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Just bought an n64 after selling mine many years ago, and not entirely interested in rebuilding a comprehensive collection. Does anyone have experience in using pic related? I read a review online that said it was bretty gud, but would appreciate further insight. Do games work properly on it? Are there better alternatives?

Link: http://64drive.retroactive.be/

>> No.572197 [DELETED] 

$200 to play the original game at the shitty original resolution

>lelelelelele i WANT it to be shit because that is how i le jerk le off lelelelelel good graphics cant let me get muh pretend boner

>> No.572206

>>572197
wat

>> No.572218

>>572206
n64 technology is quite literally more than 15 years old

get an emulator
its 2013

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572230

>>572197
Do you have autism?

>> No.572240

>>572160

I'm curious to know how these things work simply because I'm curious myself.

>>572218

The emulation scene for the N64 is so buggy and off.

>> No.572242

>>572218
I'm aware, but I'd prefer to play it on the actual console for a variety of reasons. And in the past I've had spotty at best luck with n64 emulation. I just want to know how it performs in playing roms.

>hurr just emulate it
Doesn't really answer my question.

>> No.572243

>>572218
>emulator
>N64
>laughing elf man.jpg

>> No.572238

>>572197
this post would make sense if you were talking about playstation emulation, but n64 emulation is fucking dog shit.

>> No.572252

>>572240
It appears to work in a manner similar to a GBA flash cart. Their webpage claims 99.9% of games work.

Review I found: http://www.nesworld.com/n64-64drive-final.php

>> No.572248

>>572206
Don't worry about the faggot, it's just trying to stir up shit.

All games I've seen work properly on it. Flashcart prices are a little steep, but compared to buying a ton of games it may or may not actually be cheaper.

>> No.572260 [DELETED] 

>>572230
I might as well, but in my case I have autism in 10x the resolution

>>572238
>>572240
>>572242
>>572243
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANd here comes the console luddite circlejerk.

>for a variety of reasons
Oh boy, you mean like none?

I'll just let you losers convince OP to blow $200 on that flashcart. For that kind of cash you could get the obscure hipster carts on ebay.

And to think I sold my 64 10 years ago for $30.

>> No.572261

>>572218

N64 emulation is ass.

>> No.572264

>>572260

>luddite

Considering N64 emulation is, on the whole, not better than the console, I don't think you know what the word "luddite" means.

>> No.572267

>>572260
Are you going to be doing anything but shitposting like a newfag in this thread?

>> No.572272

>>572260
>>>/v/

>> No.572281

>>572260
you forgot your trip, bro

>> No.572282

Just ignore the kid trying to start shit, seriously. I'm a big advoacte of emulating myself but I'm no where near a big enough faggot to try and tell people how to do things.

>> No.572284 [DELETED] 

>>572264
I know some amigafags who have been jerking off to their amiga for almost 30 years. Console ludditry is the new amiga basement religion.

>> No.572293

>>572160
If you're not interested in owning original games I would just emulate on your PC and put up with having to fiddle around with settings and graphical glitches in certain games.
If you still want an everdrive type thing I would buy from toaboa in china where they cost half the price.

>> No.572295 [DELETED] 

>>572282
>Just ignore
that's how circlejerks start le sent face ;)

>> No.572297

>>572284

I don't know what on Earth that has to do with this thread.

>> No.572298

>>572284
Does this anger you?

>> No.572305

>>572260
>for a variety of reasons
>Oh boy, you mean like none?

1. Emulators don't work very well, especially with my Mac.
2. I already have a nice set-up with other consoles (Genesis, SNES, NES), and I'm planning on adding my N64 to it.
3. >For that kind of cash you could get the obscure hipster carts on ebay.
Yeah probably true, but like I said, I don't really want to deal with the hassle of tracking them all down/cleaning them/storing them. Also,
>implying $200 is a truly significant amount of money.

Thanks for the help!

>> No.572314

>>572197
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing or having a contrary opinion, but that's some grade-A pasteurized shitposting right there.
Try to post like you aren't the shit scraped from the bottom of the /b/ barrel next time.

