>finally get one of these >S-video and component look identical >doesn't even look as good as my 32-inch consumer Trinitron Are PVMs a meme or is RGB a meme?

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Anonymous Thu Jun 6 15:51:32 2019 No.5640549 [Reply] [Original]

>finally get one of these
>S-video and component look identical
>doesn't even look as good as my 32-inch consumer Trinitron
Are PVMs a meme or is RGB a meme?

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 15:54:55 2019 No.5640553

>>5640549
I have a 240p Samsung with component, and I don't notice any difference between S-video and Component on it either. There is differences, but they are so minute that they are missed when enjoying the system for what it is (a gaming device). Is RGB a meme? Yes and no. Many people would be happy with s-video & component, and wouldn't notice any difference with RGB. The quality of the tube is part of the equation, and a consumer tube with less abuse may be better than a professional PVM that has been on for nearly 2 decades straight.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 15:55:58 2019 No.5640557

>>5640549
If S-video and component look identical, you should probably buy better cables. The jump in quality from S-video to component isn't as big as the jump from composite to s-video is. So keep your expectations in check.

If it isn't looking as good as a consumer TV, you probably need to take some time to re-calibrate your monitor.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:06:59 2019 No.5640593

>>5640549
>>5640553
For the same device and resolution, RGB and component will always look identical unless something is configured improperly, it's that simple. S-video will look almost as good as either unless you pause and take comparison photos, and if more people knew just how close S-video actually looked, fewer people would spend extra on RGB mods.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:11:11 2019 No.5640605

>>5640593
>For the same device and resolution, RGB and component will always look identical unless something is configured improperly
One thing that I noticed with my wii to samsung TV was that Component is very crisp. I was shocked that the S-video was just as clear....After reading all the misinformation posted here, I expected s-video to look like a muddy mess compared to component. This was with generic wii s-video cables. I did eventually purchase OEM s-video, and I noticed no difference in quality between the generic ones and the "high quality" oem model.

S-video is a great option, and at times is the only native solution for the best possible output. N64 & NTSC PlayStation are great examples of this.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:43:19 2019 No.5640702

>>5640605
I just recently went through the N64 simple RGB mod and the improvement in quality is noticeable, but honestly kind of underwhelming. The only real difference is slightly brighter colors and better contrast.

There's nothing wrong with s-video, especially on a consumer CRT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:45:12 2019 No.5640707 >>5640557 This. Sounds like you've got knockoff cables that are just outputting composite over svid

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:48:10 2019 No.5640714
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>>5640707
>This. Sounds like you've got knockoff cables that are just outputting composite over svid
How do you explain the same observations when using OEM svideo and component video cables?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 16:52:04 2019 No.5640726 >>5640714 get glasses

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 17:09:09 2019 No.5640760 >>5640726 >get glasses I have 20/14 vision. I was checked a few months ago. I don't need them, as I have better vision than what glasses will give someone with poor vision.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 17:14:07 2019 No.5640769 >>5640760 That was an IQ test. The results are given as IQ/age.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 17:15:41 2019 No.5640773 >>5640769 Your response only shows how little wit and intelligence you harness. Summer posters never change.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 17:33:29 2019 No.5640823 >>5640549 >Are PVMs a meme or is RGB a meme? PVM's yes. RGB is legit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 18:17:54 2019 No.5640935 >>5640773 >projecting. projecting

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:05:25 2019 No.5641018

>>5640549
>Are PVMs a meme
Yes they are, lucky for me I only paid 50 bucks for my 20 inch monitor (I hope you didn't overpay) and while I'm enjoying it quite a lot I feel I would have been just as happy with a slightly bigger consumer set.
Not to mention I don't like how the monitors look like. Or I just don't know how to make an aesthetic battlestation.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:43:15 2019 No.5641070

Meme at current prices, but not a meme if you can find one cheaply with low hours, since the build quality is obviously better than a consumer set, so the PVM will likely outlast a consumer set. You also have more control over image geometry and the like compared to most consumer tvs in service mode.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:55:48 2019 No.5641087

>>5640549
Why didn't you listen to me you idiot? I've been saying this in the /crt/ thread for ages. PVM are not for playing games, it's the same as an antique collector who is interested in antique radios having a collection.

If you want to play games get a fucking LARGE CONSUMER SET with the connections you want.

