Xenogears vs. Suikoden II

[Anonymous No.5802846]

Which is better, and why?

[Anonymous No.5802862]

>>5802846
My ass is better.

[Anonymous No.5802867]

>>5802846
Xenogears and its not even close

[Anonymous No.5802882]

Apples and oranges why would you choose to compare the two? They share literally nothing in common.

[Anonymous No.5802885]

The one that doesn't turn into a visual novel halfway through.

[Anonymous No.5802895]

>>5802882
Why would anyone ever compare these two games from the same genre from the same generation with similar levels of sub-Final Fantasy mainstream notoriety and are both highly praised? Madness.

[Anonymous No.5802914]

>>5802895
Suikoden 2 is critically praised xenogears is not ( cult following at best) one is fantasy the other is sci-fi. Completely different gameplay ( i know it's hard to believe but not all rpgs have the same gameplay) one has elements of tactics the other is strictly turn bases. There were literally hundreds of rpgs released on the ps1 during that era.

[Anonymous No.5802917]

>>5802895
And just out of curiosity you were born after 1992 right?

[Anonymous No.5802925]

>>5802914
And again out of curiosity why would you choose to compare these two? As oppossed to the 30+ other games on the ps1 that have more in common with suikoden and the 3 or 4 with xenogears?

[Anonymous No.5802929]

>>5802914
>>5802917
>>5802925
And just out of curiosity, what's the name of your mental disorder?

[Anonymous No.5802931]

Hardly comparable since they have pretty much no common design element and vastly different aims.
Xenogears is also barely a game, let alone a finished one, it's more sensible to compare it to a VN than a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.5802938]

>>5802882
>>5802914
>>5802925
Why don't you useless jackoffs just answer the question and compare/contrast the games instead of making lame excuses?

[Anonymous No.5802939]

>>5802938
>jackoff
singular

[Anonymous No.5802940]

>>5802938
I literally just did.

[Anonymous No.5802942]

>>5802931
And imagine if someone compared an actual visual novel to a JRPG. Your glasses would steam up and your bowtie would start spinning around while you wheezed with uncontrollable asthmatic rage.

[Anonymous No.5802946]

>>5802931
>Hardly comparable since they have pretty much no common design element
They're both JRPGs stop making dumbass excuses. I could argue Baldur's Gate vs Xenogears if I wanted to. You are just lazy.

[Anonymous No.5802954]

>>5802929
That was a good one man. Very mature and inquisitve of you. You should think of majoring in psychology once you graduate from high school. Back to the topic at hand. This is really a matter of preference. Its like saying which is bettet star wars or the lord of the rings? And why? The answer would br Star Wars and the reason being I like sci-fi over fantasy.

[Anonymous No.5802956]

>>5802940
No you didn't you made excuses to avoid trying to make a real argument. The only thing that comes even close to answering the OP is pointing out S2 is critically praised while XG is not. You're literally implying game journalists are smarter than you.

I have not played Suikoden and am interested to see people actually talking about it in reference to a game I have played (Xenogears).

[Anonymous No.5802963]

>>5802956
See the problem is I dont think anyone who had played both of these games would talk about them in reference to another. Other then "these are 2 Jrpgs on the ps1"

[Anonymous No.5802964]

>>5802956
And dude seriously play suikoden. These games are not similar.

[Anonymous No.5802978]

I once overheard a guy compare Grandia 2 to Skies of Arcadia. After being hardly able to believe what I was hearing I immediately slammed my foot down on the gas, nearly redlining my mobility scooter in the process, and informed him face-to-chest that the games have two entirely different battle systems--one even includes strategic battles between air ships, of which I doubt he was even aware! I then enlightened him they're vastly different thematically, and that of the two only Skies of Arcadia was critically praised, achieving a metacritic score of 93 compared to Grandia II's far lower 90, a gap even more vast than the 2 point gulf between the Xenogears/Suikoden scores. After that I demanded to see his driver's license as I just had to know how old this clueless pleb was; how could anyone born before 1992 be so incredibly clueless?! Unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.5802980]

>>5802956
>The only thing that comes even close to answering the OP is pointing out S2 is critically praised while XG is not.
Except he managed to fail there too.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation/xenogears
https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation/suikoden-ii

[Anonymous No.5803002]

>>5802980
Well you guys got me there obviously everything you read on the internet is true ESPECIALLY user reviews. Once again cult classic at best.

[Anonymous No.5803010]

>>5803002
Look guys im not even trying to fight and you can disagree with me all you want about how similar these games are. I just want to know why compare these two games?

[Anonymous No.5803012]

>>5802954
>Its like saying which is better star wars or the lord of the rings
Movies?
Lord of the Rings movies are a more cohesive trilogy due to the fact that the entire project was a trilogy from the beginning.
However Star Wars is a more noteworthy cinematic achievement because the entire story was conceived to be movies from the very beginning. It's an original story and the trilogy was released 1977-1983. Lord of the Rings meanwhile is an adaptation and was released from 2001-2003.

Both trilogies are weakest in their final act, a testament to the difficulty of delivering a true multi-part epic in film due to the nature of the medium. In fact it's funny to look at how differently each one fails.

