post that your level is shit, you should add zome oints of reference to your map - some landmarks, differently colored rooms, etc. The perfect maze would be one a player gets lost in at first, but can easily resolve.
I'd take inspiration from Thief's The Sword, it's a good demonstration of abovementioned points

>> No.5844354

Add Verticality and make the path wider than just a few inches.
Even if it's a dead end, put something there or let it lead to a secret. Keeps it from being frustrating.

>> No.5844356

A maze that drops some walls are you progress. Not much left in the end.

>> No.5844357

where's the backup of ion fury? i must be blind because i don't see it in any of the links

>> No.5844358


>> No.5844359

Dig a little harder.

>> No.5844362

>i must be blind because i don't see it in any of the links
Why are you being a cunt?

>> No.5844365
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What engine does Ion Fury use, anon?

>> No.5844373

Or opens up some walls as you progress. What used to be lengthy sections is later joined by convenient shortcuts.
Just whatever you do, please don't put archviles inside the walls that are going to open. I beg you, don't make them activate by hearing a gunshot while the player still can't see them. Don't let it get in your head that you could put them in there along with some items to reward the player.

>> No.5844375

just make the walls themselves archviles

>> No.5844380

If a mapset is designed for co-op on UV, is it okay to play it with respawning ammo and health for singleplayer?

>> No.5844382

What about an archvile that the player can see when they wake up, but teleports to inside the walls and opens them up from the inside?

>> No.5844384

>convenient shortcuts
Yes, this.

>> No.5844387


>> No.5844393

I never understood why people had problems with drones. They are easily baited into door frames or near edges, they explode but their damage type is hitscan and can't reach your.

>> No.5844401

What a strange person

Outwars is another game that passed me, despite constantly seeing ads for it back then.
Got a link to a complete ISO? Does it run on modern 64 bit systems?

>> No.5844408

Honestly the spritework doesn't look... appalling?

>> No.5844436
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The site is reliable and can be trusted.
It's not an ad-ridden shitfest and has only one basic google-provided (and thus easily blockable by default adblock) ad.

It has pretty much every known 80-90's PC game that was released in english, and quite a few european/asian titles that were never translated/released outside of their home country. Also has quite a few unreleased/prototype games.
And russian games, obviously. Most games have image/iso of the original CD and a rip version.

There's a flag in the upper right corner that changes interface language to english. Does not change the reviws/summaries obviously.

not to be confused with "oldgames.ru" which IS an unwieldy ad-ridden shitfest

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>> No.5844447

Because it's mostly taken from other games?

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>> No.5844463

I mean the edits are not too shabby. The starting pistol is neat looking.

>> No.5844465

Depends on what you mean by "designed for co-op".
IIRC, Some levels in Memento Mori for example have moments that were designed with two players minimum, and often had to include workarounds for single player. Such workarounds would be unavailable if played in solo-net, making it impossible to finish without sequence breaking.

>> No.5844527

I'm actually playing through Memento Mori right now, with Final Doomer and Legion of Bones on Hard Doubledeath, these two mods synergize so well I'm telling you.
As I understand it, don't the maps have a singleplayer switch you can hit that makes all the 2 player puzzles solvable with one player? Though I was referring moreso to mapsets with combat encounters designed for two players, where you'd probably have respawning items anyway.

>> No.5844542

when is huh getting official release, I have the one from like 2 weeks ago, but I fear there might be some changes

>> No.5844549

install eyes.exe

>> No.5844552

cheers :3

>> No.5844557

>Look at the trainwreck of ROTT, that shows what Hall can do in the lead. It was a miserable, badly aged game

Kevin Cloud, who was Doomguy's arms, and did a lot of graphical and design stuff.

Your taste is also incredibly bad.

>> No.5844571

Don't make it large. Hunted is about the upper limit IMO.

There's a .wad someone uploaded here back in like February, it was almost scrapped until someone saw WIP screenshots and asked to play it, and then the guy finished it and uploaded it.
It was like five or six maps, and it actually had a branching path and everything, it was seriously good.
Anyway, if someone finds it, it had a couple of small labyrinths in one level, and I think they were a good example of how to do mazes for Doom, make them a modest part of a larger map.

>> No.5844579

When's the next /vr/ doom project anyway, hasn't it been two years since the last one?

>> No.5844587

I'd be down for another /vr/ Quake project myself

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>> No.5844629

still hunting for the last secret from lumber lordosis, any hints?

>> No.5844673


>> No.5844691
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Idea for a gameplay mod
voiced by our favorite crazy pastor Jesse Lee Petersen

>> No.5844701

use your brain dumbass

>> No.5844703

>[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
>no sunlustguy or sunderguy
still fun tho

>> No.5844714

Usually wads use Multiplayer Only flags for combat designed with Co-op in mind. And I'm sure it'll be fine to solo-net that, as usually they just add Cyberdemons or Spidermasterminds.

>> No.5844725

I was just talking about playing Memento Mori on UV and hitting the respawning items option in gzdoom desu

>> No.5844728

>As I understand it, don't the maps have a singleplayer switch you can hit that makes all the 2 player puzzles solvable with one player?
Thats if you play single player. Nultiplayer will often place objects in the way of them to force coop players to do the 2 player puzzles. Hence why solo-net is probably not a good idea for Memento Mori

>> No.5844730

Ah yeah. Well, the combat without solo-net is pretty balanced for single player, so probably won't need that enabled, but you do you.

>> No.5844732

>mfw someone shitposts doom in italy

>> No.5844734

I'm sure it is playing vanilla, Legion of Bones on Double Death is another matter though.

