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5715274 No.5715274 [Reply] [Original]

There's tons of n64 replacement analog sticks on amazon which one is the most accurate and as close to the original?

>> No.5715281

Do they still sell those 3d printed pieces?
Otherwise, avoid the gamecube ones.

>> No.5715286

>>5715274
none of them, they're literally all terrible.

>> No.5715306

>>5715274
There's the sharpshooter. Haven't tried it but has good reviews. Apparently it's an actual optical sensor like the original and not a pot like the GC.

I just buy the newly made gears, stick. and bowls. The top part doesn't need replacing.

>> No.5715313

>>5715286
pretty much this.
bought a "n64-like" replacement and it was utter shit: cheap and fragile, not at all like the stock stick. Then there's the gamecube stick. It feels nice, but it has terrible precision, the smallest tap is registered like maxing out the stock.
I ended up lubricating the old stock one and trying to ignore the bitter taste of settling for a shitty worn out stick.

>> No.5715325

I can't imagine any replacement stick being worse than the pile of garbage default N64 stick. Holy fuck, the N64's controller was possibly the worst controller in history, and given how many god-awful controllers there have been, that's saying something.

>> No.5715326

>>5715325
the default stick is fine. it's extremely precise and has a fantastic range of motion. its only flaw are the durability issues, which are easily mitigated with some silicone grease.

>> No.5715327

>>5715325
based

>> No.5715345

its amazon. buy em all. try em all. return em all.

>> No.5715436

>>5715274
I heard an old wive's tale that Japanese n64 controllers don't get loose over time because they had an oil in them that prevented it

>> No.5715438
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5715438

>>5715274
>There's tons of n64 replacement analog sticks on amazon which one is the most accurate and as close to the original?
Pic related is off by a bit, but not enough to notice. I have used them in the past, and have no issues with them. I know that one of them has been in daily use for the last 2 years, and is giving no issues, though I did take it apart and grease it.

>> No.5715449

>>5715438
Link?

>> No.5715461

>>5715313
The trick is to tape some weights to your controller, then you'll stop whining that it feels "cheap"

>> No.5715470

>>5715449
>Link?
I will not link, but I will suggest you look on any site that sells these sorts of things (ebay/amazon etc). There are 2 models this company makes & one is a game cube style stick, and everything I read about it is terrible. The other model is the oem style stick, and works good. The boxes are no frills, and they still use them. Shouldn't be too hard for you to find them.

>> No.5715476

>>5715436
I've heard about that as well. Something about the lubricant they used on the stick being banned in the US?
I kinda believe it, I purchased a few used controllers from a Japanese seller on eBay a few years ago, and they feel close to new.

>> No.5715481

>>5715476
No way. I've never heard about this before.

>> No.5715491

>>5715481
Don't have anything concrete about it, was just a rumor I heard once. My experience with the controllers is just anecdotal, but they weren't brand new or anything, just have very nice sticks (they were selling for way cheaper than any US listings as well, even when you factored in shipping)

>> No.5715651

>>5715325
The original Xbox controller is pretty fucking bad. Come to think of it the Dreamcast controller is a little weird too.

>> No.5715735

wtf is the point of this

just buy a new controller idiot

>> No.5715738

>>5715274
https://steelsticks64.com/

>> No.5715746

>>5715491
>Don't have anything concrete about it, was just a rumor I heard once.
I am certain I read something similar:

grease was used in Jap controllers, but not in US models. I never read why however, but it most likely has something to do with a kids toy possibly leaking something that could give the little tyke the shits if he somehow decided to to take apart a few controllers and sop out the grease with a piece of bread.

>> No.5715749

>>5715274
Replacement parts and some lube.

>> No.5715751

>>5715738
Is it really impossible to mass produce these?

>> No.5715761

>>5715751
>Is it really impossible to mass produce these?
Apparently it is impossible to mass produce even a 1:1 plastic copy of the analog. You would think that by now the chinks would have a knock off that was close. Even the best mass produced after market sticks are still not quite perfect. How fucking hard must it be to recreate the parts identically? It can't be harder than making one from scratch.