>> No.572318

I'm guessing this is the same guy trying to kill the console restoration thread. What are you waiting mods? Just ban the faggot.

>> No.572323

>>572293
How does the Everdrive perform compared to emulation? I've never really had good luck with emulating N64.

>> No.572324

>>572293
>If you're not interested in owning original games I would just emulate on your PC and put up with having to fiddle around with settings and graphical glitches in certain games.

It's not just graphical settings. Sometimes the emulators come up with weird other issues. In Ocarina of Time I had this strange crash occur every time I entered certain areas. I had to change this particular setting whenever I had to go through and back to normal once I did, otherwise the game would run slow.

>> No.572325

>$200
HOLY FUCK! You could buy pretty much all the N64 games you would have any real interest in played for that much.

Are there any rare N64 games that go for $100+? I don't know of any. I mean just, fuck where do they come up with these fucking prices?

>> No.572327

>>572260
are you fucking retarded? N64 EMULATION IS HORRIBLE and it's gonna be like that forever because it goes beyond the coding. i don't know the specifics, but there are certain technical details a modern computer can not emulate therefore n64 emulation is at it's peak (why do you think it has advanced so little in the last 10 years?)

you could say the very same thing about any other console and i would agree because i'm an emulatorfag, but the n64? good fucking luck, you ignorant piece of shit.

>> No.572334

lol, dumbass little kid got banned

moving on...

>> No.572345

>>572325
I don't think so.
The main plus for me here is that I can get rid of the old carts that I had. I'm not a collector, but I do like playing games in their original form. I hate having hundreds to thousands of hunks of plastic laying around. If I have just every console, plus one of these for each, I'll be perfectly happy, and I'm getting to that point.

>> No.572347

>>572325
All the games I really want, (Harvest Moon 64, Mario Party's 1-3, Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Mario Kart, and a few other here or there) would certainly come close to or exceed $200. I don't mind paying that, I already have a pretty substantial SNES collection, but building it is time-consuming. If I can get a product that works just about as well for not too much more money I'm willing to do it.

>> No.572356

>>572325
They like to hike them up a little because only a few flashcarts actually exist for each system.

>> No.572364

So anyway, does anyone have experience in using this thing? Or any other N64 flash cart for that matter?

>> No.572381

>>572218
>implying that emulating ANY console is better than using the actual console

sure, computers today may be more powerful than retro systems, but that means NOTHING when the systems ran on a totally different architecture. Except for maybe 8 bit systems, making any system run exactly, let alone better, as it would on the actual console is a pain staking (on the programmer's side) and recourse intensive (on the user's side) task.

>> No.572404

>>572364
I don't have any experience with them yet, but I haven't heard much bad about them. I'd say go for it really if the price isn't ridiculous.

>> No.572406

>>572381
So do you think that running roms through this on the console would produce results similar to using the actual cart? Or would it be spotty like running them through an emulator? I'm kind of clueless with this sort of thing.

>> No.572418

>>572381
It's also because the consoles lack documentation. MIPS is a pretty well know architecture, but the other chips are a wonder.

>> No.572436

>>572406
I've never used one, so I could be wrong, but I image it would be like using one of those NES multirom carts, it would give you a menu and then it would run just like a normal N64 game, I don't think you have much to worry about. Though you could always do your own research if you are actually so nervous about it, you know..

>> No.572450

>>572406
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbAy23h8d0

>> No.572443

>>572418
I know, I was just over simplifying it

>> No.572446

>>572436
Very true, thanks!

>> No.572504

>>572450
>$165
>have to buy firmware updates after the first two

haha, wow, this thing is such a rip off, tell me that there are others that are cheaper than this and don't try to rip you off with firmware updates that work just as well

>> No.572514

>>572406

It's exactly the same as playing the original cart. I have the Everdrive MD and I'm no Ninentdo expert, but I'm sure the only problem is that you can't play games which had an additional chip, for example the SNES verson can't play Starfox because it doesn't have the Super-FX chip. I don't know if this is an issue for any/many N64 games.

