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>The new model is built around a Broadcom BCM2711 SoC, which, with four 1.5GHz Cortex A72 CPU cores, should be a big upgrade over the quad core Cortex A53 CPU in the Raspberry Pi 3. The RAM options are the even bigger upgrade though, with options for 1GB, 2GB, and even 4GB of DDR4. The Pi 3 was limited to 1GB of RAM, which really stung for desktop-class use cases.

will emulation be better now on this thing or is it more of a software problem?

>> No.5686174

How much is the 4GB version gonna be?

>> No.5686175

>>5686174
$55

>> No.5686178

The pi3 will probably be dirt cheap soon so I might finally pick one up

>> No.5686181

Will it support gamecube ,PSP and ps2 now

>> No.5686182

>>5686181
Idiot.

>> No.5686190

>>5686181
Not retro! REEE REEE REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.5686196

>>5686175
Damn, might pick one up and use it as a PC.

>> No.5686232

You could just pick up a cheap PC and use it as a PC

>> No.5686312

>>5686232
The pi is a Personal Computer, mouth breather.

>> No.5686347

>>5686312
Nuh uh! Apple told me only windows are computers. Everything else is a magic plastic box.

>> No.5686361

USB-C power port
2 micro HDMI ports
H.265 decode for 4K60p, H.264 1080p60 decode and 1080p30 encode, OpenGL ES 3.0 graphics
4 USB ports as before but 2 of them stay as 2.0 and the other 2 get bumped up to 3.0

>> No.5686368

>>5686361
Interesting they kept the HDMI ports with no DisplayPorts. Most video card manufacturers are starting to move away from HDMI because of the licensing fee to use it.

>> No.5686371

Wow! Now it's only going to be 15 years behind using a regular computer for emulation!

>> No.5686446

EPIC

NOW I HAVE A NEW WAY TO EMULATE VIDEO GAMES WITH HIGH LATENCY AND LOW PRECISION

BASED

>> No.5686459

>>5686167
I'll stick with my Wii, thanks. Normies don't cringe at it when they come over, sometimes girls are actually impressed and laugh and have a good time when I show them how it works. I think they simply enjoy using a product from a brand they've heard of (Nintendo) rather than trying to figure out some weird fancy Linux thing. Plus I don't have time to learn how that works.

>> No.5686470
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5686470

>>5686167
MiSTer
>Altera Cyclone V SE FPGA with 110,000LE (41,500ALM) and 5,570Kbit of Block RAM.
>ARM Cortex A9 dual-core CPU at 800MHz.
>HDMI video and audio allowing connect to any modern monitor/TV.
>DDR3 1GB available for both ARM and FPGA.
>High speed ARM<->FPGA interconnect due to both are in the same chip.
>Linux on ARM provides support for many I/O devices and file systems.
>Board is mass-produced by a large manufacturer and freely available for a relatively cheap price 130USD (99USD for students/professors).

>> No.5686473

>>5686470
This is the correct response, but the virgins on this board can't afford it and will probably give you abuse for suggesting it

>> No.5686474

>>5686368
Since fucking when. Anything worth buying has had HDMI and DisplayPort since forever.

>> No.5686486

>>5686459
Hacked wii on a CRT is perfect for 8 and 16 bit emulation.

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>>5686473
Nope, just the reminder that if you buy more powerful aio boards with no community support or development then your experience with the product will probably be terrible.

>> No.5686537

>>5686474
Since the last year basically. Many cards are shipping with 3 display ports and 1 HDMI over 2 each. Some commercial cards don't have any HDMI ports at all.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133767
https://www.newegg.com/p/2VV-000K-000T1
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814105087

All high end expensive workstation cards with no HDMI.

>> No.5686556

>>5686486
Couldn't agree more. I'd consider a used Wii to be the cheapest and most straightforward way to get into /vr/ games. And if I was going to buy a machine just for /vr/, it would be:
>>5686470

>> No.5686571

>>5686537
Wtf are you talking about? Dual HDMI ports was never a thing. I don't know if pro cards ever had HDMI but it would make sense if they didn't.