>> No.5715918

>>5715751
>>5715761
The parts are being made. The guy makes brand new gears, stick, and bowls. You just reuse the original housing, pcb, and that slotted wheel. That steelstick shit is retarded.

>> No.5715923

All the Kitsch-Bent parts are in stock. You're better off just fixing it yourself, rather than buying a replacement stick and being annoyed about how it just doesn't quite feel right.
https://store.kitsch-bent.com/product/n64-joystick-gears

>> No.5715925

>>5715918
Top tier reading comprehension, retard.

>> No.5715930

>>5715925
Are you retarded?

>> No.5715936

>>5715930
No, but you very obviously are. Remind again who is mass producing these part? Steelsticks sure as shit aren't. Kitsch-shit sure is shit aren't. Kitsch-shit parts aren't even ready for use, lmoa, but at least they're honest about that.

>> No.5715938

>>5715936
>Kitsch-shit sure is shit aren't.
He's making them in the 100s now... Maybe even the 1000s. The first batch sure.
> Kitsch-shit parts aren't even ready for use, lmoa,
Ohhh, You are retarded. You're looking for a drop in module and can't handle replacing the parts yourself. Best not open the controller at all then. I just got my order and they're the are fine. No flashing needed to be removed and the parts work as the original did. Just the sticks are clear.

>> No.5716209

>>5715735
>just buy a new controller for a console that is over 20 years old, idiot

>> No.5716213

>>5715761
>How fucking hard must it be to recreate the parts identically?
the stick works differently than every other gamepad-joystick on the planet.

>> No.5716225

>>5715438
>but not enough to notice
if you're retarded, maybe.

>> No.5716231

>>5716209
you say that like it can't be done.

new in box n64 controllers aren't even that expensive. used hori mini pads cost more.

>> No.5716258

>>5715938
>He's making them in the 100s now... Maybe even the 1000s.
Wooow.
>You're looking for a drop in module
I'm not, but nice assumption, retard.
>I just got my order and they're the are fine. No flashing
Wooow. Why do you think they have that disclaimer?

>> No.5716260

>>5715274
I fixed the analog sticks on my controllers with 2 brand new sticks I ordered off Ebay. The box was yellow I think. They work pretty damn well, nearly identical to an original controller. However knowing this board, an inaccuracy as small as a single pixel being the wrong color in an emulator is enough to make the autists here foam at the mouth with rage.

>> No.5716339

>>5715461
Doesn't matter if they feel cheap. The original stick is very precise. These shitty chink clones have massive dead zones.

>> No.5716370

>>5715438
Currently playing Jet Force Gemini with one of these things and it's still noticeably harder to aim than with a real stick. It's probably good for anything that doesn't require precision at that level though.

>> No.5716389

>>5716258
K, bud.

>> No.5716551

https://store.kitsch-bent.com/product/n64-joystick-gears

>> No.5716619

>>5715738
$125 for the analog is a bit overpriced

>> No.5717380

>>5716231
Where the fuck are you finding them? I could only find one on eBay and it was going for 340 dollars

>> No.5717385

>>5717380
>taking obvious bait
Hot outside.

>> No.5717405

>>5716619
And it's not good way to sensitive

>> No.5717785
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5717785

>>5715274
Kitsch-Bent gears/bowl/Sticks are the cheapest and the best.

But it may require minor sending and open a little bit the hole where the gears lock into the bowl, so it'll run reall fast. Lubricate it with spray and you're done. Like a 9/10 of a new one.

>> No.5720232

>>5716213
in what way?

>> No.5720264

>>5717785
Do not post irrelevant images please.

>> No.5720340

>>5720264
>4chan police

>> No.5720369

I tried the kitsch bent stuff before and was not satisfied.
I ended up finding an unused official controller for $40 though, which feels fucking amazing. You people honestly don't even realize what you're missing.

>> No.5720456

>>5716213
>the stick works differently than every other gamepad-joystick on the planet.
You missed the point entirely, so I will spell it out using the smallest words I can muster.