But to answer your question, it's nothing like emulation. The console doesn't know the difference, and it's exactly like playing a real cartridge.

>> No.572525

>>572514
I don't think it would be an issue on N64 games, since I'm pretty sure that they never used specialized chips that way, there was an upgrade module that was used on a few games, but it went into the system it's self

>> No.572543

>>572325
>are there any rare N64 games that go for $100+? I don't know of any.
how the fuck are you in a retro games board without knowing this kind of shit? i have never played n64 and even I know that bangai-o and clayfighter sculptur's cut usually sell for at least 100 bucks. there must probably other ones (im guessing sin and punishment had a similar price before being released for the vc)

>> No.572556

>>572543
stop responding to trolls please

>> No.572558

>>572525
there's region lockout built into n64 carts so might be an issue

>> No.572569 [DELETED] 

>>572558
true, but that would be an issue on an actual N64 cart from another country as well though

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>>572514
Thanks m8, appreciate the insight. Looking at the Everdrive 64, seems pretty good.

>> No.572602

>>572558
since that's something in almost every game, I'm pretty sure the issue is dealt with by the cart it's self, stop being so paranoid

>> No.572630

are there carts like this for handhelds as well, I own a gamegear, an original gameboy, and a gameboy advance

>> No.572645

>>572630
I'm pretty sure there's an Everdrive for Game Gear. Google it!

>> No.572654

>>572630
I've seen something called the smartboy cart for gameboy before and I'm there must be one for gba not sure about gamegear though

>> No.572650

>>572356
the guy who developed the 64drive manufactures every one by hand. once you add up the costs of all the components plus assembly time plus all the time it took him to research, program, and test this thing, $200 is justified

>> No.572664

>>572356
Flashcarts aren't mass produced.
They are made by hand.

>> No.572673

>>572664
looking at everdrive ones, they sure as fuck don't look soldered by hand

>> No.572691

Pretty much already been answered, but quick rundown regardless; get the Everdrive 64 instead, it's half the price and has equal compatibility, you can upgrade the firmware just by putting the files on an SD card, it supports every game now (the two known problem games were Banjo Tooie and Jet Force Gemini, the former was cracked last year and an on-the-fly fix added to the ED64 firmware so the standard NTSC ROM works, and JFG works if you use the fixed ROM denoted by an [f] in the filename).

>>572673
They have professional level solder stations and plenty of experience soldering tiny components.

>> No.572685

>>572630
Found one for Game Gear here, http://www.stoneagegamer.com/flash-carts/everdrive-gg-game-gear/all-regions-en-3/

>> No.572704

>>572691
lol, yeah right, they are lazer etched you dumb fuck, just look at them

>> No.572727

>>572630
>>572685
You could also get the Master System one, which works on a Game Gear using the Master Gear adapter, then you're getting one cart for two systems.

For GBA, there's a few carts, don't think any are actually made anymore though. Look up EZ Flash IV, you might be able to find one. GB/C, your only option right now is the USB Smart Card 64M, which only supports a few games and saves at once, you have to reprogram it over USB. Krikzz might eventually make a GBC cart, but not any time soon.

>>572704
Could you do me a favor, put a tirp or a name on, so I can filter you?

>> No.572718

>>572543
You generally don't buy Clayfighter to play it. It's not very good.

>> No.572736

>>572685
>>572645
yeah, I googled game gear flash cart directly after, the ever drive one says it only supports games up to 8MB in size, where there any games that actually went over this in size or is that stated simply for homebrewers?

>> No.572740

>>572691
Yeah looking into it now, seems hard to find as it's sold out everywhere. Going to keep my eyes peeled, thanks brah. Have you used it before? Other than the aforementioned games, everything works pretty soundly?

>> No.572747

>>572704
isn't the everdrive only half the price if you buy it without the case or cic chip

>> No.572748

Best GBC flash cart that plays the GBC exclusives?

