ITT: Shit in retro games you hate

[Anonymous No.5641378]

>shmups with no fire other than "shoot 2 shots straight forward"
>key items aren't put into their own inventory
>enemies that respawn before you even fully leave the screen

[Anonymous No.5641393]

>limited inventory space
>no indication of which items are actually need for puzzles
>lots of useless/meme/junk items

[Anonymous No.5641396]

>no save system at all

[Anonymous No.5641398]

>no continues unless you enter the password every time

[Anonymous No.5641402]

>get 50exp from strong enemy killed
>5000exp to level up

[Anonymous No.5641426]

>bump into regular enemy
>take damage
for some stuff, say a Zombie +Belmont, its ok but Mega + a Mettaur, no its not

[Anonymous No.5641446]

>die in shmup
>it's basically game over because you have zero powerups at all

[Anonymous No.5641469]

>>5641446
play a better shmup

[Anonymous No.5641513]

>rpg doesn't tell you if it's possible to run from a specific encounter or not

>>5641469
it's not my fault i only had gradius 3 on snes growing up

[Anonymous No.5641525]

Not sure how much it counts but
>Going back to something retro after playing modern games with autosaves and losing hours of progress because you forgot the game doesn't save for you

[Anonymous No.5641559]

>>5641525
Maybe its cause I'm a boomer who's played over 9000 games but I never had this problem. Maybe I've just played games with a large variance in save systems.

[Anonymous No.5641569]

>>5641513
Everything about the Gradius series is so refined too. Not sure the logic behind basically giving you one life. Doesn't even make sense from a quarter munching perspective since you can't credit feed through the game. Guess they just want you to play perfectly.

[Anonymous No.5641587]

>>5641569
It'd be far more fair if you just lost some of your powerups. Realistically, what can you do near the very end of the game with nothing but a single speedup? Especially since you have nothing to help with crowd control

[Anonymous No.5641782]

>>5641378
There's an easy way through that screen if you know how to do it.
>Go to the edge of the platform and jump straight up, let the soldier run under you
>Back up, the enemy in the hood on the next platform will disappear and won't return
>Jump over the lower bird (or kill it during the back up move) and jump INTO the higher bird
>Land on the next platform (or the first one if you're not close enough and jump over before the next soldier comes) to continue.

I mastered this in 1989 when it first came out. Using this trick it is possible to ALWAYS make it past this part and beat the game in under 20 minutes. I'm amazed people haven't figured it out yet. The real trick is making sure you have enough hit points saved up (the bird takes away 2 bars I think) to take the extra damage on the way to the final boss.

[Anonymous No.5641854]

>>5641393
I just started playing Resident Evil 1 and I immediately want to get a guide just to know what Items should I be holding. I understand how limited inventory space can force the player to be more creative with solving problems but this is dumb.

[Anonymous No.5641860]

>equips take up inventory space
No, that hat of mine is not also in my bag at the same time.

[Anonymous No.5641873]

>Short sword STR+1: 250 gold
>Scimitar STR+2: 400 gold
>Brass sword STR+3: 1800 gold

[Anonymous No.5641875]

>>5641402
It's called "grind"

[Anonymous No.5641898]

Let's see:

>Completely unavoidable traps or attacks
>Having to use the select button for anything else than pausing/inventory/maps
>Convoluted password systems that take half an hour to input or have weird characters that are not clear
>Janky hitboxes where you can get hit from a mile away by a short ranged attack but you can hit someone in the stomach and deal nothing
>Janky platforms
>Long pointless unskippable intros for games that don't have a saving or password system
>Obnoxiously heavy or floaty physics
>Die on one hit on games that scroll really fast
>Fall damage on unrealistic platformers (looking at you, Bubsy)
>Missable content because the game can't scroll left (I seem to recall some game like that and no, I'm not fucking talking about SMB)
>Games where you can easily get completely stuck many hours into without any resources left and you have to start all over again from the beginning

[Anonymous No.5641913]

When the screen wont scroll until you're 70% the way over so an enemy can smack you the instant it appears. So now the game is about moving an tiny bit forward to move the screen before pausing for a second to make sure you aren't getting ambushed so you can move forward another tiny bit again and repeat the process over and over again

[Anonymous No.5641940]

>>5641898
ITT: SCRUBS

[Anonymous No.5641959]

>>5641378
Pressing up to jump is a pain in some platformers.

[Anonymous No.5642007]

>>5641875
Yes but grinding is fucking bullshit

[Anonymous No.5642412]

>>5641875
There's a difference between "kill a couple dozen enemies for a level" and "pace back and forth in the same area because you physically cannot progress past this point without killing 400 enemies. It's why DQ1 is such a miserable experience.

[Anonymous No.5642447]

>ammunition is a scarce resource
Reason I never liked RE games. I dont mind having no way to regenerate health, or insanely strong enemies that kill you in one hit, or stupidly resistant that they take 300 bullets to kill, but having to save ammo is the biggest bullshit in shooting games.

