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Valve were out of their fucking minds...

>> No.5812358

>>5812352
>that banding
yuck

>> No.5812369

>>5812358
you can't enable 32-bit color in vanilla (1.0.0.5)

>> No.5812590

It was always weird to me how Half Life 2 had no gibs, just soulless 00’s ragdolls

>> No.5812592

>>5812590
Halflife 2 was lazy and boring.

>> No.5812593

>>5812352
The skull will always throw itself at the player

>> No.5812679

>>5812592
Whoa there take it easy

>> No.5812694

>>5812593
No, that only happens 5% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHmNaB1iMw

>> No.5812704

>>5812679
no hes right its just moving from set piece to set piece and the sets arent even that great, plus alix and that nigger are shitty boring characters that I had no attachment to

>> No.5812707

>>5812592
Agreed. I played both HL1 and HL2 two years ago for the first time, 1 is amazing and 2 is soulless

>> No.5812724

>>5812590
Half Life 2 ragdolls were considered to be a huge thing back then.

>> No.5812728

>>5812592
Pretty much. It had god tier sound design but not much else.
>meh gunplay except the grav gun and neat use of physics
>all weapons sound like toys
>lack of intricate physics puzzles, they missed some big opportunities here
>lack of gore the first game was known for
>lack of secret paths and shortcuts the first game had
>those driving sections
>game was basically a glorified tech demo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WqAmuSXEQ

>> No.5812737

>>5812724
I just want to know how much money Valve bribed journos with to shill their mediocre game.

I wasn't surprised it was boring, since I played the leaked version a year before release. But I was surprised how much hype it got.

>> No.5812745

Half life 2 had the worst fucking weapons roster the first game had such great and imaginative guns and 2 also had the most boring enemies, combine I can forgive cause that replaces the soldiers, but the fucking antlions were boring and gay as hell. The only thing half life 2 did well was make me appreciate the first game more

>> No.5812747

>>5812724
No they weren't, Havok physics were a big meme before that. Even Deus Ex 2 was pimping its ragdoll physics, 18 months before HL2.

>> No.5812754

>>5812747
Except the hype train and leaks for HL2 went on for years before it came out.

>> No.5812757

The Combine troops in HL2 are a joke compared to the HECU marines in 1.
The smg will rarely hit you if not ppoint blank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR5gjP-Kk3s&feature=youtu.be

>> No.5812762

>>5812592

This. It was just an average FPS.

>> No.5812765
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5812765

>>5812724
Incorrect. People were wanking off to Havok ragdolls way before Half-Life 2 in Max Payne 2 and Unreal Tournament 2003. The big deal that Valve made about Half-Life 2 was that every material type like wood and concrete were assigned values in weight, friction, and buoyancy. It's right on the game's box.

>> No.5812769

>>5812724

No they weren't. Ragdolls had been around at least since Hitman Codename 47, years before

>> No.5812774

>>5812737

I think it's just the effect of simpletons going "the first one was great and is now considered as 'the best' FPS ever made, the second one HAS to be great as well" and then just filtering out the mediocre parts in their mind

>> No.5812776

>>5812765
>The World's #1 online action game
>9/1/04

Only two months from getting btfo.

>> No.5812836

>>5812765
>>5812769
Yeah, and those games were never hyped or remembered the same way as HL2. The hype train for HL2 was fucking huge back then, and drowned out lots of other for games for YEARS before HL2 even came out.

>> No.5812840

>>5812707
HL2 was great when it first released, the physics and face animations were fantastic. But HL2 also had a bit too much updated technology to show off, which hurt it as a game. HL2 should still be appreciated for what it allowed other games to do, VtMB is still my favorite game and I'm still playing HL2 multiplayer mods.

>> No.5812854

They're still out of there fucking minds :/

>> No.5813429

>>5812352
Just good old fashioned vidya gore.

>>5812592
Half-Life 2 is ok, the level design just isn't as strong as in the first game, and there's less variety in enemy types.

>>5812724
It was the first time I had seen ragdoll physics, and I was pretty impressed by them, but I was also *greatly* disappointed that explosions didn't gib enemies anymore, I was hoping for some radical gore with the help of the physics engine but there's no such thing, the enemies just go flopping, which has some novelty, but not as much as gibs have.

>> No.5813550

>>5813429
>It was the first time I had seen ragdoll physics, and I was pretty impressed by them
Were ragdoll physics meant to be impressive? When I was a kid I thought they were goofy and lame, only done by developers who were too lazy to properly animate shit. Any time I heard someone praise them I assumed it was in an ironic "so bad it's good" kind of campy way. Was it genuinely seen as an impressive thing by some people?

