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5704163 No.5704163 [Reply] [Original]

Stone Tower Temple was the only good dungeon in this game.

>> No.5704164

Hating on N64 Zelda games is ild b8

>> No.5704171

>>5704164
I like Majora's Mask though, I just think the dungeons aren't that good.

>> No.5704184

Snowhead was good.

>> No.5704189

The dungeons are the weak point of MM anyway. Its strength & draw is in the vibrant, living world which is tied beautifully to the 3-day system.

>> No.5704194

>>5704189
And the side missions.

>> No.5704423
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5704423

I don't think stone tower is particularly good, great bay is the best. That mini boss with the bats is kino, though.

>> No.5704425

It's the most creative one and one of the most creative in the series overall, however, upon replaying it, I did find the whole "play song to turn into creepy statue" puzzles a bit tiring after a while. These statues are still freaking awesome though.
The swamp temple is really good, and I really liked the great bay temple as well.
Snowhead felt a bit overwhelming but it's also a nice dungeon.
MM had fewer dungeons than other games, but they're all rather big and complex.

>> No.5704587

Great Bay is very underrated in terms of design. But I can understand not liking stuff like swimming or ice arrow puzzles.

>> No.5704621

>>5704423
>great bay is the best
This. I didn't like it as a kid, but playing it again as an adult, I really found it to be an engaging dungeon without being overly frustrating.

>> No.5704648

>>5704621
>>5704587
I think that for most kids Great Bay Temple will be tough because short term memory and abstract thinking is ass. But as an adult you learn that the dungeon is fairly cleverly designed. From the second room it introduces the dungeon-wide mechanic of turning the wind-up key valves to begin water flow. The flow of the water is visible on the pipes throughout, so you can tell which direction everything is flowing or you can tell if you have yet to even bring water to a pipe. Knowing that, all you need to do from the central turbine room is simply follow the flow of water, and turn keys as you go before getting the ice arrows where you can then reverse the entire flow of the dungeon and continue from the main room into a new set of rooms and finally on to the boss.

The dungeon is nice because it has a unique puzzle mechanic that also affects how you play the entire dungeon. This aspect of design is really exclusive to a few of the n64 zelda temples. They're not just room-to-room gauntlets.

>> No.5704719

>>5704163
Yeah the dungeons are meh. I like the rest of the game tho and it's a personal favourite of mine.

>> No.5704721

>>5704163
It's decent and the rest of them are bad as is the rest of the game

Majora's Mask belongs in the trash
OoT is great though

>> No.5704836

>>5704721
Stuff said like this just reeks of naivete
Pls dont browse this site while you're still so young, anon

>> No.5704945

Not a fan of any of the temples in MM, but Stone Tower music is 10/10.

>> No.5705251

>>5704194
>side missions

babby tier shit that's over all too soon.

>> No.5705273

>>5704189
That explains why MM is the worst 3D Zelda game, then.

>muh immersion makes up for having garbage dungeons
Yeah, naw.

>> No.5705284

>>5704587
Swimming as Zora Link was one of my favorite parts on MM; so of course I loved Great Bay Temple.

>> No.5705340

>>5704648
>short term memory
>IMPROVING with age
What the fuck are you talking about? Maybe if you first played the game when you were 3. Your short term memory is at its best prior to adulthood and declines if anything the rest of your life.

>> No.5705356

>>5705340
Not him, but I have a much easier time now as a 33 year old than as a kid/teenager when it comes to dungeons and mazes, and certain temples made me a bit uneasy just because of the atmosphere, which added to me getting lost more often.
I think I was just too impatient when I was younger. Now as an adult I'm way less immersed in the game (which means, while I'm still able to appreciate the art direction and atmosphere, I'm not longer impressed by it to the point of making me feel uneasy), and am able to plan out things more accurately. I'm able to tell where developers put a clue so you can remember a certain path or figure a puzzle or whatever clearly now.
It's a bit like looking behind the curtain, as an adult you understand how the game was designed so it's easier for you to figure out what to do.
At least that's my experience so far.

>> No.5705423

>>5705273
See, that implies that Skyward Sword isn't the worst 3D Zelda, and if you truly believe that then you're confirmed for having shit taste.

>> No.5705556

>>5705356
I'm 32 and way worse at all aspects of video game playing now compared to when I was a kid.
But that aside I know for a fact your short term memory doesn't go from bad to good as you move into adulthood. Only time your short term memory is bad in younger years is when you're unlikely to have been playing video games at all e.g. 3 or 4 years old.

>> No.5705596

>>5705423
>>5705273
I can't imagine thinking Majora's Mask was worse than Wind Waker. Even ironically or for (you)s

>> No.5705643

>>5705596
I'm actually more fond of WW than MM, but I could also see how WW can turn some people off.