[Anonymous No.5642489]

>>5642447
>but having to save ammo is the biggest bullshit in shooting games.

Having infinite ammo is worse. It removes tension and forces combat to become a chore. Go play all the Deadspace games and when you get to 3 all the weapons draw from the same ammo source so you run around with fucking infinite ammo rocket launchers and the entire game becomes a joke. So suddenly that "stupidly resistant that they take 300 bullets to kill" becomes the norm because how do you challenge players that can fire the best guns nonstop without penalty?

[Anonymous No.5642502]

>>5642447
>ammo is rare
>it's also your only method of fighting back

[Anonymous No.5642515]

>Heal Staff: 3/20 uses left
>Heal Staff 2: 5/20 uses left
>can't merge the two to get a single Heal Staff with 8 uses left

[Anonymous No.5642529]

>>5642515
Its only bad if you can't sell used items for a reasonable amount proportional to how many uses it has left. New staff with 20 uses you can buy for 200 gold. Sell a staff with 19 uses left? eh 50 gold is the best I can give you for that

[Anonymous No.5642537]

>friendly fire is a thing
Specially annoying when the retarded AI keeps walking in front of you.

[Anonymous No.5642548]

>n64 game
>that control stick

[Anonymous No.5642578]

>>5642548
>insanely precise putting modern sticks to shame
I know right. Dat fucking control stick

[Anonymous No.5642585]

>lack of battery backup saves, or even password saving for really long games like Blaster Master that really needed them
>stupid illegible fonts in lengthy passwords that were easy to fuck up, like with Metroid and Faxanadu
>everything gets censored overseas because religious nutters and moral guardians: no titties, no gays or trannies, no cursing, no pentagrams or crucifixes in my Castlevanias or Final Fantasies
>characters getting re-gendered for no apparent reason during localization
>shitty in-house translations that do no justice to an otherwise decent plot
>difficult games dumbed down for Western release because Japan thinks we suck at vidya

[Anonymous No.5642593]

>>5642578
Don't play dumb, you know that thing flat out grinds into dust

[Anonymous No.5642612]

RPG

Random encounter every 3 step

[Anonymous No.5642631]

>>5642593
But for the first couple years it works fine, assuming you aren't some kind of barbarian mashing the stick with all your might. They need to re-release it made out of metal and a rubber top instead of cheap plastic

[Anonymous No.5642643]

>boss counters physical attacks with some fuckoff powerful spell
>you have a single black mage

[Anonymous No.5642686]

>need to stock up on potions
>there's only one kind of potion and it heals maybe 5% of your hp in the lategame
>can only buy them one at a time
>spend 5 minutes mashing A

[Anonymous No.5642764]

>>5642686
Final fantasy 1 Nes!

[Anonymous No.5642870]

>>5642537
Or when the AI decides to aim at an enemy you're attacking, and OOPS!
Yeah, I'm fucking talking about you, Ian.

[Anonymous No.5642874]

>>5641378
I hate conveyor belts

[Anonymous No.5642881]

>arcade port lets you press select to insert "coins"
Might as well just play MAME desu

[Anonymous No.5642896]

>TALK
>OPEN
>DOOR
>STAIRS
>CHECK
>all in a menu instead of just hitting A depending on where you are

[Anonymous No.5642948]

>fighting game
>every special move is some obscure combination that the game doesn't tell you because training modes didn't exist yet

[Anonymous No.5642960]

>have 1x life left in one game
>dying means game over
>have 1x life left in another game
>dying means you have 0x lives left

[Anonymous No.5643157]

>overly strict time limits

[Anonymous No.5643191]

>>5642948
>game lists moves in the manual
>but not all of them, only a select few for each character

[Anonymous No.5643198]

>>5643191
>game manual mentions special moves
>tells you to write them down when you find them and nothing else

[Anonymous No.5643207]

>RPGs where you have to manually write a command
>Password systems instead of save slots
>Hitscan enemies
>SNK bosses

[Anonymous No.5643227]

>1 hit deaths
>3 lives
>no continues
>wrapped into one

[Anonymous No.5643241]

>enemies that are too small to properly attack, yet are every bit as deadly as the normally sized enemies

[Anonymous No.5643606]

>>5642612
>Random encounter every 3 step
Fav game in the series. yup annoying

[Anonymous No.5644318]

>>5641402
>scaling exp
>need 5000exp to level up
>everything gives 2-3 exp

[Anonymous No.5644417]

>>5641860
This.
Hell with you, Wizardry.

[Anonymous No.5644534]

>>5641398
>and it's a 20+ character password

[Anonymous No.5644542]

>level select code involves the sound test and random songs

[Anonymous No.5644840]

>This staff casts a spell!
>The staff casts a spell as though you had minimal stats, even if the mage uses it, meaning it's effectively useless

[Anonymous No.5644845]

>INSTANT DEATH BEING FUCKING USELESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfKO1UNSwIA

[Anonymous No.5644918]

A big pet peeve of mine is the old RPG trope where your super powerful party gets thrown in jail by a single guard once the king turns evil. I'm not even a storyfag but that always bothers me. Anytime I'm in jail in an rpg I want to stop playing.

