/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5770496]

Which early 3D consoles had the best aesthetic graphic design to you

[Anonymous No.5770501]

Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5770503]

>>5770496
At the end of the day, PS1. N64 had its moments but I think the PS1 was more consistently good. I never personally owned a Saturn but I don't think it compares.

[Anonymous No.5770504]

Never liked the jaggies and warped, pixelated textures of the ps1, so I'll go with the N64, can't say much about the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.5770505]

>>5770501
Wouldn't this kind of be just a really good cherrypicked example though?

[Anonymous No.5770506]

>>5770505
No? All of Sega's Saturn 3D games are great looking.

[Anonymous No.5770521]

>>5770506
>>5770501
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.5770523]

>>5770496
N64 by a mile

[Anonymous No.5770527]

3D: N64
2D: Saturn
FMV: PS1

[Anonymous No.5770535]

>>5770521
Yeah the game looks nowhere near that on a real console. Higher res and texture filtering, as well as a higher framerate do a lot for any early 3D game.

[Anonymous No.5770537]

>>5770523
Mmmm yes I too love horrifically low quality textures compensated for by a permanent vasaline filter that can’t be disabled.

[Anonymous No.5770538]

>>5770537
Looks like the average ps1 game

[Anonymous No.5770541]

>>5770535
What are you talking about retard? The only thing you’re correct on is higher resolution in the Zwei webm, otherwise both are running without texture filtering or perspective correction, and at the standard 30 fps they turn on on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.5770542]

>>5770541
*turn out

[Anonymous No.5770548]

>>5770538
Find me a PS1 game with texture resolution that poor.

[Anonymous No.5770551]

>>5770548
1280x960
>>5770537
>638x478
anyway, console wars, yay!
PS1 still screenshots never do justice to the real thing anyway. It needs the pixel wobble.

[Anonymous No.5770554]

>>5770551
Criticism is console warring now? Grow up.

[Anonymous No.5770557]

>>5770548
Why would I compare piles of shit with you? All early 3D looks like ass.

[Anonymous No.5770559]

>>5770557
>All early 3D looks like ass.

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.5770564]

>>5770554
>criticism

[Anonymous No.5770571]

>>5770527
>2D: Saturn
Except without the ram expansion the saturn is weaker in the 2d department than the psx.

[Anonymous No.5770573]

>>5770496
The N64 cannot be topped.

[Anonymous No.5770575]

>>5770564
How was what I posted not criticism? I own all three consoles so I’m more than equipped to criticize the N64’s blurry output compared to that of the other two.

[Anonymous No.5770579]

>>5770575
you know that the anti-aliasing effect actually works on SD displays.

[Anonymous No.5770582]

>>5770579
This is such bullshit, no it fucking doesn’t and I’m tired of hearing it. N64 games look ugly and blurry regardless of what they’re displayed on, and especially over something like S-Video.

[Anonymous No.5770586]

>>5770582
I disagree. Also, it highly depends on the game, certain games have a more blurry look to them while others got better workaround textures. But still, in 5th gen it was either some blur with AA (which imo really isn't bad in SD displays, it only looks bad on HD to me, but then again all sd games look bad in HD), or pixelated messes, textures still couldn't be very good. Even in PS2 era textures can look blurry.
But to say that "all N64 games look ugly", that's some bias against the console, it's not ture.

[Anonymous No.5770590]

Ps1 had the most versatile sceneries. So I'm going ps1.

[Anonymous No.5770870]

>>5770548
I like the hearts and minimap to be ultra sharp like that. Rest sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.5770883]

>>5770501
>>5770506
everyone knows nights and panzer dragoon. name one more.

[Anonymous No.5770886]

>>5770496
In general n64 had better graphics but ps1 was the better console due to its library.

[Anonymous No.5770893]

>>5770537
>compensated for by a permanent vasaline filter that can’t be disabled.
Why do people talk about wrong shit they don't understand?

[Anonymous No.5770894]

>>5770893
He's right tho, the N64 uses some form of archaic anti-aliasing that makes everything look like you have 60 dioptric degrees of myopia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDiHgKil8AQ

[Anonymous No.5770901]

>picking anything other than ps1

Don't be a tryhard contrarian, anon. It's not funny anymore.