>> No.5705650

>>5705596
They're both equally bad in my opinion. If it makes you feel any better lots of people here consider Ocarina of Time a bad game and I think that's ridiculous, so you can't win no matter what your preferences are.

>> No.5705652

>>5705643
I get being "fond" of a game, but I can still tell when a game I love has really shitty design.

>> No.5705730

Snowhead > Great Bay > Stone Tower > Woodfall

>> No.5705753

>>5705730
You know, I kind of wish the temples were beefed up a little to compensate for the game being so short.
I guess that's why there was an escalation of the pre-dungeon areas. Like the pirate fortress and ikana castle.

>> No.5705756

>>5705753
And it's probably the same reason that temples in mm had two mini-bosses

>> No.5705796

>>5705753
I noticed this as well, the game has more "not really dungeons but still sorta dungeons" than other zelda games.
The skulltula houses are also kinda like that.
The only similar thing I remember in OOT was the gerudo training grounds.

>> No.5705872

>>5705730
Stone Tower > Snow Head > Great Bay > Woodfall

>> No.5705874
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5705874

>>5705730
>>5705872
Great Bay > Woodfall > Stone Tower > Snowhead

>> No.5705885

>>5705796
Oot had a few mini-dungeons. With the well, ice cavern, gerudo fortress and training grounds and arguably ganon's tower

>> No.5705891

>>5704163
True, and yet it is still the best 3D Zelda.

>>5704721
Dilate, namefag.

>> No.5705906

>>5705891
Second for me after Wind Waker

>> No.5705926

>>5705874
How can anyone like Woodfall.

>deku link is the lamest transformation to play with
>temple music isnt good
>shortest temple
I guess the only good thing is Odowas design, but he basically dies in 3 hits, making the fight frustratingly fast.

>> No.5706674

>>5705926
It's comfy.

>> No.5706909

>>5705926
>not liking the african singing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpp7U-f5JD8

>> No.5707000

>>5704184
but the worst dungeon music. The water dungeon and woodfall have the best music

>> No.5708027

Currently playing the game.
The game is annoying. Why did they implement such an annoying save system?
The save system in OoT was perfect, now I have the feeling I have to speedrun the dungeons instead of taking my time and enjoying them fully.
Or am I missing something here?
Granted I'm still at the beginning but this is my opinion so far.

>> No.5708035

>>5708027
Pro tip: use the reversed song of time.
The time limit is still a factor, but the game saves the key items, so you don't really have to do everything again. Once you learn the reverse and double song of time, it really feels like you're in total controls of the game's time and even use it to your advantage.
Dungeons can surely be beaten in a 3 day cycle with the slowed down time unless you suck too much.
However, catching all 15 stray fairies can still be a challenge, but it's not really mandatory to get all fairies, you can come back to the dungeons later exclusively to hunt for fairies (and remember to use the fairy's mask to help you on that).

>> No.5708039

>>5708027
Yeah I complained about that before I got the game but in reality it's not a big deal. You're constantly creating shortcuts throughout the dungeon and once you get the dungeon item it's a straightforward line to the boss

>> No.5708079

>>5708035
Oh yeah, the reverse song time is a thing, I've completely forgotten about that, it's what I get for taking long breaks from it.
Thanks for reminding me, I feel like a dumbass now.
>catching all 15 stray fairies can still be a challenge
I hope there's a reward to match if I go through that chore.
>>5708039
Well considering I completely forgot about the slowdown I assume the dungeons shouldn't feel so stressful anymore.

But yeah I'd kinda preferred it if the time stopped once I'm in a dungeon.

>> No.5708093

>>5704163
>Stone Tower Temple was the only good dungeon in this game.
Yeah, the dungeon selection sucked, only four of them and only one good one. But what do you expect from a game that was basically a quick rehash of its predecessor. The time based element worked well and made it actually a decent game, but overall it's a pale imitation of what came before, and started the trend of WW, TP, SS and even BoTW, to some degree, all being fundementally rehashes of OoT.

>> No.5708095
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>>5708079
>I hope there's a reward to match if I go through that chore.
The rewards are either magic upgrades, or items like the fairy sword - not really necessary at all to complete the game, but still neat rewards.
Don't try to go for the 15 fairies the first time you do a temple, leave that for later in case you want to 100% it.

>> No.5708112

>>5708095
Yeah, I'll do just that.
>webm
That's a neat trick, lol.

>> No.5708121

how bad is the 3ds remake, i liked oot 3d

>> No.5708124

Majora is gay tho.

>> No.5710172

>>5708121
Its a bit easier in terms of time skipping and you have a book where you exactly see notes when you met someone and what happens when it happens etc.
Graphic is like oot. I enjoyed both.

>> No.5710184

>>5708124
xd

>> No.5710204

>>5708124
Isn't Majora female

>> No.5710698

>>5708121
It is literally unplayable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653wuaP0wzs

>> No.5710746

>>5704163
Link's Awakening is the best Zelda.