Also rpgs where status ailment spells are basically just hogging up space in your menu because they never ever work on enemies, especially the important boss fights.

[Anonymous No.5644959]

>>5641378
>shmups

[Anonymous No.5644987]

>>5644845
This shit right here
>death has a 15% to succeed
>no indication of an enemies weakness to it or any status effect for that matter which means you could fail hundreds of times but the enemy is still technically "weak" to it.
>useless abilities only exist so they can be used against a few specific enemies that you only would know about if you read a guide or grinded out your own comprehensive bestiary by testing every ability on every enemy.

Its such a shame too, why not center a mechanic around status discovery that isn't a monotonous mess? Like having weaknesses discoverable through other ways in the game or a method to deduce it?

[Anonymous No.5645275]

>spells have a good chance of missing the enemy
I'm not talking stuff like status spells or instakill, I mean the general "deal damage" spells

[Anonymous No.5645403]

>>5641378
what japanese meme is this?
saw one with bomberman

[Anonymous No.5645453]

>>5644918
A flower blocks your path.

[Anonymous No.5645537]

>enemy is extremely weak physically but it doesn't matter because every attack it lands has a chance of unblockable instadeath

[Anonymous No.5645542]

>>5641378
>faggots who come to /vr/ to whine about the most inane shit

[Anonymous No.5645594]

>>5641873
>You cave in and buy the strongest weapon in the store because you really want to kick ass
>Only to find a weapon that's equally strong or even better in the very next dungeon

[Anonymous No.5645641]

>required simon says minigame

[Anonymous No.5645649]

>play rpg
>constantly worry about any permanently missable items you might be walking past

[Anonymous No.5645670]

>>5641875
Grind is the shittiest thing that plagues the games and it will never truly go away. Grind is easy mode. It's easy mode for player because you can't misallocate your resources - you can just grind some more. Only thing stopping you is your patience. It's easy mod for developers because you don't need to balance your game - if you make players grind they will never know you fucked up balance, they will never know you only meant for them to grind 10 hours and not 20.

[Anonymous No.5645749]

>>5645649
>play rpg
>party member leaves and takes all the gear with them

[Anonymous No.5645951]

>>5645649
>Play RPG
>lengthy opening sequence
>get asshole torn open by first tutorial fight
>seemingly unwinnable no matter what
>missed an "optional" bonus starting weapon
>have to restart the game and repeat 30 minutes of progress

[Anonymous No.5645954]

>>5645649
Fuck the Spoon in FF4

[Anonymous No.5646229]

>RPG
>Need to grind for exp
>Level up
>Enemies now give less and less experience
>Level up some more
>Enemies now give you between 1 and zero experience

I ffffffffffucking hated this.

[Anonymous No.5646365]

>game can't save anymore because the internal battery is dead
inb4 "just replace it" that's a pretty big hassle when it's a couple dozen games.

[Anonymous No.5646413]

>>5646365
Pokemon Gold and Silver was an absolute disaster on that front. Everyone I knew had their battery die long before their copies of red/blue/yellow. Game autistically makes you grind for hundreds of hours to make the perfect team and oops the battery died.

[Anonymous No.5646437]

>>5641513
>gradius 3 on snes
Come on, that game had so much slowdown it was practically cheating

[Anonymous No.5646439]

>>5646365
>>5646413
You may wanna check this out. It backs up your save before you change the battery.

[Anonymous No.5646452]

Short hand menu text because the localization team could not get past the text limit from Japanese.

[Anonymous No.5646458]

>abilities that would make gameplay more interesting cut from the international releases

[Anonymous No.5646596]

>>5646452
SHT SWD. MAG STF. LTR BTS.

[Anonymous No.5646695]

In RPGs
>stealth segment
>escort segment
>stealth escort segment
>box sliding puzzles
>boss battle requiring you keep a non-party NPC alive
>time limit battles/quests
Action games
>stealth/escort bullshit
>box sliding puzzles
>tedious mechanic that you can ignore the whole game until one boss forces you to rely on it

[Anonymous No.5646703]

>>5646452

Weird how everyone in the world has a four letter name.

[Anonymous No.5646739]

The tendency of Mega Drive/Saturn games in general to have no consistency among them when it comes to which button selects or cancels in a menu.

[Anonymous No.5646765]

>>5641378
>background music loop is 12 seconds long

[Anonymous No.5646769]

>>5646765
I absolutely hate the underground parts of Super Mario for this very reason.

[Anonymous No.5646773]

>>5645649
I use a missables guide for most RPGs.