>> No.5686582

>>5686470
Sounds great. What is the performance of Pc engine on that thing.

>> No.5686590
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5686590

>>5686571
> Dual HDMI ports was never a thing
In what world do you think thats true? In this very thread we're talking about a product with 2 HDMI ports. Are you perhaps speaking in your non-native language?

>> No.5686618

>>5686361
Good to see they're moving to USB-C, likely to get around the power limitations of Micro USB, you can go beyond 2.5v on USB-C.

>> No.5686671

>>5686590
>In this very thread we're talking about a product with 2 HDMI ports
You're talking about a plaything. And God, I'm so sorry, apparently dual HDMI became a thing with the 10xx series of Nvidia cards and the equivalent of AMD cards. I actually own a card with that. Wooow. And here you are trying to claim it's now going out of style. Jesus Christ. Good job, retard.
However many display ports including mini display ports and a single HDMI port was the norm before. Those though. Simple fact.

>> No.5686686

>I'm so sorry
No problem pal, we all make mistakes, good on you for owning up to it.

>> No.5686690

>>5686167
I'm interested in this on the condition that the RetroTINK Ultimate will support it (probably) and it's powerful enough to run a decent PSX or Saturn emulator (probably not.) I mean, it would be nice if it could run Beetle PSX at full speed, but I'd be surprised.

It's also kind of neat that it fixes the biggest mistake of the RasPi 1-3, which was connecting the network adapter to the USB bus, though that doesn't matter either way for retro emulation. Official support for Mesa/DRM is great too and I guess it's nice that they've modernised it by adding USB 3.0 ports and Type-C power. I can't think of a use for dual HDMI except maybe for cheap digital signage, and H.265 support would have been nice if H.265 wasn't dead in the water.

>> No.5686701

>>5686686
So you concede to everything else. Gotcha. It wasn't a thing until last gen. And it's still a thing. So your point is fucking invalid. Go zoom elsewhere, kiddo.

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>>5686671
> apparently dual HDMI became a thing with the 10xx series of Nvidia cards and the equivalent of AMD cards.

This card came out 6 years ago.

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-750-gv-n750oc-1gi/p/N82E16814125503

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#H=2&sort=chipset&page=1

Have a huge list of old cards with 2 HDMI ports

>> No.5686723

>>5686473
It's top tier. All the cores are implemented on the FBGA, so it's like having your game run on an ASIC. Super low latency.

>> No.5686724

>>5686717
>Look mom! Look how good I am at cherrypicking xD
Ebin. It wasn't a thing. Get over it. Your hypothesis is done for.

>> No.5686778

>>5686717
He's clearly right, though. Dual HDMI ports "was" never a thing.
Even when they did actually exist and were being used for consumer devices, they "was" never a thing. Move on pal!!

>> No.5686812

>>5686167
Will still be shit. Emulation doesn't benefit much from more cores and memory. That's why and orange 2 will outperform a memeberry 3 when it comes to emulation.

>> No.5686979

>>5686167
Not expecting huge leaps of progress here, but maybe N64 will run better now since it was already somewhat decent with overclocking on the Pi3.

I'm also curious if we'll see any improvements in run-ahead performance. Last time I tried on the Pi3, you could safely go up to 2 or 3 frames on NES and Genesis, 1 on SNES (if anything) and nothing on GBA or PSX because everything would slow down considerably the moment you activated the function.

>> No.5686987

>>5686812
>Emulation doesn't benefit much from more cores
And this is the important thing for anyone looking to use a new pi for emulation. A faster and stronger single core is more capable of emulation in just about any instance you can think of. Once pi's start having clockspeeds over 3ghz, then they might be viable for emulation beyond 4th gen.

>> No.5687028

>>5686181

A Dolphin dev ordered one to see if they can get it working

>> No.5687054

>>5686181
look at this fucking moron

>> No.5687189

>>5686371
Honestly, this. I like the Pi, but again, getting it specifically for emulation is just retarded.