In ROTJ the Ewoks' portrayal vs the empire is somewhat implausible despite their role in the story being quite solid narratively. The heroes are responsible for discovering and recruiting the Ewoks due to their virtues and powers gained over the course of the previous two movies, and that, along with Luke's willingness to sacrifice himself to avoid the Empire discovering them, winds up deciding the victory in the final battle.

Meanwhile in ROTK(the movie) Aragorn recruits some undead because he's special (and not related to anything we've seen from the movies. When Luke lifts 3PO to impress the Ewoks we saw him suffer and work to earn those skills in ESB). Those undead wind up being portrayed as way overpowered and make a mockery of the sacrifices made by the Theoden, the Rohirrim, and the defenders of Minas Tirith. Note that I'm not actually saying Peter Jackson made a big mistake here, this is just one of the problems with trying to adapt a novel where you have lots of time for subplots with interim setups and payoffs, to a movie where you have to just stick to a few major threads. On the other hand at least you don't have blatant retcons like Luke and Leia being related.

[Anonymous No.5803018]

>>5802942
>Your glasses would steam up and your bowtie would start spinning around while you wheezed with uncontrollable asthmatic rage.
Thank you for painting a picture of what's happening to you right now, very humorous I must say.
Next time try to hide your very evident frustration a bit better though.
>>5802946
>I could argue Baldur's Gate vs Xenogears if I wanted to
And you'd be a dumbass to do so, like most mouthbreathers on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.5803023]

>>5803002
The point was that you said Suikoden II was critically acclaimed while Xenogears wasn't, which is not only wrong, but in your mind is a reason that two games shouldn't be compared. I'm not suggesting that critical acclaim is indicative of quality, but you inferred that 'cause you're fucked in the head.

[Anonymous No.5803025]

>>5803010
>I just want to know why compare these two games?
Already answered jesus christ:
> two games from the same genre from the same generation with similar levels of sub-Final Fantasy mainstream notoriety and are both highly praised?
being a dumbfuck nitpick about actual levels of notoriety and praise utterly misses the point.
>>5802964
I don't care in the slightest whether you think they are "not similar" or "similar." That is not the point at all. Which one is a better game? Caveat emptor all you want that the games can't be compared directly. It doesn't mean you can't do it.

[Anonymous No.5803030]

>>5803018
Jesus fuck you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.5803032]

>>5803012
You've compared the uncomparable. Blasphemer.

[Anonymous No.5803045]

>>5803025
The answer is going to depend on personal preference as both are considered good games.

[Anonymous No.5803059]

>>5803045
I mean the general consensus is that suikoden is a better game because its not as niche and actually fucking complete.

[Anonymous No.5803062]

>>5803045
That's what the OP was asking. Do you think he was asking which is objectively better? Doubtful as that answer doesn't existence no matter which two games are compared.

[Anonymous No.5803238]

>>5802846
Kill yourself for making this retarded thread.

[Anonymous No.5803282]

>>5802867

Xenofags die in fire.

[Anonymous No.5803293]

>>5803238
You're this spaz, aren't you? >>5803018

[Anonymous No.5803307]

Make way for an actual good PSX jarpig.

[Anonymous No.5803308]

>>5803062
>Doubtful as that answer doesn't existence no matter which two games are compared.
lmfao sounds like something a Xenofag that knows Gears is a horrible trainwreck but doesn't want to own up to it would say.

[Anonymous No.5803312]

The state of xenofags and Retardkodens; actually 0 arguments on this thread, just people ranting and tellin MUH CRITCZ LOVS. I'll tell you, the objetivelly truth. Both games are absolutely and disgusting garbage tier. But for the sake of crowing one the best, in this huge pile of shit that is the amalgamation of these 2 reverse manum opus, I'll choose Suikoshit II. At least I had some fun at the start with the gypsie band, xeno is just cringe characters from start to finish

[Anonymous No.5803318]

>>5802862
Although you do have a point, after all I'm all for fat asses, i think xenogears has a better overall experience while Suikoden II has some cool battle system. It's just Squaresoft rpgs back then kicked major ass.

[Anonymous No.5803391]

>>5803318
It just won't fucking die.

[Anonymous No.5803641]

Suikoden 2 had better plot, characters, art style and yes a better gameplay mechanics
seeing your castle getting evolved as you progress in the game was one of the best experiences i've had with a video game
even the first Suikoden game is better than Xenoshit

[Anonymous No.5803647]

>>5803282
>effortless response lacking any points as a rebuttal to ones objectively superior knowledge.
this board gets worse and worse every day.

[Anonymous No.5803853]

>>5803293
nope

[Anonymous No.5803861]

>>5803045
This is a board for talking about videogames and that often involves expressing personal preference.

[Anonymous No.5803867]

Suikoden 2; Xenogears is a mess, an incredible mess in the first half, an awful mess in the second.