[Anonymous No.5646785]

>>5642612
and the dungeons have dead ends without treasure chests

[Anonymous No.5646873]

>scaling exp in general

[Anonymous No.5646894]

>getting hit and falling to a pit
>shmups where you lose all weapons when you die, it's the reason I like Axelay but hate Gradius
>trial and error design

[Anonymous No.5646916]

>Fast paced game with a super slow section in the middle
>Games with tank controls that require quick movement
>Really awkward "unique" camera controls
>High pitched repetitive music
>lot of missables but not so good it's worth replaying
>too much clutter on screen to where you can barely see what you're in control
>powerups look like enemies
>Race drivin'
>Things that nobody, not even the developers themselves, would figure out without using a guide because they're not translated properly
>Speaking of which, extremely poorly translated games that are text heavy
>Walk slow, run only by double tapping and you can double tap late, but that messes you up because you end up doing three taps and walking by mistake
>Jump by pressing up on platformers
>Easy to trigger softlocks or game crashes
>Sliding block puzzle out of nowhere!
>Respawn points that make it to where it's more favorable to just spawn at the beginning of the level
>Sneaking a literal copy paste of a section you previously played with really minor changes
>Speaking of which, having to beat the same exact boss for again without being any more powerful
>Buzzsaws everywhere
>Mechanics (like power ups or stats) that actually do not work because of a bug
>Ambiguous stats/skills
>Press A button, but I pressed a button (the power button) and the consoled turned off
>Crazy difficulty swings (really easy at first, really hard for a minute, then really easy again)
>Time based sections but the timer is faster/slower than real life
>Quickly close that text box and press a button or she dies
>Easy mode is more fun
>Thief class not capable of stealing anything
>Heal spell not healing HP
>Pause menu takes a while to load
>Player is bigger than the entire fucking screen and you can barely see a fucking thing
>You either walk extremely slow or go so fast you bump into things all the time

[Anonymous No.5646919]

>the continue feature is a cheat code

[Anonymous No.5646923]

>>5646919
>"continue" is just start from the beginning and skip the title screen, not an actual continue

[Anonymous No.5646931]

>go to enter a password
>1, I, l
>o, O, 0

[Anonymous No.5647521]

>jrpg
>one of the characters main attack requires ammo
shadow from ff6 and billy from xenogears, although the latter isn’t that bad because one “bullet” grants 99 shots

[Anonymous No.5647569]

>>5641782
This is straight facts. I beat this one a month ago and stumbled across that glitch by accident. The real bullshit is the limited continues in the third one. It's technically easier too which is ironic since it was the longest one for me to beat

[Anonymous No.5647579]

>>5642447
Maybe don't attack everyone

[Anonymous No.5648073]

>game will not progress unless you talk to a random npc hidden away in the back of a town behind several houses

[Anonymous No.5648085]

>game is slated for release before the year 2000
>game launch gets pushed back to 2000 due to production issues
>autists claim you're not allowed to discuss the game on a retro games subforum because its release technically doesn't meet an arbitrary date to be considered a retro game

[Anonymous No.5648116]

>play text adventure
>>I don't understand [literally any word ever]

[Anonymous No.5648134]

18 seconds of pain looping infinitely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xnn3dSy-fA

[Anonymous No.5648350]

>power downs constantly drop from many things

[Anonymous No.5648356]

>>5648085
you are dumb. There has to be a rule on what games we discuss. Piss off.

[Anonymous No.5648371]

>>5642631
all that aside... i only have 2 hands. that stick is something out of total recal (you know the scene im talkin about)

[Anonymous No.5648431]

>>5641875
Yes, and grinding is shit. It's padding in its purest form. It's not challenging, it's just time consuming. In most games you can grind for hours just randomly jabbing A left and right.

[Anonymous No.5648451]

>>5642447
>>5641854
>waaah strategic inventory management in a survival horror game that makes a point of pitting the player against an unfamiliar isolated environment with strategically placed enemies where they must be clever and resourceful to survive
>literally the central theme and challenge of the game
>b...b...but why can't I be superman and just sit back in the corner blasting all the enemies away
Try Mario Oddysee that should be more your speed

[Anonymous No.5648463]

>>5646923
That one really grinds my gears

[Anonymous No.5648471]

>>5648451
>strategic inventory management
The point is its not strategic. They throw tons of crap at you for no reason other than to clog your inventory. You don't carefully pick and choose what to hold and what not to hold. Its ignore everything until you find the door that wants the object and backtrack to then grab it, use it, then forget about it. Later games in the series would remove every random thing being an inventory object because it serves no purpose.