>> No.5844737

Could be nice. Definitely gotta make it Boom.
We've done speedmapping, 100min, 200min, 300min, but I think it'd be nice to see if we could put together some maps in a longer timespan, maybe a month or two.

On the other hand, I wouldn't oppose some more Quake either, I had genuinely forgot how damn fun the game was until I played it again this year.

>> No.5844738

/vr/y spooky never

>> No.5844754

Yes, that was cancelled for a bullshit reason
>waaah somebody i didn't like made a map completely unsalvagable stop the project reeee repugnus repugnus shit on your project

>> No.5844765
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How do you guys do SR50 in Doom?
Do you use the default game's keybinds to do so, or have you found ways to make it less awkward?

I want to get into speedrunning, but my control setup is fairly modern (WASD), so I fear I may never really be able to SR50.

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Just found this piece of art.

>> No.5844803

>Final Doomer 3
Which new weapon set is the best?

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>> No.5844808
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I found a random darts in Ion Maiden that can gib all common enemies
I tried it much earlyer with a different darts and it did literally no damage

>> No.5844812

I just noticed Romero advertises SIGIL on his website using Brutal Dewm.
Why, why would you do that

>> No.5844814

if you touch electrical outlets you get a small zap too

>> No.5844826

It’s his WAD, he can do what he wants with it.

>> No.5844827

I know he can do it
But why would he

>> No.5844829
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>Seems you had fallen in my trick and now you're angry

>> No.5844831

because he's a washed up idiot who thinks he's the reason doom was a success
protip: tom hall and sandy had better maps than he ever did.

>> No.5844835

Chinks are not dumb. They are just insectoid soulless husks.

Nice. GoG also did a lot to preserve shit but then really obscure games fall in the cracks. Flawed games like Messiah that for some weird reason I love. Late 90s games man.

Hope you like it, it's pretty enjoyable with tons of verticality and weapons.

>> No.5844838

damn, relax, son

>> No.5844840

Tom Hall's maps were rejected for not working and were retooled by Sandy into good stuff, and Romero is at least as good as Sandy at mapping, just not nearly as productive.

>> No.5844845

Fuck yes!

>> No.5844851

He's damn well part of that reason, just like the other guys you can see where his method and his personality left its mark all over the game.

>> No.5844854

imp butt lookin kinda thicc

>> No.5844861

He kinda is.
It was the map building principles he postulated that led to Doom level design being vastly superior than anything that existed prior. Without those, Doom levels wouldve been much worse.

>> No.5844864

>map building principles he postulated
Not him, but what are these? Are they still followed nowadays?

>> No.5844874

>b-but romero's princibles!
Horseshit. Go look at E1 and tell me he followed them. Ill-fitting textures and misalignments everywhere.
>b-but nitpicking!
Go fuck yourself.

>> No.5844876

Always change floor height when changing floor textures.
Use special border textures between different wall segments and doorways.
Be strict about texture alignment.
Conscious use of contrast everywhere in a level between light and dark areas, cramped and open areas.
Make sure that if a player could see outside that they should be able to somehow get there.
Be strict about designing several secret areas on every level.
Show player the door, before showing them the key/switch to open that door (this is a VERY important part as it is the base for the backtrack through known areas and interconnectivity that is essential for good map)
Making levels flow so the player will revisit areas several times so they will better understand the 3D space of the level.
Creating easily recognizable landmarks in several places for easier navigation.

These are the basis for every good map out there, so yes. They are still followed nowadays. There's more to a good map than that, but if you follow the above rules, you are pretty much guaranteed at least "okay" map.

>> No.5844879

a-anon I think you replied to the wrong person, I was just asking a question

>> No.5844881

>implying it somehow invalidates the principles themselves

>> No.5844883
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stay mad, anon

>> No.5844885

>Implying it doesn't

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>> No.5844887
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Antiquated dogma and people follow it without question.
Create and invent your own style. Don't just follow what's been set before you.

>> No.5844890

I know he tweeted this anon, that's why I'm even more confused

Why say that, and then showcase your """""""megawad""""""" with gameplay of Brutal Dewm in your website?

>> No.5844891

>the megawad
>it's not a megawad
Opinion discarded

>> No.5844893

>9 maps

Why didn't he just say "it's an episode" or "it's a mapset". Why did he have to call it a MEGAwad. 9 is not 32

>> No.5844894
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Hey guise, if I make a WAD with two maps, can I call it a megawad? :)

>> No.5844897

Okay so...

1) Using different floor textures and heights is the bare minimum of detailing. If you don't do this your map will be flat and boring.
2) Connection without border textures looks ugly.
3) Texture alignment - nuff said.
4) If you dont use light levels, your map will have flat uniform shading, that's ugly.
5) Map without secrets... again, boring
6) Giving player the key before they encounter the door is entirely pointless, the key looses its purpose
7) level without landmarks is completely unmemorable
etc. etc.

Enjoy your wolf-tier samy looking mazes, I guess.

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>> No.5844916

Hey guys, if I force the rest of the team to rush and make shit in a deadline with features that I don't announce and fire you for not properly displaying features that aren't even around when you started working can I take all the fame and credit?

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>> No.5844927

Because someone ALWAYS asks if it works with that

>> No.5844930

So you tell them to go fuck themselves, easy

>> No.5844937

Sigil was great, only butthurt circlestrafe warriors hated it.

>> No.5844941

Anyone know where to find a rip of Hexen 2? I basically only need the data files because i'll be using Hammer of Thyrion port. It's not in the OP mega links, and i only managed to find a .bin file on archive.org (need virtual disk mounter)

>> No.5844942
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But he needs to recruit more bitches so he can make more crowdfunded video games

>> No.5844945

>circlestrafe warriors
What is this insult referring to
People who get angry when they can't circlestrafe every encounter?