>>5686529
I keep seeing this. It's hilarious. Hardware manufacturers cobble some shit together, it's better than the Pi... and then there's no support. The official OS image is absolute garbage, third-party images don't support certain things on the hardware, etc.

>>5686459
>Normies don't cringe at it when they come over
>I think they simply enjoy using a product from a brand they've heard of (Nintendo) rather than trying to figure out some weird fancy Linux thing.
I'm pretty sure no one has ever visited you, loser.

>>5686723
These would be great if the cores were actually good, but I guess that's mostly because people have put in more time and effort into software solutions rather than FPGA ones.

>>5686361
I'm really annoyed about micro-HDMI. More fucking adapters.

>>5686812
Same 4 cores, faster CPU, optional more memory.

>> No.5687349

>>5687189
I disagree, the odroids are actually pretty solid, and there is support in the forums from users and the company. The XU4 is also supported by recalbox, lakka, a separately maintained retropie fork, and the odroid specific Game Station Turbo which has been worked on since 2013. It also outperforms every Pi when it comes to emulation.

Sorry to link the same person, but the videos show evidence without the faggot talking over the audio with a facecam or other stupidity.
PS1 games running at full speed on XU4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Vfy9yoAUk
N64 games running better than on a pi B3+:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa5vzo6Lq8I
Sega Saturn games actually running period on XU4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj1J6zLLqHw
Dreamcast games working at full or nearly full speed on XU4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ZczjmSzHk

"Only the memeberry Pi has support and community" is a meme from 2010, stop repeating shit without doing your research.

>> No.5687387

>>5686987
They emulate ps1 just fine you fuckin idiot

>> No.5687405

>>5687189
I already have a micro HDMI adapter, it came with the mini HDMI adapter I needed for a Pi Zero W.
It's still bs. They should've at least made one of the HDMI ports a standard one, but I'm thinking they likely switched to micro this due to space requirements. Still has the AV out through the phono jack as well as a DSI ribbon connector too. that's quite a few connection options. Adapters are cheap, but with plugs that small going into HDMI devices, strain relief may be warranted in some cases to prevent possibly breaking them.
One good thing, micro HDMI opens it up to using physically smaller cables to connect displays now, which is actually a good thing.

>> No.5687425

>>5686470
At that price, I'd rather get a Lattepanda, that way I could run Pinball tables too. Once MiSTer matures a bit, it'll be an excellent option (and not just for gaming) but It's still so new it doesn't have as much support as I'd like. It's also not a single-board solution for emulation currently; you left that bit out. FPGA is great though, so much potential!

>> No.5687634

>>5687189
> optional more memory
Also better, faster memory, Pi3b+ had 1GB LPDDR2 SDRAM, Pi4b has LPDDR4 SDRAM (whether it's 1, 2 or 4 GB),
More prefetch, 4x the transfer rate.

>> No.5687649

>>5687387
>everything beyond 4th gen is ps1
>you fucking idiot
Fucking idiot indeed

>> No.5687731

>>5686167
Interested to see how well it'll do as a handheld. If we can get handheld N64 at full speed I'll be happy.

>> No.5687769

>>5686470
Hit me up when it can do Neo Geo,Capcom CPS, Konami arcade boards etc

>> No.5687812

>>5687649
they already do 5th gen just fine you dont need 3ghz to play ps1 games faggot

>> No.5687827

>>5686182
>>5686190
>>5687054


Lol. Why the fucking hatred?

>> No.5687836

>>5686474
enjoy your 60fps cap, faggit. HDMI is last millenium trash. and that's where the ASSberry Pee 4 belongs to.

>> No.5687841

>>5687836
>being this retarded
Yikes AND cringe.

>> No.5687847

>>5687827
dolphin doesn't even run that great on something like the shield, i'm not sure why anyone would expect it to run decently on the upgraded pi. psp emulation might be decent though.

>> No.5687963

>>5686618
You mean 2.5 amps, right?

>> No.5688049

>>5687963
Yes, thanks for correcting my typo. my bad.