[Anonymous No.5803875]

>>5802938
These threads are retarded useless shitposting bait straight off of /v/, ranking threads, vs. threads, x is the worst, x is the greatest, my review of x, are all garbage that you can take back to where you came from

[Anonymous No.5803883]

Suiko 2 is my favorite turn-based JRPG of all time. I like the smaller scale, the wholesome feeling of living in your castle, the cooking battles, the large amount of characters with colorful personalities and how quick and painless the combat was. Being able to hit "Auto" and watch the battle end in 20 seconds so you can get back to your comfy exploration game was really nice.

I really didn't like Xenogears. The combat was okay but I felt Legend of Legaia did it better, and I hated the heavy-handed story. Note that I also dislike Evangelion, so anything in a similar vein is just not my style. I'm not saying which game is better or worse because that's retarded, it all comes down to taste.

[Anonymous No.5804817]

>>5802846
Xenogears, even though it's completely unfinished, is a million times better than that other piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.5805207]

>>5802846
Just play both

[Anonymous No.5805272]

>>5803883
>I'm not saying which game is better or worse because that's retarded, it all comes down to taste.
Good post, but you already said which is better and which is worse, and taste is what dictates it.

[Anonymous No.5805278]

>>5802846
Suikoden 2 for being solid
Xenogears for the spectacle

[Anonymous No.5805607]

>>5804817
>>5805278

Shitty spectacle indeed.

[Anonymous No.5806375]

Xenogears. Better story

[Anonymous No.5807769]

>>5803307
this anon gets it

[Anonymous No.5807812]

>>5802914
Xenogears was critically well-received and most likely sold more than any 2 Suikoden games combined. In fact I think if you take out the big 4 (FF, DQ, Pokemon, KH), Xenogears is more or less like a top-3 JRPG ever. For a game that wasn’t really directly sequelized or rereleased ad nauseum on every shitty platform, that’s actually astounding.

[Anonymous No.5807848]

>>5807769
But better on Sega CD.

[Anonymous No.5807875]

>>5807812
>If you take out all these notable games then it's one of the best games ever
what the fuck kind of argument is this? not to mention you've listed fucking kingdom hearts there which says even more about how little credibility you have.

[Anonymous No.5807958]

>>5807875
Did you miss the part where I was talking about critical reception and sales, and not my personal opinion? Actually it wasn’t so much a “part” as it was literally the only content of the post

[Anonymous No.5808064]

>>5806375
>>5807812
Shite.

[Anonymous No.5808165]

>>5807958
The stupidity of this forum never fails to impress.

[Anonymous No.5808176]

>>5802846
Xenogears just for the story alone

[Anonymous No.5808230]

>>5807958
I'm not the guy you were arguing with previously, I don't give a shit about sales. If the fact that you googled something is supposed to somehow make your claim that 'xenogears would be a top 3 rpg of all time if a bunch of other notable rpgs didn't exist' valid, then you're an even bigger moron than I thought. Don't move the goalposts.

[Anonymous No.5808602]

>>5808230
Where were the goalposts to begin with? I think I was trying to demonstrate that Xenogears was more popular and critically lauded than Suikoden. Mission accomplished. Do you want to discuss opinion instead? Go ahead.

[Anonymous No.5808619]

>>5802846
Xenogears but only because I like mecha.

[Anonymous No.5808741]

>>5803883
But you like the better game more because of your refined taste. Cannot deny it.

[Anonymous No.5810457]

>>5808176

>Story

,,,

[Anonymous No.5810635]

>>5803045
Wrong. xenogears is universally considered to be the foulest piece of rotting garbage in the entire cesspit. Other monstrosities may be objectively bad, but they were often simple cash-grabs putting a different skin on an existing framework for a cheap profit. xenogears was actually INTENDED to be a serious work of genuine value, yet ended up the same quality as the worst of the worst which makes it dig into new depths of even worse.

[Anonymous No.5811180]

The first Suikoden is superior. S2 completely fucked up the endgame.

[Anonymous No.5811209]

Is it just me or are those combination spells garbage?

>use two spell points
>resulting spell doesn't deal even as much damage as the two spells separate
>automatic, so heavily gimps thunder rune

[Anonymous No.5812093]

>>5807812
What?
Lufia, Lunar, Wild Arms, Breath of Fire, Tales, Persona, Fire Emblem, Star Ocean, Ys, Parasite Eve, Front Mission, Mother, the Souls games, SaGa, Seiken Densetsu, and Chrono Trigger. Even if you hate most of what I said, there are outright better games than Xenogears in there.
Xenogears is solid... ish. The combat (both kinds) holds together well enough (though there's no reason to not just do your best combos at any point in time at all times). The plot is overstuffed, I always get lost in the overall thrust of things while playing it, and of course the last third(?) of the game falls apart completely.

[Anonymous No.5812605]

>>5803647
Shit game.

>>5810635
Wisdom.

[Anonymous No.5812638]

>>5802914
>>Suikoden 2 is critically praised xenogears is not ( cult following at best)

stopped reading there, i can see straight away how fucking biased and how mentally retarded you are. Did your Mom drop you when you are a child?

[Anonymous No.5812660]

I don't play Chinese computer simulations.

[Anonymous No.5813506]

>>5802846

the one with Elly, because of her

[Anonymous No.5813510]

>>5813506