>> No.5844947

Pick one
>extremely low ammo
>extremely low health
>encounter design makes no sense
>nothing new, exciting or original
>texture use is incredibly unimaginative
>level design excessively lazy
>samey appearance to all levels
>placement is just tacked on
>Only gets by due to the merits of Romero

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>> No.5844957
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>can't git gud
>can't use brain
>born to die

>> No.5844958 [DELETED] 

What's this? Another anon why didn't read the OP?

>> No.5844965

>shitty maps
>git gud
Talk to me after playing through Sunder on UV fuckhead

>> No.5844969

They're not dogma, they're logical conclusions for level design.

>> No.5844973

Thanks for dropping the link, i'll see if i can extract the .pak files from there

>> No.5844974

Learn to pronounce
noun: dogma; plural noun: dogmas

a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

>> No.5844978

There is a version with lot of stuff included in hexenworld dot org.

>> No.5844985

Gonna play Doom 3 for the first time finally, kind of excited

>> No.5844991

It would be better if it wasn't stupidly dark, but the combat is kind of built around that fact however...

>> No.5844994

You want this site to repeat underground-gamer's fate? Yeah, yeah, it's the next best thing since sliced bread, now can you please show a modicum of self-restraint?

>> No.5844995

You forgot attempting to redefine what is a megawad.

I played Sigil through twice, I don't feel I'll ever had a need to play it again. There are much better matters in the community than Romero, and I don't feel Sigil deserves an easy time because it's his.

It'll still get a Cacoward.

>> No.5845006

>It'll still get a Cacoward.
Out of spite?

>> No.5845008

Nah, it's not Lilith, it'll get one because it's by Romero and they desperately want to encourage him to make more.

>> No.5845019

They already gave him a vanity cacoward once. if they put it in the top ten they'll have to at least pretend to give a reason why it is worthy.

>> No.5845024

They'll probably ride the "official episode 5" line as hard as possible.

>> No.5845028

I expected worse lightning wise. I went with mods but it's still the original version, any more would be overkill I think, glad I didn't buy the BFG edition
What's annoying is the fucking stutters

>> No.5845043

Right, so why don't you break down each point why they're bad?

>> No.5845051

>redefine what is a megawad.
The traditional requirement to be a megawad was always a minimum of 15 maps. No distinction is made beyond that. Sigil has 9 singleplayer/co-op maps and 9 deathmatch layouts, so it has a total of 18 maps, so it's a megawad. Romero didn't try to redefine anything, you redefined megawad yourself thinking it only ever referred to full 32 map replacements.

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>> No.5845062

Just gonna chime in with the fact that a megawad doesn't have to be 32 levels or three full episodes.
Not that this makes Sigil count as one in my opinion.


He needlessly blurred the line by putting the deathmatch arenas on the same maps, technically making them the same levels.
I don't understand why he did that.

>> No.5845064

I've seen an album with five songs.
Sigil is a megawad.

>> No.5845065

Then go back to play your shitty shaughterwads only some basement dwellers care about.

>> No.5845067

>I don't understand why he did that.
Now that you mention it, i don't either. I guess because it was meant to be another episode as opposed to two episodes where one is a weird dm only ep.

>> No.5845081

Who cares if it's a megawad or not? It's an entertaining, classic style mapset with competent design, dark atmosphere and interesting layouts. It also didn't overstay its welcome. Comparing it to shitstorm like Ancient Aliens is like comparing Mozart with Dimmu Borgir.

>> No.5845087

>He seriously just called Ancient Aliens a shitstorm and compared it to Dimmu Borgir

That's a paddlin'.

>> No.5845093

Dimmu Borgir is honestly better than Mozart.

>> No.5845102

Doom 1, Doom 2, Duke 3D, or Heretic but you play as Ronald Mcdonald fighting the forces of the Burger King. The default melee weapon would be a kick instead of fist(or in Heretic's case, wood rod replaced by a slap) and all ranged weapons save for the first 2 would be altered cosmetically, such as the Rocket Launcher having Mcdonald's logo and plasma rifle shooting purple energy.

>> No.5845114

do it yourself faggot

>> No.5845119

So Chex Quest, but for McDonald's?

>> No.5845123
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Hey guise, my adopted mulatto son needs a new Ferrari. Please buy my Megawad. :^)

>> No.5845127

How does the ethnicity of the son have anything to do with the joke

>> No.5845152

if you miscegenate, you're a söycuck

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>> No.5845160

I thought the nazis crawled back into their hole

>> No.5845170

I thought you stopped replying to yourself.

>> No.5845176
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But I'm not

>> No.5845184

>inspect element

>> No.5845186

Im currently on a classic fps crusade and recently played Ashes 2063 and Hedon. I loved both of them and had more fun with them then with Amid Evil and Iron Fury . Are there any more great doom total conversions one should play?

>> No.5845190
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Yes, what about it? Show me the proof
I wish I was replying to my self tbqh, instead of the alternative

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>> No.5845192

What is the most charitable interpretation of "mixing with other races is bad"? Please enlighten me

>> No.5845204

shut up.
both of you.

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Guise, please. I really need that money. Consider buying a second and third copy of Sigil, the Mexican mafia will break my thumbs...

>> No.5845208

>Still misusing the words cuck and S-O-Y. This is just getting out of hand. the term soiboy is just being thrown around at people and things that the one saying it doesn't like FAR TOO MUCH!