Why doesn't someone make an identical copy of the gears?

>> No.5722191
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5722191

>>5720456
>Why doesn't someone do something that's been done?

>> No.5722196

>>5720456
>Why doesn't someone make an identical copy of the gears?
They do and it's been linked already ITT.

>> No.5722236
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5722236

>>5722191
>>5722196
Perfect indeed.

>> No.5722249

>>5722236
They are one to one copies so don't know what to tell you. I mean literally the gears, sticks, and bowl exact 1:1 copies but with better materials.

>> No.5722251

>>5715918
The N64 stick design was bad from the beginning, even with a fresh from the factory stick and ignoring deterioration. Steel sticks fix it by making the action smooth--metal bowl + teflon bottom of stick where it makes contact.

>> No.5722252
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5722252

>>5717785
This, do not buy any of that expensive bullshit, nor cheap Chink shit from Amazon, just get the Kitsch Bent set and put that in instead and you'll be fine forever.

>> No.5722260

>>5722251
The stick being metal is pointless. The N64 stick is still among the best designs out there. Also why the guy uses rubber is beyond me. If you're going to use a metal stick the gate needs to be metal too.

>> No.5722265

>>5722252
>you'll be fine forever.
or until those wear out

>> No.5722279

>>5722249
he literally just posted proof that it isn't a 1:1 copy.

>> No.5722280

>>5715325

I've played with some junky third party controllers that have sticks which are actively worse, the only benefit being that they don't disentigrate like a cobweb after a day of using them like the normal N64 controller. I admit that's a pretty big advantage in and of itself though

>> No.5722285

>>5722279
A random screenshot doesn't prove anything when for everyone else they get OEM results. Including myself. This retard probably just used some garbage off amazon and is saying it's the newly made parts.
Don't believe me? You got eyes right? Simply look at the parts compared to some original.

>> No.5722296

>>5722260
It would be better if the gate were metal as well, yeah, but the bowl being metal is a major improvement. And why wouldn't he use rubber/silicone? It's for grip and feel, obviously. You prefer the feeling of small hard plastic?

>> No.5722302

>>5722285
>the parts look the same so they automatically function the same
I'll believe you when you show me actual numbers.

>> No.5722304

>>5717785
And a new one is a 5/10, so no thanks. Hori's stick is excellent, with the compromise of a slightly worse form factor .

>> No.5722305

>>5722296
Some delrin or just metal would be better than the rubber.
The non metal gate is a huge issue. That metal is going to destroy the gate very fast. For the money the guy is charging it's ridiculous to not have it be metal also. It's not that complicated of a part.

>> No.5722312

>>5722302
K, bud.

>> No.5722323

>>5722285
>Don't believe me? You got eyes right?
>>5722312
>K, bud.
I can't tell if you're retarded or merely pretending. Besides, I haven't seen anyone outside this thread claim that the parts are perfect except the little faggot that is you. It's your claim, so prove it, or fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of.

>> No.5722329

>>5722323
I got them in my controllers. Tested out fine...big surprise since they are literally copies.

>> No.5722345

>>5722329
I've got them in my controllers. Worst shit I've ever used.

>> No.5722364
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5722364

>>5722345
Not sure why you're shitting this up so hard? We're you retarded enough to buy one of those steelsticks or do you just hate the guy who makes these? The parts work great and the guy ships fast.

Here's a Daiei Hawks controller I'm fixing. Now lets see yours?

>> No.5722381

None of the aftermarket modules work like the original one. The best you can do is buy replacement parts for the original module and keep them lubed up so they don't break down as severely.

>> No.5722385

>>5722329
just because they feel good to you doesn't mean they're actually perfect.

>> No.5722394

>>5722385
Everdrive test program checked out fine. And I had no reason to think why it wouldn't.

>> No.5722439

>>5722364
>>5722394
Wouldn't be hard for you to make a video of you testing it, would it? I'm sure you can come up with some great excuses. Let's hear them.