[Anonymous No.5648481]

>>5646695
I agree with all of this except box sliding puzzles, I never mind a decent box sliding puzzle

[Anonymous No.5648487]

>shmup
>have to mash to fire

[Anonymous No.5648494]

>>5648073
>have to talk to a certain NPC while having a certain pt member as lead

[Anonymous No.5648505]

>single partymember rpgs/parts where you only have 1 partymember
Completely throws most strategy out the window, turning fights into a mindless slugfest with maybe a heal spell every few turns

[Anonymous No.5648506]

>>5648471
It absolutely is strategic when it comes to ammo and these are not particularly hard games and there are places to store your extra items. The mansion itself is not that big, the entire game is built on backtracking as the mansion is one big puzzle with paths that don't open until you've done something on another path. Even to save you have to backtrack. The only time it's ever slightly inconvenient is when you're good enough at the game that you don't use up all your healing items and you run into a new healing item that you can't store, so you simply have to leave it there and revisit it if you ever need it. This is such a zoomer tier "I'm so shit at video games that even the most basic things are problem for me" complaint.

[Anonymous No.5648530]

>>5646739
B is usually cancel in my Saturn experience, but yeah, you never know whether to press A or C to choose options in a menu.

[Anonymous No.5648540]

>>5648506
Its such a zoomer tier complaint that capcom themselves toned it down significantly before zoomers were even born. Sorry to burst your bubble but it sucked and only a few people actually liked it.

[Anonymous No.5648607]

>>5648494
Oh fuck, what the hell game does this?

[Anonymous No.5648636]

>Starting pewpew scifi weapon has extremely short range for no logical reason

>RPG characters can upgrade health/mp/stats but can't upgrade/change spells
>can only upgrade/change spells by changing to new characters that you have to grind to catch up in levels

>When hit by enemy, you bounce back a long distance, sometimes falling directly into pit/lava. Defeated enemies then respawn immediately because you're now too far away.

>Random deaths by enemies with instant death attacks in RPGs
>Attacks that permanently reduce character levels in RPGs
>very random enemy types and enemy group size in random encounters

[Anonymous No.5648826]

>one-hit-death platformer
>controls are very slippery
>collision detection is awful and causes you to get hit when attacking, resulting in cheap deaths

[Anonymous No.5648835]

>>5648826
>Hitbox not the same dimensions as the weapon swing
>fails to trigger if attacking at a down at an angle.

[Anonymous No.5648936]

>You can only attack in 4/8 directions but enemies can attack in any direction
Okay this one isn't so bad but combined with
>Enemies smartly position themselves in areas where you can't angle to shoot them no matter what
Things go to shit. I was on an arcade binge a while back and I could fucking tell when they decided you had enough play time and wanted to suck quarters.

[Anonymous No.5649330]

>run and jump are swapped

[Anonymous No.5649373]

>>5642593
Mine are originally from Japan and Ninty put grease in the ones they sold there so that doesn't happen.

[Anonymous No.5649375]

>all the doors are locked

[Anonymous No.5649390]

>>5643227
hello fellow contra player
>>5644845
>spend 4 turns grunting to go super saiyan
>the 4th turn can randomly fail so sometimes it's even more than 4 turns
>it can be dispelled and set you back to square one by some spellcasting enemies
>it dispels itself after one attack
>it does the same damage as if you had just attacked four turns in a row

[Anonymous No.5649398]

>character has a shield that regenerate
>health points doesn't
>when you get hit there's no way to recover that lost health and the gap is always there even if it overlaps with shield
This triggers my autism. Why not just have regenerative health?

[Anonymous No.5649401]

>>5648636
>Attacks that permanently reduce character levels in RPGs
>getting stunlocked at the same time

[Anonymous No.5649406]

[Anonymous No.5649728]

>>5644987
I would love if more RPGs had abilities for learning enemy information like that e.g. SMT's Analyze or Paper Mario's Tattle.

[Anonymous No.5649742]

>>5648607
I can't think of any retro examples right now but if you really want an example, I think Tales of Vesperia did it.

[Anonymous No.5649918]

>>5647521
Shadow is a bad example because his main attack is just a dagger, and the basic shuriken for his throw are ridiculously cheap and effective.

[Anonymous No.5649931]

>>5649406
you can bounce his disrupt attack with Wall fyi. That's why he telegraphs who will be hit with it.

[Anonymous No.5649941]

>random encounter every 6 steps
>can't explore a dungeon in peace without random battles screwing up the flow
>random encounters are just time wasters you can auto-attack through
>resources aren't scarce, can buy all the potions and and mana regen at shops (wtf is the point? makes the world so boring)
>puzzles aren't super obvious
>town - dungeon - town - dungeon - town - dungeon - rinse repeat formula until Last Boss
>shitty menus that look ugly or are clunky to use

[Anonymous No.5649945]

>>5649941
>>puzzles aren't super obvious
ARE*

lmao

[Anonymous No.5650053]

>>5641854
To this day I have never beaten RE1 with Chris and probably never will. It's not even a difficulty thing, it's a frustration thing. Having to keep trekking back and forth to the item box is just outright annoying and not fun in the slightest. 6 slots is not enough when you generally need 1 slot for a weapon, 1 slot for ammo, 1 slot for a healing item and 1 slot for small keys, leaving you with only 2 slots to pick up the metric fuckton of items the game barrages you with from the very start. And that's just the bare minimum. Hope you don't pick up anymore ammo, herbs or ink ribbons or you have to bring them back to the box first.