>> No.5845210

They were lame since their inception

>> No.5845212

Good shop

>> No.5845214

the amount of autism these threads possess is astonishing

>> No.5845215

Where do you think you are

>> No.5845218

I wish there was a word for that. Something sounding similar to, say, "sexist", but with race.
"Nazi" is a really tired and overused epithet, and it also outs you as a member of a certain group/culture which still uses it unironically. Surely you do realize that various groups have their preferred vocabularies that they use to identify themselves? People using "sôĩ" arguably also identify within a group that uses the word.

>> No.5845221

Ok Hans

>> No.5845238


>> No.5845243

Pirate Doom

>> No.5845246

Oh shit he's Han Gruber? Where the fuck is that Nakatomi Plaza map?

>> No.5845247

The word has no power or meaning anymore. I laugh IRL at people using it. Everyone's a Nazi so no one is.

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>I laugh IRL at people using it.
Good for you?
Now how about some Doom

>> No.5845254

But I already pirated Doom

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what do you think hitler's feet smell like haha

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I'm in

>> No.5845264

Good, now get Pirate Doom

>> No.5845267
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So they're censoring F4GB4G, but keeping OGAY? Is this correct?

If that's the case then the next thread should probably be updated to specify that so there's no confusion.

>> No.5845268

Amid Evil looks like crap and Ion fury is just stale but Hedon is not really much better.

Ashes was quite fun however.

>> No.5845270

Adventures of Square.

>> No.5845272

Is it just me, or does Beautiful Doom look and sound very...tacky?

Like, I like some of the things it includes, but it's bundled together with so much shit.

>> No.5845273

That seems to be the case.

>> No.5845278

I really like how Shelly's mouth opens when voice lines are playing.

>> No.5845280


>> No.5845287

We need porn of her and the Control bitch.
To give some character to them.

>> No.5845293

>t. Cumbrain Waifufag

>> No.5845294

Yeah, kinda.

>> No.5845296

Don't be mean I am sure there wont be any.
Nobody cares about them.

>> No.5845297
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What is the hardest single map in id's officially released maps?

E4M2? E4M6? Or another one?

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Are demons conscious or is it just instinct? Does hell have a hierarchy and economy? Who does one do as a demon in hell all day?

>> No.5845313


In maps released by iD? Probably one of the maps from The Plutonia Experiment, but if you meant made by them, I'll put my money on E4M2, just because of what a bitch the start is on UV.

>> No.5845314


>> No.5845315

There are Barons of hell, so yes, they do have hierarchy and enough consciousness to give titles

>> No.5845316

There is a hierarchy in Doom 2016.

>> No.5845317

They're probably conscious and sapient. Well, some of them seem like maybe they aren't, like the Lost Soul.

>> No.5845318

It was always implied that Cyberdemons are commanders of some sort.

>> No.5845319
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I thought you boomer chads have real life girlfriends/wives, not waifus, because that's a zoomer thing.

Stop fapping to shelly, take a shower and go get a date.

>> No.5845323

is Redneck Rampage worth playing?

>> No.5845325

It's not as bad as KISU MAI ES DAYMEET.

>> No.5845327
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No idea about the demons but you should definitely take your meds

>> No.5845328

The species that make up hellknights and hellbarons may be distinct for their use of royal titles and presumed hierarchy.
Perhaps they still respond to higher powers in hell in spite of their monarchy amongst themselves, and presumably there are many families given the many barons, and one wonders what other titles this species exhibits.

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>Who does one do as a demon

>> No.5845331

Yes. It has some great and some terrible maps. Soundtrack is definitely a highlight.

>> No.5845338

>sitting through the same unimaginative leveldesign with wacky colours for 3-4 hours only with more and more enemies per level

No, Ancient Aliens is not a shitstorm. Not at all.

>> No.5845339

were you refering to Shadow Warrior?

>> No.5845340

>Ancient Aliens
>unimaginative level design
Why do you consistently have such bad opinions

>> No.5845341
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>the Mexican mafia will break my thumbs...
So Mr Romero, are you saying they will make you their BITCH?

>> No.5845342

What kind of sexual life the cacodemons have?

>> No.5845345

You've misused the Carlos while replying to your own post, sorry, you're not funny

>> No.5845347

I think it's a lot of fun. Different weapons for different enemies is a must. You'll be using yer scattergun and yer huntin rifle for most little fellas. But when it comes to larger creatures you'll be switching it up more and more.

>> No.5845348

You come off to me as if you're begging for me to be your stepdad, you should probably stop that, it looks embarrassing.

They're probably intended as big cheeses, but in a lot of pwads they seem frequently used as some kind of artillery support, which I like the idea of a lot.
Spiderminds are explicitly some kind of commanding officers, I imagine arachnotrons may be their direct delegates.
Archies are probably in no rank or position at all, I recall the way Sandy or Romero described them was that they were infantile and childlike (if fucking frightening to other demons, maybe they know something about them we don't).

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>> No.5845354

I don't know what they're riding but I love this setpiece.

>> No.5845356

If you consider NRFTL canon, that whole story is trying to stop a Cyberdemon that is amassing a personal army of demons.

>> No.5845359

There are no such thing as leveldesign in AA. You can't tell the difference between the maps other than its settings. Like level 5 and level 6 is the same, level 15 and level 16 is the same etc. It has a distinct texture set, and distinct colours, but that's it, the actual levels are like computer generated basic shit, generic key and button hunting, no atmosphere, nothing. It's a shit, just like 99% of the community output.

>> No.5845361

pls anon no

>> No.5845362

Thank you for further confirming I should discard your opinion

>> No.5845363

Violent and gassy

>> No.5845367
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No problem, Alf.
Now go back to spam about Valve.

>> No.5845372

Alf, why are you calling me Alf now

>> No.5845376

Ion Fury is the best build game

>> No.5845382

>You come off to me as if you're begging for me to be your stepdad.
You come off as reading too much into it. Also how could you be a step-dad but a virgin waifufag at the same time?

