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Is Ocarina of Time an over rated game?

>> No.5672905

Uh, not at all. It's one of the most important games ever made.

>> No.5672918

>>5672895
based image

>> No.5672924

Reminder that Zelda is NOT AN ARPG, and has nothing in common with them.

>> No.5672927

If it wasn't summer I'd think this thread and posts were generated by some kind of AI shitpost bot.

>> No.5672949

Not at the time of release.
Some of the blind, unyielding reverence it gets in contemporary reviews and rankings is a bit silly though.

>> No.5672980

That background is from the new pokemon game isnt it

>> No.5672985
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>>5672980

Nah, it's Ocarina.

>> No.5672991

>>5672905
But is it good?

>> No.5673051

>>5672991
It's better than Mario 64 but not as good as Crash Bandicoot 2, which was the actual most important game of the 90s.

>> No.5673064

>>5673051
I know you're meming but it's true that OoT was pretty insignificant on the industry.

Resident Evil, Final Fantasy VII, Tekken, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid all these games had an actual effect on the industry. OoT just game, got well reviewed, and went. Same for BotW actually.

>> No.5673071

>>5673051
Crash is just a hugo ripoff

>> No.5673078

>>5673064
>Anyone who makes 3-D games who says they’ve not borrowed something from Mario or Zelda is lying — from the games on Nintendo 64, not necessarily the ones from today.
-Dan Houser, cofounder of Rockstar

>> No.5673101

>>5672895
no

>> No.5673118

>>5673064
That Sonynigger cope

>> No.5673235

>>5672895
THAT TREE...

KEK he even HAS a

S W O R D
A N D
S H I E L D

>> No.5673295

>>5672895
fuck you anon, I unironically thought it was a new zelda mod or something

>> No.5673298

>>5672895
It's a zelda game

>> No.5673328

>>5672895
No, because it was only rated 10/10, but it actually exceeded every possible metric for videogames at the time of its release.

>> No.5673338

Absolutely

>> No.5673347

>>5672985
No, that image on the right is from Zelda: BotW.

>> No.5673397

>>5672924
I know, it's an RPG

>> No.5673398

>>5672895
Yes.

>> No.5673401

>>5672895
This is obviously photoshopped, everyone knows the Nintendo version only had appkes, while the chad sega version had the sword.

>> No.5673443

>>5672895
The second most

>> No.5673449

>>5673078
What does Gta borrow? What do sports game borrow?

>> No.5673451

>>5673078
Name 5 PS2 games that were directly influenced by OoT. For that matter, name 2 Dreamcast games, or even 1 nintendo game of any gen that isn't a zelda itself.

Meanwhile, Alone in the dark influenced dozens of PS1 games, at least a dozen PS2 games and the influence is still felt today.

Games like the Resident Evil series, the Silent Hill series, TRAG, Martian Gothic, the Fatal Frame series, haunting ground, kuon, fear effect, galerians, parasite eve, even resident evil 7 and REmake 2, literally every survival horror game made in 25 years, including technically starting the genre.

OoT took a bunch of existing ideas and put them together. Invented nothing and became irrevelant within a few months of release. Only nintendo fags, who play far fewer games than other fanbooy types, stress any "importance".

Tecnhicallu, OoT owes a lot tonother games. It owes Megaman Legends, Dragonquest 3, and Mario 64 just to name a few. These are more important and more influential games at the end of the day.

>> No.5673459

>>5673451
Survival horror wasn't even relevant in 6th gen, let alone now.

>> No.5673472

>>5673328
Yeah, that's why I found so many other games so much more fun that year, yet found OoT boring and derivitive. I quit out of boredom 3 hours into OoT.

Yet games of all other genres, and on multiple platforms from that year and earlier had me riveted.

The problem is that OoT represents the earliest example of a modern game. So younger people play it and think it's just better than everything else from baxk then. Because it's closer to what they know.

So arguably, any retro gamer who gushes over OoT is a contrarian faggot.

>> No.5673478

>>5672985
>>5672895
holy fucking shit that's really from pokemon? ahahhaa
i'd ignored the whole controversy but now it makes sense holy fuck that's amazing

>> No.5673485

>>5673459
Lol. Sure thing, kid.

>> No.5673489

>>5672895
it's a masterpiece and it's still great to play today

>> No.5673495

>>5673459
Ok, so let's say that's true. In my post I gave examples of lots of games that were influenced by a single game. Up to and including modern, popular games.
IMO, OoT was a lot less influential than that, because aside from other Zeldas, I can't personally think of any games that actually rip off OoT in any way.

So by the terms I set forth, AitD is more influential than OoT. And according to you, AitD's entire genre is irrevelant.
So (stay with me, kiddo) put these ideas together and: OoT was so irrevelant, that even a nothing genre like survival horror had more influence on gaming over the past 2 and a half decades.