>> No.5722446

>>5722439
I don't post my set up on here. Just my work table sometimes.

>> No.5722456

>>5722446
And? How is this relevant?

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5722765

>>5722236

>> No.5723924

>>5722765
how is that an argument?

>> No.5723946

>>5723924
>how is that an argument?
Its not. Its a selfie.

>> No.5724901

>>5715738
If you could at least buy one of this it would be the better option.

>> No.5726503

>>5724901
It's the only option for now if you want something that matches the original.
>>5717405
>And it's not good way to sensitive
Source: your ass.
You can cry about the price and availability all you want, but the sensitivity matches the original very closely.

>> No.5728076

So then what am I supposed to do?

>> No.5728534

>>5726503
>It's the only option for now if you want something that matches the original.
Yeah, but when can I buy it? There's a huge waiting list.

>> No.5728563

>>5722364
>Here's a Daiei Hawks controller I'm fixing.
"fixing"

>> No.5728565

>>5722305
>The non metal gate is a huge issue. That metal is going to destroy the gate very fast.
Not if the metal is smooth, and it is.

>> No.5728704

>>5728076
>>5728534
Get yourself on the list and hope you get one before he ups the price or shuts down production.

>> No.5728881

>>5728076
you can get 9/10 barely used oem n64 controllers on ebay for like $40. then just lube the bowl with some silicone grease and you'll get at least 1000 hours of gameplay out of it.

>> No.5728889

Hey y'all, N64 stick maintenance is actually pretty easy. Opening up the stick housing is easy, then you get to see how much dust you've produced through grinding plastic on plastic. Clean it out, replace the parts with new ones if they're really worn down (the black gear parts have a groove that gets worn down, that's the most obvious issue that I can see, it seems to be the cause of the stick flopping around loosely when no pressure is being applied), lubricate the essential moving parts (I use super lube multi-purpose synthetic grease, model 21030, because it's what the kitsch-bent people sell, but they upsell it a lot, you can get a huge tube on amazon for scarcely more than they charge for a little bit of it), put it all back together, and you're golden.

Here's some helpful links:

kitsch-bent, who sells the N64 parts. I'm not aware of anybody else selling replacement joystick parts:

https://store.kitsch-bent.com/product/n64-joystick-gears

Then here's an actually retro guide (1999) on how to take apart and lubricate a joystick assembly. This is super-easy stuff, if you can build legos then this is on your level.

http://codebook.potchgult.com/stickrepair/stickfix.htm

t. I repaired a shit stick and got it to feeling about like new, through repairs and parts above.

>> No.5728903

>>5728889
The one thing I will say is that on the new KB parts, it feels like they are actually much tighter than new OEM sticks. I have a lightly used controller (it had no dust at all inside when I opened the assembly) and it there is almost no resistance to pressing the stick, it just goes. By comparison, kitsch-bent molded pieces were stiffer in action. I bought new bowls and new gears, and put them into the really bad stick I fixed, and they took a while to smooth out, but after some hours of play (and just straight mario party spinning the crap out of it), the stick feels pretty good. I have not yet confirmed if, after this process, you need to again open and clean the stick. I'm waiting until I really like the feeling of it before I go and do that. I will say that although the grease I mentioned seems thick, that the stuff doesn't seem to impede the feel of a stick in any way when you use it, provided you use a thin amount. If you gob it on, then you will run into issues.

Either way, if you have any questions I'd be happy to help. It's actually been a long time since I played N64 with a new-feeling stick, and it has been a refreshing experience, so I'm happy to assist others in cleaning things up.

>> No.5729078

>>5715470
>I will not link
based

>> No.5729241

>>5715651
>The original Xbox controller is pretty fucking bad.
If they weren't so fragile they would be my favourite controller. No one else has ever made controllers for people with massive hands.

>> No.5729628

>>5729241
They're fragile? What part(s)? Mine seem fine.

>> No.5730743

>>5728903
Did you open a little bit the hole where the gears lock into the bowl?

>> No.5730748

>>5728889
>>5728903
People use silicone lubricant spray too.