>you should probably stop that, it looks embarrassing.
Look who's talking. Stop fapping to Shelly and waifus and asking for porn at /vr/, that's quite really embarrassing, gross and degenerate.

>> No.5845383

I can’t get past Congo

>> No.5845385

The same way you know the romero edits and the carlos post are from the same anon, Alf.
Now tell us about how Gaben ruined the 90's.

>> No.5845386

Because you live the Alf life

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Are we all Alfs now?

>> No.5845391

I dont even know who is alfing who anymore

>> No.5845396

No, we all Romero and Carlos now.
Somebody tell that other anon the concept of an anonymous Burmese sandal making imageboard like 4chins.

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I'm ahead, like always

>> No.5845398
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I am Alf
all others Alfs are impostors

>> No.5845401

>'The festival of blood continues!!!!'
>Cart slamming into gate at 3500MPH

never fails to make me laugh. comedic timing's on point

>> No.5845409

Prove it, spam about alf-life, vulva and gabun for 16 hours a day for a year.

>> No.5845415

I'll do it for him then. Moreover, I'll draw porn of her specifically to dig my eyes up your eyesockets.

>> No.5845419 [DELETED] 

Based and cumbrain-waifupilled

>> No.5845424

Every map has a completely seperate deathmatch arena so technically there's 18 maps

>> No.5845426

Since when are deathmatch maps considered part of a single player mapset?

>> No.5845432

You know it, salty nigger.

>> No.5845434

So you're telling me these map do not exist or what?

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>> No.5845448

Seeth and cope, maybe I'm a black ghetto guy maybe not, but at least I'm not hate-filled degenerate boomer basementdweller neckbeard who ejaculates to video games and cartoons.

>> No.5845452
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Do demons mate and procreate?

>> No.5845454

No. Every time one dies, an Archvile revives it.

>> No.5845456

In his headcanon, yes.

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You're just as pathetic for giving such a shit.

>> No.5845460

How are new demons created?

>> No.5845461

You don't seem to understand the power harnessed by attractive female characters to assure relevancy in the eyes of randos. You might as well bitch about 90% of the internet passing said content around. You're among degenerates every passing day of your life.
>seethe harder
After you.

>> No.5845462

They aren't.

>> No.5845470

So there is a fixed number of demons in hell since the beginning of time?

>> No.5845472

they're shat out of the open skull of the icon of sin, didn't you beat doom 2

>> No.5845473

>hes never played doom 2 map30

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>> No.5845484

So the Icon of Sin is the only entity able to bring new demons into existence?

>> No.5845492

That only teleports demons from elsewhere.

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>> No.5845494

>You're just as pathetic for giving such a shit.
You keep posting about it, I'm just having fun with you shelly-fappers. Keep getting mogged mein fren.

>You don't seem to understand the power harnessed by attractive female characters to assure relevancy in the eyes of randos.
If you're into bland basic bitches designed to appease SJWs, to each their own I guess.

>You might as well bitch about 90% of the internet passing said content around.
The truth is, you cartoon porn idiots should do that somewhere else. I'm moggin you all because this is a non-porn board. I couldn't care less about 90% of the internet, go to your own containment fire dumpsters.

>seethe harder
Why should I seethe? I have no reason to. You fap to cartoon pixeled ladies and I make fun of you, it's fun to moke you and you guys are pathetic.

Better go play some retro FPS games instead, as I and the other thread posters do, I'll get me a good doom server, bye.

Until next time, angry incels.

>> No.5845497

that spacing gave me cancer

>> No.5845507

Fap more to shelly porn.
It will save you from prostate cancer.

>> No.5845508

>I'm moggin you all
And I don't know what makes you believe you're achieving anything. You're not on some tirade to erradicate shit. You bitch and moan about it when they're actually passing porn around, not prior to the fact, you huge baby.

Imagine being such a coward you don't actually quote the person you're talking to. Talk about pathetic.

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>> No.5845513

>ranting and raving about cumbrains on 4chan
>calling anybody else "incel"
wew lad

>> No.5845515

Can you rocket jump in real life?

>> No.5845516

I always get a kick out of idiots like you who blacksheep a handful of people, then end up dumber than them when they say their piece.

>> No.5845517

Why don’t you try?

>> No.5845519

Now this is a narcissistic fagbag.
No worries you will get there. Not giving a shit.
Not caring some anons want to see shelly dpead by two Dukes.
The sexual life of cacodemons.
Or two Zans probably more your taste.

It honestly has some charm but it's jank as shit.

>> No.5845520

I definitely have more kids than you do, zoomer.

I mean it's like any other pwad to me. A good pwad which I think people should play.
Canon for classic Doom to me is vague at best and basically pwads are all a bunch of fanfic/headcanon stuff, it's not worth sweating much, the gameplay is what really matters.

I figure in Doom, demons are a physical manifestation of the kind of spirit they are, and when you kill their corporeal body the evil spirit goes back to hell (or somewhere else in hell, or it lingers for a while, if you're already there), and then eventually it's made flesh again some day.

>> No.5845523

>t. angry from swallowing reality pills about being an cartoon fapper incel.
Go achieve another ion maiden ejaculation.
Also, daily reminder Ion Maiden is not retro. Modern Eduke32 doesn't runs on retro hardware and Ion Maiden is not made before 1999, go read the board rules you idiots.

>> No.5845524
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It's a single-use ability

>> No.5845527

I've never seen someone this mad over stuff like waifus before. Are you a jilted woman or something?

>> No.5845528

>U dumber than me
>Provides no further argument
Wow, such a genius.