Prove me wrong. With examples, instead of just being a flippant fucktard.

>> No.5673496

>>5673459
Yeah, tell that to Silent Hill fanboys.

>> No.5673497

>>5673495
one that springs to mind is Mystical Ninja on the N64, i always thought it seemed like a fusion of SM64 and OOT

>> No.5673590

I thought it was from Ocarina. Anyway I don't care too much about graphics when the game is good. But Pokemon being good ....

>> No.5673595

It's been called overrated so much by contrarians that the new contrarian move is to now say it's not overrated. It keeps swinging like a pendulum like this. The honest truth is, no matter where contrarians stand on the issue, the game just simply isn't that great and does lots of things poorly that its predecessors did very well.

>> No.5673620

>>5672895
Ocarina of Time is simultaneously overrated and underrated. It seems to be very polarizing these days and everyone's opinion goes to the extremes. It's a quality, fun, but flawed and dated game. But everyone either says it's the absolute best game ever or that it's terrible and unplayable. No one can ever be reasonable when discussing this game.

>> No.5673625

>>5673497

Mystical Ninja came out before OoT.

>> No.5673631

>>5673497
Oh, WOW. One freaking game. Great job OoT!

>> No.5673634

>>5673625
Burn

>> No.5673637

>>5672895
The game is very much overrated. Important, but overrated. It hasnt aged too well and most people who like it have mad nostalgia for it. Half life is in a similar vein, where its not the godly perfect game people say it is. And thats coming from someone who grew up playing the halflife games.

>> No.5673648

>>5673620
>No anon on /vr/ can ever be reasonable when discussing this game
Fixed that for you. Unless you take a look at a few e-celebs and people who parrot them you barely see enough opinions about Ocarina of Time, whether it being one of the best or one of the most 'overrated' games.
It doesn't help that vocal minorities are even louder on this board than elsewhere because of reasons that have nothing to do with retro games.

As for myself, I don't love it as much as I did 20 years ago and I wouldn't call it one of the best games ever or even my favorite N64 or Zelda game -I'd take Zelda 2 or Blast Corps over it anyday of the week- but I still like to play it occasionally and I feel that its presentation still holds up despite it feeling more dated because of the low framerate, the combat that could've been fleshed out just a little more and its cutscenes being such a slog that it's actually even worse than a lot of later games or even FMV games like 7th Guest or Myst. The way the sub areas are set up and the compositions from Kondo are reason enough that I'd recommend newcomers to at least try it out for a while. That being said, I never bothered to complete the game for 100% because by the time I get to the shadow temple or the sun temple I just want to get it over with and move on with a different game and it's not like you get any useful rewards to find the skulltullas or anything.

>> No.5673652

It's a decent game, not amazing, not shit. While it did not invent certain mechanics, like locking on to targets, I think it did inspire at least third party 3D action based RPGs and made them simpler. Early titles in that category had awful combat mechanics.

>> No.5673659

>>5673625
hoo boy, i guess it was just zelda influenced then
or konami 'borrowed' ideas from what they saw of OOT at spaceworld etc

>> No.5673669

>>5673652
Sure, but name 5 games since then, that aren't zeldas themselves, that clearly drew inspiration from OoT. And be careful not to name games that predate OoT.

The point I'm trying to make here is that OoT is popular, and that's all. It's not super influential, or "important". It's popular, and well liked and why can't that be enough for fanboys?
Why does it have to be the best thing ever that literally invented every single gameplay mechanic ever that's also super important and better than everything sony ever did combined?
It's just a well liked game that a lot of people find fun. Get the fuck over it.

>> No.5673676

>>5673669
I'd be generally surprised if Piranha Bytes or CD Projekt RED games didn't take some inspiration. Or the Fable series, for instance.

However I don't know why you have problems reading my post, I just said it didn't invent stuff and it was an ok game, not the best thing ever. That reaction makes it look like you're the one that needs to get the fuck over it, my man.

>> No.5673726

>>5672895
The appeal of oot is it's hauntology; its lost futures in other words. All the leftovers of cut content in the game create an atmosphere of mystery. The power of people's imaginations feed into the vitality of the game. There's just enough evidence left in the game to inspire curiosity.

>> No.5673757 [DELETED] 

>>5673472
>So arguably, any retro gamer who gushes over OoT is a contrarian faggot.
the irony.

>> No.5673769 [DELETED] 

>westcucks thinking alone of the dark is relevant
lmao dead series

>> No.5673779 [DELETED] 

>>5673637
shit taste

>> No.5674026

>>5673485
You probably think the last of us is survival horror

>> No.5674045

>>5672949
Eh? Ocarina of Time was worshiped even at the time of release, if I remember right (I was 11 in 1998). It was the first title to ever get a 10.0 from Gamespot, and got Nintendo Power's highest score ever.