>> No.5688076

>>5687731
That's very likely. Also should improve Saturn, PS1 and Dreamcast by a high degree. The reason is because RPi4b supports GLES 3.0, prior RPi 3 boards only support GLES 2.0, which is the main reason the emulation suffers on those; GLES 2.0 was a bottleneck. Switching to 3.0 will allow for emulators that have, until RPi 4b, been unable to run on a Pi.
It will still be a while. a working build of Retropie/ES will need to be made for the new board, which will likely take 2 or 3 weeks after release, and a new release of retropie/es incorporating new emulators to take advantage of the hardware improvements may take even longer.

>> No.5688275

>>5687349
>XU4
The A72 in the Pi 4 is significantly faster than the A15 in the XU4

>> No.5688295

>>5686181
PSP, yes. That's been running on phones with PPSSPP for a few years now.

The other two, probably not until they can get the single core performance above 2GHz.

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5688320

Oh cool my local Microcenter has a Raspberry Pi section

>> No.5688565

FUCK YES FINALLY!!!!

>> No.5688747

I thought PS1 could already run flawlessly on the pi 3? Would getting the 4 GB version make any difference if I want to run N64 games?

Comments here make it seem like the extra ram won't help

>> No.5688761

>>5687847
The problem isn't the device as much as it is the software. When the software gets a bit better then we can rule out weak hardware.

>>5686167
>>5686167
Just a reminder to everyone there are other similarly priced devices about as big as a pi that could handle emulation far better than the versions that keep getting brought up.

>> No.5688763

>>5688747
The N64 will be massively improved on the pi 4. New, more powerful GPU with GLES 3 support is the game changer here. Dreamcast and N64 should run full speed, a few weeks after release when people have a chance to recompile things and such.

>> No.5688798

>>5686178
The previous gen Pis all sell at the same 35 dollar price point, unless someone sells theirs second hand

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>>5686361
>>5686175
All this power at the reach of the average person and yet all we do with it is to recycle memes and watch shitty anime.

The Pi is the kind of shit our ancestors dreamed about, fuck this generation, fuck fortnite, fuck Apple and fuck Zuckerberg.

>> No.5688867

>>5688828
Pis are just a modern version of the pre-IBM clone era of home computers. It's affordable hobbyist shit. You want to blow minds, you show someone from as little as 20 years ago a modern smartphone.

>> No.5688870

>>5688867
Were those open source, or are you a completely full of shit boomer retard?

>> No.5688934

Fuck RetroPi
Lakka all the way baby

http://www.lakka.tv/

>> No.5688939

>>5688870
Computers of that era were basically open source by their nature. Purpose-built/homegrown hacks and mods were commonplace as was software that people created, shared and modified as needed. I also wasn't implying it was a bad thing. I could have said stuff instead of shit. What I mean is that Pis would probably be seen as an extension or evolution of the computer designs they were already used to and it wouldn't be seen as particularly novel compared to a palm-sized device that performs tasks that used to take up an entire room full of discreet devices and also connects to a worldwide instant communication network and data repository of cat memes and scat porn. Dunno why you're being an asshole about it

>> No.5688941

>>5688934
I dunno why people give a shit about RetroPi's bloated garbage when lakka is right there being streamlined as fuck

>> No.5688947

>>5688941
>>5688934
Guests appreciate a nice GUI with preview videos, box art and descriptions when you hover over the game name

>> No.5688954

>>5688947
That bullshit just takes up space that can be used for more fucking games. That said I think lakka has support for most of that now anyway

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5688960

>a nice GUI with preview videos and box art when you hover over the game name

>> No.5688983

>>5688828
>we
Yep. "we" is retarded.

>> No.5688990

will retropie and lakka ship now a proper PSX emulator instead of reanimated corpse of pcsx

>> No.5689096

>>5688960
I guess you proved my point retard. Where's the preview video or game description?

>> No.5689105

>>5686717
cringy picture honestly

>> No.5689218

>>5686470
I have one, I fucking love it. I lurk on /vr/ from time to time and this is the first time I've seen it mentioned. I have it driving my PVM and it is glorious, can't wait for PC Engine CD and Neo Geo to mature.