>> No.5845531

Weren't you off to play Doom? Why are you still crying over here?

>> No.5845535

Weren't you Alf? Or Romero? Or Carlos?
I'm an anon by the way.

>> No.5845538

Most rocket propelled grenades and other warheads have a built in minimum arming distance.

Which isn't to say it's not possible, but you'd have to like, jump from a tall building while firing and try to land on the warhead as it explodes.
I can promise you that one way or another you'll achieve a lot of speed and height.

>> No.5845546

Someone needs to make an ALF TC where I kill Gordon Freeman

>> No.5845548

Tentacles would be nice.

>> No.5845549

Gaben should be the mancubus.

>> No.5845550

I'm filling it with Shelly nude art just for you.

>> No.5845557

Alf is Romero, he's about to make that cat his bitch.

>> No.5845560

Be careful what you ask for, that's kind of how daytime drama was made.

>> No.5845561

And you are Carlos, I see it clearly now.

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You know, I actually might do that for my map just for him. It'll be his fault, too.

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>> No.5845578

ALF has comedic material that could work Duke Nukem style.

>> No.5845581

I'll totally buy it.
Cats should be the HP potions or something.

>> No.5845585
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dumb meme site caption

>> No.5845597

No John, you are Demons.

>> No.5845602

>so much projecting

>> No.5845604

Alfa Romeo?

>> No.5845606

Hot take:
Buy one of those flight simulator usb pedals, and config them to do the SR50 thing while your keyboard and mouse retain your other favorite configuration.

>> No.5845608


>> No.5845612

Alfonso John Romero.

>> No.5845616
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>> No.5845625

Unrelated but I would kill for some sort of exoskeleton that gave you the ability to bhop irl somehow, with air control and everything.

I figure since there are several people claiming to have "real Iron Man suits," something like that couldn't be too far off.

>> No.5845637

....go..... Go inside....

>> No.5845640
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What was the last thing you completed on vanilla gameplay and how do you feel about it?

>> No.5845649

Last time I turned on my old 486DX2 was in 1999.

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I never completed anything.

>> No.5845662

I mean the owners of those do usually end up being a bitch.

>> No.5845665

you can do it Kacho!

>> No.5845671

Trenchbroom is really fucking nice. I fucking wish dromed was like this.

>> No.5845672

>The virgin Alf-a-Romero VS. the Ferrari Carmack Chad.

>> No.5845676

Quite enjoyed it since it was relatively easy and I suck at Doom.

>> No.5845693
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>final doom isn't the final version of doom, but the final version of doom 2
what the h*ck bros I've been lied to. Anyways why are fan wads included in a official release?

>> No.5845704

Already played a couple of levels. What a bunch of assholes, PUT SOME HEALTHPACK, I don't want to quicksave

>> No.5845730

Just think of it as outsourcing.
And then play the master levels and REALLY wonder why anyone would pay for that when they could play just play any other fanmade wad.

>> No.5845760

Final Doom is a final commercially released oficial full fledged Doom expansion

>> No.5845769

they've been doing that since ultimate doom. E4M7 was a fan wad made by dr.sleep and was part of his INFERNO series other maps from his inferno series made it into master levels of doom 2/

>> No.5845856

>group that would become TNT works on a megawad
>John Romero finds it, thinks "Hmm, this looks pretty cool."
>contacts them and buys the rights to TNT: Evilution
>part of that contract was that they would also provide them with another 32 map megawad
>two of the guys who worked on TNT get tasked with making a full megawad in four months time
>the resulting product, The Plutonia Experiment, makes up the other half of the commercial package that is Final Doom

It's really just a mission pack, half was a project which was bought, the other half was practically commissioned. Whether you think it would make good canon or not is probably up to you, the main point was to play them.

>> No.5845871

>>waaah somebody i didn't like made a map completely unsalvagable stop the project reeee repugnus repugnus shit on your project
maybe do a sandy petersen and rearrange the map to your own liking

>> No.5845883

I want to play something good on Crispy but I don't feel like playing classic style wads, weird.

>> No.5845915

most limit-removing maps work on crispy since it's not strictly vanilla.
Stuff like visplanes and many other static limits were removed. So look for wads that say "any limit removing"

Also REKKR and BTSX are strictly vanilla

>> No.5845946

Have any of you actually completed quack 2? I don't know how many times now I've started and dropped that game now.

>> No.5845949

wasn't predition's gate once expected to be another final doom episode until id said it was too late?

>> No.5845950

I remember completing Q2 after beating both expansions.

>> No.5845953
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I downloaded Doom 2 and GZDoom from the mega in OP, and whenever I try to start it, it locks up right here every time. Anyone have any idea why it might be doing this?

>> No.5845958

petitions can't beat disney, anon

>> No.5845976

Yes. FWIW the beginning of the game is pretty slow and it picks up a lot as you go.

>> No.5845984
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L-l-l-look at you, Garret. A pa-pathethic Taffer of flesh and bone. Pa-panting and sweating as you sneak through my chapel, Ho-How can you challenge a perfect, immortal child of the Builder?

>> No.5846000

>one way or another you'll achieve a lot of speed and height.
Sure, at least a good percentage of you...

>> No.5846009

git gud

>> No.5846036
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So /doom/,

is the UV -fast in Doom purely for big dick bragging rights, or is it the enlightened way of playing Doom and the goal every Doomer should aspire to git gud at?

>> No.5846050

Beating Doom on UV-fast is good, but beating Doom on Nightmare! Pistol Start is god like.

>> No.5846053

So Carmack already went on Rogan, but the video or the podcast isn't up yet

>> No.5846078

Darn, I haven't gotten to the piano yet but I was hoping the solution would be the secret jingle

>> No.5846081

It is. It's the secret jingle.