[Anonymous No.5770904]

>>5770894
Yeah I've watched this video. It's completely wrong.

For starters, the Gameshark codes remove dither filtering, not anti-aliasing. The dither filtering is there to reduce banding / dither artifacts, not jaggies (anti-aliasing is for combating jaggies). Secondly, game developers had the option of using the dither filtering or not. Quake 64 even has an option in the menu so users can turn dither filtering on and off.

[Anonymous No.5770990]

>>5770496
I consider PS1's texture warping slightly worse than N64's shitty filter. I honestly didn't know about the filter until I tried to play it on an LCD where, to be fair, it is completely unplayable.

[Anonymous No.5770993]

>>5770883
Virtual On. Fighters Megamix. Daytona USA CC. Sega Rally Championship.

[Anonymous No.5771019]

>>5770496
They were both awful. I still wish 5th gen focused on 2D and most of thev3D stuff waited for 6th.

[Anonymous No.5771326]

>>5770506
>>5770501
Shame they only stuck to arcadey titles and never really made anything "big" in scale, that console would have done a lot better if they had.

[Anonymous No.5771340]

>>5771326
I loved Sega, but I'm glad they died sticking to their roots than pandering to casual audiences just to stay afloat.

[Anonymous No.5771345]

PSX, easily.

[Anonymous No.5771351]

>early 3D consoles
What kind of newfag speak is this? What does it even mean, I assume you mean fifth gen and not 3D on earlier consoles? Whatever it is this thread doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Anonymous No.5771390]

>>5771351
>newfag speak
More easily defined as your post.

[Anonymous No.5771401]

>>5771326
What do you call Panzer Dragoon Saga?

[Anonymous No.5771419]

>>5770548

The PS1 can't even do games like OoT because has to tessellate everything or drop textures entirely to keep the textures from warping.

[Anonymous No.5771451]

>>5770993
Not one of these games has full 3D exploration like Mario 64 or OoT. They're just arcade games with 3D graphics.

[Anonymous No.5771474]

>>5771451
>They're just arcade games with 3D graphics.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? But at any rate see >>5771401

[Anonymous No.5771485]

Nintendo 64
(but, I'm a Nintendo-fag, so...)

[Anonymous No.5771491]

>>5771485
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.5771526]

>>5770496
I don't know, PS1 looked pretty good. N64 did too. Both had highest of highs and lowest of lows.

[Anonymous No.5771529]

>>5771526
Do you think emulator footage is actually a legitimate means of showing off hardware?

[Anonymous No.5771532]

>>5770571
Show me the PlayStation's sprite scaling and rotation hardware and dedicated tilemapper.

[Anonymous No.5771860]

>>5771532
Show me Saturn handling transparency.

[Anonymous No.5771872]

I personally love how Crash and Spyro look.
The games still hold up well to this day.
I never touched the Saturn and as for 64, I only played Zelda and Mario using the Wii so I don't have experience with the oroginalnconsole but I think those games at least hold up just as well.
My money still goes to the psx.

[Anonymous No.5772807]

>>5771860

[Anonymous No.5772816]

>>5770571
Show me the Playstation render 200 sprite armies complete with magic effects and transparency without frame-rate drops.

[Anonymous No.5772926]

>>5772816
>Saturn
>transparency
U wot m8

[Anonymous No.5772931]

>>5770571
lay of the meth

[Anonymous No.5772938]

>>5772926
are you blind or something

[Anonymous No.5772941]

>>5772816
You're aware that the Saturn hardware was extremely slow at drawing 2D because all sprites went through the rotation & scaling silicon even if they were flat? The Saturn didn't draw polygons, only distorted sprites.

Meanwhilst the PSX had a hardware fast-path for 2D sprites and coud blt hundreds of thousands of 2D sprites a second.

The Saturn hardware was shit. Don't conflate the presence of execellent games on bad hardware with the need to defend bad hardware. The N64's hardware was even worse than the Saturn when it comes to drawing efficiency and that doesn't make Mario 64 any less of industry landmark.