>> No.572750

>>572160
>http://64drive.retroactive.be/
>Sweet, I'm interested
>199.99
>NOPE

Sorry but that shit isn't worth 0.2 grand

>> No.572758

>>572160
Every single game I have tried has worked perfectly. A few games needed hacked roms, but it has 100 percent compatibility after that.

>> No.572752

>>572727
>You could also get the Master System one, which works on a Game Gear using the Master Gear adapter, then you're getting one cart for two systems.
I don't have a master system and don't really have any plans to buy one, so that would seem kinda pointless

>> No.572764

>>572740
Yeah, got one myself, works perfectly with every game I've tried it with, and I've tried it with most games. Also, watch out for a similar cart called "ED64 Plus", it's not an actual product made by Krikzz, it's a knockoff made by some Chinese cart maker, cheaper make, can't update it, reports of it outright not working.

>>572747
Not quite half price, but you save a bit, yeah.

>>572748
USB 64M is your only option for now.

>>572752
Fair enough, pointed it out just in case.

>> No.572765

>>572750
It saves in the long run though if you're intending on buying more than ~10 games. Just Harvest Moon 64 (probably the game I want more than any other), goes for $30+ not including shipping. This allows for flexibility and I won't have to find even more room for storage.

>> No.572768

>>572727
Doesn't the Genesis one also support Master System roms since the Genesis plays Master System games anyway?

Seems to me like the Genesis one would be the best bet.

>> No.572769

>>572764
>USB 64M is your only option for now.
Any links?
Can it run Shantae?

>> No.572770

>>572758
>>572764
Appreciate the insight guys, definitely going to keep my eyes peeled.

>> No.572778

>>572765
>>572750
Better yet, get the ED64 for half the price! I haven't yet seen a convincing argument for the 64drive other than slightly faster flashing time.

>>572769
http://store.kitsch-bent.com/product/usb-64m-smart-card
Far as I know, it runs every game.

>>572768
It does, yes, but I mentioned the MD one because he was asking about Game Gear.

>> No.572782

>>572768
>Seems to me like the Genesis one would be the best bet.

if I owned a genesis, sure it would

>> No.572783

>>572764
no i mean isn't the everdrive only half the price of the 64drive if you compare a base everdrive to a complete 64drive

>> No.572784

>>572778
Oh, and one last question.
How many games can it hold?
I plan on putting Crystal, Shantae and Revelations The Demon Slayer on it

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572794

>>572764
>>572758
Just general noob question, would I need to get controller memory cards or do saves go onto the cartridge? I won pic related a few days ago and it's pretty bare-bones.

>> No.572791

>>572778
Go to bed already, Krikzz.

>> No.572817

>>572794
>http://www.nesworld.com/n64-64drive-final.php
>If a game uses onboard saving, either being EEPROM, SRAM or FLASHRAM, the 64drive will then create a save folder in the folder containing the ROM. All types of saves, EEPROM, SRAM and FLASHRAM are now supported by the 64drive, including non-standard saves such as the 768kb SRAM used in Dezaemon 3D.

>> No.572819

>>572736
could some one answer my question please, since googling isn't really helping

>> No.572825

>>572794
Most games use in-cartidges saves. The only ones that used memory sticks were near launch titles and games that were dual released on the playstation.

I have the system since 1997 and I dont remember ever needing a memory card

>> No.572828

>>572819
Doing a cursory search of game gear roms seems to indicate that the average rom is ~500KB, so I would think that you'd be fine and it's more for homebrewers as hypothesized.

>> No.572832

>>572783
It's $115 if you get it with the CIC installed, $100 without. So slightly more than half.

>>572784
Depends on the size of the games. As per the name, it has a maximum of 64 megabits, so you're limited to that. Should be enough for three games. You'll also want to get the after-market menu here http://thegaminguniverse.org/ninjagaiden4/mottzilla/smartcard.html

>>572794
If the game saves to Memory Pak, then yeah you'll need one. Otherwise it supports all on-cart saving.

>>572791
If anyone has any real reason to get the 64drive instead, I'll happily start recommending that.

>> No.572880

>>572828
I probably could have just searched through my collection of master system roms that I have for emulation actually, since they are pretty much the same system.... and also, that being said, can you play master system roms on a ED GG?