>> No.5846089

That definitely isn't

>> No.5846090

I really can't think of any reason to consider UV -fast THE definitive way to play Doom.
It's not like most mappers expect people to play that way and design their maps around fast monsters.
If you genuinely enjoy the extra challenge or even only bragging on the internet about how good you are at video games, just go for it

>> No.5846092

isn't fast only 'officially' a thing in nightmare?
then again, a lot of maps might as well be built with always run in mind, which was originally possible with an exploit in some config filre

>> No.5846096

All the more reason for the message to hit home with the Disney Episode IX boycott. FUCK MENDLESON AND COLLIDER!

>> No.5846097
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Short, challenging maps >>> Epically long 20+ minute maps with crescendos all over

Come at me

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>> No.5846102

You are correct. Better to repeat a 5 minute map than die at the exit of a 20 minute one.

>> No.5846106

hell yiah


>> No.5846116

Always run doesn't really mess with difficulty or monster balance the same way -fast does though.
It's more of a convenience thing since you could as well just always press the run key.

>> No.5846119

You have 5 minutes to say something nice about Doom 3!

>> No.5846126

Nah, I'm good thanks

>> No.5846127

Best Hell aesthetic.
Archviles died in 1 SSG blast.

>> No.5846128

It was pretty okay. Had some great atmosphere

>> No.5846134

Have to say, John makes a surprisingly good interviewee for an autist. I thought he was just going to launch into one-sided technobabble like he does at press conferences.

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>> No.5846139

Is it confirmed he has autism? I mean it wouldn't surprise me, but I don't actually know.

>> No.5846170

>that fucking shirt
cringe but endearing

>> No.5846207

in 40 years, nursing homes will have an Atari room.
How does this make you feel?

>> No.5846225

m8 they're just gonna have Atari Rooms in VR, are you even listening to Carmack

>> No.5846241

we may grow old and wither in small cubicles eating maggot sausage and jacking off to VR waifus

>> No.5846256

The RoE Bruiser looked cool

>> No.5846261

give some good q1 map packs

>> No.5846262

>that joe rogan interview with carmack
god carmack sounds like such a fucking dweeb, makes me want to take his lunch money.

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>Lets go bitch

>> No.5846272

did you watch the video in the OP about Quake? Honestly a lot of the best shit is in there

>> No.5846273

>He wants to take on swole-mack
I wouldn't do that, buddy

>> No.5846280

search by rating

>> No.5846283

But no Fireblu

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>no talk about Doom and Quake

Well, at least he said some interesting things about technology

>> No.5846296

What do you mean? They talked plenty about Quake

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>> No.5846302

but anon, doomguy doesn't even know what a sex is. he's a pure boi

>> No.5846310

oh shit they actually did it?
he kinda looks like rogan, maybe its the older photo since I've never seen the original that often

>> No.5846314

nah that's jace hall

>> No.5846351

No, Joe praised the game a little, but there was no talk of Carmack about it. Like I was expecting a development story or details about the early Id days.

>> No.5846359

Anons, it's been 25+ years. Man has had way more interesting stuff in his life since then. We see him as the Doom & Quake programming genius, but he keeps looking forward

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>tfw started playing doom 2 instead of progressing through ion fury
Well fuck me, I really am retarded. I only meant to quickly sample it as part of plans to start it up after finishing Ion Fury, but now I'm on level 11 and it's way past my bed time. Guess I'll start it back up tomorrow. I've never completed Doom 2 (last time think I stopped around the level that looks like a regular town/city), but man it is a lot more fun than I remembered. I honestly remembered not liking the game too much.

>> No.5846423

wow that girl is cute

>> No.5846427

>I'm on level 11
>man it is a lot more fun than I remembered
>I'll start it back up tomorrow

Anon, I...
Guys, who's gonna tell them

>> No.5846432

Nobody, soon enough he'll try it with a gameplay mod and stop at The Pit, and then every time after that he'll stop at The Pit,

>> No.5846453

I usually stop at downtown
Such an awful level

>> No.5846462

I don't mind some of the later levels like that but the shift from the first eight maps to The Pit just kills the fuck out of my momentum, especially when I'm doing playtesting.

>> No.5846503

I think the initial uses of the term "Megawad" in the 95-96 days referred to full 32 levels. But 15 was a good definition for the idgames archive to put in place so that you wouldn't have wads that replace less than 32 levels, but more than 15 lost in the mix of many single map wads.

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>> No.5846516

>The Factory
>City level

>City Level

>Inmost Dens
>Hellish level

>Industrial Zone
>City level but you cross over a river into hellish architecture

>City level

Explain this progression to me

>> No.5846525

I can't
It's easier to stomach if you let go of any small pretense of story the game has and just pistol start every map like it has nothing to do with the last. Doomguy could be going out for chips one afternoon and he shoots lots of demons on the way. Who cares.

>> No.5846529
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The Boss has had enough of everyone's bullying.

>> No.5846549

How many more years until mud butt is retro

>> No.5846552

Inmost Dens doesn't feel like a Hellish level to me.

>> No.5846575

goddamn I cant wait to be senile enough to think that what I see in my VR helmet is real life

>> No.5846593

I miss Gusta

>> No.5846598

> 1 tap a ctberdemon

>> No.5846630

It's got a lot of wood and cobblestone, and nothing in the way of tech or chrome metal, it's a very E4M1 kind of hell

>> No.5846640

>tfw set up a randomizer mod so I have enemies from Chex's Quest, HacX, Hexen, Heretic, Strife, Blood, Duke Nukem, NAM, Redneck Rampage, and Shadow Warrior fighting alongside Doom's enemies
>tfw going to add the Ion Fury enemies next
It's a clusterfuck with slaugher wads and I love it

>> No.5846651
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Let's do a SIGIL survey of sorts, according to your hot opinion:

>Hardest SIGIL map?
>Easiest SIGIL map?
>Favorite SIGIL map?
>Hated SIGIL map?