I'm at the point I'm ready to start shilling these monitors so I can laugh at others dumb enough to buy them for gaming. They are great for watching 4:3 content and old school anime, but that's the extent of their usefulness.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:55:54 2019 No.5641089

>>5641018
>Not to mention I don't like how the monitors look like. Or I just don't know how to make an aesthetic battlestation.
To be fair, there’s exactly 6 PVM chassis that don’t look like they were ripped straight out of a colonoscopy cart or CCTV room, so I can’t really fault you there.

You’d probably have a decent chance at making an aesthetic setup with a 1390, a 1271Q, or one of the XBR Pros, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:57:50 2019 No.5641091 >>5640702 N64 is literally the least impressive RGB mod you could do. It's internal filters and blur coupled with low res 3D make it not worth the effort.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 19:59:51 2019 No.5641094 >>5640549 Try adjusting chroma a bit. I've always found component to look a bit washed out and needing fine tuning when using it on a PVM S-Video does look really good on PVMs though and I couldn't blame someone for sticking with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:05:48 2019 No.5641103 I notice that s-vid and component don't have perfect blacks, but RGB does I really enjoy the color accuracy of these professional pieces of equipment

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:06:17 2019 No.5641106 >>5641087 Not that I’d recommend them as the end-all with their current prices, but 2530s, 2950Qs, and 3230s are PVMs that hold up respectably sizewise against consumer sets and they’re noticeably crisper in appearance.

Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:08:09 2019 No.5641108

>>5641089
>You’d probably have a decent chance at making an aesthetic setup with a 1390, a 1271Q, or one of the XBR Pros, though.

Eh, no way I'm gonna luck out on another PVM, much less on a good looking one.
I'll just give mine a coat of black paint one day and frame it between 2 large speakers and call it a day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:10:12 2019 No.5641113 >>5641108 White is aesthetic tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:12:44 2019 No.5641118 >>5640935 >I have no response, so I will make animal noises. You have nothing. It is ok. I deal with intellectual midgets like yourself regularly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:13:22 2019 No.5641119 >>5641113 Also a good idea. What I'm gonna have problem covering tho is a few deep scratches on the plastic bezel surrounding the screen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:29:41 2019 No.5641156 >>5640549 Retro gaming is a meme retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 20:46:06 2019 No.5641184 >>5641103 >I notice that s-vid and component don't have perfect blacks, but RGB does That's wrong behavior with no explanation based on the way either Y/C or YPbPr encoding works compared to RGB, some config in your setup probably needs adjustment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 21:40:00 2019 No.5641290 Aside from rainbow artifacts in some circumstances, s-video is pretty close to RGB. It's just there are consoles that lack s-video output but do output RGB so if you have those too it's simpler to just go RGB on everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 22:48:21 2019 No.5641395 >>5641118 >you nailed it, so I say animal noises.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 6 23:04:10 2019 No.5641425 >>5640549 RGB is the grail worn out PVM is the meme

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 7 07:18:29 2019 No.5642072 >>5641395 >Canadian poster detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 7 08:38:44 2019 No.5642147 >>5640549 PVMs are

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 7 10:11:28 2019 No.5642246 colors are clearly better in RGB/Component vs S-video. S-video is still dank though. You probably can't notice it due to slight color blindness (affects more people than you may think) or bad calibration. .

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 7 16:34:43 2019 No.5643130 >>5642072 >retarded poster detected

Anonymous Sat Jun 8 09:26:40 2019 No.5644920
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I'm european and use RGB scart, but always thought it was dumb how obessed muricans are with it when they have s-video which is pretty good as well.
PVMs are a retarded meme. They look too sharp for their own good. A good consumer CRT just looks right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 09:51:23 2019 No.5644982 >>5640549 PVMs aren't a meme. Paying $500+ for one is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 14:37:17 2019 No.5645548 >>5644982 I would pay $500 for a good working BVM 20" or greater, they are not available here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 14:39:31 2019 No.5645553 >>5644920 S-video is great, has a nice, warm image without sacrificing detail. I use that on my SNES and Saturn. I have an RGB connection on my Genesis though, because that thing doesn't output S-video.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 14:52:12 2019 No.5645582 >>5644920 S-video isn't bad, but it's still noticeably flawed. For the longest time I thought old consoles were just doomed to have crummy analog output, it was a big realization to learn that it is possible to get pixel perfect video.