There's a very good reason that the sequels started you with more inventory space and even gave you the option to expand it a little more. I don't know who in the fuck actually enjoys games with extremely limited inventory systems, retro or not.

[Anonymous No.5650065]

>>5649941
>>town - dungeon - town - dungeon - town - dungeon - rinse repeat formula until Last Boss
don't really hate that one to be honest. When the main gameplay is fun what's the problem? On the contrary I hate gimmick shit like stealth or racing sections, I play RPGs to kill, loot and become God.

[Anonymous No.5650086]

>>5650065
if a game has that setup usually the gameplay isn't very fun and includes much of the other points I mentioned. Specially mindless auto-attack to win random encounters, no challenge in item management and the bosses are usually pushovers until the last boss...

>loot and feel like a god
boring if the game isn't a challenge to begin with.

[Anonymous No.5650089]

>>5650086
well you gotta play the right games then, dingus. Ones where you just explore, kill shit for hours and enjoy every second. Not basic bitch games like DQ/FF.

[Anonymous No.5650201]

>game makes you backtrack through every level as you unlock new abilities, because some of the puzzles you find early on can only be solved with shit you get later in the game
Really hated Rare games in the N64, because of this.

[Anonymous No.5650214]

>>5641378
>artificial difficulty
>bad design
>bad controls
>limited continues
>restart level on death
>insufficient hand holding
>wrong shade of purple used for sky
Did I miss anything?

[Anonymous No.5650316]

>>5649931
Doesn't help if your party order doesn't let you get to Rosa fast enough

[Anonymous No.5650338]

>Dost thou love me, anon?
"No"
>But thou must! Dost thou love me, anon?
"No"
>But thou must! Dost thou love me, anon?
"No"
>But thou must! Dost thou love me, anon?
"No"
>But thou must! Dost thou love me, anon?

The only time this shit is acceptable is when the question being asked is "Are you ready?"

[Anonymous No.5650497]

>>5650338
Are we there yet?

[Anonymous No.5650779]

>>5641525
>Get nostalgic for Fallout 1/2 while playing New Vegas
>2 hours in die to random combat/lose a companion in FO2
>Forgot that the game doesn't save after every screen transition
Fuck

[Anonymous No.5650859]

>>5641396

>you have to spend skill points to save your game

[Anonymous No.5650865]

>>5642412
For you

[Anonymous No.5650874]

>>5650859
>you have to beat a specific level to save

[Anonymous No.5650890]

>>5650874
>You can miss items on a previous level but you're allowed to go back to find them
>The game only saves once you beat it the first time
>100% completion can never be saved if you already beat the game once

[Anonymous No.5651781]

>Ambush!
>partywide petrification

[Anonymous No.5651872]

>>5649941
>menu hell.jpg
Really though?

[Anonymous No.5651909]

>>5651872
I haven't played that game but from I can tell it appears you have to select a character, then an item, then a character again. It looks completely unnecessary. Is there some sort of bonus characters get when using an item on another character?

[Anonymous No.5651990]

>need to drink a bunch of potions outside of battle
>the potions heal very little
>the cursor doesn't remember where it was
>every single potion you need to move over to it and hit A

[Anonymous No.5652001]

>>5644534
>with weird symbols and shit

[Anonymous No.5652013]

>RPG with an unconventional worldview
>has no way of tracking where the hell you are outside of the overworld beyond a compass
Xenogears is gripping me so far but fuck me it's a chore to navigate at times. I'm.not saying make getting from point to point braindead but at least give better means of direction because that isometric 3D camera is super disorienting

[Anonymous No.5652074]

>>5651909
They're using one character's healing technique to heal another character. Phantasy Star IV's menus are incredibly intuitive and unobtrusive. Each of those menus pops up only after you select another option.

[Anonymous No.5652082]

>>5652074
Oh then thats not so bad then.

[Anonymous No.5652271]

>>5650338
Turn the hero into a heroine and the princess into a prince and feminists would scream about how it's rape.

[Anonymous No.5652642]

>>5652271
It's like "We're not going anywhere until you say you love me", maybe I don't want to declare love for a videogame character.

[Anonymous No.5652915]

>level up!
>Level 25>26!
>nothing else changed

[Anonymous No.5653390]

>>5642447
Bruh the point of survival horror is to survive
Tho I'll agree you shouldn't have that AND a jillion hp basic enemies

[Anonymous No.5653407]

>>5646413
My silvers original battery actually still works

[Anonymous No.5653425]

>>5642612
The ability to turn off random encounters is one of the reasons I replay FFVIII more often than the others.