>> No.5674110

>>5674045
>Nintendo Power's highest score ever
Nintendo Power actually gave it a 9.5/10, which is surprising considering everyone else gave it a 10/10. If NP gave it a 10/10, the Metacritic score would be a 100.

>> No.5674209

>>5672895
Definitely.
But it's still very good.

>> No.5674227

>>5672895
It is but that doesn't mean it's not a good game. I played it on the 3DS for the first time a few months ago and I had a blast.

>> No.5674283

>>5673459
>Silent Hill 2-4
>Resident Evil 1 remake
>Resident Evil 4
u fuckin wot

>> No.5674297

>>5674110
Nintendo Power had surprisingly honest reviews of first party titles.

>> No.5674356

>>5673451
only 4chan /v/irgins play horror games

>> No.5674457

>>5672985
state of switch owners

>> No.5674478

>>5674283
RE4 is not a survival horror game. It's an action game with a somewhat horror-ish theme

>> No.5674498

>>5672985
Man, that BotW screenshot looks like shit.

Can't wait til we have Switch emulators running at 65536p or whatever so BotW will actually look as nice as it should have.

>> No.5674530

>>5674356
Again, this is a non-argument. You still can't refute that AitD was more influential than OoT was.

>> No.5674531

>>5674478
It says "the best survival horror game ever made" right on the box. Check and mate.

>> No.5674580

all 3D Zelda are overrared, it has to be in 2D
the best are A link’s awakening and 3.
ocarina sucks
majora sucks
botw is SHIT

>> No.5674715

>>5672895
Just played it this week for the second time. First time I thought it sucked balls. Now I think it's pretty good. Guess I just wasn't ready for it the first time. But it is definitely overrated. Huge ass empty Hyrule Field, for what purpose? At least put some enemies in it.

>> No.5674751

>>5673726
What the fuck are you talking about?
Anyways, I always felt OoT caused such a big impact because of how well they transported the Zelda elements and mechanics to 3D, and not necessarily because they brought many groundbreaking innovations.
It was an impressive game for the time, but it was quickly surpassed by many others in the genre, including its successor, Majoras Mask, which improved 3D Zelda on every aspect.

>> No.5674990
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5674990

Overrated or not its like trying to dethrone Jordan from GOAT status, won't happen.

>> No.5675048

>>5673451
Beyond Good and Evil, Okami, Dark Cloud 1&2, Pitfall: The Lost Expedition, Ico & Shadow of the Colossus, Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy, all of these owe lots to the cinematic 3D action gameplay of Ocarina. But even the 3D GTA games aren't too dissimilar, playing the role of Tommy Vercetti in Vice City is not that different from playing the role of Link in Hyrule.

Ocarina itself owes a lot to the Mario 64 engine it was built with, but so much more care was put into the story and atmosphere, how well a player can sync with Hyrule and imagine themselves living in the games settings, interacting with other characters and playing not just for fun but to advance the game's plot and see what happens next in the story.

I agree Megaman Legends is absolutely underrated and deserves way more recognition.

>> No.5675049

>>5672895
Yes, in the sense that it's not even a top 3 Zelda game.

>>5672905
No one's denying the influence of Z-targeting.

>> No.5675058

>>5674715
>At least put some enemies in it.
Ha, wait until night and they won't leave you alone! If you wander around you'll also run into peahats which have a couple different ways to attack you

>> No.5675089

>>5672895
Yes, most of the 3d zelda games are.

>> No.5675193

>>5674715
Fields are empty by definition. Plus, running through a semi realistic field was amazing in '98.

>> No.5675241

>>5672924
I know, its an action/adventure game.

>> No.5675356

nope

>> No.5675368

>>5675241
And that's what makes is playable.

>> No.5675842

>>5674531
I wish the box would say "jump over this bridge"

>> No.5675848

>>5674531
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_horror

No it's not

>> No.5676654

>>5674478
people consider RE4 a survival horror?

>> No.5676661

>>5672895
no
>>5672991
yes

>> No.5676673

>>5673637
>It hasnt aged too well

based on what fucking criteria? it aged very well. you don't even need to play the revamped version. sure, a lot of time has passed in terms pushing the limits of graphics, virtual realism and textures but you can still play the original fine and not think it's "overrated". In fact, all the faggot shit that came after OoT is overrated because later entries simply lack content and are a handholding shitfest or straight up more movie than game.

>> No.5676707

>>5673637
i'd say it's the opposite, there's not much really important about the game, but it's aged just fine, there's nothing unplayable about it (unless you really hate early 3d graphics, i suppose)

>> No.5676757

Every game is overrated, every game is underrated, all at the same time.