[Anonymous No.5772946]

>>5772941
>The Saturn didn't draw polygons, only distorted sprites.
How is that not by definition polygonal rendering?

>Meanwhilst (cringe) the PSX had a hardware fast-path for 2D sprites and coud blt hundreds of thousands of 2D sprites a second.
And no dedicated background generator whatsoever meaning that backgrounds needed to be rendered with sprites along with dynamic objects. VDP2 gives Saturn the edge in 2D games, just accept it already.

https://youtu.be/-Jju0bnj__c

[Anonymous No.5773012]

>>5772941
>The N64's hardware was even worse than the Saturn when it comes to drawing efficiency and that doesn't make Mario 64 any less of industry landmark.
Errmm.. you do realise the N64 has a hardware rectangle blit path like the PS1 did right?

The PS1 blit path is 66 MPixel/s. The N64 blit path is 250 MPixel/s.

[Anonymous No.5773271]

>>5770501
Not true 3D

[Anonymous No.5773280]

>>5770537
how did you get it to look like that

[Anonymous No.5773302]

>>5773271
If an engine has a Z-axis it's "true 3D" zoom zoom.

[Anonymous No.5774224]

All consoles are 3d since they have a height width and depth

[Anonymous No.5774243]

I'd classify "peak" N64 graphics, like Banjo Kazooie and Conker, separately and above average PS1 titles.

PS1 games looked better overall but rare showed that that console could do way better.

[Anonymous No.5774950]

disclaimer: i was a n64fag as a kid and the only time i played PS1 was spyro on my cousin's console

that being said:
- n64 runs better but the blurry/crudely anti-aliased textures are really ugly and hard to look at
- ps1 loading times and the limitations caused by them suck but the games tend to be prettier (since most devs actively avoided situations where the affine mapping problem comes up as much as possible, although it was never perfect)

[Anonymous No.5775298]

>>5770496
Had an N64 growing up but also experienced Saturn and PC.
That said, PS1.
Pixelated mess > blurry mess

[Anonymous No.5775483]

>>5774950
>ps1 games tend to be prettier
nice meme

[Anonymous No.5775551]

>>5773012
Attached to a 9-bit bus, lol

[Anonymous No.5775552]

>>5770496
Doesn’t that depend more on the game itself rather than what console it runs on?

[Anonymous No.5775639]

>>5772807
Now show me the Saturn handling sprite+sprite transparency. Background/foreground layer shenanigans don't count.

[Anonymous No.5775651]

>>5772946
>And no dedicated background generator whatsoever meaning that backgrounds needed to be rendered with sprites along with dynamic objects. VDP2 gives Saturn the edge in 2D games, just accept it already.
The Neo Geo MVS/AES doesn't have a proper tilemap background layer either and that system is highly regarded as a 2D gaming beast.

[Anonymous No.5775673]

>>5775483
Reaver 1 is sorta pretty on PS1.
Meanwhile every single texture DROWNS in texture scaling, and the framerate is at such a stutter level where its almost chokeworthy. Its the kind of game where its even possible to miss some of the tighter jumps if the game stutters at the right moment.

[Anonymous No.5775691]

>>5775551
>Attached to a 9-bit bus, lol
That's the whole point of RDRAM though. It ran at an absurdly high clock speed and also was double data rate memory. On a 9-bit bus, it runs at 250 MHz for 562.5 MB/s of bandwidth.

The VRAM on PS1 was also double data rate memory but on a 32-bit bus at 33 MHz for bandwidth of (33 * 4 * 2) 264 MB/s bandwidth. It also had other memory buses but the VRAM was the fastest.

[Anonymous No.5775715]

nintenfags on suicide watch shitting up the thread as always

[Anonymous No.5775723]

>>5775673
DC version is best but that's not really a fair comparison

[Anonymous No.5775752]

>>5775639
It's always an eternal moving of the goalposts with you. What a joke, I'd rather enjoy my saturn instead of wasting my time trying to prove something to a shithead who will never accept the facts no matter the tons of evidence I present. Sad!