[Anonymous No.5654576]

>>5642612
Never touched a Pokemon because of this

[Anonymous No.5654642]

>>5641378
Tutorials, handholding, long cutscenes, unfunny attempts at comedic writing, patronizing, boring characters that you're supposed to cheer for but that you really want to see die, generic soundtracks that sound like every modern mediocre movie, unresponsive controls that feel more like a suggestion that a command, and ugly.

[Anonymous No.5654654]

>>5654576
Repel item

[Anonymous No.5654935]

>>5641393
To add on to this, key items that can be discarded that can fuck up your progress.

[Anonymous No.5654998]

>>5654576
Just stay off the grass

[Anonymous No.5655013]

>puzzle has exactly one solution
>it's so absurdly convoluted that it requires you be steeped in years of adventure game bizarro logic
>none of the immediately obvious ways of solving the puzzle are acceptable

cat hair mustache

[Anonymous No.5655437]

Does everyone here play nothing but JRPGs?

[Anonymous No.5655456]

>>5655437
No. Why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.5656059]

>>5650338
based princess trying to avoid making Alef from being gay

[Anonymous No.5656129]

>>5654642
Stop playing shit games then?

[Anonymous No.5656205]

>>5641396
This shit right here. It's not so bad if it's a game that's short/has a stage select code like Sonic 1, but when it's a game that's a few hours long when you know what you're doing? Fuck it, i dont want to keep my console on overnight

[Anonymous No.5657197]

>get hit in game that lets you take multiple hits
>lose powerup
I'm not talking the mario sort mind you, i'm talking the shit like "your whip downgrades to the leather whip" like Castlevania Adventure had

[Anonymous No.5657602]

>>5655013
>puzzles have some "overlap" in the order they can be solved
>get stuck on one puzzle
>"oh well I'll go focus on this other puzzle over here" and advance the game
>find items which are the perfect solution for the first puzzle
>dont work on the first puzzle
>actually the solution for the second puzzle
>get stuck again, consult walkthrough
>solution to first puzzle is hidden in an obscure location and is functionally identical to the previous solutions item
IMO if you need to consult a walkthrough for anything other than to get a 100% it has failed in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.5658873]

>running from battle doesn't work 80% of the time

[Anonymous No.5658968]

>>5652001
>uppercase and lowercase letters

[Anonymous No.5659890]

>>5641854
Sorry whoever's replying to you is acting like a faggot but really the ideal way to play is with Jill for extra inventory and put all key items away until it becomes obvious you need them (i.e. a square shaped hole for your square shaped crank) and just don't worry about it. Throw first aid sprays and whatever full heals you can make in the item box and save em for bosses if you can. Save any big guns for them too, usually the only ones you need on you are a handgun (not a magnum) and a shotgun, but later on if you have to force your way through annoying enemies, it's better to use a little bit of ammo of a powerful weapon than waste twenty shotgun shells. Try to drop off save ribbons at your earliest convenience. Keep one, maybe two healing items on you, which is gonna force you to learn how to avoid getting hit, but of course you need to inventory space. Over all it's gonna require some backtracking but it's a backtracking kind of game.
>>5642447
You're supposed to learn to juke enemies to save on ammo. Not only is the tension ramped up with limited ammo, but from having to put yourself in close quarters with the zombies too.

[Anonymous No.5660180]

>>5642643
one thing I liked about ffx is that even when this shit happened, at least your sword dickwads had useful red mage-esque spells and didn't feel like dead weights or purely item bitches. Of course there's also if you decided to put anyone on lulu's route on the sphere grid or use a friend sphere or whatever it's called.

[Anonymous No.5660189]

>>5657197
Some shmups have that feature. If you crash into an enemy you lose a power up instead of dying immediately. I kinda like that.

[Anonymous No.5660219]

>>5650859
>skill points to save
Explain yourself, Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.5660232]

>>5641854
I lived with two other guys when this game came out. We had friends dropping by all the time who were trying it out. Eventually all of us got to the end boss but couldn't figure out how to kill it. After a few days of frustration I threw $30 on top of the TV and told everyone to ante up. A month later I woke up for work at 6AM. One of my roommates was sitting in front of the TV still awake from the night before. He was running around the final boss in circles while repeating 'Weebles wobble but they won't fall down, Weebles wobble but they won't fall down!' (a commercial at the time for a kids toy).
I told him to quit and get some sleep. Then the helicopter came. I couldn't believe it. And one shot later it was all over. He took the $ and danced around the room for an hour repeating the phrase over and over like a mad man. Oh, the days before the internet.

[Anonymous No.5660256]

>>5644918

>rpg jails where you just have to wait it out
>rpg jails where you have to find the secret exit

[Anonymous No.5660259]

>>5645594

>constantly finding crap that is weaker than your current gear

[Anonymous No.5660265]

>>5650779
Ah the "ole game over screen transition back to the title screen"

Nothing more sobering than that one

[Anonymous No.5660269]

>>5650779
>everything is fine
>sniper sneaking, no problems
>BANG
>100s damage critical turns sniper into a regular Picasso

Fallout Tactics was worse.
And of course I'm on Ironman god damnit

[Anonymous No.5660273]

>Boss is completely immune to every status ailment
Shit, even Etrian Odyssey avoids this, you can install most of the bosses in 3 as well.