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572896

Is there a snes flashcard that can be trusted and is actually for sale?
It's my favorite system, I grew up with it, but expanding my limited library would be quite expensive.
>mfw I saw the price of Evo Search For Eden

>> No.572915

>>572218
>2013
>not having a hacked wii, a ps3, a gaming PC and an N64

>> No.572939

>>572880
>GaeGear and SMS games are supported
http://krikzz.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=53

Apparently.

>>572896
Yes, there's a few. SNES Powerpak and Super Everdrive are both equal in compatibility.
http://www.retrousb.com/downloads/incompatibilitylist.html List of games that won't work on either.

There's also the SD2SNES which has much better compatibility, because it emulates a lot of the extra chips that some SNES games used. SuperFX is currently being developed, will likely be ready in the next few months. It's expensive, though, $200.

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>>572381
>implying that emulating ANY console is better than using the actual console
>implying is not the case of wii and GC at this point

>> No.572990

>>572939
The games that I want to have (the snes belonged to my brother and he refuses to give em up even though he is not into retro gaming at all) are the DK series, Mario series, Secret of Mana, and a handful of cheaper titles.
That alone would set me back at least €150, so $200 is not that expensive to be able to play virtually every EU/US/JAP game in existence.

Thanks for the suggestions!

>> No.573001

>>572832
wait where did you get a complete everdrive for $115

>> No.573024

>>573001
It's $99 here, http://shop.retrogate.com/EverDrive-64-v2-ED64.htm but sold out. Never seen this site before, but it's linked to on the krikkz website.

>> No.573030

>>573024
Scratch that,
>IMPORTANT: This cartridge will not work without a CIC chip. User should either buy a cartridge with a CIC chip preinstalled, or obtain a CIC chip from an original N64 cartridge and solder it in manually. CIC-6102 should be used for NTSC systems and CIC-7101 should be used for PAL systems. Do not buy cart with CIC-6102 for PAL system in case if CIC-7101 is out of stock!

>> No.573034

>>572990
Also want to point out that there's a few games that likely won't ever be supported on the SD2SNES, due to the sheer complexity of the SA-1 chip that they use. There's a full incompatibility list here: http://sd2snes.de/blog/status/compatibility
Notable SA-1 games are Super Star, Dream Land 3 and Mario RPG. And like I said, SuperFX games will work sometime soon.

>>573001
http://www.stoneagegamer.com/everdrive64-board-only-ntsc.html

>>573024
Retrogate is Krikzz's own store. And fyi, if you're in the UK, that's the one you should use. Shipping between Ukraine and the UK is surprisingly good, I received my N8 after only 5 days, and didn't pay any customs.

>> No.573061

>>573034
>http://sd2snes.de/blog/status/compatibility
That's a shame, I would have loved to play the Mario RPG. Oh well.
Will the SuperFX games be a software update, or will they require a new cart?

>> No.573070

>>573061
It'll be a software update, just put a few files on the SD card.

>> No.573107

>>573070
Thanks.
Is retrogate to be trusted? It seems to be the shop closest to where I live (Belgium).

>> No.573134

>>573107
Yeah, it's Krikzz's site, and he helps make SD2SNES boards.

>> No.573180

>>573134
Cheers man. I bookmarked it, it's not a bad thing it's out of stock since I tend to make impulsive purchases, this gives me some time to think.

>> No.573191

>>572939
derp, oh well, I'll blame my not having eaten yet when I wrote those posts on my lack of just looking for myself, lol

>> No.573197

>>572832
Before I buy anything like this I always poke around as much as possible, so I visit these forums and I see that people are having a lot of problems with the Everdrive 64. Meanwhile, I look on benheck and the handful of issues that pop up seem to be solved by marshallh himself. Given the rate of issues and the kind of guy marshallh is, I'd feel much more comfortable buying a 64Drive than I would an Everdrive.
You've got a hell of a lot of enthusiasm for a product you're apparently not associated with, but I don't want to save a bit of cash just to have my cart arrived and spend some hours trying to get the thing to work.