There's literally no point in discussing whether or not something is overrated or not. Its a pointless argument to make.

>> No.5676801

>>5672895
Yes

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>>5676757

>> No.5676886

>>5676829
yeah, this.
fucking buddhafaggots on this fucking board, I swear on my mom.

>> No.5676907

>>5676829
>>5676886
>everyone who doesn't instigate flamewars all the time and gets hyperbolic all the time likes buddha
What?

>> No.5677040

>>5673451
Dark cloud, beyond good and evil, star fox adventure, okami, fable

>> No.5677091

>>5676907
I just thought it was funny, sorry for offending you somehow

>> No.5678010

>>5677091
>offending
Just because I have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean I'm "offended".
And people say summer isn't a thing on this website ...

>> No.5678459

>>5676654
Apparently one guy on this thread does. It's argument is : it's written on the box

>> No.5678984

>>5672895
It is one of the most influential games ever and at the time there no game like it. But it's a victim of it's own success. It's formula has been built upon and improved by many games that have come after it both combat mechanically and puzzle/adventure wise.

So it is undeniably a very important game. It's not overrated, it's outdated. Unlike say... super mario 64 where no action platformer ever really outdid its mechanics. In my opinion the best way to define the argument that a game has 'aged' if im going to use that unholy term, it would be to look at the games that tried to build off of it and see whether or not those games improved on it, or failed to live up to it. I can say with confidence that there are Zelda games post OOT that i've enjoyed more than it.

>> No.5679250

I haven't even played Ocarina yet, but it's on my todo-List. For some reason the early clumsy 3d-stuff felt repulsive to me back then, that's why I never played games like Banjo, Spyro or OoT. Feels like I might have missed something here.

>> No.5679256

>>5672895
Kinda? I mean it's not the best Zelda but it's still a great game.

>> No.5680515

>>5672895
Holy shit, I actually didn't notice that was the SwSh tree.

>> No.5680658

>>5680515
SwSh?

>> No.5680705

>>5680658
Pokemon "Sw"ord and "Sh"ield.

>> No.5681285

>>5680515
there just isn't a single tree in OoT that looks like that. there are no cliff platforms on Hyrule Field either.

>> No.5681348

>>5681285
Not everyone has perfectly memorized every inch of OoT. It looks close enough.

>> No.5682553

Lmao at all the people who didn't even notice this was a joke topic

>> No.5683545

>>5673478
>open world area
>shit textures
WHO WOULD THOUGHT THAT?!
>>5672895
Yeah, it is pretty good. There is only one thing that didn‘t aged good and that‘s the iron boots not beeing an item

>> No.5684427

>>5672895
good when it came out, shit compared to any other game released in the last 10 years

>> No.5684438

>>5684427
>Games from past 10 years
>Good
Nice joke

>> No.5684443

>>5672895
Superseded by its legacy, but it's a completely acceptable game by its own merits. Wind Waker blows it out of the water. Pun intended.

>> No.5684450

>>5684438
The only reason you think older games are better is because you played them in your childhood when you were actually happy instead of horribly depressed like you are now

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>>5684450
>because you played them in your childhood when you were actually happy instead of horribly depressed like you are now
anon...

>> No.5685948

yes. It's still really really good though.

>> No.5686596

>>5678010
You should work on your tone because you did sound quite upset about it.

>> No.5686780

>>5683545
>There is only one thing that didn‘t aged good and that‘s the iron boots not beeing an item

menu swapping to place items on 2 buttons only was never good in GBC Zelda games either.

>> No.5686801

>>5684450
Turns on the TV... nothing but niggers, faggots and women.

Turns on the radio... nothing but niggers, faggots and women.

>It's because you're depressed, anon.

>> No.5686813

>>5681348
>It looks close enough.

and yet it isn't.

>Not everyone has perfectly memorized every inch of OoT.

there really is not that much to remember.
it's graphically not very complex.

>> No.5686823

>>5672895
yes

>> No.5686826

>>5672895
If you are a resentful sony nigger that thinks that a turn based anime movie is better then yes.
You probably don't like real videogames.

>> No.5686829

>>5672895
What is this, some mod?

>> No.5686832

>>5673064
Z-targeting

>> No.5686845
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>>5686801
You're the disease. Prozac is the cure.

>> No.5686861

>>5674580
ESLs are too poor to play 3D Zelda games

>> No.5686867

>>5686845
>Needing SSRIs to make you "normal"

>> No.5686954

>>5686829
>What is this, some mod?

The image is from the new Pokemon game, with Link from OoT added in.

>> No.5687043

>>5686954
what the absolute fuck