[Anonymous No.5660689]

>no inventory grid
>inventory is one long list of stacked items you have to scroll through

I love classic Fallout, but I hate the inventory.

[Anonymous No.5660746]

>lose battle
>GAME OVER!
>win the battle
>you lose in cutscene because it's part of the plot

[Anonymous No.5660756]

>point & click adventure game
>really absurd and overly complicated solution to a puzzle that could be easily solved with real life logic in one minute
>can't use inventory item that could solve it in real life

Flight of the Amazon Queen was like this. You have a baseball bat in your inventory through most of the game, and you only get to use it once even though 99% of the puzzles could be solved if you could use the bat. For example, there was this part where you have to pick up item from piranha infested water, but you can't use your bare hands. In real life you would instinctively try to pick it up with any long sturdy item such as the baseball bat, but no, the game wants you to use a very complex contraption to pick it up. I understand it's mostly about the humor and creative thinking, but sometimes it's just bad design and backwards moon logic.

[Anonymous No.5660903]

>>5641525
I find autosaving to be much more annoying.

[Anonymous No.5661449]

>>5645537
I remember this fight, it was gay but I had 4 monks on my team. The ultimate team.

[Anonymous No.5662871]

>downgrades to your gear litter your path

[Anonymous No.5663758]

Prepare your feels:
>dead multiplayer servers
>game has multiplayer menu, but obviously no servers online, ever
>because the servers are dead, all the re-releases will be marketed as singleplayer version

Most Sierra games are like this. It can also be a pleasant surprise if the classic game you buy from steam turns out to have a multiplayer mode that can be emulated with tunneling software. SWAT 3 steam re-release doesn't even list the multiplayer feature.

[Anonymous No.5663763]

>>5663758
>Tribes has leaked source
>incredible community
Tribes always and forever.

[Anonymous No.5663859]

>Get through obnoxiously difficult section
>Turns out it wasn't the right way to do it and it was difficult because you were dumb
>Next section is obnoxiously easy

[Anonymous No.5663920]

>>5660219
Lunar 2 did that.

[Anonymous No.5663923]

>>5663859
I somehow, on my first playthrough of Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, did the mechanical tower BACKWARDS.

[Anonymous No.5664219]

>pool of water is every bit as deadly as a pool of lava

[Anonymous No.5664230]

>>5641378
Limited lives in difficult levels.
Game can be great and suddenly an insanely difficult level appears, the skill curve turns into a cliff and you have limited attempts.

[Anonymous No.5664242]

>game changes its continue rule at the very end
FUCK Ninja Gaiden

[Anonymous No.5664267]

>>5650053
Use the fucking knife then, retard. Don’t be a crying noob. If you are good at the game, it rewards you with less backtracking. Any traversing back-and-forth to storage rooms is your own fault. RE is an adventure game with action elements. The slow pace comes from being spiritually closer to point-and-clicks than shooters.

[Anonymous No.5664287]

>>5650201
>backtracking with newer items/abilities to solve tasks that were previously unsolvable

Fuckin Ape Escape. Thank God for the infinite jump glitch. Still, it sucks to be teleported out of the level after ‘beating’ it the first time.

[Anonymous No.5664312]

>point n click adventure games
>some of the items are obviously separate objects against the background
>some of the points of interest are litearlly drawn in the background art and thus perfectly blended invisible among the items
>pixel hunting is no longer an option, you have to click literally EVERYTHING on the screen

Fucking Gabriel Knight.

[Anonymous No.5664518]

>>5664287
>Still, it sucks to be teleported out of the level after ‘beating’ it the first time.
reminds me of Mario64, only at least Ape Escape lets you get multiple apes in one trip

[Anonymous No.5665553]

>>5660756
>play full throttle instead
>door is locked
>expecting complicated puzzle to unlock it
>Ben just kicks the fucking door down

[Anonymous No.5665618]

>have to query NPCs with typed-in keywords in order to progress
>no suggestion of which NPC you need to talk to
>or what keyword you need to use

[Anonymous No.5666659]

>beat game
>but not really you have to play the entire thing again to get the real ending

[Anonymous No.5666714]

>>5663763
>ms pacman cabinet
>joystick not centered

fucking zoomer art

[Anonymous No.5666723]

>>5660689
>new items sort from the bottom up
The bag system can alleviate very small portions of this but the one thing FO Tactics did right was its sexier inventory screen.
I just wish half of it wasn't stuffed with broken or nonexistent descriptions and pistols I'll never fucking use

[Anonymous No.5666789]

>any 90's game with a password system because a 1$ save battery was just too fucking much

[Anonymous No.5666809]

>>5650053
>this guy uses healing items
>this guy uses weapon instead of knife

Scrub.