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And bonus round:

>Did any of SIGIL's maps surpass E4M1, E4M2, or E4M6 in difficulty? And if so, which ones?

>> No.5846679

I think E5M7 is harder than any of the E4 maps, but that's mostly because I decided to drop down to the first half of the map and naturally the only way back to the second half was through 20% damage lava, leaving me to do the final stretch of the map with like 20 health
looking at the map in GZDB, it turns out that if I had just kept going, I would've walked over a line to open up the regular path to the second half back up
fucking hell

besides that, the only times I had any issue was when I was trying to double-tap the cyberdemons

>> No.5846692

A map doesn't have to be City or Techbase in order to not be hellish.
Inmost Dens feels more earthy to me, than hellish.

>> No.5846714

You are now aware Duke kicks himself in the face to get protozoid slimes off.

>> No.5846721

Probably a good thing, honestly. First 11 or so maps are decent, if a bit easy. And then the later levels kinda fall into mediocre territory, especially by the final third.

>> No.5846726

So, Doom 2

>> No.5846729

The maps by Mackey McCandlish I'd honestly call outright bad.

>> No.5846734

Eh, I'd say Perdition's Gate was more consistently mediocre. Doom 2 has plenty of gems after map11.

>> No.5846737

What about a /vr/ Heretic project

>> No.5846754

I'm playing it right now overthinked
Great fucking atmosphere and artstyle and I like the survival aspect

>> No.5846756

murdering my friends in coop was fun
that probably doesn't count though, because coop is a mod

>> No.5846765

> insane shotgun boosting that puts even quake rocket jumps to shame

>> No.5846781

That also works, in fact it's even better.
What I liked about HUH was that it sparked my interest about Quake and encouraged me to play it again, and discover the mapping scene with some amazing levels.
I don't think Heretic is as popular as Doom or Quake for modding, but that's all the better, because it can help introduce more anons to mapping for, and playing, an obscure Doom engine game.

>> No.5846787

Tom Mustaine wanted to offer it to iD as part of the Final Doom package, but iD said it was too late.
He would instead get a contract with Wraith Co. who were making Hell 2 Pay as its own commercial .wad, and their mappers would 'finish' Perdition's Gate.

For what Perdition's Gate became, I would say good fucking riddance, because less than half of it is actually any good, you can tell which maps were made by Mustaine and his dad, because they're the interesting and enjoyable maps (and there's some decent premise and ideas going on), and then you can tell which ones were hammered together on an assembly line to fullfil a contractual obligation by unspecified Wraith mappers (possibly just a single apathetic one), because holy FUCK are they uninspired, samey, and boring. People talk about megawad fatigue, but I have never seen a megawad that gives up THIS badly.

Looking at hypotheticals, say that iD were interested, maybe some Team TNT mappers would be brought onboard to finish it, either PD is offered in advance while the Casalis are hauling ass on making Plutonia, or it's finished after Plutonia and maybe they could contribute some maps, along with some other TNT guys, beyond a shadow of a doubt their additions would be better than Wraith's.
Problem is this would likely add a lot of time on the whole Final Doom project, when iD Software were clearly interested in having a complete product sooner rather than later, and likely they wouldn't want this product to be released too closely to the eventual Quake.

>> No.5846792

Isn't Elf Gets Pissed basically the only notable mapset there is, and that came out in 2015.
The main question is if we would want to make episodes, which might require a considerable amount of preplanning to make experiences that can generally be played through together, or assuming that it's supported with zdoom, making a 32 map set. Wand Starting feels like it's less of an intended thing in Heretic than pistol starting in Doom, so organizing into episodes might be better, and would mean it could be Boom compatible.

>> No.5846793

Jimmy Sieben was among the two people from Hell 2 Pay team that helped finish Perdition's Gate (Mackey McCandlish being the other), and he also contributed maps to TNT.

>> No.5846794

The chainsaw rules.
The monster design, if having some issues with some looking too similar, has some pretty good stuff.
The Guardian is genuinely a good bossfight and one of the best iD had made until Doom 4.
Doom 3 Guy looks pretty cool.
I kinda like the plot and characters, for what they are.

>> No.5846795

A lot of people made that mistake.

>> No.5846797

Doomguy doesn't just have sex, Doomguy fucks.

>> No.5846802

The Pit is fine, The Factory is what brings me to a grinding halt.
Which is bad because there's actually a lot of good levels after that.

>> No.5846806

15 was used early on because people used Megawad to describe a set with two complete episodes, which was a lot more effort than most people put in back then.

>> No.5846808

My problems with The Factory is that the outdoor area is pretty flat and boring, and the cacodemon room at the end felt more like padding than anything. I generally don't mind the indoor part of the main building.

>> No.5846809

No, Doom 2 has over 20 good and decent levels, PD has like half that.
You really have to play PD to get a feeling for how fucking dull it gets.

>> No.5846815

New thread.


>> No.5847089

I liked Hell Knights.

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>> No.5847634

why isn't halflife a part of these threads? Its not even in the faq, which is weird to me.

I've been playing rtsl levels, but I was wondering if there was a "SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME HALFLIFE" infographic. those are comfy.

>> No.5848094

Anyone have a way I can rack up Doom 2 hours on Steam but just by starting Doom Explorer? I'm a brainlet and obviously after the fact just changing the exes did nothing