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5731193

>>5715274
Steel sticks is the best but Im not sure if its reliably available still. Another decent option is wii classic OR gamecube controller to N64 adapter, both by raphnet, they are expensive, but they have perfect analog stick range and sensitivity, and you can remap buttons any way you want and save upto four presents. I also have tired the gamecube style one, but its too sensitive for shooters, for platformers its good enough but it does have its issues, but its cheap and better than non-working one.

>> No.5731424
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5731424

>>5715325
It's unique.

Switch sticks have been failing because they have a metal-on-graphite design in order to be thin.

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>>5731424

>> No.5731823

>>5731424
>>5731505

Nice model action

>>5730743
>>5730748
I didn't open that area up, no, but I did apply lubrication. I'm guessing it just ground itself down slightly through play. I'm going to do another cleanup later and verify, once I'm happy with how it feels. I may also start buying really shitty N64 controllers just to refine my technique.

>> No.5731860

Use Molykote 44 if you want a professional grease.

>> No.5731884

>>5731823
I believe it's recommened to do that by Kitsch-Bent themselves.

You need to it until the gears are spinning really fast.

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/6w1wio/pt_two_review_of_kitsch_bent_replacement/

"Through some troubleshooting, I found that this rough feeling was not present when I removed the bowl from the grey housing, and rotated the gears using my thumbs while holding the bowl midair. I contacted Matt from Kitsch Bent and he recommended that I widen the small hole where the black wheels snap into place in the bowl. (A picture will be provided in the Imgur link below)

The hole on the outer 'wing', yes. I typically use a drill bit, or a fine point exacto knife...whatever I've got handy at the time.

I did just that (on only one of the wings, as only one was problematic in my case) and after slowly widening the hole bit by bit, I eventually got it to rotate smooth in the housing! WOOHOO"

>> No.5733336
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5733336

Are there any controllers with a standard button configuration that can be plugged into a gamecube port? I want one to use with my Wii for emulated games but I don't like the idea of pro controllers plugging into the wiimote. Also I think using it for the gamecube game boy player would be nice. This seems like the most appropriate thread to ask this in.

>> No.5733767

>>5733336
check out raphnet adapters. they have a bunch of different kinds for gamecube.

https://www.raphnet-tech.com/

>> No.5733814

>>5715738
>https://steelsticks64.com/
For this price I got a brand new in Box N64 that wasn't touched since 2000 with 3-4 mint controllers. Fuck this shit lol

>> No.5733843

>>5733814
no you can't

>> No.5733846
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5733846

Kitsch Bent opinion:

9/10 feel, no need to sandpaper anything, stick material is much better than the original, price is very reasonable, and shipped fast to the Netherlands and came in within a week.

The light grey one needed some playtime (about an hour) before it stopped kind of sticking to the bottom left without snapping back, but now it feels perfect.

>> No.5734291

>>5733846
Let's see those test results..

>> No.5734385

>>5734291
Don't have the equipment.

>> No.5734758

>>5733814
Sure you can, buddy.

>> No.5736637

>>5733336
maybe there's a PSX to gamecube adapter, for using PSX pads. Then you can buy either one of the numerous PSX pads for that purpose, or you can buy some other adapter for controller to PSX, and it might probably work.

>>5731884
interesting, I may go and do just that then, thanks for the input

>> No.5737402

>>5715274
the gamecube one.

>> No.5737987

Is it worn gears or a worn bowl that causes play? I feel like the problem is mainly the bowl being worn away right?

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5738009

>>5734291
https://youtu.be/5M85bTsla7s?t=1256
Around 7 ponits down compared to the original.

Around 10% from the "85" perfection. Looks pretty good to me. And the guy said he didn't clean the sensor, maybe he didn't lube it or has widen the bowl hole to make the discs spin faster. (I didn't watch the complete video)

There's potention for 80+ precision for the sticks.

Looks great to me. Maybe not even pro smash players plays with controllers this precise.

>> No.5738012

>>5737987
bowl, stick and gears.