Anonymous Sat Jun 8 15:10:10 2019 No.5645621

I have a OEV203 and a BVM1911, both have very good pictures. Not a meme at all. Better than any consumer TV I've seen. I also have a Megaview 29 and its ok, being RGB it doesn't have any of the composite artifacts, but the tube is meh. Compared to my NEC XM37+, now that is huge and the picture is even better than the OEV203. Colors are very vibrant and thick scanlines if you like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 17:23:27 2019 No.5645920 when literally half the posters are unironically telling you its a huge meme, that should tell you something

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 22:35:32 2019 No.5646472 >>5645920 That nu-/v/ is full of underage summerfags?

Anonymous Sat Jun 8 22:43:31 2019 No.5646489

>>5645548
You should. More and more are disappearing at recycling centers, or seeing overuse by redditors daisy-chaining multiple monitors together for upvotes. And in the end they're worth whatever you're willing to pay. $500 for 10k+ hours of gaming isn't bad at all and people spend a lot more on modern setups.

Anonymous Sat Jun 8 22:51:47 2019 No.5646504

>>5645920
Just like half the posters shit on mainstream games, certain genres, OG hardware, etc. There are a lot of opinions that just boil down to "that's overrated, that's too sharp, there's no gameplay, why pay for games?" I.e. people can't grasp the concept of others enjoying something they don't, therefore everyone else must have shit taste.

Anonymous Sat Jun 8 23:16:18 2019 No.5646542

>>5640549

PVM's and RGB are meme's at this point. just about any set sold after 2000 is going to look just as good.

RGB uses dumb eurotrash connectors and still needs to hook up through a lag-meister to show on a modern display. For what it all cost you might as well just get an FPGA system that does native HDMI out, or do the digital video mod for it. It'll look just as good but won't have extra lag introduced because you have to feed it through an expensive japanese box to convert everything over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 8 23:22:57 2019 No.5646548 >>5646472 >>5646504 >coping

Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:02:20 2019 No.5646607

>>5645548
>>5646489
In my experience, those sorts of prices are typically only found from eBay sellers who end up trashing their monitors with poor shipping anyway. But if somebody is willing to pay that much for a genuinely great monitor from a reputable seller, I don't have any issue with how they're spending their money.

Regardless, I still firmly believe that the market isn't quite as dried up as people are saying it is, and would only consider paying that much for something obscenely rare. I think the difficulty of shipping CRTs is why you can still find RGB monitors for low prices in certain places. There's plenty of resellers based in LA/NY, but I saw a variety of Ikegami and Sony monitors at an auction go unbid at $5 because they were in Middle-of-Nowhere, MO. It's been said many times, but this really is a hobby whether you'll either spend lots of your time or lots of your money.

>>5645621
>but the tube is meh
I recently got a Megaview 29, and haven't had the chance to test it at all, but I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind this. Does it have particular differences in geometry and/or color from Trinitron tubes, or is it just because it's not an AG?

Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:10:17 2019 No.5646616

>>5646607
>but I saw a variety of Ikegami and Sony monitors at an auction go unbid at $5 because they were in Middle-of-Nowhere, MO
Was this on eBay or some other auction site? I'm semi-rural and would like a decent monitor at some point in the next year or 2.

Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:16:13 2019 No.5646621

>>5646616
You'll typically find RGB CRTs in AV/medical auctions, and these occur on specific auction websites that typically only operate in certain regions. I'd recommend searching "audio video auctions" or something along those lines to find one for your area.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:19:17 2019 No.5646626 Whats the point of hyping PVMs into memedom forcyears and still not using scart RGB cables Dumb amerifats i swear

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:32:10 2019 No.5646643 >>5640549 You need to pay $2000 for one. PVMs are the pinnacle of gaming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 00:41:10 2019 No.5646652 >>5646621 Thanks Anon I'll keep that in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 01:45:40 2019 No.5646735 >>5646548 cringing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 02:31:38 2019 No.5646782 >>5646607 Colors look a little bland. Image not as sharp as the NEC (via RGB on both). Geometry is ok.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 02:32:44 2019 No.5646783 >>5646542 All those HD crts have input lag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 03:26:26 2019 No.5646831 It's almost like we have a CRT general thread just for these sorts of questions and posts. We don't need multiple threads about monitors, TV's, LCD monitors, upscalers, and all the other video related shit. One general is plenty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 03:34:42 2019 No.5646847 >>5646831 I bet you didn't have many friends as a kid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 9 04:40:53 2019 No.5646949 >>5646847 cringe

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