>> No.5689219

>>5688990
Never. Android devices are so much better for PSX than memeberries, you have a choice of at least three emus.

>> No.5689225

>>5687769
That's all pretty imminent but it already does:
Astrocade
Atari 2600
Atari 5200
ColecoVision, SG-1000
Gameboy, Gameboy Color
Genesis/Megadrive
Master System, GameGear
NES
Odyssey2
SNES
TurboGrafx 16 / PC Engine
Vectrex
Acorn Archimedes
Altair 8800
Amiga
Amstrad CPC 6128
486
Apogee
Apple II+
Apple Macintosh Plus
Aquarius
Atari 800XL
BBC Micro B,Master
BK0011M
Commodore 16, Plus/4
Commodore 64, Ultimax
Commodore PET
Commodore VIC-20
DEC PDP-1
Jupiter Ace
MSX
MultiComp
Orao
SAM Coupe
Sharp MZ Series
Sinclair QL
Specialist/MX
TI-99/4A
TSConf
Vector 06C
X68000
ZX Spectrum
ZX81

Plus a whole bunch of arcade cores.

>> No.5689254

>>5686529
I think you actually need to research what this is before you jump to conclusions.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki

>> No.5689474

>>5686167
>true gigabit ethernet without sharing shit with the usb bus and an option for moar ram
About fucking time.

>> No.5689524

>>5688275
Then why does the XU4 outperform the memeberry3b+(which is only slightly weaker than the 4) on all 5th gen emulators? It's almost like you need to understand what the numbers mean to actually make a comparison.

>> No.5689547

Why do people keep insisting on emulating on devices that are inherently terrible for emulation?

inb4 b-b-but I can't tell the difference because I never played the real hardware in the first place

>> No.5689568

>>5689547
Mental retardation. It's a common theme in "retro gaming".

>> No.5689571

>>5688761
Like what?

I don't have the means for a great gaming emulation PC at the moment. I like that I can take Pi from my house to somewhere else. What do you recommend?

>> No.5689891

>>5689524
600MHz faster clock speed on the XU4 compared to Pi3B+ when the latter is not throttling, along with 4 extra cores. Pi4 is around twice as fast as the old model actually, the CPU can process more instructions per clock and supports out-of-order execution.

>> No.5689893

>>5688763
Yup, the much faster FPU will also help here, particularly if versions are made to specifically support the NEON instructions. I recon Dreamcast stuff may aslo become fairly playable... maybe.

>> No.5689906

>>5687189
at least it's not mini-HDMI like on the Pi Zero, that connector is rare af

>> No.5690107

>>5688941
Lakka is nice but it also has less game ports than RetroPie. RetroPie is simply supported better and gets stuff like zdoom, openbor, streets of rage remake and more.

>> No.5690696

>>5690107
I'll give you openBoR and SORR, but I personally don't care about the FPS engines

>> No.5691740

>>5688295
My my phone can run gamecube games at slow speeds

>> No.5691786

>>5689225
That's pretty cool, if expensive. I would be curious though if it's a hassle to switch which system the fpga is running on the fly.

>> No.5691794

>>5689524
The pi4 is the biggest leap in performance there's ever been between two models, if the benchmarking I've seen is to be believed.

>> No.5692396

>>5689547
>devices that are inherently terrible for emulation?
What's a cheap device that's good for emulation?

>> No.5692414

>>5692396
Depends on what you want to emulate and how well you want to emulate it. If you want to go very cheap without buying some chink bootleg machine N3DS and PSVita are decent but emulate different things.
3DS has native fullspeed emulators for SNES and GBA via rom injecting into the official eshop ports but struggles with anything more than that.
Vita is similar in that it has native emulation support for PSP and PS1, but struggles a bit with Nintendo roms unless you overclock. Vita does handle Arcade and old PC homebrew ports much better than 3DS though.

>> No.5692435

>>5688954
Nothing forces you to use boxart, video snaps or any of the other garbage in a retropie install, go with the basic theme and leave all the media out. problem solved.

>> No.5692441

OP, this shit thread makes me think that you're the tranny janny