>> No.5813562

While we're on the subject, I heard that HL1 was the first FPS to feature non-hostile NPCs. Is this bullshit?

>> No.5813569

>>5812352
Why you dumb OP

>> No.5813570

>>5813562
Quake 2 had the prisoners as nonhostile NPCs, so it's bullshit. There's probably some even earlier games with some, but Q2 the first one that comes to mind.

>> No.5813579

>>5812592
Ground truth.

>> No.5813752
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5813752

>>5813562
>I heard that HL1 was the first FPS to feature non-hostile NPCs. Is this bullshit?
There's a reason mustards HATE Goldeneye and that's because it completely explodes their entire mythology about Half-Life. Unlike others like Strife, they can't even say it was an obscure game.

>> No.5813762

>>5813752
Nobody cares about your 8fps party game.

>> No.5813768

>>5812745
HECU = soul
Combine = soulless
Fighting the Combine is boring as fuck.

>> No.5813769

>>5812592
extremely red pilled.

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5813779

>>5813762
>8fps
Keep up the hyperbole buddy.

>> No.5813787

>>5813779
Nobody cares about your 12fps party game.

>> No.5813914

>>5813787
And how many FPS did you get in HL Uplink on your Pentium 200?

>> No.5814117

>>5813562
Marathon had BOBs

>> No.5814214

>>5814117
Not all BOBs were non-hostile, though.
"Frog-blast the vent core!"

>> No.5814218

>>5813914
>And how many FPS did you get in HL Uplink on your Pentium 200?
A lot, motherfucker

>> No.5814243

>>5813562
Who even says that?

>> No.5814278

you guys need to understand that consoles and computers had to build there games around the porformance the platform possessed. it wasnt until ps2 xbox gamecube game developers got the power to do what the fuck they wanted

>> No.5814642

>>5812592
Half Life 1 - 6/10 (would be 8/10 if there was no Xen)
Opposing Force - 6/10
Blue Shift - 7/10

HL 2 - 8/10
Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10

>> No.5814693

>>5813752
There were quite a couple of FPS with them before HL, including Jedi Knight, Blake Stone or SiN.

>> No.5814939

>>5812836
The hype had nothing to do with ragdoll physics though. It was the franchise primarily.

>> No.5814943

>>5813562
Unreal had them

>> No.5814947
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5814947

>>5813768
WE
WILL
KICK
YOUR
ASS

>> No.5815049

>>5814947
>"Hey the military came to save us!"
>>5814642
>>Half Life 1 - 6/10 (would be 8/10 if there was no Xen)
Wtf
>>Blue Shift - 7/10
Dude what in the fuck
>>Ep 1 - 7/10 Ep 2 - 6/10
I have no words. Go back and replay these games until y'know better.

>> No.5815064

>>5812765
>and fashion weapons from what is at hand

this is just a lie

>> No.5815107

>>5815049
What? Xen is ass.

>> No.5815178

>>5815049
That anon is right though. Despite the good physics, HL, both 1 & 2, really shine in the sections where youre trying to escape closed spaces in an apocalyptic setting. Taking it to the open world really makes the games lose some of its charm.

>> No.5815263

>>5815178
Are you counting Surface Tension as "open world"? Because that level is objectively ludo

>> No.5815287

>>5812590
God, I fucking hate ragdolls.

>> No.5815292

>>5815107
Xen tied the whole experience together. You start out trying to escape the clockwork maze of your workplace turned hellscape >>5815178
and it takes you right into Hades before you can finally make it out. Then Gman stops you and says you did just fine but no soup for you.

>> No.5815342

>>5813562
Strife

>> No.5815369

>>5815107
>Xen is ass

Was this meme born from vidya journalists bitching about FPS platforming being too hard?

>> No.5815374

>>5813562
Tek War is a Build Engine game with non-hostile NPCs. Duke 3D too if you want to count the babes, though in that game's case I guess they're more like level props than actual NPC's.

>> No.5815386

>>5815369
No, it was born from every person who played Xen.

>> No.5815429

>>5815386
The only thing wrong with Xen was there not being enough of it. The Black Mesa remake is fixing this mistake.

>> No.5815450

>>5815386
I thought Xen was cool and didn't mind the platforming, but I don't have trouble judging position and distance in FPS games like some people apparently do. There were some confusing parts, but there's a few confusing parts in the Black Mesa part of the game too.

>> No.5815481

>>5813562
Strife had NPCs you could talk to

>> No.5815536

My fav mods for Quake engine games were ones that added more blood and Gina. Headhunter was really fun on QuakeWorld

>> No.5816281

>>5815536
>Gina

da fuq, did auto-correct put your mom's name instead of "gibs"?