>> No.573209

>>572794
http://n64.icequake.net/mirror/www.elitendo.com/n64/usa_boot_save_list.html

>> No.573217

>>573197
OP here. What kind of issues are you referring to?

>> No.573225

>>573209
So essentially I would still need to purchase a memory pak?

>> No.573261

>>573197
what "issues" and "problems" does the ED64 have? it would actually be helpful to this thread if you pointed them out.

also, just because I have to...
hi marshallh

>> No.573259

>>573225
depends of the game you'd want. Diddy Kong Racing primary save form is EEPROM, so no controller pak is needed, even though you can save using it as well. Games like Rayman and Quest 64 can only be saved with the memory pak.

>> No.573278

>>573197
>>573217
I'm wondering this as well. Haven't seen mention of any problems that weren't solved in later firmware updates. And Krikzz is also quite active in helping the community, he has a forum on his own site, as well as the Everdrive forums on assemblergames, both of which he regularly checks and posts on.

>> No.573314

>>573217
All sorts of them, I guess. More than just compatibility issues, anyway, which was the worst that I was expecting.
http://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?board=4.0

>>573261
Are you claiming that the Everdrive 64 is problem-free? Or that anything could be? It's one thing to push for the thing because you like it, but you might want to suck its dick a little less.

>> No.573373

>>573314
Most of those seem to be issues with people's SD cards than the cart itself. I had a few of those issues myself, but I switched to a branded SD card that I knew was a real one and not a relabelled cheap chinese one, no more issues. Not saying you're 100% guaranteed to get it problem free if you do buy one, but on the exceptionally rare occasion it actually is an issue with the cart that can't be fixed with a software or firmware update, Krikzz is good about people returning their carts to get them fixed.

>> No.573528

>>573314
most of these posts are people complaining about pokemon stadium... and the ones that aren't seem to pretty much be their own mistakes.

>> No.573540

>>573314
>Are you claiming that the Everdrive 64 is problem-free? Or that anything could be? I
of course I wasn't, are you dense? I was simply asking you to state what the problems were
your attitude is making me think you work for or are marshallh

>> No.573550

>>573373
>relabled cheap SD Card
I never knew this was an issue, I assume this is only something to worry about if you are buying them online though

>> No.573562

>>573550
Typically, yeah. Especially if you're buying from eBay. At best they'll occasionally have some issues with files somtimes corrupting, at worst they'll have a multitude of issues, including being only a fraction of the advertised capacity.

>> No.573569

>>573562
personally I'm wary of buying anything like that from ebay, if I were buying something like online I would probably go with amazon or a site that specialized in electronics

>> No.573581

>>573569
I'd suggest the latter. Any online reseller, it's a possible issue. The reseller might not even be aware that they're selling dodgy cards.

>> No.573609

>>573540
The part where you put issues and problems in quotations implies all the issues and problems I have come across are in fact not issues or problems. I'm not even saying people shouldn't buy an Everdrive, I'm saying you give it more credit than anyone should give to a product.
Man, I didn't even want to get into an argument with you. I was just having some fun calling you Krikzz.

>> No.573620

>>573581
but if I were buying it straight from amazon (which is what I meant) rather than one of the marketplace resellers I assume it wouldn't be an issue

>> No.573627

>>573620
Then sure it'd probably be fine.

>> No.573629

>>573609
no, it implied that I thought you were trolling, which you really do seem to be

>> No.573641

>>573629
I don't understand how it's trolling at all. I gave you my legitimate concerns with this product and told you why I am more comfortable buying a 64Drive. Rather than trying to convince me that I am wrong, you just seem to have just gotten super pissed.

>> No.573651

>>573641
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, and the only person that seems "super pissed" is you, I'm not angry at all

>> No.573817

>>572160
I bought this and it said it was in production. Contacted the dude with no reply, no message back, no indication when things may be done.
Shady as fuck and more expensive. Not even really meant for playing roms anyways. find an everdrive, 30-50 dollars less.